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there’s a chance some smaller schoolie stripers will still be in the river. Shad will most likely be gone, but the smallmouth action should be fantastic. Oh yeah, when Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) … Is she the one who is in the last Sage catalog ?

Haven’t seen the latest Sage catalog but I can guarantee that’s not her.

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Fishing out of Fletchers Sunday and Monday: lots of BIG hickory shad, caught on the outgoing tide-using Teeny 250 or 300 lines, 6′ hunk of 12lb test Maxima for a leader ( God bless Maxima but I hate those fucking archaic spools theyl put the stuff on ) casting slightly upstream and usually getting a hit on the start of the swing. Flies on the small side-size 6 to 8 clousers with short tails-white with gold flash and chartruese with gold flash . I was getting alot of misses till I chopped off the tails to within about 3/8" of the hook bend , after that it was Heaven.Last cast of the day Monday I hooked an American shad, about 3 or 4 times the size and heft of the hickories. Last couple years the Americans were running about as big as that species can get, up to 30"s. This one took me into my backing about 50-75′. It took a long damn time to wind all that line in after it threw the hook that’s for sure. The Americans should be starting to come on strong now, the water’s warming up and clearing. They like the stretch of water just up from Fletchers dock area, on a rising tide and then right up till slack tide. They come there to spawn. Most of the hickory action’s been on the falling tides. The female stripers are running up to 40lbs. and the cut herring/bottom fishing guys have been hauling in a bunch. I keep trying for them but all I do is lose expensive flies in the rocks. Would it be that terrible to soak a fly or two in a bucket of herring chum and then run my leader through a slip sinker and just sorta drop it over the side of the boat while I eat lunch or something ? I’ll have to sleep on that. Anyway the male stripers are expected by the end of the week and they’ll be possible to catch using ethical methods The river should be low enough for safe wading by the end of the week too if the levels keep dropping at a steady clip. Oh yeah, when my Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) told us everyone coming off the river was pissed at us because we two flyrodders were taking shad right and left all day and they, the spinning guys were only hitting them off and on and "they said you two bastards must be doing something illegal ". Even allowing for "Dock Ladys" habit of slight exageration it still was good to hear. It’s usually the other way around. cheers, Bob nursing a painfully pleasant case of "shad elbow"

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Hello East Coasters, We are catching Stripers in the Sacramento, Feather and American Rivers now too as our big spring spawning run has started (April/May/June). This is south(downstream) and north(upstream) of Sacramento. The main runs will go all the way upstream (north) to Colusa and above on the Sacramento River. We fish them wading and from boats. Some of our friends caught some Stripers on flies yesterday and today. The American Shad are just behind the Stripers and will be thick in a few weeks. PS: Thanks for bringing those Stripers and Shad over here to the west coast in 1877. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, California, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fishing out of Fletchers Sunday and Monday: lots of BIG hickory shad, caught on the outgoing tide-using Teeny 250 or 300 lines, 6′ hunk of 12lb test Maxima for a leader ( God bless Maxima but I hate those fucking archaic spools theyl put the stuff on ) casting slightly upstream and usually getting a hit on the start of the swing. Flies on the small side-size 6 to 8 clousers with short tails-white with gold flash and chartruese with gold flash . I was getting alot of misses till I chopped off the tails to within about 3/8" of the hook bend , after that it was Heaven.Last cast of the day Monday I hooked an American shad, about 3 or 4 times the size and heft of the hickories. Last couple years the Americans were running about as big as that species can get, up to 30"s. This one took me into my backing about 50-75′. It took a long damn time to wind all that line in after it threw the hook that’s for sure. The Americans should be starting to come on strong now, the water’s warming up and clearing. They like the stretch of water just up from Fletchers dock area, on a rising tide and then right up till slack tide. They come there to spawn. Most of the hickory action’s been on the falling tides. The female stripers are running up to 40lbs. and the cut herring/bottom fishing guys have been hauling in a bunch. I keep trying for them but all I do is lose expensive flies in the rocks. Would it be that terrible to soak a fly or two in a bucket of herring chum and then run my leader through a slip sinker and just sorta drop it over the side of the boat while I eat lunch or something ? I’ll have to sleep on that. Anyway the male stripers are expected by the end of the week and they’ll be possible to catch using ethical methods The river should be low enough for safe wading by the end of the week too if the levels keep dropping at a steady clip. Oh yeah, when my Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) told us everyone coming off the river was pissed at us because we two flyrodders were taking shad right and left all day and they, the spinning guys were only hitting them off and on and "they said you two bastards must be doing something illegal ". Even allowing for "Dock Ladys" habit of slight exageration it still was good to hear. It’s usually the other way around. cheers, Bob nursing a painfully pleasant case of "shad elbow"

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Got up. Cleaned the travel trailer. Hung a picture…in my trailer. 1st decoration in my trailer. It’s a caricature of a flyfishing guy and a little story about how the whole purpose of flyfishing is to spend money. It looks good. Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

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Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

The picture or the trailer? Op

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Got up. It’s a caricature of a flyfishing guy and a little story about how the whole purpose of flyfishing is to spend money. It looks good. Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

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picture? trailer?

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Thanks Mike….. -walt At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold,

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

The best part is: we knew you were coming so we cleaned up the place! /daytripper (Welcome home, Mike.)

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Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

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Thanks Mike and hopefully welcome back.

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Thanks, Mike. Tom At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red…….

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns.

Hooray.   Let me be the first (okay, second) to say welcome back. Joe F.

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Truly wonderful and long missed prose snipped. Welcome back Mike.  The wandering bard has again alighted in our village.  Lets hope his stay is as dear to him as his wisdom is to us.       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Thanks Mike, and welcome back! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!!  I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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Mike, When some leave the group we’re happy, When you left we all felt real crappy, But now you’re back, The election was whack, and… ahh, crap, my limericks suck. welcome back.  we missed you. bruce h Before you buy.

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Welcome back to ROFF. Paul

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<snipped Welcome back Mike.  Your contributions are most welcomed and enjoyed. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Oh dear, and after wading through severaI thousand posts, I thought somebody had come up with a new method of learning to cast, which was apparently developed in Florida. It was always difficult timing the punch when casting TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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http://www.mikeconnor.de Hope you enjoy it. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint)

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<with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

Before you buy.

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It’s not broken. It must be flaky because it worked for half of them. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I should have been working on my spelling I was tying leaders We know, Paul. Your "c" key is broken. Happens to everyone eventually. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw,    I hate moss on my leader also, that is one of the reasons I use a Leader Link instead of a loop to attach the leader to the line.  The Blood Knot Machine ties tight knots and the ends can be clipped very close which eliminates most moss catching.  The moss that does cling comes off each time you cast. Ernie "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t like hand-tied leader with lots of knots. The knots snag on weeds and other debris. Sorry, Ernie.

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When I should have been working on my spelling I was tying leaders

We know, Paul. Your "c" key is broken. Happens to everyone eventually. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I don’t like hand-tied leader with lots of knots. The knots snag on weeds and other debris. Sorry, Ernie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I tie all my own leaders and the only advice I can give you is pratice, pratice, pratice.

LOL! You go, Paul ;^) /daytripper (I blame myself for never making you spell things correctly…)

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When I should have been working on my spelling I was tying leaders

I tie all my own leaders and the only advice I can give you is pratice, pratice, pratice. LOL! You go, Paul ;^) /daytripper (I blame myself for never making you spell things

correctly…)

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B. Watkins See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 click on Leader Logic Ernie

Ernie How do you pull the bloodknots tight?  I always seem to end up overheating and pinching the leader no matter how much lube (spit) or how gently I pull.  Must be doing something wrong. Peter

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I tie all my own leaders and the only advice I can give you is pratice, pratice, pratice. I tie them by hand (ie. no tools other than nippers to trim the tags) and I allow 2" of line for the knot and tag and I end up +/- 1/4" for segment length. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constructed a hand-made leader, following the guidelines in the Orvis Fly-Fishing Book.  I tied the knots as instructed.  It was quite clunky. Do many of you out there construct your own leaders?  Any tips for a smoother hand-constructed leader and tippet would be appreciated.

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What do you mean by clunky?  Did you try to fish with it?  What knots do they use in that book and how many turns? I constructed a hand-made leader, following the guidelines in the Orvis Fly-Fishing Book.  I tied the knots as instructed.  It was quite clunky. Do many of you out there construct your own leaders?  Any tips for a smoother hand-constructed leader and tippet would be appreciated.

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I constructed a hand-made leader, following the guidelines in the Orvis Fly-Fishing Book.  I tied the knots as instructed.  It was quite clunky. Do many of you out there construct your own leaders?  Any tips for a smoother hand-constructed leader and tippet would be appreciated.

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B. Watkins See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 click on Leader Logic Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constructed a hand-made leader, following the guidelines in the Orvis Fly-Fishing Book.  I tied the knots as instructed.  It was quite clunky. Do many of you out there construct your own leaders?  Any tips for a smoother hand-constructed leader and tippet would be appreciated.

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey?

Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Hollow points tend not to pass through and kill an innocent bystander. Especially if you are using subsonic rounds. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But necessary or overkill?

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You have no idea how impressive a size 6/0 pikestreamer can be when adequately stripped.. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <ad infinitum Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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It was not malicious.  I must admit that I prefer to know the correct names of the people with whom I am communicating, and see no particularly good reasons for aliases here normally .  But it is like many things, purely a matter of personal choice. I never for a moment thought it was malicious.  As for the name..I’ve been using it for about 7 years now and use it for everything online. Just what I started with  so it’s a habit.

Using an alias online is an excellent idea that I recommend to everyone. I’m speaking from a truly harrowing personal experience that I’ve related in this newsgroup. I don’t mind most people knowing my real name, which is Stephen Barnard, but I don’t want it continually plastered all over Usenet. So I compromise. I use an alias, but I reveal my name occasionally so at least the regulars know whom they’re talking to. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mike Connor  AKA Upstream Spider

How do we know that your name is really Mike Connor? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers. Thanks Kiyu

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My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) Kiyu

You’re right, it isn’t.  That should be Fisherman / streams = fishermen per stream Kevin  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill? My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers.

The situation is actually somewhat more complicated than what you describe.  In nearly fifty years on this planet I have met thousands of divorced persons, male and female.  Surprisingly, and in apparent defiance of immutable natural laws, in each case I have met the aggrieved party; NEVER the asshole.  The same sort of peculiarity marks my contacts with fishermen.  I never meet (in a social setting) the ill bred yuppie prick or the inbred bubba dipshit; only the well mannered and considerate gentlemen.  Anyone who doubts the possibility of something like this occurring need only read these pages for a few weeks.  All any of us asks is that we be allowed unlimited time in our favorite fishing spots unencumbered by the presence of any other human being within 12,000 miles or so.  What could be more reasonable and selfless?  Now, since we are ALL entirely void of the deplorable characteristics displayed by the lummoxen of whom we complain, it stands to reason that fishing assholes, like divorced assholes, are the residents of a parallel universe who somehow manage to cross over at odd intervals just to wreak havoc on our own blameless lives.  And since we have no reason to believe that the laws of nature behave differently in parallel universes it follows that simply shooting the bastards will never solve the problem because there are in all likelihood just as many of them as there are of us and from what I here they breed like rats anyway.  As well attack the tides with wooden lance! Wolfgang Oh WHY can’t everyone just be more like me?!

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snip one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper.

I wouldn’t sell your stock in Sage just yet. I haven’t tossed a line with an RPL+ but from what I have read here they are nice rods and it is good to switch back and forth from time to time to appreciate what each rod can do for your fishing as your fishing & casting style will change over time. On another note and to revisit the GD I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.

As our streams become more crowded we will encounter and endure more "self consumed jerks" ….. and beginners who get mistaken for them. Sure streamside courtesy needs to be understood by all but I would doubt that hostile displays do much more than make the other angler think the messenger is a jerk.<G Beginners are usually (if they attended a class) taught in flocks and their early streamside habits often reflect this. Time & observation usually cures their crowding tendencies. A lot of seemingly inconsiderate behavior by experienced fishermen is because different streams develop their own codes of behavior and this gets carried over from stream to stream. I can almost guarantee that someone who regularly fishes a no-holds-barred, fight-for-your-space stream will seem to be a real jerk on a stream that has plenty of angling space and a different stream culture until he gets in sync with his surroundings. I have been on both ends of this. Most people don’t want to interfere with another’s fishing. If I feel someone has encroached upon what I deem to be my fishing space and I want to make a statement about it I quickly reel in without a word & leave for another spot. It is an obvious gesture, is very clear and often gets an apology (unless the person actually is a jerk in which case he will probably not understand any gesture except the single fingered one – and that could get dangerous for all parites). As well, I have sought out anglers to apologize to who have responded similarly to my own chowderheaded but inadvertent encroachments. Works for me – may not work for you. Kiyu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

sharing at all.  One doesn’t share reverie or tranquility.  It is a selfish thing we all need.  Some people need to  get away from even looking or seeing another human being.  Fly fishing is one place where that is possible.  Disturbing a man’s reverie is about the biggest sin anyone can do to another fly fisherman.  Reverie is so precious to some that to disturb it is to replace it with rage, which is reverie’s opposite.   Normally, there are other humans about fishing but it then comes down to a zone of several hundred yards or just a hundred yards but no less than that. It can mean, don’t dog my trail and don’t follow me around. Fly fishing is more a state of mind as anything else.  It doesnot need to be catching anything at all.  It can just be a place not to be shared or seen by others.  It can be just the knowledge that someone walks well around and away who is smart enough not to even say "hello."  One doesn’t go fly fishing to hear ‘hello’ from others, believe it or not.  All this sounds cruel, but ’some individuals’ need a piece of heaven on earth that is undisturbed.  This is a feature in the outdoors that is becoming rarer as each year goes by. As Mel Levin said one time, "Don’t say hello to that guy!  Before you know it, you’ll be exchanging flies, business cards and when you get home you will either get a telephone call or a love letter!  NEVER, say hello astream!" Finally, there is that burning question we all get, or at least the ones that are catching trout.  Suddenly!  From behind comes this rude invasion of privacy.  "What fly are you using?" I always answer, "The one found in "Matching the Hatch!"  Why do you ask? — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote…  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns.

Ok, I’m relatively new to the sport of fly fishing. I mean, I’ve fished about 100 days in the last year, but almost always by myself on a private pond. So although I try to be a good sport and show etiquette, I can envision that somebody might infringe on someone else out of naivete rather than ill-will. I hope that if I were to–out of a lack of knowledge–infringe on what someone else considered to be their fishing "space" that the other party would be willing correct me politely and only shoot if I did it a second time. I’m assuming as well that we’re talking about infringement by strangers and not necessarily situations where you’re fishing with someone you know, right? –Steve (so call me an idiot, at least I’m trying to learn)

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Last year, I was fishing Mt. Vernon creek, a small popular spot not too far from Madison, WI. My buddy and I were treated to a streamside invective (a litany, really) directed by a fellow fisherman at the injustice of having arrived to find the stream full of other fisherman when he had been fishing that water for 20 years. Didn’t get a lot of sympathy from me, as I’ve been fishing it a good 5 years longer. But I *could* understand the frustration he must have felt as he watched the crowds grow over the years. For ourselves, we had already begun to leave work early in order to beat others to the stream. I suspect this guy has learned the same trick, or begun driving further. I wonder if some of the increased inconsiderate behavior we’ve had to bear over the years resulted from bad tempers caused by other, usually thoughtful people who had experienced boorishness just one too many times, and lost their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Set out this morning in a fine, misty rain eager to fish a new 2 wt. I picked up yesterday afternoon (Orvis, Silver Label 792) to determine if it was a keeper or not.  Suffice is to say, I love the new rod.  I had used a Sage RPL+ in the past and didn’t like it at all…..it was very fast, felt like a darn pool cue.  After 15 minutes or so getting used to casting the full flex action rod it was turning over a size 18 furry black ant beautifully, laying it down on the water as though it had fallen from an overhanging tree limb (actually did manage to snag a tree).  Unfortunately, the weather took a turn for the worse and the light mist turned into a steady rain within the hour.  During that time I managed only one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper. On another note and to revisit the GD Ahole thread…….I had been on the stream for about 30 minutes and was working my way upstream when this jerk comes tromping into the water about 20 yards upstream from me and begins dead drifting some sort of wet fly downstream in my direction all the while chatting with his buddy who was sitting up on the bank, obviously perturbed that I had the nerve to get there before them!  Good thing I didn’t have a gun, I may have just been pissed enough to use it . Anyway, I fished (more like just spent the time false casting the new 2 wt as close to him as I could) a little while longer and since the weather wasn’t great I just tromped and splashed as loudly and clumsily as I could upstream, right past him  and exited about 30 yards past the two interlopers. I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.  My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.  When I was leaving I noticed their truck had out of state tags…I guess they figured since they traveled to get there they weren’t going to let anything stop them from wetting a line. Natty

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My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.

Well that’s probably because your son has a better father than those 2 guys. Don’t get angry with them – feel sorry for them. Regards, Jeff

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Two wrongs don

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I really don’t like tying much but find it to be the price I pay for pursuing my passion.  I really enjoy fishing beadhead patterns and they are really easy to tie except for one thing…. getting the blankety, blanking bead around the bend in the hook.  I am trying to use too small a bead or is there a secret I am missing out on.  For example I use a 1/8th inch tungsten bead for a size 14 for hook and I pinch the barb before I put the bead on.  Once I get them on, they are easy to secure in place and I like the size of the pattern. Going crazy at the tying bench Mike

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Going crazy at the tying bench

Put the point of the hook in the small side of the hole in the bead and it will turn around the bend easier. — Charlie…

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Put the point of the hook in the small side of the hole in the bead and it will turn around the bend easier.

Yeah…for sure…but some bead diameters will simply not make the bend easily either. Ya gotta just find a combination of bead sizes/hook sizes/bends that works out for ya… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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Ya gotta just find a combination of bead sizes/hook sizes/bends that works out for ya…

Which should include a 1/8" bead on a #14 hook… — Charlie…

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I really don’t like tying much but find it to be the price I pay for pursuing my passion.  I really enjoy fishing beadhead patterns and they are really easy to tie except for one thing…. getting the blankety, blanking bead around the bend in the hook.  I am trying to use too small a bead or is there a secret I am missing out on.  For example I use a 1/8th inch tungsten bead for a size 14 for hook and I pinch the barb before I put the bead on.  Once I get them on, they are easy to secure in place and I like the size of the pattern. Going crazy at the tying bench Mike

Some thoughts. Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. If they almost make it but don’t quite, don’t be afraid to bend the hook slightly.  I put my bead heads on by clamping the shank of the hook in the jaws of my vise with the hook point up then slipping the bead on.  If the bead won’t get past barb, I’ll tap it past by slipping a half-hitch tool over the point and on to the bead, then tapping the other end of the tool to force it past the barb.  If I can get it past the barb but not the bend, I slip the bead on then clamp the point in the vise and pull back slightly on the shank.  Usually the bead then slips around the bend easily and if you don’t pull too hard on the shank, the hook returns to it’s normal shape.  I normally do 10 or 20 at a time before I begin to tie.   To make matters easier, I have an old Integra vise (a Regal knock-off) that clamps and releases with a squeeze of a lever.  Very quick and easy for this sort of thing.  It would be more of a fiddle on the Renzetti. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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<< Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. I am using a Mustad 39068 hook and I also have the 9271.  I have been bending the hook a bit to get it around the corner but figured that maybe I was going too small on the bead.   Thanks for all the information guys. Mike Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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Peter: Thanks for making something easy for the newbies. It is funny how great minds come to the same conclusions…I would hate to admit how many years of frustration it took for my feeble mind to figure all that out. Big Dale

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I use a Tiemco 3761 or 3763 and have no problems whatsoever in getting the bead around the bend. Btw – I have the same Integra, great vise for the money! Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some thoughts. Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. If they almost make it but don’t quite, don’t be afraid to bend the hook slightly.  I put my bead heads on by clamping the shank of the hook in the jaws of my vise with the hook point up then slipping the bead on.  If the bead won’t get past barb, I’ll tap it past by slipping a half-hitch tool over the point and on to the bead, then tapping the other end of the tool to force it past the barb.  If I can get it past the barb but not the bend, I slip the bead on then clamp the point in the vise and pull back slightly on the shank.  Usually the bead then slips around the bend easily and if you don’t pull too hard on the shank, the hook returns to it’s normal shape.  I normally do 10 or 20 at a time before I begin to tie. To make matters easier, I have an old Integra vise (a Regal knock-off) that clamps and releases with a squeeze of a lever.  Very quick and easy for this sort of thing.  It would be more of a fiddle on the Renzetti. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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<< Hook type:  Mustad 3906 or 9271 work better than the Tiemco R series or some of the Diaichis as they don’t have a "corner" in the gape. I am using a Mustad 39068 hook and I also have the 9271.  I have been bending the hook a bit to get it around the corner but figured that maybe I was going too small on the bead.   Thanks for all the information guys. Mike Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

BTW, forgot to mention that since dry fly hooks are smaller gauge, slipping on a bead is easier.  Since you’re using a bead, there’s less need for the heavy wire of a 3906B. Peter

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I use a Tiemco 3761 or 3763 and have no problems whatsoever in getting the bead around the bend. Btw – I have the same Integra, great vise for the money! Herman

Ya, it’s the R series that are the pain.  (I’ll never get rid of the Integra despite the worn jaws.) Peter

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Make sure you use beads with the hole countersunk on one side.  You can go mad trying to get beads onto hooks which do not have this countersinking. Use round bend hooks. If necessary bend the hook slightly to facilitate placing the beads. Put the point of the hook in the hole on the small side. If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Another interesting tactic is to use the bead, or split shot, as the thorax of the nymph.  You might want to dub around it a bit or wrap leg hackle, but otherwise just pull the wing case over the bead or shot.  The nymph is proportioned better and weighted the same, yet looks more natural. Regards, Jeff

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Another interesting tactic is to use the bead, or split shot, as the thorax of the nymph.  You might want to dub around it a bit or wrap leg hackle, but otherwise just pull the wing case over the bead

This is the method I use for Mayfly and Stonefly nymphs, and I have been pleased with the results. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Thanks for the great Idea Mike! I have been using the tungsten beads and whenever I lose one I feel like crying!!! This will be one idea that I will try out this spring and summer for sure. The cost of some of the bead heads is unreal, and when I want to get down fast this should be able to rid some of the excess weight I have on the line. ,many thanks from a newbie Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Make sure you use beads with the hole countersunk on one side.  You can go mad trying to get beads onto hooks which do not have this countersinking. Use round bend hooks. If necessary bend the hook slightly to facilitate placing the beads. Put the point of the hook in the hole on the small side. If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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If you don’t need the weight, try using glass beads that you can get from a craft store.  I use a clear glass bead to simulate an air bubble under the shell.  I use this mainly in a variation of a Prince Nymph that I tie with a crimson trailing shuck.  Works pretty well in the float tube. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you just wish to use the beads as weight, and for no other reason, use split shot. Clamp these on the hook using a pair of pliers. Do about ten or twelve like this, then mix up a little epoxy and put a tiny drop over the shot. If you want paint them gold or silver when dry. The coloured nail varnish available is good for this. Try bright red and green etc, as well, you might be pleasantly surprised. These things are indestructible, you can use practically any size bead, and they are a lot cheaper than buying the drilled beads, a good thing, as one tends to lose quite a few such weighted flies on various hang-ups. TL MC

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We have set up a free site where flyfishermen can find other flyfishermen who have services to offer (Financial Planners, Business Consultants, Landscapers, etc.). We also offer links to sites we like as well as reviews of products or destinations we enjoy. Fly Shops can list free if they offer discounts to our viewers. We will accept products or invitations to destinations but will only offer reviews if we like them. Stop by and take a look. http://www.outofchaos.com/flyfishing.html Tight Lines, Dave Fischbach Charlie Levin

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Where is the best place on the net to get fishing magazine subscriptions?

Try: http://nbaf.com/USsubscriptions.html They cover most topics and have all the popular stuff. Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Any help would be gratefully received. Neil Grose Tasmania Australia

Hi Neil Day before yesterday I was in the International Fly Fishing Center in Livingston looking at the rod display and observed a green heart rod with a split bamboo tip. I should have paid more attention when reading the information on the rod but I thing this practice was fairly common. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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writes: A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Any help would be gratefully received. Neil Grose

Hi Neil, Before Hiram Leonard popularized the 6-strip split cane rod in the 1870’s, almost all of the "bamboo" rods were combinations of a split cane tip with the rest of the rod made from hardwoods such as greenheart, lancewood, monkeywood,etc.  Originally these tips were 3 strip tip sections, then 4, and finally 6 strip pieces.  Although the tips were made out of strips, the edges were rounded off to make it blend in with the rest of the rod. These tips were also made out of Calcutta cane as Tonkin cane was not introduced for rod building until about the turn of the century.  It was not until the 6 strip entire cane rod was popularized that the builders stopped rounding off the edges leaving the hexagonal shape that we are now so familiar with.   If the tip section of your rod has rounded edges or is made from only 3 or 4 strips you may have a much older rod in your possession.                                Hope this helps,                                       Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Day before yesterday I was in the International Fly Fishing Center in Livingston looking at the rod display and observed a green heart rod with a split bamboo tip. I should have paid more attention when reading the information on the rod but I thing this practice was fairly common.

This was pretty standard design, greenheart doesn’t behave well in very thin sections whilst well built cane does.  Another common variation was whole cane bottom/built cane top – especially in spinning and worming tackle, bait fishers often used Whole Tonkin cane/Built cane/Whole Spanish reed combinations. Modern composites are not immune from this sort of thing, I still have a rod with glassfibre butt and carbon fibre top. I haven’t used it for a few years, must dig it out sometime and give it a try. As long as the cane is kept well varnished, you inspect it frequently and avoid overloading it, the rod should be good for another 50 years.  Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? —

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? Derek Moody

How about a horse hair line ? Ernie Harrison

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? Derek Moody How about a horse hair line ? Ernie Harrison

nope, neither. An old buggered cortland D/T #5 is what he casts on it.

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Can anyone give me some information or hints about fishing for N. Pike in Sweden ? I’ve heard about pike fishing in the Baltic sea, but can’t find any information about it… Gertjan Gertjan Doedens The Netherlands

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Can anyone give me some information or hints about fishing for N. Pike in Sweden ? I’ve heard about pike fishing in the Baltic sea, but can’t find any information about it… Gertjan

Try some of these sites for more info, but I know most of the pike fishing in the Baltic is lure fishing from boats with very little bait fishing.  If you need anymore help, e mail me direct as I have a few articles in mags here that cover the pike fishing in the Baltic. <UL <LI<A HREF="http://www.algonet.se/~henrik_b/"Baltic Sea Sportfishing</A <LI <A HREF="http://www.pi.se/magnus.ugander/fb_home.html"Specimen Group – Fina Biten Homepage</A <LI <A HREF="http://www.bahnhof.se/~jrpstrom/index.html"The Specimen Group – Team Cisco</A <LI <A HREF="http://hem1.passagen.se/birger1/index.html"Sportfiskeguiden</A <A HREF="http://www.capricorn.se/" Capricorn Fly-Fishing. </A <LI <A HREF="http://www.pi.se/magnus.ugander/carphome.html" Carp Invaders Homepage. </A <LI <A HREF="http://www.algonet.se/~fishhole/fishhole.htm" The Fishing Hole. </A <LI <A HREF="http://www.ts.umu.se/~widmark/lwfishxl.html" LW’s Fishing Site. </A <LI <A HREF="http://www.pi.se/magnus.ugander/mu_home.htm" Magnus Ugander Specimen Fishing Page. </A <LI <A HREF="http://pew.psy.gu.se/~psymarer/salmon.html?" Martin G. Erikson’s Homepage. </A </UL <P — Davy Holt Surfing from Clydebank,        *"O Sir, doubht not that angling is Scotland.                      * an art… The question is rather The Scottish Angling Homepage  * whether you are capable of http://www.dholt.demon.co.uk/  * learning  it?"     Izaack Walton  

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Mass. non-resident (7-day) is $16.50 Very close to Chelmsford pan-fish and some bass can be found on the Sudbury and Concord rivers. There is also some ocean blue-fishing done with salt fly rods but I know little about this. Regarding trout, nearest to Chelmsford is the Nissitissit River, fly-fishing only C&R. A bit further afield are the Cape ponds.  About an hour away is the fly-fishing only C&R on the Swift River and further still is the C&R section of the Deerfield.  The Swift and Deerfield drain the Quabbin and Fife Brook Dam repectively so the water temperatures will stay optimal throughout the summer – which is why they are the two best bets at this time of year. Stocking takes place near to (and in) Chelmsford but its all put-and-take, the fish can’t survive this long. I am not especially familiar with New Hampshire, but for the cost of a non-resident license I think you’d have better chances there. Chelmsford is just a few minutes from the border.

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When I worked in Chelmsford I used to fish Walden Pond a lot. Lots of brown trout, many of them big (biggest I’ve seen was a 12 lb. a guy got on bait) and big rainbows (to 7 lbs.) too, but this was many years ago (‘84). At the time I did best with Henryvilles, midges and muddlers fished deep and slow at night. Nine three streamers were good for rainbows too.                                                         jc

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