Question:

….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it.  Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang  South! S.

<splorkski

Response:

I’ve heard the Cabela’s Three Forks is a good stick… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it.  Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang

Response:

Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody

Response:

… It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing.

We expect EVERYBODY to "take a ration". That’s the nature of the place and newbies are not exempt. It takes a pretty thick skin to voice an unpopular opinion around here but I, for one, agree with you about the Korean piece of shit Cabela’s Three Forks. Hang around, ignore most of the shit-weasels and give tit-for-tat to the rest. You might have fun. — Ken Fortenberry

Response:

Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group?

Why not form your own group and thus avoid riffraff and grumpy old men? Or simply die? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing.

It is even more astonishing to contemplate how ill equipped you are to determine what anyone expects or who is offended by what.  But then, what with your head spending so much time up your ass, all that buggery was bound to have some unpleasant consequences, wasn’t it? I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously.

Well, aside from the fact that the vast majority of us have only a single self (unlike some other highly uninteresting individuals who only drop in occasionally to take a much deserved and inevitable drubbing) and that the group as a whole also has only a single self, what you may or may not believe you think (assuming such a ludicrous notion has any applicability to this or any other world) is a matter which no one here is likely to take seriously. Except for Wolfgang,

Always quite flattering to be thought of as exceptional. but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds.

Genius.  Sheer unadulterated genius.  Mind if I use that one some time? Believe me,

As a rule, that is not likely to happen. I am not worth getting too worked up about.

We believe you. Just killfile me

No.  That has never worked for you before…..why would you think it would this time? and get on with your life,

Well, aside from the fact that we do not share a single life (each of us having been bestowed with an entire one of his or her own), what in the world would make you think that any of your pusillanimous pettifoggery would prompt anyone to put his or her life on hold for even the briefest instant? as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound.

Actually, it doesn’t, for all of the reasons stated above. Wolfgang and he STILL doesn’t get it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bugger Everybody

Response:

"pusillanimous pettifoggery" "pusillanimous pettifoggery" "pusillanimous pettifoggery" Cool.

Response:

Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men

And just how do you know we are old? I mean, you could be a lot older and are obviously quite grumpy enough for us all. Oh, and you forgot the "cor" at the beginning of your email address. — HTH, Tim

Response:

Hello all you hansom, intellectual, talented ROFFers (especially rw), Hi Bugger too, Everyone that could not take the diversity of fly fisherman on the web here already left this group years ago slamming the door loudly. You have to be very open minded to be here for the long hall. You have to have a sense of humor too. I remember sitting here years ago, dead of winter, nothing going on and "T-bone" would make a post that made me laugh so loud that I woke my wife in the next room. You have to be half crazy to have a fly shop to because we get some customers that make George look passive. Only stay here if it is worth it, but save the complaints because we have already heard them all. I don’t care if you are a "nympher" or a "troller" or just "too cerebral", OK, now I will tell a bed time story for you guys. (10:30pm in California) When I was a teenager I ran around with a neighborhood group of guys in south Sacramento. When I was with the group, someone was always teasing me about my clothes or my hair or something I said. One day I just left mad. The next day at school a friend ask me where I went. I told him I did not think many of them liked me because they always teased me. He said that they teased everyone in the group. My friend said that if they did not like you, they would not say anything thing to you. Most people just want to be noticed. My friend was pretty smart. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody

Response:

Suggestion withdrawn. It just occurred to me that I am pretty grumpy, and certainly not young, which is to say approaching middle age, as long as I plan to live until I’m 85… Bugger Me p.s. My apologies to the troll about advice for a ‘fishing pole’. I figured this group would jump all over the faux paus of calling a fly rod a pole. What do I get? Advice. Shit, maybe I’ll try out the 3 forks. p.p.s. Wolfgang, do you fish? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody

Response:

….Wolfgang, do you fish?

Been thinking about trying it.  Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang

Response:

….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it.  Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang

 South! S.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it.  Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang South! S.

Lech Walesa! G.C.

Response:

Question:

Ha! Made you look, cracker!

Response:

Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

Response:

Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

Response:

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

Response:

Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

Response:

Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

Response:

Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

Response:

Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

Response:

Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

Response:

Question:

New in Fish & Fly – the leading website dedicated to fly fishing in the UK & Europe – Dry Fly on buying a new rod – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’ – The ‘hunting’ debate – National Trust publish angling guide – Ashima catalogue available NEW FEATURES… Dry Fly takes a look at purchasing a new rod and explains his passion for the rods made by Winston. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/tackleroom/winston.html "I had simply caught my first fish on rod and fly on my own. It was no ‘Trophy’ trout but if I could have had it stuffed and mounted I would have, such was my pride " The Duffer on Fish of a Lifetime http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/bdedit0101.html THE HUNTING DEBATE… Charles Jardine’s statement on behalf of the Countryside Alliance’s Gone Fishing campaign started off the hunting/bloodsport debate again. Some of you feel that fishing will never be threatened as there are too many of us taking part – others aren’t so optimistic. Particularly interesting are responses posted by Arrogant Bee and Mark Powell. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/dcforum/messageboard/1342.html Whatever your view it has become clear is that there is little point in us trying to convince each other that we’re ’safe’. All of us must make sure that we make our views felt. If nothing more I urge all of our visitors to make sure that they’re a member of at least one relevant body – be it the Countryside Alliance, Wild Trout Society, Salmon & Trout Association – the choice will depend on your own beliefs. But your subscription will make sure that somewhere down the line your view will be counted. LATEST NEWS… We’re not sure whether we can take any credit for this – but we’re pleased to announce that The National Trust will shortly be publishing ‘Enjoy Fishing with the National Trust’. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/news.html OUR SPONSORS… We’re pleased to welcome Ashima as a Fish & Fly sponsor – and you can apply online for a free sticker & catalogue pack covering the full range of fly tying hooks, lines and leaders… http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/ashima.html Look forward to seeing you at Fish & Fly soon, Regards, Simon Lewin http://www

Response:

[snip] – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’

Hey Louie, How long have you been writing

Response:

Question:

AA Outfitters (used to be AA Pro Shop I think) used to carry them, had some pretty good prices on mostly cosmetic seconds.  I haven’t bought from them in a couple of years though so I’m not sure if they still do. -jerry http://www.gorp.com/aa_pro/default.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone direct me to a company that sells seconds or blemished rod blanks? You can e-mail me at Thanks J

Response:

Can anyone direct me to a company that sells seconds or blemished rod blanks? You can e-mail me at Thanks J

Response:

Cote’s Fly Shop in Leicester Ma., sells blems and seconds as well as excellent rods made with them by Ray Cote. Call 508-892-3765 and tell them Jerry Schrader sent you. Jerry Schrader, a pro wedding photog.  http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

Response:

Can anyone direct me to a company that sells seconds or blemished rod blanks? You can e-mail me at Thanks J

The Anglers Workshop, www.anglersworkshop.com, sells blems at a pretty good price too.

Response:

Two good sources for blems are: Jon King at JJ King Flyfishing Co., Alturas, CA Excellent deals, special rates for clubs & associations. Jon King is very honest, very helpful.  I built a 10 foot 9 weight from a two piece blem and his parts/components kit and it turned out to be an excellent salmon/steelhead rod.  I think the prices are $6/foot for four piece blanks and $5/foot for a two piece rod. honest, helpful guy.  He’s a guide in the Phoenix area so he may not answer your email right away if he’s out with a client guiding. The man has a good selection of blems. I bought a bunch of Berkley 4 piece blems for $25 each and turned them into excellent rods.  I got a 4 weight, a 6 weight, and an 8 weight, all 9 feet long.  Plus some other even cheaper blems made by Kunan (?) to practice on. Even these Korean blanks which I bought to play with, fearing to ruin a high end blank, turned into pretty decent 5 wghts. Al Soroka Vancouver, B.C.

Response:

Question:

Hi,     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.  I have been going to school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville for 4 years now and for one reason or another have never tried fly fishing in Tennessee.  I’m from Texas where I fish saltwater often, but I can probably count the times I’ve gone fly fishing in the past 5 years on one hand.  Like many beginners, I spent no more than $100 bucks on rod, reel, and line combined.  After a relatively unsuccessful trip to the Frio river in the Texas hill country, I realized that I might have been missing out on some pretty decent fishing in East Tennessee.  I know the basics of the sport and what it entails, but there is so much more for me to learn.  If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:     1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish     2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)     3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)     4)  outfitters in the Nashville area     5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying     5)  anything else that would be helpful Thanks,     Tyler McAfee

Response:

If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:    1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish    2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)    3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)    4)  outfitters in the Nashville area    5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying    5)  anything else that would be helpful

Waters…within close proximity to you,,,the Clinch, the Hiwassee, the Tellico WMA, the Smokies….the Holston, Tailwaters a 5wt is nice. Teachers and outfitters, right next to your school, the West End Transit Company on West End Avenue, nice fly shop in back, with a member of the newsgroup working there on Fridays, Jack Schmitt (I hope I got that right)., Active TN TU chapters are a good place to start. The TN TU chapter even put out a small booklet of maps on the TN trout streams. theres another outfitter nearby, combination gun and tackle shop but the name escapes me right now. But go see Jack, he’s a good guy and won’t steer you wrong. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

Response:

Hi Wayne, I appreciate the kind remarks. The shop is Cumberland Transit and is next to Vanderbilt. Due to circumstances, I will be in the shop irregularly over the next 2 months. My wife and I plan to travel the West. Jim Mauries from Colorado is there full-time and will be glad to help if I am not there. Best wishes and tight lines. Jack.

Response:

writes: The shop is Cumberland Transit and is

Sorry Jack, brain fart. have fun out west. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

Response:

I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

Saving yourself for T-Bone (just kidding Jimbo-really) Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

Response:

X-no-archive: yes     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

        good god.  the first inkling of humor in your roff life.  this may be a memorable occasion. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

Question:

    Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help .      Pierre

Response:

Have only fished the lovely Bow wilth a guide. (Dave Campbell, does any bodu know whats happed to him?)  The Bow only becomes productive thru and below Calgary, after it develops a food chain.  Divide the larger water into many smaller waters visually and fish these smaller divisions as if they were small waters.  Also strongly consider, streamers there .  Especially large 4-6 black wooly buggers to see if you can move some fish.  Oldies have exactly the same fishing experience you do, they just lie about it. Schuhfly

Response:

   Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help .     Pierre

Shoot Pierre…you’ve been occupying your time in and around flyfishing. This is not bad luck, this is exceptionally good luck.  Catching fish is such a small part of it….and it will come,  you’re just paying your dues… Bag the videos and courses though, IMO. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

Response:

Question:

"In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future.  The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that  no longer exists."             Eric Hoffer (1902-83), U.S. philosopher.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : "In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. :  The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that :  no longer exists." : Eric Hoffer (1902-83), U.S. philosopher. So…am I supposed to learn to ffish without an indicator, or learn to fish with one? JonCook. PS: Ok, I couldn’t post without adding an IMO, which should just be     taken as that, no more. When I started, I used 1/2 foam square     and I think it really taught me how to manage a long leader in     the currents. Now, I don’t usually use an indicator, though in     poor afternoon light I’ll add 1/4 square. The BIG IMO, though,     is that using those big cork things to *float* a heavily     weighted nymph at a precise depth is ridiculous. Yeah, it     catches fish, but I can’t bring myself to do it…

Reminds me of a famous story — I think it has been attributed to George Bernard Shaw.  Anyway, the story goes that he approached a lady at a dinner party and asked if she’d go to bed with him for $2,000.  She thought a minute and said, "Well, Maybe."  Then he said, "how about for $20." She reacted violently saying, "What do you think I am, a common whore?"  His response, "we’ve already established what you are — now we’re merely haggling about price." I may have the story screwed up but I hope you get the drift. Incidentally, I often fish with indicators with no apologies.  I wonder sometimes if all the discussion about defining flyfishing is really that or the usual search for something — anything — to make one person feel superior to another.  I enjoy all forms of flyfishing about equally and fish with others who seem to get an equal kick out of fishing with lures and bait.  Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult. Regards, Dick Hubbard

Response:

<snip Reminds me of a famous story — I think it has been attributed to George Bernard Shaw.  Anyway, the story goes that he approached a lady at a dinner party and asked if she’d go to bed with him for $2,000.  She thought a minute and said, "Well, Maybe."  Then he said, "how about for $20." She reacted violently saying, "What do you think I am, a common whore?"  His response, "we’ve already established what you are — now we’re merely haggling about price."

<snip I heard it was Winston Churchill. Charlie…

Response:

Incidentally, I often fish with indicators with no apologies.  I wonder sometimes if all the discussion about defining flyfishing is really that or the usual search for something — anything — to make one person feel superior to another.  I enjoy all forms of flyfishing about equally and fish with others who seem to get an equal kick out of fishing with lures and bait.

I tend to agree with your statement Dick, as I’m on the wrong side of 60 now and have had enough "hobbies" to see this pattern of "I’m better than you" syndrome. Many years ago when I first got into civil aviation as a fledgling pilot the conventional gear (ie: tailwheel) fixed gear aircraft were dominant. Years later when retract gear, constant speed props were common, I noticed this attitude: "you’re not a real pilot unless you can fly a taildragger", or a variant, "you’re not a real pilot unless you fly retractable gear aircraft, etc. etc. One year I saw John Denver at an airshow wearing a T-shirt that said "if you ain’t a pilot, you ain’t shit!" In all other endeavors that require a certain amount of skill, it seems people tend toward taking an "attitude" of superiority if someone else does it differently. I have learned to live with that, and like the recent discussions on this NG, I just don’t let it bother me if someone else espouses a position that says I’m not a "real flyfisherman" just because we differ in how we go about it. I see those folks as trying to justify what THEY are doing, and it must feed their ego to look down on others that don’t do it their way. BTW, "real" flyfishermen fish for smallmouth bass!   Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult.

I know what you mean there too, damn, it’s hard to be humble when you’re as good as you and I! Regards, Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

Response:

[snip] " just because we differ in how we go about it. I see those folks as trying to justify what THEY are doing, and it must feed their ego to look down on others that don’t do it their way. BTW, "real" flyfishermen fish for smallmouth bass!

your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Frankly, I try not to believe I’m superior to anyone — even though with my physical beauty and obvious great intelligence, restraining such feelings is sometimes difficult. I know what you mean there too, damn, it’s hard to be humble when you’re as good as you and I! Regards, Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

Response:

your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike

Of the fish or of the flies?

Response:

your not a real flyfisherman unless you bite their heads off! Mike Of the fish or of the flies?

The fish of course.  You eat the whole fly! Sheesh   Mike

Response:

Question:

     I’ll be in the Old Forge, NY area during the last week in July. Does anyone know if it’s worth bringing my flyrod?

Response:

Yes it is if you have an opportunity to fish Nicks Lake. You will need a canoe (which can be rented from Tickners in Old Forge), since motors are not allowed on Nicks. Heavily stocked with brown and brook trout. Throw on a size #18 adams and have fun.

Response:

Definately check out the West Canada Creek when you’re in Old Forge.  Late July, most of August you’ll likely find prolific hatches of what are locally called "whiteflies".  Size 12-14-16 light cahills work fine.  Good luck!

Response:

Question:

A buddy and I are planning a trip to Eugene, Ore. in mid-April. First of all, will the season be open and if so, where might be some good places I can fly fishing for trout while in the area. Access might be an issue, because I’m not sure how much time we’ll have. But any suggestions would be appreciated.

Response:

Jeffrey: From the regs it looks like the trout season opens, generally, on April 27.  The are some options open year round, however.  The lower McKenzie, Middle Fork of the Willamette, North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette, etc.  Additionally, a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive gets you to the Metolious River which is open year round for catch and release fly fishing in the upper strech.  Probably, your best bet is to check w/ the local shops for better info than I have.  Try The Caddis Fly Shop ((541)342-7005) or Home Waters ((541)342-6691). Andy

Response:

Question:

I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my local mail handler…

Response:

(Richard Hall) writes: I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my

local mail handler… I didn’t even know there was a fly fishing mailing list.  How do I subscribe?

Response: