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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

Evil, Karen, eeevill (snicker) — Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore.  Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Dear Miss Christina, We are the greebling experts!  You can trust us kitties.  You can’t trust your poor weak hoomin eyes.  Believe me, they can get anywhere. They change shape, and get flat, or long or whatever they need to do to hide from you.  But we can see ‘em, hear ‘em and smell ‘em.  Please don’t take any risks with those horrid greeblings just waiting around to take over the house– or fly down your throat when you’re sleeping! Eeeww!  I get all creepy just thinking about it.  Believe me, I know it’s not yours or my mommy’s faults that you can’t see them. You just have to relax and let us do our jobs.  We’ll take care of everything. Love, Stinky Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Boyfriend is right. We have rug greeblings in the kitchen and the family room.  Sometimes I have to move the entire rug back to get to them. Meowmy will come home and find the kitchen rug upside down and in the dining room, but she doesn’t find greeblings. That’s because I ate them all. Boyfriend is doing the right thing. Samuel R. Thunderpaws The Great Greebling Hunter

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep.

When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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<SNIP Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

OH MY!!!! I’d compleetly foregotten about newspaper greeblings.  But, from the state of the last newspaper I brought in the house & left on the couch when I went to work…. I think the furballs got them all. —

Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Isn’t it funny how cats will always groom themselves nonchalantly whenever they do something stupid, my dogs just used to look embarrassed,but a cat makes sure you ‘know’ he did it on purpose That was a funny story Yowie, Wilson always chased the mop when he was little, it was especially funny when he chased the polish mop, he would skid everywhere.   Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings.

Ah now I see!  They’d be under the floorboards in my place though, and anywhere in the house when the gat needs to go the toilet, he does a loud howl and runs around like a maniac then does his business, odd creature!

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the- kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore. Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

L O Nina & Francesca I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

Boyfriend, You are the dearest little fellow.  I send you special skritches from across the sea. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  

Is there ever! They belong to the family of under-the-rug greeblings, and Mere has been showing me how lacking Frank and Nikki have been lately in hunting them. It seems that they have let the greeblings multiply enormously, though Nikki does hunt them half-heartedly every now and then. However, Mere is on their case, and is taking care that they (the greeblings) keep on their toes. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are greeblings? Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yes, and that’s why Nina was making it virtually impossible to put clean sheets on my bed, yesterday. =o) She was having a grand Greebling hunt. Melissa

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

If I ever see one, I’ll let you know.  (Actually, only cats can see these mysterious creatures).   MLB

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What are greeblings?

Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings. — CATherine

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

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"A-Sad-Eye" wrote… Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America…

Did I read that right?? Norht Carolina = South America? That explains why I can’t understand anyone when I go through a drive-up window. <g John, it sounds like you’re in for a long month. –Steve

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"A-Sad-Eye" wrote… NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America… Did I read that right??

No. Try again and this time parse it like John already intends to retire near his wife’s home in South America. — Ken Fortenberry

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Thanks for the analysis re these hazards to graphite rods.  Makes sense.  However, most non-purist ffers are not going to stop fishing nymphs, which have to be weighted by some method, whether beadheads, lead wrap, or split shot. To the extent possible we have to avoid banging our rod tip when casting, by refining or modifying our casting technique. Casting with a more open loop works for me. PatK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hooks are bad enough on graphite tips but bead heads and lead weighted nymphs are worse.  As many of the modern gentry use space age gadgets to tie their flies with, they snap more and more graphite tips because the bead head flies smack at high velocity against the graphite rod tips nicking them.  Oh, they may not snap right away, or next week or the next day but they  will snap soon enough. Nicking graphite is exactly like scratching a pane of glass. Apply the pressure at just the right spot and the glass follows the scratch longitude.  The cross section loads on a tip that is only 3/32 more or less in diameter has Pound Per Inch loads on the cross section that can exceed 185,000 – 250,000 psi at any given time.  Put one imperfection into that circumference and you will have a fiber explosion that can sound like a small bolt of lightening when she pops!  Anyone that sends a graphite tip back to a manufacturer  that has snapped but who has fished Bead Heads with it, are not being fair to the companies that make them.  Frankly, I don’t think any Graphite Fly Rod Company today realizes this fact regarding why they are getting so many fly rods back with broken tips. Frankly, fly fishing to me means "All’s Fair With Fur or Feather," just as in upland hunting over a nice brace of Llewellyn Setters.  But it isn’t fair when fly fishermen are beating perfectly made fly rod tips with Brass, Metal or Lead Bead Heads other than normal hook hazards which is bad enough as it is, breaking them and then claiming foul. The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.  A little mix of the spinning world into fly fishing is the rogue these days and still claiming its fly fishing in the purist sense of the word. Well, it may be fly fishing but it isn’t pure to the traditions of old. It is compromises in order to take advantage using ingenious methods. The array of glittering materials have seen a huge explosion such as crystal hair, etc.  But Flashabou or Crystal Hair doesn’t smash against the rod tips like bird shot like items do, damaging the fly rods to certain ruin, sooner or later. I think it is only fair that we all consider being absolutely fair with fly rod companies turning out excellent products.  "Well, I slammed the car door on it and it broke," is the complaint and if the fly rod company doesn’t replace it for free . . . oh my! This is why I never use bead head flies and/or nymphs.  At least, not yet I haven’t.  It just doesn’t hold the magic for me as it does for others.  I guess it all depends upon which generation you learned to fly fish in. I have no regrets. Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Hooks are bad enough on graphite tips but bead heads and lead weighted nymphs are worse.  As many of the modern gentry use space age gadgets to tie their flies with, they snap more and more graphite tips because the bead head flies smack at high velocity against the graphite rod tips nicking them.  Oh, they may not snap right away, or next week or the next day but they  will snap soon enough. Nicking graphite is exactly like scratching a pane of glass.  Apply the pressure at just the right spot and the glass follows the scratch longitude.  The cross section loads on a tip that is only 3/32 more or less in diameter has Pound Per Inch loads on the cross section that can exceed 185,000 – 250,000 psi at any given time.  Put one imperfection into that circumference and you will have a fiber explosion that can sound like a small bolt of lightening when she pops!  Anyone that sends a graphite tip back to a manufacturer  that has snapped but who has fished Bead Heads with it, are not being fair to the companies that make them.  Frankly, I don’t think any Graphite Fly Rod Company today realizes this fact regarding why they are getting so many fly rods back with broken tips. Frankly, fly fishing to me means "All’s Fair With Fur or Feather," just as in upland hunting over a nice brace of Llewellyn Setters.  But it isn’t fair when fly fishermen are beating perfectly made fly rod tips with Brass, Metal or Lead Bead Heads other than normal hook hazards which is bad enough as it is, breaking them and then claiming foul. The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.  A little mix of the spinning world into fly fishing is the rogue these days and still claiming its fly fishing in the purist sense of the word. Well, it may be fly fishing but it isn’t pure to the traditions of old. It is compromises in order to take advantage using ingenious methods. The array of glittering materials have seen a huge explosion such as crystal hair, etc.  But Flashabou or Crystal Hair doesn’t smash against the rod tips like bird shot like items do, damaging the fly rods to certain ruin, sooner or later. I think it is only fair that we all consider being absolutely fair with fly rod companies turning out excellent products.  "Well, I slammed the car door on it and it broke," is the complaint and if the fly rod company doesn’t replace it for free . . . oh my!   This is why I never use bead head flies and/or nymphs.  At least, not yet I haven’t.  It just doesn’t hold the magic for me as it does for others.  I guess it all depends upon which generation you learned to fly fish in. I have no regrets. Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose.

It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff

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The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff

______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads.   — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Man I’ve got so much to say…… Opie…you’re good and I’m sorry to hear about Mom.  Wish her the best. I know how you care for her and have you seen Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America. But I almost blew it because Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because… Wayne, even tho’ I hate brand name labels….Orvis does make some good shit and I’d buy one of everything if I could afford it, but I couldn’t and I didn’t and I really wish – Wofgang would have been there to drive me back to the hotel because I got really lost and at times found myself in the deepest darkest alleys but now I’m home and the wife left  to visit her folks for a month and although I have scoured this town , nowhere is to be found, Low Down Brown and I wish… Ken were here to recommend a substitute, because… Charlie, I’ve only my beer and I’m down to stems and seeds again, and I’m   – Daytripper just about every damn day until she gets back and although I want to head south I might not make it because the horror and agony of knowing that countless gazzillions of insects died because they couldn’t xink to the bottom ….. ……well…..never mind.  But if there is something to get a nymph…or wooly down to the bottom  in some of the places I fish…..bring a camera ’cause I will xuck your dick……. …a month she is going to be gone gentlemen.  A month. This could get ugly…… john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff ______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Man I’ve got so much to say…… Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because…

        well, john, i doubt i will be able to make the connection, but here’s a little help to put in your pocket when things get tough; just follow the bouncing ball:         then take me disappearin through the smoke rings of my mind,         down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,         the haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,         far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.         yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,         silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,             with all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,         let me forget about today until tomorrow.                 b. dylan  (but you knew that) your friend in the old north state wayno

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…I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

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I like that! — Opie  –Planning for the Past– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

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…I don’t know Mr. G., but in my book an unconditional warranty on a rod is just that. ..and if we all want to be purists, wouldn’t we be using bamboo and braided hair lines?

purist because the term purist has not been defined except in the loosest sense.  I said, I was glad I learned to fly fish in my generation.  That in itself is definition enough.  I see you confirm that below.  Thank you for your thoughts and input.  There is a big difference between fly fishing and jig fishing with plastic worm these days.     I think you might be right though when you suggest that a definition of fly fishing might depend upon which generation you learned to fish in. Or, more than it being something to do with different generations, it could be that how you are introduced to fly fishing plays a larger part in shaping definitions. After all,the generation gap is a lot more narrow than we sometimes can recognize (lord knows, my once incredibly dense father keeps getting smarter and smarter the older I get).   In my case, no one I ever grew up with threw a fly; a casting book by Joan Wulff was my introduction. So I’ve never really had anyone tell me that "x" is fly fishing and "y" is not. My feeling is that if it’s an artificial lure and If I can cast it, then the fish and the trees should best beware.     …thanks for the great post, you got me thinking about my Pops.. and on fathers day at that. Later, Patrick

– Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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If this is just the beginnings of *could get bad,* I fear the future! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man I’ve got so much to say…… Opie…you’re good and I’m sorry to hear about Mom.  Wish her the best. I know how you care for her and have you seen Walt…how much would it take to open up a fly shop?….NC is the first place I have ever been that made me think twice about retiring in South America. But I almost blew it because Wayno…..I  could have used you in Chicago because the weather was rainy and it got real drunk out before I went into the Orvis shop and thought, I wish Wayne was here because… Wayne, even tho’ I hate brand name labels….Orvis does make some good shit and I’d buy one of everything if I could afford it, but I couldn’t and I didn’t and I really wish – Wofgang would have been there to drive me back to the hotel because I got really lost and at times found myself in the deepest darkest alleys but now I’m home and the wife left  to visit her folks for a month and although I have scoured this town , nowhere is to be found, Low Down Brown and I wish… Ken were here to recommend a substitute, because… Charlie, I’ve only my beer and I’m down to stems and seeds again, and I’m   – Daytripper just about every damn day until she gets back and although I want to head south I might not make it because the horror and agony of knowing that countless gazzillions of insects died because they couldn’t xink to the bottom ….. ……well…..never mind.  But if there is something to get a nymph…or wooly down to the bottom  in some of the places I fish…..bring a camera ’cause I will xuck your dick……. …a month she is going to be gone gentlemen.  A month. This could get ugly…… john The extra glitter most get with bead heads is the same as fishing with pistol petes and calling it fly fishing, I suppose. It’s quite easy to get a little flash with other materials, as you pointed out.  I would guess that beadheads seem to catch more fish simply because it’s like a built in split shot – most people catch more fish simply because the nymph ends up deeper. Regards, Jeff ______  A spherical bead head always has a flash spot or bright spot on it.  A glint that attracts whenever it gets into sunlight.  Besides what you point out about getting nymphs down to xink to the bottom, there are other ways besides beads. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Great site OLE! Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

Before you buy.

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Nice site, great pics. This is a really good job, thanks for the link. Trey Monroe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

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I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions. Also I have a pair of orvis clearwater breathable waders.  And special cleaning considerations after using in salt water? Thanks, –Gerard Department of Mathematics and Statistics 16 Colchester Avenue                     phone:  (802) 656 – 3372 University of Vermont                            (802) 656 – 2940 Burlington, VT 05405-1455                  FAX:  (802) 656 – 2552

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions.

#10 shooting head.  The rod is a little much for bass, I think.  You should get a BASTARD BAMBOO for a 7 Wt which you can load with a #8 shooting head. Just kidding about the rod having to be a GG BASTARD BAMBOO.  Any old brand will do but do consider a step down in casting power for bass.  You don’t need a light Tarpon Rod to catch bass with. George Gehrke All Writings

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

Michael, The phone number for NYSOGA is 518 798 1253.  Good luck. James Ehlers NYSOGA Member Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Mike – Contact the DEC in Raybrooke, NY (area code 518) and they can refer you to the proper office which will mail out an aplication form as well as requirements. What is required for the Backpacking/Hiking & Camping Licence: (If I remember correctly) -Passing a Physical Exam from your Doctor, -Basic First Aid AND Water Safety Course OR  Advanced First Aid (Includes Water Safety course) -Taking a 2 or 3 hour test at your Regional DEC Office (Core plus area of  specialty  -Climbing/Hiking & Backpacking/Canoeing/Camping…) -Fee of around $50-$75 Good Luck Rick Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never done it before, but I have decided to try for freshwater prawns. These live in the streams on the Big Island of Hawaii. Maybe someone could share some pointers on fishing techniques. I’ve heard of people using crab nets.  They seem too fast for wading in with scooping nets.  Are there traps that one can build? -thanx -dan Are you talking about crawfish? or commonly called crawdads. If so, you can catch them with a baited trap or at night in the shallows with a light. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

Here is info from an expert:         As a former 10 year resident of Kauai this is how all the locals trap prawns.         They get the standard wire mesh with 1/4 inch square spaces. Bend the mesh until you have made a tube about 18 inches long open at both ends. Close off one end flat with the left over mesh. You then suspend half of a coconut shell with the coconut meat still in the shell in the back of the tube where you have closed it off with the meat facing the open end. You then take a piece of the same wire mesh and form a cone with the small end roughly about the size of a tennis ball depending on the size of the prawns in the pond you are looking to harvest. Insert the cone in the open end of the tube and affix to tube (this prevents them from leaving the trap). Tie a string to the end and leave over night and the next morning you should have a nice breakfast waiting for you.         If you have never seen a prawn they look almost exactly like crawdads but their pinchers are about ten times as long and their bodies can be as long as 12 to 14 inches. A true Hawaiian delicacy! Aloha, Shane — Roller Hockey International Grass Valley League Office 13070 Fawn Hill Dr. Grass Valley, CA  95945 ph: 916-272-7825        FAX: 916-272-7858         Standings/Statistics    http://www.oro.net/~rhiglo/

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I’ve never done it before, but I have decided to try for freshwater prawns. These live in the streams on the Big Island of Hawaii.   Maybe someone could share some pointers on fishing techniques. I’ve heard of people using crab nets.  They seem too fast for wading in with scooping nets.  Are there traps that one can build? -thanx -dan

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I’ve never done it before, but I have decided to try for freshwater prawns. These live in the streams on the Big Island of Hawaii.   Maybe someone could share some pointers on fishing techniques. I’ve heard of people using crab nets.  They seem too fast for wading in with scooping nets.  Are there traps that one can build? -thanx -dan

Are you talking about crawfish? or commonly called crawdads. If so, you can catch them with a baited trap or at night in the shallows with a light. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore. Op

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I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore.

"Let’s do it." — Charlie…

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I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler.  In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and all sorts of stuff you will find useful it is a government website enjoy…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler. In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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http://www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and stocking info as well as water testsing stats all you should need to fish in bc enjoy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler. In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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I am going to a place called "Ts’yl-os Park Lodge" this summer which is on Chilko Lake in B.C. You fly there from Vancouver. It has been run by the same family for 30 years and has very limited access. They have 12 miles of river and 2 mountain lakes. The fishing is supposed to be wonderful. The setting is supposed to be gorgeous. During the summer, large rainbows are supposed to be keyed into large dry flies, salmon in the fall. I had a friend tell me that he enjoyed it as much as Alaska. The price for a week of guided fishing including lodging and meals is $1,495 (US). The round trip plane from Vancouver is another $300. Their phone:604-398-4103. I would be interested in any other responses you get. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I think that should be Sumallo Grove. It’s where the Sumallo River joins the Skagit. "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock

That should be Skagit not Skeena. full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

Try a Hares Ear Nymph too. Brad

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Don’t fool around….take the Coquihalla and come to Kamloops.  From the city we have hundreds of lakes with Kamloops (rainbow) Trout. Check the www site http://www.netshop.net/Scouts/ for more information.  This is where they held the World Fly Fishing Championships in 1993….and as an avid FFF (Fly Fishing Fool) I sorry to say I will not be able to fish all the lakes in this area if I had 2 lifetimes to do it. Let me know if you decide to come into this area, and I will advsie as to fly’s etc. Tight Lines, Ken —— — K.W. (Ken) Martens, A.H.C. Kamloops, BC  Canada Member of the Door Hardware Institute

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Vancouver.  Just go up the "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

It’s Sumallo and has nothing to do with the Skeena watershed.  It actually flows into the Skagit River.   If they can get to Vancouver Island there is a big run of Pink Salmon.  The closest river is the Oyster.  There will be Coho in Tofino that are fun to catch on a fly. For a list of flyshops that you can call or visit check out my Flyfishing pages.   Roy

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Hi Roy…..I’m heading to Hi Huim Lake next weekend ….have any tips or fly suggestions ? Thanks in advance

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

"freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10! Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy

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Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ??? Any info is much appreciated.

One thing you should keep in mind is that if you are wearing cleats you must be aware of where your line is .As in don’t step on your line.I have ruined many a line . The cleats will cut right into the line. Good fishin to you,and watch your step.           Lou H.

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The Surfcaster in Connecticut offers an new design in korkers that does not slip off.  ….bought a pair this past winter and have been quite pleased. DBZ

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I have a pair of the felt soled sandles that I’m not too proud of They don’t stay on the boots too well and flop around out of the water.  I have used the "V-cleats" that were on a slip-on rubber shoe…looked like the rubbers your grandpa wore over his sunday best shoes.  They worked great…would recommend them to anyone. Cleats or swimmin?, an easy decision for me Bill

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Kiene) writes: They are a little heavy and tend to come off in the water if your not careful.

They’re more than a little heavy, but if laced across the top of the boot correctly they never come off.  Back in the mid 80’s folks would lace them around the edges (old directions used to suggest that as the proper way) instead of crossing the laces like a regular pair of shoes and that’s where the problem came from.  I specifically bought mine because I fished the North Umpqua a lot, and you don’t even want to think about wading that river without some kind of cleats.  On a scale of 1 to 10 in wading difficulty, it’s a solid 9.  Even with cleats I would often end up swimming at least once a day.                                                              Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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One thing you should keep in mind is that if you are wearing cleats you must be aware of where your line is .As in don’t step on your line.I have ruined many a line . The cleats will cut right into the line.

This is true with the stream cleats that are bent aluminum bars set in rubber galoshes. The edges are real sharp when new and will cut your line in a flash.  After they’ve been distorted a bit from use they don’t eat lines quite so quickly but watch your step.  The Korkers (sandals with carbide tipped steel studs) won’t cut the line but are a lot heavier.                                                     Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ???

I have used the original Korker sandals from Oregon.  They are a little heavy and tend to come off in the water if your not careful. They have carbide tipped,  replaceable studs and grip very well. They were made famous buy steel headers on the North Umpqua river in Oregon. The original ones had nylon laces, but they have a new model with adjustable web straps with buckles.   Dan Bailey’s Stream Cleats from Montana are rubber goulashes with aluminum grids.  They work well and slip on and off easily.  The rubber can tear and the aluminum wears out,  but the are effective on large rivers. Today, most people use wadding shoes with studded felt soles for large rivers.  They are all one piece and wear well.  Not everyone likes metal on the bottom of the wadding boots.  Some still prefer felt.

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I’ve used korkers and they’re fine- a bit expensive and heavy but they work well in very slick streams.    I dont like the extra weight, so I’ve taken to placing a couple of dozen small hex headed sheet metal screws in the boot felt.  (the exact size escapes me but they are about 3/8" long +/-)   I’ve set some in expoy but to be honest it didnt seem to make any difference.  Most of the screws will last a season before they wear off or pull out.   All things considered, its a 50 cent and five minute solution.

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   I bought a pair of "CORKERS" yes that’s the brand name. 40.00 per pair, but I love-em !!!  Never had a slip problem, and the tie right onto your existing boots. (i leave em tied right onto the boots all the time).  I bought them for fishing for steelies in the winter time up in pulaski N.Y. on the salmon river. (all the river banks are frozen big time, and They’re steel tipped, so I never slip.  Look em up, they’re worth every penny.                        Hugh

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ??? Any info is much appreciated.

I fished for several years with aluminum cleated overshoes (from Dan Bailey, I believe).  Excellent traction; much better than felt.  They look really goofy, though.  I now have been using Orvis wading boots with felt soles and boron tips.  Best of all worlds and a little snugger fit overall.  Price is just about the same; the shoes are a bit more expensive but last longer (I’d rip the hell out of the overshoe).  Most importantly, with the shoes on I look like a FF poster child  :-)

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Stream cleats and spikes are incredibly effective on some rivers and streams, particularly for aggressive waders who end up needing the equivalent of four-wheel drive to get out of trouble. One piece of river etiquette that is forgotten all too often, however:  if you are floating, your guide or host would appreciate being asked whether or not it’s appropriate to wear cleats or spikes in the boat, since they can make quite a permanent mess on someone’s floorboards or non-scuff paint. As an alternative you might look at either the removable kind (sort of like shoe rubbers) or a folding wading staff. Good Luck, Peter Yoakum, Editor Flyfishers Online — Flyfishers Online at http://flyfishers.com

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ??? Any info is much appreciated.

   Depends on what you do and where you go. Cleats are hell on a drift boat or raft, useless in sand, mud or gravel and tend to trip you up (especially when they’re new and sharp).  On the other hand felts on slick grassy banks, polished granite boulders or when it’s below freezing are not much fun.    Hardened steel studs or Korkers are the best for walking around on pock marked volcanic substrate or when walking on slimy logs. For hard slick stuff like polished granite or marble, aluminum is best because it smears against the rock to provide traction where hard points skid.    -Ralph —

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Corkers for Wading Yes, they’re great but here’s a couple of tips: Put a wood screw horizontally through the corker into the heel of your wader or wading boot from each side. ( 2 on each boot, # 8 x1 1/4 " wood screw  works O.K. ) This will save replacing corkers lost in fast water. Say a prayer before descending a steep snow-covered hill, corkers are like skis on snow.

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ??? Any info is much appreciated.

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I’m considering buying a pair of stream cleats. Are they worthwhile ??? Better than the felt soles ??? There are a number of different types ranging from stubs that look like football cleats to long metal "V" shaped irons…is there any advantage to which type is best ??? Any info is much appreciated.

Since I’ve first worn ‘Korkers’ 15 years ago Salmon fishing..I never go into a stream without them unless it’s a sandy bottom or like that. I’ve gotten so used to being able to worry less about my footing and concentrating more on the fishing that I feel uncomfortable in the stream without them. The Korkers brand by far is the best as they use carbide caulks that outlast any of the others I’ve tried. A good investment…. Tight Lines!! JAPPLE

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,    I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I,  but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to go for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for every situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a fanny pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any suggestions? BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass aren’t hitting. Thanks, Paul              

I use the fanny pack method myself when bank fishing local lakes, ponds, and rivers.  It beats hell out of luggin around a heavy tackle box.  My fanny pack is not specifically designed for fishing, it’s just a square shaped pack that’s big enough to hold a couple of Plano Mini-Magmum boxes or a few zip-lock bags of Power Worms/Lizards/Grubs.  It has a smaller pocket for a hook remover or stringer (if I happen to catch one I want to keep  I have my Gerber Multi-Plers on the pack’s belt with a safety lanyard in case I drop them. What I do is load my fanny pack for each trip depending on what I’m fishing for and what tackle I’m using.  If I’m wormin’, I put in a few bags of worms and/or lizards and a Mini-Magnum with worm hooks, sinkers, beads, swivels, etc.  I also usually throw in a buzz bait, in case the mood strikes. I suggest you try this method.  Use your big tackle boxes to store the stuff, and, when you are getting ready to go fishing, pick out what you want to use for the day and put that in the fanny pack.  You can take a tackle box along and leave it in the car in case you loose something or if you find out they’re hitting something else that day. If you’re boat fishing, you can take a big box and leave the fanny pack at home if you want. I’m working on a way to carry a second rod & reel without tying up my other hand so I can switch easily between bait casting and spinning.  I’ll let you know on this newsgroup when I come up with a good method. Richard

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: : Hello, :  I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I, :  but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have : filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to : go : for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for : every : situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a : fanny : pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and : tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any : suggestions? : BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. : Any advice would be greatly appreciated. : Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass : aren’t : hitting. : Thanks, : Paul             : I use the fanny pack method myself when bank fishing local lakes, ponds, and : rivers.  It beats hell out of luggin around a heavy tackle box.  My fanny pack : is not specifically designed for fishing, it’s just a square shaped pack that’s : big enough to hold a couple of Plano Mini-Magmum boxes or a few zip-lock bags : of Power Worms/Lizards/Grubs.  It has a smaller pocket for a hook remover or : stringer (if I happen to catch one I want to keep  I have my Gerber : Multi-Plers on the pack’s belt with a safety lanyard in case I drop them. : What I do is load my fanny pack for each trip depending on what I’m fishing for : and what tackle I’m using.  If I’m wormin’, I put in a few bags of worms and/or : lizards and a Mini-Magnum with worm hooks, sinkers, beads, swivels, etc.  I : also usually throw in a buzz bait, in case the mood strikes. : I suggest you try this method.  Use your big tackle boxes to store the stuff, : and, when you are getting ready to go fishing, pick out what you want to use : for the day and put that in the fanny pack.  You can take a tackle box along : and leave it in the car in case you loose something or if you find out : they’re hitting something else that day. : If you’re boat fishing, you can take a big box and leave the fanny pack at home : if you want. : I’m working on a way to carry a second rod & reel without tying up my other : hand so I can switch easily between bait casting and spinning.  I’ll let you : know on this newsgroup when I come up with a good method. : Richard Rubber worms, a couple of spoons, a pack of perch hooks, several weighted head hooks (texas rig), couple a’ packs of hooks of various sizes, plastic minnows, a crank bait, and a spinner or two.  If you can’t find something they’ll bite on in that bunch, they ain’t bitin’.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,    I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I, but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to go for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for every situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a fanny pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any suggestions? BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass aren’t hitting. Thanks, Paul                I wholeheartedly would take a Rapala minnow(s) (rainbow trout or

black/silver or black/gold) with me. They work great on top and as a shallow crankbait. Big bream love the smaller size, too. Also take a jointed minnow. And you can’t go wrong with a spinnerbait or two (one yellow and one blue/black)  good luck, –   JASON

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: I’m heading to Colo. next week to ski, but the snow looks a little thin : and I’m thinking of bringing some fly tackle.  I haven’t fished Colo. in : years, but have fond memories of the Blue some thirty years ago, learning         I think there is typically some activity on the Blue this time of year.  As you are going to be skiing (maybe close to summit county) it would be a convenient place to go.  Any of the local fly shops should be very helpful in outfitting you with a decent selection of flies and should also give you some idea of where to go.           If you wouldn’t mind a drive, you might try the South Platte good luck

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| |   If you wouldn’t mind a drive, you might try the South Platte |   Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it still running??

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:    Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it :  still running?? :   : The So. Platte in Cheesman Canyon is a tailwater. so there is always open water (unless temperature get very low : and cause some icing). It’s a hour drive west of Denver on pavement and a 15-min. to half-hour hike on trail into 3 mile long : canyon stretch. Many large but educated rainbows there. I would suggest hiring a guide to get you into fish quickly. Call : "The Flyfisher" flyshop at 303-322-5014 if your interested, as the Canyon can be very cruel to a newcomer. : Yours virtually, : Gary W. Godden : Denver, Colorado         If you are planning ahead of time and can get your hands on the book "Flyfishing the South Platte River" by Roger Hill, you could probably save money (I’m broke) and do reasonably well.  It is a very well written book and details the important flies and hatches all year long (including Jan.).

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   Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it  still running?? The So. Platte in Cheesman Canyon is a tailwater. so there is always open water (unless temperature get very low

and cause some icing). It’s a hour drive west of Denver on pavement and a 15-min. to half-hour hike on trail into 3 mile long canyon stretch. Many large but educated rainbows there. I would suggest hiring a guide to get you into fish quickly. Call "The Flyfisher" flyshop at 303-322-5014 if your interested, as the Canyon can be very cruel to a newcomer. Yours virtually, Gary W. Godden Denver, Colorado

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I’m heading to Colo. next week to ski, but the snow looks a little thin and I’m thinking of bringing some fly tackle.  I haven’t fished Colo. in years, but have fond memories of the Blue some thirty years ago, learning the fundamentals.  Any info on impact to the resource, locations, gear and tackle wold be appreciated.  Good fly shops around Summit county?  I have winter fished in Minn. (yes) and Mont., so I have some idea about what’s involved, like getting in the water without taking a swim.

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