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 I’ll let you turn on the furnace, Peter. Dave

Damn right ’cause I’m not letting you cuddle up to me.   I would very much like to do the Kennebec, the more I hear about it, the more intrigued I am.  Sounds like you had a wonderful time. BTW, I’ve run into John Valk twice since the float trip and he keeps saying nice things about you.  You made an impression.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter writes: BTW, I’ve run into John Valk twice since the float trip and he keeps saying nice things about you.  You made an impression.  :)

He loves me because I can cast over my left shoulder in the rear and the front of the boat, thereby avoiding his ears.  d;o) Can’t wait for May……  I think I will stay with my 8 weight and buy a new Lamson large arbor.  From him, of course. And, you will love the Kennebec.  It is meant for streamer fishing. Dave

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That fish wasn’t nothin but icing on the cake of a fine trip…… john

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<snipped good TR This morning I opted not to fish because it was cold.

I had the same problem this morning. I woke up early to go and decided my bed was *really* nice and warm. Damn this New England/Winter thing! — TL, Tim

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This morning I opted not to fish because it was cold. I had the same problem this morning. I woke up early to go and decided my bed was *really* nice and warm. Damn this New England/Winter thing! — TL, Tim

Wuss.  Went ‘fishing for science’ today on a little gem of an urban pond (in Dave LaCourse’s old neighborhood).  We were helping a water quality monitoring program by harvesting some fish for analysis (the fish are being FedExed to UMaine for heavy metal and PCB testing).  I caught a lot of bluegills on slowly retrieved Zug Bugs and picked up two really nice chain pickerel (over 16" apiece, fat and feisty) and a couple of ‘keeper’ sized bass on unweighted wooly buggers on my 4 wt.  Jim picked up several calicos (black crappie) on a trolled damsel nymph.  It was really nice once the sun came out.

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Great report Dave where on the Kennebec do you go what town that is. They had a TU program a few months ago on the Kennebec River they were catch browns and bows.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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This morning I opted not to fish because it was cold. I had the same problem this morning. I woke up early to go and decided my bed was *really* nice and warm. Damn this New England/Winter thing! — TL, Tim Wuss.

Yeah, I know. I did finally get out at around 10:00 when it warmed up a bit. Caught a *big* brown with two extra flies and some tippet attached. Hopefully, he’s swimming more comfortably now. My hands got very cold once I started fishing. Are there any special or modified gloves you folk would recommend? — TL, Tim

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Jo and I arrived at The East Outlet, Kennebec River, about 2:30 on Friday afternoon.  It was  a beautiful late fall day, with promises of colder temperatures.

    ahh, louie my friend, pretty work.  what a life! yfitons wayno

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Jo and I arrived at The East Outlet, Kennebec River, about 2:30 on Friday afternoon.  It was  a beautiful late fall day, with promises of colder temperatures.   I parked the rv within yards of the river, leveled it, and while Jo unpacked and made camp, I went fishing.   I fished the nice run at the old put-in spot ("stairs"), and fished up-stream for about an hour.  With two hits, two fish on, and none landed, but my hands freezing, I called it quits and returned to the warmth of the rv.  The river was running at 1700 cfs, just a little more than I like it, but the water was cold and the salmon had come up-river from Indian Pond.   After a dinner of grilled hamburgers and home-made baked beans (lots of brown sugar, maple syrup, and a little onion), we settled in and watched a movie. The wind had come up and the falling leaves on the roof made for a wonderful feeling.  We were warm, well fed, entertained, and the sounds of the river and wind added to the ambiance.  We could have used the furnace all night.  We should have used the furnace all night.  Instead, Jo cracked one of the bedroom windows about a half inch, and we settled in for sleep without heat.   Well, it was a two dog night and we only had one, Henry.  Jo got up about midnight and added a down comforter to our 3 blanket pile.  That’s when Henry joined us and promptly settled in under the comforter.  The wind got stronger and the rain started about 1 a.m., beating a cacophony of rhythm on the flat roof.  It was great sleeping. When I awoke, the rain had ended and it was cold.  After a hot breakfast I headed down-stream to my favorite run.   I tied on one of Bruiser’s little nymphs (size 22), and on the second cast I was into a fairly nice salmon.  After a short battle, he broke off.  It would be awhile before I had on another fish.  These flies that Bruiser tied have been very successful on Maine’s rivers.  At first I found it remarkable that such large fish could be brought to hand with such small hooks.   I doubt my parents tied/fished anything smaller than a size 16 back in the forties/fifties.  They would be surprised and happy to seem me catch such beautiful fish on such itty-bitty flies. After lunch and a nap I set up my Sage 6 weight to lob some streamers, and returned to the same run.  It was raining and cold, but I was snuggled under several layers of fleece and a good raincoat.  I had several hits, but no hook-ups.  (Peter:  I was using a variation of the fly I used on the Saugeen.)  When I noticed that I was the only one on the stream, no drift boats, and it was *very* cold and did I mention *snowing*, I headed back to the rv.  I love to fish, but there are limits.  It took a long time to thaw out my hands.  I wish they made a fishing glove that would keep your hands/fingers warm and still allow the dexterity needed to tie knots and control your line.  I use fingerless fleece gloves, and while they do give some protection from the cold even when wet, the tips of my old fingers just can not handle the exposure. I slept very well that night.  The snow turned back to hard rain, and lulled me to sleep.  This morning I opted not to fish because it was cold.  Earlier I said it would be awhile before I had on another fish

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(Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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It’s no worse than the other garbage they put out when they have guns that have a limitless supply of ammo, the semiauto pistol that needs to be cocked for each close-up, or the wrong reel on a fishing rod (I actually once saw someone using a spinning reel on a fly rod and reeling-in with their left hand in reverse direction!). One of the best is the ubiquitous "binocular view" which shows two conjoined circles with a magnification of 100X and no handshake! It makes you wonder who they have as consultants and how to get one of those jobs. Like you I could go on and on. I’m sure others have even more outrageous "pet peeves". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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I’m a pilot so my "favorite" is when people carry on a perfectly normal conversation while flying in a small aircraft. If you’ve ever been in one, you’ll know just how impossible this is… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

Not to mention the way the actor with the camera lunges forward like a swordsman as he takes the shot, hits the trigger before the camera is up to eye level … and then produces pin-sharp no-shake shots! Colin

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  I take it you haven’t seen the movie "Blow Up".   I’m particularly fond of the 100mm lens shown is such ticght close up you can read the manufacturer’s name, which then takes close ups of the mobsters hanging out two blocks down the street.   But let’s face it, tv is tv and the movies are the movies. Ever notice that when the "client" gives the P.I. a snap of the beloved missing wife-husband-brother-daughter it looks a lot like a studio head shot? — Digital photo restoration in autumnal Chapel Hill NC http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/magor/tony New – A Digital Workflow + Sharpness: Threat or Menace? And Selecting Your First SLR  - Java must be enabled Before you buy.

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Although I agree with you, I must say that Hollywood is actually improving itself as we speak… More and more films are made with realism in mind… I have The Boondock Saints in my DVD collection, and in a press conference-scene, you see a journalis with a camera that looks like an EOS 50 (ElanII), with a 300/4L, taking pictures at ~1 meter, with BOTH hands on the camera body… Not very real… I also have U-571, in wich they built two subs (one based mostly on photos, and the other based on blueprints) and LOADS of uniforms as correctly as they could… The inner workings of the subs was reproduced as accurately as they could… Valves, wheels, lights, commands being shouted – everything… It all depends on wether you’re watching a sci-fi (everything from fairly beliavable to utter nonsense) or a "Van Damme" (utter nonsense) to historical (everything from artistic impression ("but if that character dies, the movie will be SOOOO much better") to super-accurate)… — Snorre A. Selmer Helgeshaugen 25 3517 H

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South Africa is not all that bad I do admit to a lot of crime here though Aids is not much of a problem among the white communities they say something like 35% of all Africans are infected From Gavin

That’s what I was talking about.  It’s been in the news over here quite a bit lately.  Didn’t realize that it was localized to the black community. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out. Peter G. Aitken

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If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out.

LOL.  I didn’t think about that but I agree.  Unless it is the only shop within a 100 miles and I need stuff now. I’ve been in a situation where I went fishing to a location that I was told had a local fly-shop.  Therefore, I chose to buy some of my stuff at their shop in hopes of getting some local information.  However, the shop turned out to be a small corner in a gas station.  The only other shop was 3 hours away. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out.  If you were in a society where the average yearly  income is 1/100 of the US, you might view shopping  opportunities in a different light.  Greg.

I could be wrong, but I’m guessing that Gavin’s folks aren’t selling a lot of fly lines to the native South Africans. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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 HMMMM  lessssseee. I net 85K so 1/100 would be $850. HOLY SMOKES Pancho I just spent more for 6 mo. professional hazard insurance than the average annual income of 4/5 of the world.Not to mention the annual dues I pay to the various professional societies.AH the wonders of tax loopholes.  By the way 3 out of 4 people make up 75 % of the worlds population.   OK OK OK  shut up and go fishing. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I walked into a fly shop and they had only 1 type of line in each weight, I would immediately walk out.  If you were in a society where the average yearly  income is 1/100 of the US, you might view shopping  opportunities in a different light.  Greg.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

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But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years!

My mother sells rubbers to sailors. My pop pokes  the holes with a pin. My sister performs the abortions. My God, how the money rolls in! (Just kidding…Mom’s a lawyer, Dad teaches, and the closest thing I have to a sister is their female Golden Retriever) Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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LOL…the minute I read your message and saw the word ‘airflow’ I thought, "*((&%)# line memory!"  Then I read the replies that are above mine and have little to add.   Absolute crap.   I’ve been fly fishing many years now and can think of few things I’ve purchased that have caused me more anger and headaches during the short time I used it. I now keep what’s left of it in my large fishing box to use for emergency shoe laces, tent rope, etc. Until recently I had a large enough house lot so that I could stretch my fly lines out in the sun full length under tension to get out any line memory, prior to most trips.  It worked great on everything but the Airflow, which still looked like a floating slinky on the surface when used the next day. I’m not as conversant as some on the new lines, so can’t recommend any particular brand, but just wanted to add my $.02 worth about ‘Airflow.’ Max Before you buy.

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Trash the AirFlo lines, stock a full line of AirFlo leaders, get SA and Cortland fly lines, give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Gavin, I thought you were the 16 year old kid.  Didn’t you say that you started fly-fishing 6 years ago when you were 10?  Now, you have your own fly-shop in South Africa? — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

Again, trash the airflow lines.  I like the Rio lines.  However, Corland is a big company and might be easier to get in South Africa. Their lines are okay depending on which one you get. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Trash the AirFlo lines, stock a full line of AirFlo leaders, get SA and Cortland fly lines, give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. — Wayne

___  The voice of experience!  Good advice. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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… give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years.

But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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That is "Airflo", not "airflow", which is immaterial in any case as it is only fit for the bin. If you do not already know the answers to these questions, quite apart from the prices involved, then you should not be opening a fly shop. The "craze" at the moment appears to be inline skates. TL MC "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2000 19:56 if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

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… give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

If they live that long.  Odds aren’t as good as they used to be in SA. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … give out free condoms with each purchase over $50 or you’ll have no customers in 5 years. But poke holes in them with a pin first and you might (with luck) have a few new customers in … maybe … 15-20 years! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon If they live that long.  Odds aren’t as good as they used to be in SA. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

South Africa is not all that bad I do admit to a lot of crime here though Aids is not much of a problem among the white communities they say something like 35% of all Africans are infected From Gavin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is "Airflo", not "airflow", which is immaterial in any case as it is only fit for the bin. If you do not already know the answers to these questions, quite apart from the prices involved, then you should not be opening a fly shop. The "craze" at the moment appears to be inline skates. TL MC "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

Im just wanted to know as we have sold most of AIRFLO stock and plan to get more I said if 1 was limited to $50 which is about R320 with our exchange rate at the moment Oh I dont own a shop I am helping my friend who does regards Gavin

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if one was limited to 1 line for each line weight #2-#12 and could only spend about $50 on each line what kind,weight,taper,density(floating sinking etc.)price and color would it be is there a preference for certain line which lines are the most popular which line would you recommend for a beginner what do you think of multi tips etc. these answers will help in restocking a new fly shop in south africa we have got airflow flylines but want to now what the craze is now information will be greatly appreciated tight lines from Gavin

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I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John

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John, There are a couple of good oregon books: Soggy Sneakers and Oregon River Tours. Bend is a pretty place, lots of great fly fishing nearby (my fav. hobby). As far as boating rivers: The Deschutes river is nearby, it actually flows through bend (the upper section), but the lower section is the one most often boated.  It is probably the most popular rafting river in oregon.  The river has 5 or 6 class IV rapids and a couple of falls that are pretty much unrunable (unless you’re one of those crazy guys I see on tv).  The river also has a myriad of class 1 through 3 rapids.  The floatable section is close to 90 miles long.  However it is conviently broken by access points into two three day floats, with a couple of one day floats possible as well. The river gets very heavy traffic however.  In the middle of july, expect to count up to two dozen rafts in each direction.  Midweek brings much smaller crowds.  The Rangers have done a really good job discouraging the drunken Frat House parties, thus everyone is pretty pleasant. You also have access (2 or three hour drive) to the Rogue River.  It’s a scenic river with limited entry in the summer.  It is amazing! Since I raft and driftboat, I don’t have experience with smaller boats in Oregon. However, I think that other rivers close to bend may well accomodated kayaks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John

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This has been a very different Spring, pre-runoff season here in Colorado. My local river is fishing more like it normally does in late Summer than during a typical Spring. They are beginning to draw water for the farmers and runoff hasn’t started. Weather has been warm and the river is VERY low and warm for this time of year. Hatches have started but are limited in variety. BWO’s, heavy on cloudy days and sporadic on sunny ones. Midges pretty consistent. No caddis or stoneflies. Just like late summer. I really enjoy this type of fishing. All day on cloudy days and in the morning and late in the day on sunny ones, the fish move into the heads of the pools and feed. They are surface feeding as well as chasing nymphs, often leaving wakes while feeding in water less than a foot in depth. This is slow, meticulous fishing that suits my unasked for "maturity."  Stalking, crawling, and creeping into casting position without spooking the fish is the first requirement for success. This can frequently take up to ten minutes, resting the fish after each short crawl. Long tapered leaders that can turn over a long light tippet are a help as is a slow rod that will cast a long leader with little or no line beyond the tip. Slow careful approaches that get you close enough for a short cast with very little line on the water are much more effective than longer casts that can line cruising fish. In situations that require longer casts, I really like the new, for me, Cortland Clear Creek line with its long front taper.     Many of these fish are cruising the slack shallow water picking off whatever they find instead of setting up feeding stations like the fish feeding in areas with current. These are the toughest ones. It’s hard to predict where they will feed next and the lack of current give them a long look at your fly. Any line slap near them, sends them scurrying off leaving a wake, often putting the other fish down. The fish feeding in the tongues of current are much easier. The current helps hide imperfect presentations and the fish don’t have the time to scrutinize your fly. The rule of fishing the fish closest to you really applies in this situation. Spooking a fish near you will often results in a ruckus that will put down the other fish or even send them all off to deeper water. Playing a hooked fish without spooking the rest takes some luck and some strategy. I find that steady sideways pressure leading the fish away from the others and toward deeper water immediately after the strike SOMETIMES works. If it doesn’t, you generally have two choices, rest the fish and hope they’ll return to feeding or look for a new pod of fish. I’ve caught some surprisingly large fish during these shallow water feeding sprees. Catching a 20+ inch fish in water this shallow is a kick! Willi

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Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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This sounds like a great idea!! It would be good to know where the fishing is hot..and where it is not!! { In New Zealand that is!} Sharing what size trout everyone caught over the weekend and what fly they used!! I’m keen for this site!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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Ps is everyone here from America.

rec.outdorrs.fishing.fly gets, like nearly all international newsgroups, mostly postings from Americans. There are people from other countries reading this group and writing articles but they are a minority. You might consider subscribing to the European Flyfishers mailing list. If you are interested, just mail me, I’ll give you information, about how to subscribe. regard Wolfgang  

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[snip] Ps is everyone here from America. Clea.

No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American. Peter

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Peter Charles wrote [snip] Ps is everyone here from America. No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American.

Rumor has it that to do so, you have to practice for years to keep from automatically ending every sentence with "eh".  8-) Is this true?–                                                       -dnc-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles wrote [snip] Ps is everyone here from America. No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American. Rumor has it that to do so, you have to practice for years to keep from automatically ending every sentence with "eh".  8-) Is this true?–                                                      -dnc-

Very true.  Most of us can handle ‘eh’ in moderation.  But for the poor addicted abusers, well they can always turn to EhEh for help. Peter

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Just for interest, I

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance, DJ

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance,

DJ – I don’t have the answers to your questions, but there is a classic book about fly-fishing the UP 50 years ago.  If you read it, you might find the trip more interesting.  It’s called Trout Madness by Robert Travers.  Have a great trip.       Gene

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this sounds like advertising…is it?

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ANYONE INTERESTED IN TRYING OUT SAIL-KAYAKS IN THE KEYS, CONTACT US. WE ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PADDLERS OUT OF MARATHON ORGANIZING DAY AND WEED-END TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND FULL MOON PADDLES. THERE IS EVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME GREAT FLY-FISHING ON THE MANY FLATS NEAR BY, AND IT’S NOT UNUSUAL TO PADDLE WITH DOLPHINS. SO COME JOIN US IN THE SUNNY AND WARM FLORIDA KEYS.

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check out the fly fishing page at this site.  The fly fishing info changes on a monthly basis. http://www.accelerated.com

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