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Thanks for the info. Bill , that River Runner is exactly what I need . I phoned to order one a few minutes ago and he`s gone for two weeks fishing     I would have got one overnighted to my place but… Thanks Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jeff, We are using them on small outboards from 4hp to 25hp on the lower America River in Sacramento, California to sneak around the shallow rocky river for stripers. The river has a 5mph speed limit so horse power is not an issue. We are using small boats that run 8′ to 16′ long. Mac’s "River Runner" is what you need. They seem to work well and help reduce prop damage. You can get them directly from Mac’s or you can find them at some boat or marine supplies too. They come in several sizes and are easy to install. Here is the web address: http://www.propsavers.com/ — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com After smashing my prop to bits yesterday I`m seriously considering a prop guard . Any of you using them ? Like em ? Hate em ?  Just like your experiences on performance after the install . I`m not going high speed , just doing a lot of river running and it LOW LOW LOW right now , 2 feet of water in some spots . Ouch ! Thanks Jeff

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Trouble with that is my engine is a 30HP and when the jet pump goes on I lose about 30 % . I would like the jet , but if I`m going to have to go new I might as well sell my outfit and buy a 4.3 L inboard / jet river boat . A Merc 40 HP Jet up here is $ 7300.00 CAN plus taxes . Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should seriously consider replacing the lower unit with a jet unit. They use them quite a bit in the North West on the rivers there. Just my $0.02 worth After smashing my prop to bits yesterday I`m seriously considering a prop guard . Any of you using them ? Like em ? Hate em ?  Just like your experiences on performance after the install . I`m not going high speed , just doing a lot of river running and it LOW LOW LOW right now , 2 feet of water in some spots . Ouch ! Thanks Jeff

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After smashing my prop to bits yesterday I`m seriously considering a prop guard . Any of you using them ? Like em ? Hate em ?  Just like your experiences on performance after the install . I`m not going high speed , just doing a lot of river running and it LOW LOW LOW right now , 2 feet of water in some spots . Ouch ! Thanks Jeff

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Hi Jeff, We are using them on small outboards from 4hp to 25hp on the lower America River in Sacramento, California to sneak around the shallow rocky river for stripers. The river has a 5mph speed limit so horse power is not an issue. We are using small boats that run 8′ to 16′ long. Mac’s "River Runner" is what you need. They seem to work well and help reduce prop damage. You can get them directly from Mac’s or you can find them at some boat or marine supplies too. They come in several sizes and are easy to install. Here is the web address: http://www.propsavers.com/ — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After smashing my prop to bits yesterday I`m seriously considering a prop guard . Any of you using them ? Like em ? Hate em ?  Just like your experiences on performance after the install . I`m not going high speed , just doing a lot of river running and it LOW LOW LOW right now , 2 feet of water in some spots . Ouch ! Thanks Jeff

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You should seriously consider replacing the lower unit with a jet unit.  They use them quite a bit in the North West on the rivers there. Just my $0.02 worth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After smashing my prop to bits yesterday I`m seriously considering a prop guard . Any of you using them ? Like em ? Hate em ?  Just like your experiences on performance after the install . I`m not going high speed , just doing a lot of river running and it LOW LOW LOW right now , 2 feet of water in some spots . Ouch ! Thanks Jeff

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I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.

You might find this useful; http://www.fishing-hunting.com/fishingnews/terrylawton/article3.htm TL MC

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Scott, that’s pretty much the way it works here except this may vary according to the library’s program… The feature here is called ‘ILL’ (Inter Library Loan). My Library’s website does not search the interlibrary loan database. That search (for a particular book) has to be done by the librarian.. There is a cost….50 cents.,…..to read any book out there and man there is a lot! We’re talking collectors items…oops. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~ You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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 I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

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Hi John, there is a great deal of help available on the net.  A couple of these sites should be of considerable help to you with basic stuff. Most of them have specific beginners sections.  If you have trouble with any of the terms etc, then just post to the group again, somebody will help you. Here are the URL

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Looks like this newsgroup have turned into rec.outdoor.fishing.fly.politics   There’s way too much politics and babal for my taste….in other words waste of time….It makes me wonder when I look at how often some people post here whether they actually fish. If ya got this much time to sit behind a computer and type out your political philosophy instead of fishing then you have a real problem.

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Looks like this newsgroup have turned into rec.outdoor.fishing.fly.politics   There’s way too much politics and babal for my taste….in other words waste of time….It makes me wonder when I look at how often some people post here whether they actually fish.

We not only fish, but we travel often considerable distances to fish with each other. Do you have something to say about fishing? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Yet inexplicably, here you are, posting your non-fishing ideas. Looks like this newsgroup have turned into rec.outdoor.fishing.fly.politics   There’s way too much politics and babal for my taste….in other words waste of time….It makes me wonder when I look at how often some people post here whether they actually fish. If ya got this much time to sit behind a computer and type out your political philosophy instead of fishing then you have a real problem.

Regards, Jeff

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Extremely kind of you to give us the benefit of your limitless wisdom, especially considering your lack of time, taken up as it is with all the important things in life. At first I thought I did not like the political threads, (I hate Armani as well, and Gucci sucks ), but then I realised that the people complaining about the political threads were the real time wasters. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Hi you guys.  I just read a national weather prognostication that says we may be in the beginning of a possible long lasting drought that could last for years and that we may see a lot of streams drying up in the future.  It could be worse than the dust bowl days.  Maybe we should start teaching the fish to breath air for their oxygen? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get Mark Faulkner(Snipped) I am (Snipped)

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Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get to the Little J all that much, since Spring Creek is in by back yard, but I’ll email you separately with some additional information. The question now is whether all these streams will dry up.  The upper end of Spring Creek (going through Boalsburg) is dry, as is a major trib of Spring Creek (Slab Cabin Run); some major fish kills have occurred.  Haven’t seen the Little J recently.  Pray for rain, and lots of it. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Jim Marlin schrieb in Nachricht Welcome back to the fold Jim !  Hope you find a good fishing partner.  Hope you enjoy ROFF as well. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Anyone have info on fly fishing at Lake Casitas and/or along the beach in Ventura/Santa Barbara area?  Looking to do some fishing closer to home. Thanks Jeff M.

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Check with Jandd Mountaineering in Santa Barbara 882-1195.  They have a fly shop and might be able to help you.  If not there is a new shop in Santa Barbara called "MacDuff’s" in the 1000 or 1100 block of State St. that should be able to help.  Surf Perch fishing is pretty good with crab patterns along the Ventura beach area. Wes along the beach – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -in Ventura/Santa Barbara area?  Looking to do some fishing closer to home. Thanks Jeff M.

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

Try this page, should keep you busy for awile: http://www.fishnet.net/~gini/cool/ Max

http:/www.inetarena.com/~mwi "…there are only two things in life worth getting excited about – fly fishing is the other one…"

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INDICATORS IN FLY FISHING IS BOBBER FISHING

<whole bunch deleted Why is fishing with a bobber with a bait imitation worse than fishing on the bottom with a bait imitation? Doesn’t seem as bad as using artificial stuff to float or sink a fly. Charlie…

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George:  After reading your post I can only say, Thank God we don’t fish together.  I have always believed that tolerance is the hallmark of an educated man.  Hopefully, as we get older and wiser, we learn to "never say never" and to refrain from declaring that the "one way is the only way".  If we decide that indicators violate the spirit of fly-fishing then we must insist that all fly lines be a neutral color that exactly matches the water color.  Otherwise, those who watch the tips of their fly lines to detect strikes are taking an unfair advantage.  Then there are those of us who, due to advancing age, couldn’t see a leader or tippet at ten feet on our best day.  Time to hang up the rod?  Or, maybe, use an idicator.        By the way…love your floatant…too bad I can’t find it in Ontario.  Tight lines.   JIM WARD

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Over the years, as one generation fades into the sunset, it leaves behind certain rules and manners their fore-fathers abided with . . . but if left unsaid, undisciplined, untaught to the new . . . who are left to fend for themselves,  youth resorts to invention; the father of necessity. <<a bunch of oversimplistic blather about the "tradition" of "true Fly Fishing" snipped

(random snips from Joe’s post because it was more fun than the usual wholesale snippage, don’t take it personally) OK, George…Don’t bother…getting your…shorts..you’ll only embarrass

yourself. The fact is, George,…EVERYTHING we do…was…damned…effective… after a couple hundred years. As long as you…carry the ‘lure’, you’re fly fishing. Even…the pure ‘traditionalist’…claim…to…use the tools, materials, hooks, and lines of the ancient Egyptians… Do you nymph with… the beadhead…Isaac Walton the WORM…or… that "upstart" Lee Wulff! Surely you…claim that HIS flies are…silk…braided-core PVC coated…horsehair..ones? Have you got…steel…in the closet? Do you use…automatic…aircraft…? Does your rod have a…floating agent…??? If you use ANY of these things, then you are not the lily-pure ‘traditionalist’ you set yourself up to be. …     …unless, of course, you can show us where Isaac Walton and Dame Julianna promoted silicone…

(All this brought to you from the state where the line-item veto is used to delete single words, letters and even punctuation to achieve greater meaning in the annual budgetary laws.) Ah, there is something comforting about the posting of a truly good troll (it doesn’t matter if it was totally serious or just a stirring the pot). The laying down of the gauntlet, the surety of the combustive responses, the playing out of the thread into ever widening circles encompassing more and more tangential issues. I think Muskie should takes some notes from George’s post. It was written in civil, admirably constructed prose (minus a grammatical, syntactical or typographical error here or there), brought up an issue that will boil the brains of many a lurker, and was laid in like casting a fly on a 1 wt. line to a boiling pool of starving hatchery fish. With such a post you can be assured the world is as it should be and everything in its place, like the coming of Autumn or the first snow frosting the surface of the Earth. It is clear that to George (if we step one step away from the strike indicator controversy), flyfishing (to a greater or lesser degree) lies in the simplicity inherent in the limitations of the mechanics of the fly fishing rig as a predatory weapon to catch trout, all other things falling within the comforting framework these limitations define. He limits his rig to maintain this simplicity (as he views and purportedly enjoys it). There is some merit to this as an aesthetic pursuit. After all, art is what you make of it. To some, certain pieces of artwork are garbage and to others are beauty embodied. (George, I am interpreting your post and am not putting words in your computer, feel free to slam me if this offends you.;-) This does make me contemplate what flyfishing is to me (viewed as a different question than "why do you flyfish?" which is somehow easier to answer). I think it is similiar to why I bowhunt. There is an underlying aesthetic experience that goes far beyond the taking of game. I think I’ll have to mull it over for a while.  Any takers for the ethereal? Jon (better get some more coffee)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -INDICATORS IN FLY FISHING IS BOBBER FISHING Over the years, as one generation fades into the sunset, it leaves behind certain rules and manners their fore-fathers abided with . . . but if left unsaid, undisciplined, untaught to the new . . . who are left to fend for themselves,  youth resorts to invention; the father of necessity. [snip] Without compassion you have

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I have three upcoming trips this spring: New Orleans in March, Miami in May, and North Carolina in July. I am looking for suggestions for

I guess it is time for a Keys, Bonefish, and Miami FAQ.. Here are some posts others have found useful. Have fun, and mail me if you have further questions…  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge….. As if Santa wasn’t good enough to me, I found out that I have business in Ft. Lauderdale in January. It looks like a two hour drive down to the end of the Florida peninsula according to my atlas, and I plan on scamming a couple of extra days to cast for bonefish.

I would allow a little extra time, it can take longer depending on traffic. The only way in or out of the keys is US-1, and it is mostly 2 lane for miles. (You can take card sound road for a nice alternate route coming back. About the same time, and you see a different part of N Key Largo.) I am a steelheader from Seattle who knows NOTHING< about bonefish except that my 8wt rpl will work, and the flies under the heading "bonefish" are small shrimpy weighted flies.

You ought to be ok, use as much of a WF line as you have. Make sure you have as much backing as your reel will hold. Nevertheless, the thought of ‘wading the flats’ wearing shorts in January is too much to resist for someone from latitude 47.

And you can do it, you just have to be a bit trickier during winter time. The bonefish are still there, they just will not come onto the flats until the water warms up. I would plan on fishing mid-day if the night time temp is below 70. The flats will be too cold in the AM, but will warm up. I am groveling for information! (fishing dates: Jan 14th – 16th)

Here are some posts I have made earlier. Not all will be relevant, but most info should be useful. I grew up down there, and spend 2-3 weeks a year flats fishing in the upper Keys. My brother works in Key Largo and Key West about half of the time, and he gets me current fishing reports. Both he and I have flats boats, and are into flyfishing for bonefish and tarpon. Have fun! Call me if you have questions… 404/850-2644  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge….. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Some friends and I, serious fly fisherman all, are thinking about going to the Florida Keys to do some bonefishing (and maybe tarpon, permit, etc.)  this winter.  Never having done this before, I have scads of questions: * Is end of December/beginning of January a good time?

Bones are there year round. They will not come up onto the flats if the water temp is too cold. Also wind is more likely, and impacts the number of "fishable" (sight fishing) days. However, the largest bonefish are usually caught in winter. I have hooked (not landed) very big bonefish during XMAS trips last year. Tarpon migrate, and are not in the Keys in large quantities until May/June. There are year round Tarpon spots in the Keys ( and Miami) but it is usually deep water. (Bridges/channels, etc) I consider June/July the best time all around for fishing in the Keys. I still fish year all seasons, because even "off season" the fishing is better than most places I know. But for fly fisherman, winter may be less desirable. Redfish are available year round, as are sharks and barracudas. Many fly types are sight fishing for big ‘Cudas during winter when it the flats are too cold for bonefish. * Where are the good spots in the keys?  Should we try Grand Bahama or  Belize instead?

My conclusion is that if you want numbers and lot’s of action, hit the bahamas, Christmas Island (near Hawaii), or costa rica. However, If you want big fish on a regular basis, Miami down to Marathon for bonefish is hard to beat. For Tarpon, Boca Grande pass in June is fantastic. Not the same as sight fishing the flats edges for tarpon in the Keys, but killer in a different fashion. Tarpon are all around florida mid year, so there are many good places for them. The keys are ideal due to: Big Bonefish, good tarpon, great Permit, OK redfish, great trout, great dolphin close in (the fish). The water is great for sight fishing in the Keys. Other parts of Fla are less "clear". The Bahamas are tough to beat in water clarity. * Know any good guides/outfitters?

I have not used a guide for 3 years, but recommend using one until you become proficient in finding fish yourself. Even then, guides will put you onto more fish. * Will I need my own equipment or can I rent?

I have not seen much rental equipment. If you have a guide, he will provide top notch equipment. I hope you have a good time! Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing I will be on Islamorada from February 10-17 of this year.  I plan to do some inshore fishing, and am wondering if this is a particularly "hot" time for specific fish. Can anyone give me some help? I’ll be

Entirely dependant on water temperature. (Wind may also be an issue) Some of the largest bonefish are caught in "winter" (dec-feb). You may also go all day without seeing a fish on a flat. A guide is a big win here. They may know when/where fish may make an appearence. We have found that "normal" behavior does not apply. (normal for bonefish is: fish move on flat with low incoming tide.) Problem is that with colder water temp, at may be midday before the water warms up enough. Thus traditional early morning/late evening "best times" may not apply. Barracuda are found (and fished for) on the flats in the winter. Any other time, these guys are almost impossible to catch. (Except when a big bonefish is about to nail your shrimp/lure) Also sharks on the flats can be fun. Tarpon are pretty much somewhere else, except for a few "bridge" types that hang around year round. Redfish and trout in the backcountry (Fla Bay, as opposed to the Atlantic) should also be a good option. (Not as exciting as bonefish, but still pretty good) I believe offshore is pretty good this time of year. (Sailfish, grouper, Kings, snapper, etc) out for a full day, and would like to spend about half the day fishing purely for sport (i.e. tarpon, bonefish, maybe permit) and half the day fishing for something I can cook up afterwards. Is this possible?

Bonefish or permit then hit backcountry for redfish or trout. I have limited out on big trout within 30 min skiff ride from Islamorada. (By the way, you will be "in" Islamorada, the city. You will be "on" upper or lower matacumbe. Just a "nit" :- ) Any suggestions would be appreciated. I’d like to call up and reserve a guide ahead of time.

We had good luck with Jamie Brodie, who booked out of Holiday Isle. I could get other names from Fla Sportsman if needed. Secondly, since I can’t afford a guide every day I’m there, but would like to do some fishing most of the days I’m there, I’m wondering if anyone can give me advice about wading/shore fishing. I’ll cast for

This is how we got started. Harry Harris park up in key largo (20 min N of Islamorada) is a good flat to wade for bonefish. Also flats off the bridges at shell and indian key ( Just S of Islamorada. ) are good. If you see brown bottom that you can get too from your hotel, etc. I would give it a try. Wear tennis shoes, or booties. (I use "aquasox" as well) Be aware of stingrays. (Some say to shuffle. I do if I cannot see the bottom very clearly. I have found if the bottom is hard enough to wade, the stingrays do not bury themselves. They are also very spooky, and will avoid you.) Also bridge fishing all along that area is good. You can also rent a boat. (not cheap, but cheaper than a guide.) Plan on using it mainly to get too flats. Do not try to take it on the flats, as you will get stuck unless it is very high tide. You will not have a pole anyway. Even with our flat’s boats, we wade alot. (during low tide) anything, I just don’t know what’s there to cast to, or what to cast to whatever is there (to state a simple point in a fairly unruly way).

On the flats you will see:         stingrays- do not try to catch them. Look for bonefish/jack         following them. try to cast on the back of any stingray you see.         Many times you will not see the fish following them. Best sign         that bonefish are on the flats. Stingrays are your friend.         Bonefish- swim most in straight lines. best case is to find them         tailing in low water. (why wading is good). You may see one or a         dozen. Very spooky. Cast in front of them, let them swim up on         your lure/bait.         Permit- The most spooky. look for "sickle" fin sticking out of         water.         Baracuda- usually loitering around. Moving very slowly, then         disappears faster than your eye can follow. If you see a fish,         and it does not move 5-10 feet in a few seconds, then it is probably         a barracuda. cast past it 10 feet in front of it. reel as fast         as you can. They strike instinctively.         Jack- Usually you do not see them, but catch them by accident.         can get pretty big, fights almost as good as a bonefish. (Just         missing the 200 yd runs.)         Sharks- 2-5′ nurse, lemon,

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I have three upcoming trips this spring: New Orleans in March, Miami in May, and North Carolina in July. I am looking for suggestions for saltwater flyfishing in these places. If you can recommend guides or

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I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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: I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May : and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and : equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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