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You guys in Baja Oklahoma should know the difference between Sooners and Okies.   I can steer you to a few bars in Sooner land where calling people Okies won’t make you any friends. The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".   Is "Pride in Ignorance" still the state moto of Texas. Can blame you for living in Oklahoma though. General Sherman was a smart feller, his only mistake was not burning enough of Georgia.

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BJC wrote… The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".

Hey now, you are one going by "BJC" <bseg — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

Um, I’m not sure of your point, other than perhaps agreeing in pain… TC, R but note – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Can’t stand any Florida teams either. It’s like I told my Husker fan sister last night, those Miami guys are just too fast and better compensated.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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If your going to steal a quote at least cite the source and get it right. It was Will Rogers and he said the  Okies raised the IQ of both California and Oklahoma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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WOW Collier, taking time off from your self-penetration to home in on any mention of eBay? Oh, and have an OK day.  Should be a good year for you with the IRS considering your 2001 losses.  Then again, they may just be on their way with an endoscope considering your unreported and ill-gotten ebay income! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

Er, except that most of the pics of "Texas" are of Oklahoma…well, I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… — Charlie…

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"…

I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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"Charlie Choc" wrote  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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Like I said, Ken was exaggerating, as he is prone to do. The Bible is *not* autographed, but it is the original, handwritten version. Price is negotiable, depending on how many you order at one time… Any remaining stock will be auctioned on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price

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Friendly and predictable, that’s me… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, it would be acceptable, but only after it is cleared by the protocol committee.  If you’ll send me the details on the book, I’ll be happy to forward it on to them…. Seriously, though, generally speaking, the only place a "For Sale" post is _strictly_ appropriate is in a ".forsale" newsgroup or other such newsgroup that specifically allows "for sale" postings.  But ROFF’s charter is, at best, more observed by the ignoring of same. What this means is: "who knows what reaction a particular post might garner?"  If your post is simple, honest posting pointing to a personal sale of a book or books, I’d say post away and ignore any flames.   One thing on pointing to auctions, whether here or another newsgroup, starting the subject line with a "FA:" is considered proper as "FS:" means that it is "for sale," not "for auction."  Also, indicate your location. OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… HTH, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ron Reinhold

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, regulars often post when they’re selling something on eBay, but if you do it out of the blue, as an unknown, you’re likely to get flamed by self-appointed net cops. Thanks for asking. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"Ron Reinhold"  wrote…  I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay?

Don’t listen to those other guys, they’re only trying to get you into trouble.  The proper protocol is to send the rare flyfishing book to me, for approval. Just happy I could help, Timothy Juvenal

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold

I’d say it’s OK as long as it’s a one time deal.  We do not appreciate continual spamming.  So, if you’re a book dealer or something, you would be better off becoming a regular contributor and put your web site on your signature.  It would be nice if you put a "FS:" at the beginning of your subject line to mark it as a for sale notice.

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap.

not from me it won’t…. i sent that useless and futile grass stick down to my momma so she could stake some pole beans in her garden. she called me three days later and cussed me out but good after she donated it to the local homeless shelter for kindling. furthermore, i received a very ungracious e-mail from the third baptist church of jacksonville condemning me to satan for the lack of charity in my heart. all that aside, and accounted for, i, walt winter, hereby denounce and wish all sorts of evil becomings on george gherke for bedeviling me with this bullsh ….uhmmm…errr…. sorry, wrong number. waldo…. who…. caught two brookies, on the new, nc siberian whitewash, millenium day… yipeeeeeeeee! and… wishin all of ya’ll could have done the same…. <bseg….zimman

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Hi Frank and all Count me in with a canary salmon fly. All the best in 2001! Paul MacDonald – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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No Steve, but I’m still digging…damn thing’s gotta be here someplace! Frank (bamboozled) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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OK Peter, your down for a wet one. <g Frank (tired already gray swapemupmeister) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church After you’ve got your breath back, mine’s a Cahill Wet. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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OK Paul, you’re down for a canary salmon fly. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Frank and all Count me in with a canary salmon fly. All the best in 2001! Paul MacDonald Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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Where did you find someplace that would sell you a fishing license today?       Frank "calling out the rangers" Reid waldo…. who…. caught two brookies, on the new, nc siberian whitewash, millenium day… yipeeeeeeeee! and… wishin all of ya’ll could have done the same…. <bseg….zimman

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap. not from me it won’t…. i sent that useless and futile grass stick down to my momma so she could stake some pole beans in her garden. she called me three days later and cussed me out but good after she donated it to the local homeless shelter for kindling. furthermore, i received a very ungracious e-mail from the third baptist church of jacksonville condemning me to satan for the lack of charity in my heart. all that aside, and accounted for, i, walt winter, hereby denounce and wish all sorts of evil becomings on george gherke for bedeviling me with this bullsh ….uhmmm…errr…. sorry, wrong number.

_____-  That’s alright Walter, you got it free anyhow.  I just wish you had returned it to me instead.  I could have given it to a youngster much more in need who could never afford a fine fly rod like that one is.  Try and think of others once in a while in the future, will you? When one doesn’t want a gift, it would be the gentlemanly thing to return it quietly and in the same vein that it was sent you.  In friendship and respect. Things like this always seem to elude you Walter.  I’m sorry to hear about it. Happy New Year anyhow. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George   — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

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Thanks for your generous offer George, but you only need to tie *one* pattern, multiplied by the number of tiers.  As things stand now, you would need to tie 28 copies of your Blackjack fly.  Also, you only need to include a return address and postage to cover your submission.  The flies must be in to me by 28 Feb.  I must leave for Florida this morning until Saturday so will be unavailable for messages until then. Thanks, Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

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Duty calls and I must leave for Tampa, FL this morning, so any questions, comments or criticisms concerning the Great FlySwap will go unanswered until this coming Saturday. And especially, the *criticisms* will go unanswered! Frank (Ye Olde Gray Swapmeister) Church …and soon to be tired, I expect…

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…..quietly and in the same vein……

Ahhhhhh!  This explains SO much! Wolfgang monkey?  what monkey?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your generous offer George, but you only need to tie *one* pattern, multiplied by the number of tiers.  As things stand now, you would need to tie 28 copies of your Blackjack fly.  Also, you only need to include a return address and postage to cover your submission.  The flies must be in to me by 28 Feb.  I must leave for Florida this morning until Saturday so will be unavailable for messages until then. Thanks, Frank Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

Well, okay . . . but let’s make that either the Light Cahill Dry or Wet Fly?  It takes a long time to tie one BlackJack.  Too many flies and not enough heart beats left, LOL! — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies.

I personally believe that George Harvey tied flies are a collector’s item but they are NOT valued at $125 a piece.  I am sure that is how much YOU claim your George Harvey ties to be worth on your insurance policies. Can I interest you in some ocean-front property in central PA? Dave — proud owner of a shadowbox of flies tied by George Harvey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:38 AM Frank, What a good idea the fly swap.  I live in Holland. Count me in for a Wallonian Special. We use this fly a lot in the Belgian Ardennen.We catch mostly Trout and Flag Salmon with this dry fly. I sent an email but you seem to have some trouble with all the enthusiastic email. Rudi Verberne OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 3rd update for the 2nd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2001, this thing really took off…….27 signed on as of now…Truly an international flyswap, we now have USA, Canada, The Netherlands, Germany and Australia, and I know there’s got to be others out there laying in the weeds……Willi? Wolfie? Zimbo? <<he’s good for a bamboo rod.  :-) Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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So, we shooting for 50 tyers this time?  We’re up to 25 in 24 hours!

OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great

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Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, we shooting for 50 tyers this time?  We’re up to 25 in 24 hours! OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great <big list snipped

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Mystery of the missing mail solved!

Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church

After you’ve got your breath back, mine’s a Cahill Wet. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine…

<snipped What is a knot machine?  I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me… <)))’    <)))’    <)))’    <’(((<    <)))’    <)))’

"Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality."

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Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Vern

Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work. Ernie

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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine… <snipped What is a knot machine?  I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me…

http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241/ — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work.

Now, no one said anything about being able to *see* them!  Bruce ties a lot of those nice midge thingies.  Actually when you get that many lined up you begin to see a pinkish hue against the white fly box background Regards, Jeff

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Hey Ernie, i was glad you won my flies, hope you like them. Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them.  I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies.  On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave.  I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life.  Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser  YES I CAN POST!  YEE HA!  THANKS CHARLIE FOR THE COMPUTER HELP! Before you buy.

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I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer  <unimportant stuff snipped

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Bruce,    I am certain I will love your flies.  I have never fished the San Juan but if I ever get down that way I will let you know and you can show me the ropes.  I used to wholesale the Blood Knot Machine several years ago to companies like Hook&Hackle, but just sell a few I have left on the Internet for my own entertainment now. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Ernie, Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them.  I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies.  On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave.  I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life.  Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser

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I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle. Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F.

Thanks Vern….I never made it to the clave or the raffle to pick up my prize.   Please send it ASAP.<g Bob, it was nice of you to pass out your HoldZit products to the rest of the clave fishermen/ladies.  I was hoping everyone got a sample. — Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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I just got home after the clave and after fishing Henry’s Fork, Buffalo River, and the Provo.  Why should the fishing end with the clave?  It didn’t for me. I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle.  I should say that I have not read anything on roff and have no idea if anyone else have made another similar post.  More comments are to come after I clean out the car and get settled back into being home again. Mickey Agua won a quilt donated by Debbie U. Vernon Ursenbach won a bamboo fly-rod donated by Steve Z. Dan Finn won a fly rod donated by Mike C. & a rod tube donated by Tom B. Darin Minor won furled leaders donated by Michael E. & a ff book donated by Ken F. Brian D. Nelson won a knot tool & Simms thing donated by Frank C. & a bottle of wine donated by Dan F. Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine & rod building info donated by Ernie H. Steve Zimmerman won 2 ff books donated by Kiyu Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Michael Erana won a guided float trip for 2 donated by Brian N.  (There are special conditions that apply.) Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L. Pat Wilson won a fly box, flies, & complete pheasant hide donated by Bob S. Frank Church T-Shirt & Y2K clave photo donated by Wayne H. Tom Brown won a fly box & flies donated by Dale W. Stephen Barnard aka RW won 2 ff books donated by Kelly R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F. Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Dave Snedeker won a Cortland Lazerline WF3F donated by Darin M. Kelly Roger won a bunch of show stuff from Las Vegas donated by Vernon U. William Loehman won a 8′ 2wt fly rod donated by Charles W. Dale Wilkionson won a C&R tool & lanyard donated by RW Warren Findley won a fly reel donated by Walt W. Charles Wilson won a Bastard fly rod donated by Mickey A. (George ?) — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L.

I saw those flies – they appeared to be really well tied. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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You got RCMP on the brain.

That’s O.K., as long as they stay out of my pants!

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Come on Wolfie, they use green machines on the Miramichi all the time. Oh, I get it, in that particular river’s case the US dollar bill isn’t the fly, it’s the catch! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <interesting tale snipped What I would like to know is how in hell you managed to cast a folded dollar bill!  I mean, talk about catching air!!

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Great Post, great story. Thanks, Bruce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh. It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh.  It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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<interesting tale snipped What I would like to know is how in hell you managed to cast a folded dollar bill!  I mean, talk about catching air!!

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I folded it into a small, tight, and compact square, poked a hole in it with my knife, and tied it to my line with granny knots.  I did get air.  But, at the time I thought it was funny.  I did it more for the laugh than for the presentation.

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Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las

Vegas." (great story snipped) Now THAT’S FUNNY!! My soon to be mother-in-law lives at Lake Mead and I’ve never been to Vegas.  I anticipate a family visit in the next few months.  I’ll have to get you to show me the sidewalk technique!  I’ll bring along my 6 1/2 foot small stream rod and we’ll see what a 6 foot guy with a short rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk. I’ll supply a pair of 5 dollar bills.  We’ll go for the class acts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As you reeled her in, you should have said, "Will you or won’t you ???" Her reply, " My room or yours ??" Your reply, " If you are going to argue about it, let’s forget the whole thing. "

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My room mate just got back from Vegas…she said she saw a lot of weird things going on…

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rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk.

This place just gets sicker and more depraved by the minute!  Thank you Lord, a home at last!!

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and we’ll see what a 6 foot guy with a short rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk.

Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ? TL MC

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Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ?

Oh, thank goodness it’s just a pissing contest……methought…….but no, a man were an ass to say what I thought!

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Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ? Oh, thank goodness it’s just a pissing contest……methought…….but no, a man were an ass to say what I thought!

You got RCMP on the brain. Mu

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My room mate just got back from Vegas…she said she saw a lot of weird things going on…

I’m one of them.  They pay me good money to act stupid.  I’m an actor you see?  The hotel wants silly and I give it to them.

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She was an amateur.  No working girl in Vegas would be turned by $106.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh. It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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snip I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation.

V. You are obviously a C&R fisherman at heart, however I would suggest you spend some time reading the C&R/C&K thread and seek guidance from the doyen there as to exactly when/whether it is appropriate for a C&R guy to keep a beauty such as you described. Uh. By the by. What fly….er……bill were you using again and do you think it would work as well for a 6′ fat guy? Kiyu

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Hi there: Does anyone here have a good formula for a 9 – 12 feet leader balanced for a 5 weight rod?  Tippet should be about 4-6X.. Many thanks in advance. jimmy C

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Hi Jimmy,    See my Webb page (Leaders) for tapered leader construction. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there: Does anyone here have a good formula for a 9 – 12 feet leader balanced for a 5 weight rod?  Tippet should be about 4-6X.. Many thanks in advance. jimmy C

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

Try this page, should keep you busy for awile: http://www.fishnet.net/~gini/cool/ Max

http:/www.inetarena.com/~mwi "…there are only two things in life worth getting excited about – fly fishing is the other one…"

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I will be fishing with a guide May 18, 19 and 20, but my flight arrives in Key West the afternoon before and I don’t want to waste it. Can anyone reccomend a wading spot in the Key West area? I have never been that far down the keys. Thanks.

I, too, plan on visiting the Keys to do some fly fishing.  I won

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The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                              Thomas    I hate crowded streams as much or more than anyone, but I have never seen conditions that would actually "destry or devastate" a stream.  Before anyone goes crazy regulating access, etc they had better remember that government is notoriously hard to undo.  Any regulations will, for all practical purposes, be permanent.   Rob Gregoire

It is not enough to examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered. It must also be minutely scrutinized in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered… dWEST — Who is wise? He who learns from everyone.

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I heard about GA stocking.  How do the locals dig out the trout after they free-fall and auger into the mud?  Though some hardware anglers in VA spread the word about the arrival of a stocking truck, I don’t believe they ever used the term "in-coming" for such an event.  I do know of a guy named Jeff in Carroll County, VA, who would be ready for aerial stocking with a landing/rescue net from the local FD. VA Angler

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Why not just stop worrying about it and wait untill this bolus of popularity passes through the system. — "A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page:  http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                               Thomas

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Why not just stop worrying about it and wait untill this bolus of popularity passes through the system. — The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                              Thomas

    I hate crowded streams as much or more than anyone, but I have never seen conditions that would actually "destry or devastate" a stream.  Before anyone goes crazy regulating access, etc they had better remember that government is notoriously hard to undo.  Any regulations will, for all practical purposes, be permanent.    Rob Gregoire

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"Most of these people are too lazy to walk upstream to where the real fishing is.  Maybe that is why  they stock close to roads." Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly.

Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly. Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

  A large number of High lakes in the Sierra  are stocked by air as well. When you see it ,it scares the hell out of you, large USFS like tankers unload on the lake. Cutbacks are in line for that program from what I understand   Harry

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A good river can handle a lot of good fisherpersons.  A few inconsiderate fisherpersons will mess up any river.  Remember also that the more people who buy licenses, the more money the stocking programs will have, although I usually avoid heavily planted areas.  Catch and release and tread lightly, support your local river protection groups. See ya on the river, Mike

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"Remember also that the more people who buy licenses, the more money the stocking programs will have" Excellent point.  Best reason to not buy a license that I’ve hear recently.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly. Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

There is a significant difference between a helicopter and a truck. Therefore, I think Brother Leitheiser is pretty close to correct in his conclusion. <BSEG CZW — Virtuous and vicious everyone must be, Few in the extreme, but all in the degree.

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That flyfishing may be ruined by too many people doing it is as likely as sunrises being ruined by too many people watching them.

This comparison would certainly be valid if flyfishing didn’t involve fish… Tim —

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Seems like the only place around here that there is any pressure is within short walking distance to any road.  Most of these people are too lazy to walk upstream to where the real fishing is.  Maybe that is why they stock close to roads.  Keeps the animals away from the quality and peaceful fishing areas. –

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That flyfishing may be ruined by too many people doing it is as likely as sunrises being ruined by too many people watching them. As long as some places get crowded, some people will make the extra effort to seek out their own special place. Eventually they will learn to be selective about with whom they share that treasure. If everyone were flyfishing they wouldn’t have time to screw up the environment or the economy, commit crimes against persons or do any number of things that make a brief and too infrequent escape from the present everyday world so appealing. Just a thought… — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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A common thread in this group is that fly-fishing has been ruined.  I agree that the sport has been over-commercialized and some of the old waters are over-crowded.  HOWEVER, I have managed to find some magnificent streams in the states where I have lived (ID, MT, MN).  Sure, the Henry’s Fork is packed and the FF experience there has been seriously degraded, but half of the fun is EXPLORATION of unknown watersheds. A second thread I would like to address is the idea that Fly-Fishing goes through 5 steps.  Recreation/Leisure research has shown that, for any sport, the more one pursues that sport, the more they transcend from the simple physical aspects of the sport to focus on the spiritual/intellectual aspects.  Similarly, a geographic perspective has shown that as Fly-Fishers become more experienced in their sport, access requirements become less strict.  Car access gives way to short foot trail access to long trails to trailless access.  I hypothesis that there is a direct correlation between difficulty of access and the level of experience. Good gosh, I sound like a bean-headed academic!  Guess I am – but I’m also a FF who finds his old Eagle Claw pack rod completely sufficient, enjoys a cold beer instead of the requisite scotch and attempts to minimize the load of hardware when going into the field. Oh yeah, one more thing – Remember hang-gliding and those other "faddish" sports?  I know people that were really into golf in the late 80s & early 90s – now they’re into FF.  Fads change & typically take the fad-seeking population with them. Just some thoughts to help pass an extremely cold day in the frozen wastelands of northern Minnesota. Jonathan Vlaming Duluth, MN temp this morning: -43 w/out windchill factor

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers.  It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition.  Does anyone have any experience with Force? Thanks in advance JK

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers.  It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition.  Does anyone have any experience with Force?

If you don’t mind dealing with pre-mix, then a Force is a decent enough engine for "in shore" flyfishing. The Force engine line was an older Chrysler design which is now made by Mercury, so the dealer support should be as available as "true" Merc’s… If you’re looking for opinions, I’d look for an engine with VRO (variable rate oiler) so you can avoid the pre-mix and cut down on fouled plugs (a dead engine while snuggling up to cast to a breakwater can be *very* exciting ;^) but that does come with a higher price tag… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers.  It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition.  Does anyone have any experience with Force? Thanks in advance JK

Reply. I have a Force 1985, 85 hp. on my 16 foot bass boat. It works great and hasen’t cost much money. It doesn’t like to run for long periods at high speed, other than that, no problem. I understand Mercury has bought the company out and is supplying service ?????

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I have a Force 1985, 85 hp. on my 16 foot bass boat. It works great and hasen’t cost much money. It doesn’t like to run for long periods at high speed, other than that, no problem. I understand Mercury has bought the company out and is supplying service ?????

Dennis: Using the standard premix ratio (I think it’s probably 50:1?) is probably insufficient for extended high-speed operation of that engine. I can’t say for certain if it’s mentioned in the operator’s manual (but it should be) that for that kind of use the oil should be increased (to 25:1 or so). Otherwise you’re likely to overheat the engine which might explain it’s reluctance to carry on for you at full-blast/long period operation… This is one of the niceties of a good VRO (not to mention that you don’t have to muck around with premix in the first place)… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers.  It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition.  Does anyone have any experience with Force? Thanks in advance JK

I would avoid Force like the plague.  Every year in Canada someones motor breaks down and it’s ALWAYS a Force.  Have yet to see one make it thru a hard week of fishing. Just what I’ve seen. Vince

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I’ve got my pole. I’ve got my flies.  I don’t have line. I found a good reference that describes the different types of fly line, but not leaders and backing(?). What is the material for leaders?  How long? How to attach to the fly line? The text also mentioned a backing line. What is it?  How much do I use? How do I attach it to the fly line? I was thinking about learning on blue gills.  Good/ Bad idea? Thanks in advance for all replies! Ed K.

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In case  you haven’t received a reply on line, leaders, etc…Your rod should have a line weight marked some where just above the cork grip. Might be #6 or some such. You’ll need a line matched to that number. The leaders are made of monofiliment. You need one about 7 1/2 feet with a stength of about 6 pound test for sunfish. To the tip of the mono, add about 2 feet of tippet material (mono) with a barrel or double surgeon’s knot. I’d go to a flyfishing store for more help or buy the L.L. Bean Beginners Guide To Flyfishing," written by Dave Whitlock. Sunfish are great to learn on and fish for forever!!

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