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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand these terms have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne

Well, as long as they bring their own Scotch, the other things are almost forgiveable I guess We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  In case you’re not familiar with it, a ‘humpy’ is a rather rough and ready bush dwelling, which the lodge definitely won’t be!  Of course apart from being a trout fly, another meaning for humpy could only be imagined, but as for a busload of lawyers being involved, well….. — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.   I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz.

maybe that’s why so many Americans wear spectacles…… didn’t do QUITE enough to send you blind Sorry – couldn’t resist it. But seriously – if anyone is genuinely interested in a holiday to the Tasmanian highlands next year, let me know.   The lake we’re building on is 280 acres, and is part of the London Lakes complex, which many will have heard of.   The lake is called Highland Waters, and is part of a 586 acre property.   The trout are big, plentiful, and a bugger to catch – a real challenge.   Oh, and did I mention that the scenery is beautiful?  And the lodge will be very comfortable, with a deck overlooking the lake, and plenty of room for the barbecue on which to cook the big rainbows you’ll catch there too.  The browns are catch-and-release (that’s how they come to be so big and so smart) but the rainbows are catch-and-barbecue — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Damn forgot to proof read or use spellcheck!.fter should have An a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine!

As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes, a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special.   We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse – a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes,

a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to

tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special. We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be

keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is

the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you

brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse –

a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh Pete, Brisbane, Australia

Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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My Two Cents: One side effect of a number of short jumps is that you’ll spend prescious hours–yea days–commissioning and decommissioning.  Or you’ll depart only half-ass prepared.  To me this would be an invitation for frustration or danger.  I’d suggest making fewer–but longer jumps. Or pay for a one time overland transport to your home cruising waters. This would allow you to leisurely and economically prepare the boat for those long cruises you’re dreaming of.  If not, you run the risk of madly buying the first almost-correct gear (in order to save time) and then having to live with it for years.  And there’s the tendency of setting out on a day with a doubious forecast because you have a schedule in your head. Nothing will ruin the joy of cruising more than having a schedule. Allan Paterson He who would go to sea for pleasure, would go to hell for a pastime.                                         Johnson

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas.

You’ll be doing damn well to cover more than 250 miles in a week. Besides, the gunkholes are the most interesting part of the trip, not motoring down the ditch. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs?

$1/ft/day is pretty good rule of thumb. More around the big boating cities. If you’re planning on longer storage (most marinas require a 1-year lease to get out of the transient category) you can beat this by a lot. Others probably have better information. My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences.

It sounds to me like you would be much (very very much) better served by a trailerable cruiser than heavy-displacement cruiser. In fact, for a long distance ICW trip I’d seriously consider a motorboat… one with low bridge clearance. Your storage and transport expenses would be cut by about 95%, and your hassles of commissioning, maintenance, security, etc etc reduced greatly. However, to each his own. If you have your heart set on a Triton, there are other trips you could make with it that would be more pleasurable. They’re fine boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King — This is what we look like when we’re at our best: http://recboats.hsh.com/45.htm Spambots, feed upon your own kind!

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs?

The rate varies alot! On the Chesapeake you can expect anywhere from $30/ft for dockage for the season to around $150/ft for annual storage. Transients pay $1 to $2 per ft per day.  I hope that helps Mike Madden http://www.marinersguide.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences.

Seems needlessly far away from home and that little use would be hard on the poor old girl. You should properly spend a week or more a year (plus touch ups during the season) just to commission and decommission, recaulk, paint, and so forth. That’s already more time than you’re planning on seeing her, without getting out on the water and enjoying. You can’t just get in and go. Add a tight schedule to the mix and you’re courting problems. If you’ve already got a boat you can ride on at home, I’d suggest you simply charter a boat for the week or two each year. Your costs would likely be lower and you won’t have to worry. The Chesapeake wouldn’t be a bad destination: While replying to someone about suggested trip itineraries, I came up with 5 distinct trips that had only Annapolis and Baltimore (places they definitely wanted to go) without even cracking the "bible" (The Gunkholer’s Guide). And why a Triton from the Chesapeake Bay? Guess this one’s a good deal. But there are lots of good boats, even Tritons, closer to Texas, that are as good or better deals for your circumstances. — Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux — ‘73 Tanzer 28 #4 — out of Tolchester, MD Xan’s Pics & Specs: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI Vacation trip FAQ (250+ Annotated pics): http://members.dca.net/jerelull/BVI.html

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Been sailing the Delaware-Chesapeake-Pamlico-Albemarle for nearly 25 years, at 60-70+ hard sailing days per year……  and haven’t even come close to seeing all there is to see, and there are a few other people that I haven’t met !!!! It’s not the straight line sailing that you remember, it’s the little "gunk-holes", the small ‘outports’, the people that you meet, the watermen, the ‘other’ sailors, (sometimes even a stink-potter), the fishing, the lounging, etc. etc. etc. etc. Sorry to invite myself into the middle of your dreams…. take off a month (or more) to do your stages … dont rush, there’s too too damn much to see, too many good people to meet! A triton will cost you approximately $30 to $40 per day in transient storage/docking from the Ches. on down.  It will cost approx. $2000-2500 to truck her home from Texas, + $1000 for prep. and unloading, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences. Ron — Life is alright if you stay out of fights, and you only do the things that you like. If you say what you mean and you mean what you say… everything will turn out OK. -Earthpig & Fire

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences. Ron — Life is alright if you stay out of fights, and you only do the things that you like. If you say what you mean and you mean what you say… everything will turn out OK. -Earthpig & Fire

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I used to live in Western Mass then I got a reel job…just kidding.

Hey thanks for the tip! Jerry Schrader, over 30 years a pro Fine Wedding Photography http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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I am looking for someone to fish the Westfield river with me.  Although I’ve fished many of the rivers in Ma., I have little experience with that river. I’m looking for entry points and the best streches for fly fishing. Suggested patterns would be a bonus.   I don’t need any coaching as I am a seasoned  fly fisher. Anyone interested please email.                                            thanks,                                                        Jerry Schrader

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I used to live in Western Mass then I got a reel job…just kidding. Try the section of Westfield where route 20 goes under the Mass Pike. That’s Turnpike, not the fish…anyway there used to be a tackle shop there that also did some private stocking of Brown Trout. Follow route 20 west outside of Westfield unitil you see the big Mass Pike Bridge overhead….good luck.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for someone to fish the Westfield river with me.  Although I’ve fished many of the rivers in Ma., I have little experience with that river. I’m looking for entry points and the best streches for fly fishing. Suggested patterns would be a bonus.   I don’t need any coaching as I am a seasoned  fly fisher. Anyone interested please email.                                            thanks,                                                        Jerry Schrader

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I recently bought a fly outfit and was wondering if there was a good visual tutorial on the net, or anywhere else. Thx HR

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  I recently bought a fly outfit and was wondering if there was a good   visual tutorial on the net, or anywhere else.   Thx   HR

A visual tutorial for what?  Casting?  Fishing?  Fly tying?   Why didn’t you ask the joker from whom you bought your rod? Go back to the store where you bought the fly outfit and ask them for casting lessons and inquire about fishing classes (if you’ve not fished before).  If they don’t offer these things then return the outfit immediately and go somewhere else that does! I say this in all seriousness.  You are going to want lots more equipment and need lots more advice before long and you’d do well to get acquainted with a nice shop that can provide all these things. Be warned that fly tying is also looming on the horizon for you. cheers,         -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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 I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity. It’s "estrogen". CM

Hey Ho CM:   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of humor.   Stevie.Pee

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 I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  

It’s "estrogen". CM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity. It’s "estrogen". CM Hey Ho CM:   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of humor. Stevie.Pee

It sure doesn’t seem so Steve! Maybe the ice hasn’t melted all the way where they live?? Keep it wet… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men.

Howdy, I don’t think men have any advantage physically over women when it comes to fishing. There are not as many women fishing as men, but I know some gals that will out fish half of my male customers. I think it is skill, experience and desire that will separate anglers. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Maybe if you had something funny to say we would have a sense of humor. L&R

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Steve,   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on   this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of   humor. I’ve been here for a while and it is a rare event.  For a while there, I thought I detected a trend.  A sense of humor was reserved for every third Tuesday of the month if the month had a "z" in it.  However, in second thought, I decided it was a false alarm and there was no trend. Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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Bill,   I don’t think men have any advantage physically over women when it   comes to fishing. There are not as many women fishing as men, but I   know some gals that will out fish half of my male customers. I think   it is skill, experience and desire that will separate anglers. I fish with a female and I out-fish her everytime out.  It’s my boat and she fishes from the back seat . Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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Since when did fishing become a REAL sport anyway.You either sit on your fat ass in a boat or you casually walk a stream,drinking beer,stopping to rest or shit whenever you please.No time requirement, no 300lb linebackers hitting you at 25 mph,no  100mph hockey pucks flying at you.Dont get me wrong I love fishin as much as anyone (and so does my wife),but its no sport,its a relaxing hobby. Good fishin to all!!

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i love to fish with women.  they bring better snacks than beef jerkey and corn nuts.  and when the bass ain’t biting…. fishpro 17

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  Since when did fishing become a REAL sport anyway.  You either sit on   your fat ass in a boat or you casually walk a stream, drinking   beer, stopping to rest or shit whenever you please.  No time   requirement, no 300lb linebackers hitting you at 25 mph, no 100mph   hockey pucks flying at you.  Don’t get me wrong I love fishin as much as   anyone (and so does my wife), but its no sport, it’s a relaxing hobby. So, how long were you in the coma? Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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L,   I think Bass’n Gals is a wonderful group. If men can have fishing   clubs why can’t women?  We have this club so we can all go fishing and   have fun.  Not to compete against men.  Or to say, "Women are better   fisherman than men". If you’re getting something out of it, have at it.  Don’t get suckered into trying to explain your point of view to people who can’t understand what you’re saying. Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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You mean to tell me that we’ve sunken so low in self esteem that we’ve decited that "casting a rod all day" is hard work?  That women can’t fight a 23lb bass?  Maybe some anorexic, chainsmoking 80lb woman couldn’t do it, but any healthy person can fish all day and not form any new muscle tissue.  Give me a break.  So we can cast 5′ further, or maybe 10 becuase we have bigger torsos, so what… if the woman has spent as much time fishing as the man, I’m sure she can eaily keep up and quite possibly exceed a male counterpart.  I think you’re comparing a non-fishing woman to a fishing man.  Which is like saying, "The average Klingon warrior is 5x stronger than the average human." Apples and oranges, Kilingon Warriors to Human Warriors… now there’s a comparison.  I’d be willing to bet that any of the women fishing on the B.A.S.S. trail could outfish most of this newsgroup with broken thumbs.  :’)

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Don’t hold back Tank, tell us what you think. Be careful about your anti-pest tactics. They sound like a PETA commercial on the bad manners of anglers. Good fishing, Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You mean to tell me that we’ve sunken so low in self esteem that we’ve decited that "casting a rod all day" is hard work?  That women can’t fight a 23lb bass?  Maybe some anorexic, chainsmoking 80lb woman couldn’t do it, but any healthy person can fish all day and not form any new muscle tissue.  Give me a break.  So we can cast 5′ further, or maybe 10 becuase we have bigger torsos, so what… if the woman has spent as much time fishing as the man, I’m sure she can eaily keep up and quite possibly exceed a male counterpart.  I think you’re comparing a non-fishing woman to a fishing man.  Which is like saying, "The average Klingon warrior is 5x stronger than the average human." Apples and oranges, Kilingon Warriors to Human Warriors… now there’s a comparison.  I’d be willing to bet that any of the women fishing on the B.A.S.S. trail could outfish most of this newsgroup with broken thumbs.  :’)

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men.

Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

I think you are taking this out of context as I recall the original author was saying that there should not be a separate division for woman because he also disagreed with this notion. Obviously someone is interested in two divisions probably more for the promotional benefit than actual merits.

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

Hey Ho:   To answer your question…No I didn’t.  Did you ever notice that REAL WOMEN don’t worry about the "wimps".  Hmmmm!  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  Here’s your sign. Stevie.Pee P.S. "Woman" is *not* a proper noun and thus should not be capitalized.

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it sounds like a bunch of whimps and several women need to get a life they can enjoy without telling everybody how great they think they are just because they are either female stupid or maybe both. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing. Hey Ho:   To answer your question…No I didn’t.  Did you ever notice that REAL WOMEN don’t worry about the "wimps".  Hmmmm!  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  Here’s your sign. Stevie.Pee P.S. "Woman" is *not* a proper noun and thus should not be capitalized.

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I am going to have 3 or 4 days in No. Ark/So. Mo to kill in mid June.   Can anyone recomend a guide service?  Hope to find some big browns! Thanks, KNACK Whitehouse, TX

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Check with Dale Fulton at Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home, Ark. Also, check out Andy McMinn’s Arkansas fly fishing page at: http://kanweb.com/fly/ It’s full of information. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I am going to have 3 or 4 days in No. Ark/So. Mo to kill in mid June.

Sandra,         Used to guide in Ark.   Here’s a list of guides and phone numbers that will give you the best available in that area. SHOPS:           Blue Ribbon Flies – Dale Fulton – (501)or(870) 425-0447         P.J.’s Resort (501) 499-7500         Wapsi Fly (a wholesaler) – ask for T.L. – (501) 425-9500 GUIDES:         John Gulley 501-499-7517         Bob Snyder      499-4287         Dwayne Hada     452-3559 (The Woodsman – Ft. Smith)         Sandra, the best way to be assured of catching large browns is to night fish, since they are primarily nocturnal feeders. Be sure to have plenty of Gink for your large dries and Xink for the huge nymphs required for those record browns.          John Gulley is a pro at night fishing and can definitely put you on some big fish if the time  is right when you go up there.  Be sure to ask about water conditions and generating schedules for that time of year when you call.  I’ve know and fished with John since the mid 70’s but have been out of contact with him for about ten years.  John, a seasoned guide, is rather drole and deliberate in his manner.         Dwayne Hada, also a personal friend of mine, guides all over that area.  I don’t know about Dwayne’s experience with brown trout per-se’. However, Dwayne, a former high school art teacher, is very personable and well mannered. Have Fun – Wendell Hise Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Gink keeps it up – Xink puts it down!

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Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail.

I’m sure thousands of dollars are being spent in his lab right now to prove conclusively that the only way to serve papers is with the left hand, never never the right, and that those who do serve papers with the right loose their targets in the vital first few seconds of the process.  People just don’t appreciate what an atheletic feat it is to serve papers.

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs.

<<big snip Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. — Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min.

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0] : [ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] : [ Author was Tim Patterson ] : : Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = : reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously : weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = : about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on : the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. : <<big snip : Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke : has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider : that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company : makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past : posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. : — : Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios : ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 : / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! : Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min. While the original post was certainly scurrilous, Mr. G. may not wish to perform the necessary public demonstration to prove conclusively that it was libel Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. Of course, you still have to show that the poem itself was libellous and that Gehrke’s penis size in some way relates to the quality of his product. You’ll probably also have to prove that his penis is not below avergae size, but I think that would require a specialist to determine (preferably a brave volunteer). This is all asuming that you were refering to my little ode and not one of the many other flames that "Mr. G." seems to have called down upon himself on rec.arts.poems. He sure has a winning way with folk, does ol’ George!         Tim the ever helpful  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – = Your libalist poetry is something we don’t think we care to bring to Mr= =2E Gehrke’s attention for we are sure you are as close to a libelous, lega= l law suit as you can get . . . and I can state for all certainty, you do= not want to pursue this line of defamation on a man that makes his living producing wonderful products for the American People.  He doesn’= t do it to you and your products and it isn’t fair,  that you do such a low-down, unkind thing to this wonderful, warm, giving human being. That you think (for Mr. Gehrke) that he should not take offense only speaks ill of those standards that are below him and the staff here at this company. = I would cease and disist if I were you.  I would not dare show him this= insult to his integrity and coarse you have embarked upon.  It really serves no purpose.  You do not want to test this man in court.  I assur= e you of this sirs. = Again, I strongly advise that you stop this deflamation of character immediately and post a retraction for your SLANDEROUS remarks.  I canno= t stress this important point to you strong enough. This company will not= tolerate this public abuse on a world-wide format. =  li=B7bel (l=BA=93b=85l) Law. n. 1.a. A false publication in writing, p= rinting, or typewriting or in signs or pictures that maliciously damages a person’s reputation. b. The act or an instance of presenting such a statement to the public. 2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff= in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court. –li=B7bel= tr.v. li=B7beled or li=B7belled, li=B7bel=B7ing or li=B7bel=B7ling, li=B7= bels or li=B7bels. To communicate a false statement about in writing or by mean= s of signs or pictures. –li=93bel=B7er or li=93bel=B7ist n. = Sincerely, = Mr. W.H. / Executive Secretary & Mrs Gladys M. Gehrke with copies sent:= cc/Mr. H. Cross / Patent Attorney cc/ B. Schroeder/ Law Firm/Spokane Washington Federal Law Division

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I may be up in this area in a week or two. Any help on where to fish, local patterns etc, would be appreciated. Many thanks. — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR

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    I am a Colorado native and I have fished the South Platte and other rivers north of Denver extensively.  If you are in search of large fish then the Platte is a good destination as is the Blue river 1 hr west of Denver on I-70 in the town of Silverthorne.  If numbers of fish are what you want I suggest the Big Thompson or the Cache La Poudre rivers north of Denver and west of Loveland and Fort Collins respectively.      Back to the Platte.  This time of year is a nice time to fish this area.  In the heat of the day the fish are relatively inactive on the surface.  However, sometimes the weather changes or something else will cause a proliferation of some species of small mayfly or another.  These can usually be imitated with a generic blue wing olive size 16 or smaller.  There is usually sporadic action on the surface even in the absence of a hatch.  These being a small midge.  I tie my own and will discuss the pattern later. In the evenings you can almost always count on some caddis fly action.  The elk hair caddis size 16 or smaller being a good match. Through out the day small nymphs will also work.  I suggest size 18 or smaller pheasant tails, gold ribbed hairs ears, other mayfly larvae imitations, brassies, and buckskins.  You will notice that I have emphasized small patterns.  The majority of the aquatic life in the river is small.  The non aquatic life near the river is coming into full bloom at this time of the year.  Do not forget to take an assortment of grasshopper, beetle, ant, and other terrestrial imitations.  Some times these patterns will arose a fish when nothing else will.      The fishing pressure on the South Platte is extremely heavy due to its proximity to Denver.  Therefore the fish are extremely well educated.  When approaching the fish keep in mind the water is very clear.  If you can see them, they can see you.  Do not slosh and stomp around in this river.  If at all possible sneak up on your target fish.  This may include crawling on your hands and knees in the middle of the river so as to keep yourself low and slow moving.  I always enjoy watching people watch me as I crawl through 12 inches of water and then taking a nice 16 to 20 inch trout only ten feet away.  I emphasize the distance because a poor cast which splashes the water or otherwise alarms the fish will ruin your chances to catch the large fish.  Additionally the closer you are to the target fish the easier it is to hook and land them when they do take.      I personally like to fish around Deckers because the access is easy.  The river is accessible for several miles downstream of Deckers and the road runs right along the river.  Upstream of Deckers into the canyon is excellent fishing and is where the gold medal water is.  A short hike will take you into the canyon.  If possible I suggest fishing where people are not elbow to elbow. The whole river is excellent you do not have to fish in a crowd. Also, if possible fish on the week days.      I suggest a five weight rod.  This is my own preference.  Take a rod that you feel comfortable making accurate cast at short to moderate distances.  People claiming to cast the whole line and landing 5 lbs. plus trout are full of it.  The river is very cold even at this time of the year.  Take neoprene waders if you got em. Polarized sunglasses are a must.  The elevation in Colorado also makes sunscreen a must.      The midge pattern is a simple one.  Use a size 20 or 22 dry fly hook.  The body is green floss.  About 1/2 way to the eye put a small amount of dark green rabbit fur dubbing.  for a wing use a grey, light blue, or white polypropelyne.  Whip finish the head. This is a sparse pattern.  I use it as a dropper to a size 14 or 16 humpy or some other highly visible unsinkable dry fly.  This allows me to know where the midge is as it is about impossible to see past 10 feet.  If the midge sinks that is ok the fish don’t care.      Post your results I wish you good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be up in this area in a week or two. Any help on where to fish, local patterns etc, would be appreciated. Many thanks. — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR

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I would like you to take note of my new e-address <My old one has expired and I guess I was on a demo period

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

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(Robert Mault) writes: For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

Ya’ see, we keep our boats inside mosta’ tha time ’cause a all that great Cal sunshine! Ain’t ta’ good for the plastic and glass. I remember livin’ in Charlotte and it wasn’t nothin’ like here. Hey wait, I just saw a boat out in downtown San Jose! He was paddlin’ main street!  ’Kay, sometimes we get a bit a rain… Later, Aaron — "Nothing more is needed to destroy a man, than the conviction that his life’s work is useless."  -Antonin Artaud

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) based organization with a POB & Voice Mail in Marin County and meetings at the University of California on Parnassus Ave. in San Francisco. More Info: (415) 435-7936 and/or read above message. "Go w/the flow"-"Z".

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Funny…every diversion that I’m into seems to have the most interest base in the bay area. Flyfishing, Astronomy, and Kayaking all have more participants in the bay area than anywhere else in the country (as a group). Too bad it costs so damn much to live there. Kai

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I heard that flyfishing equipment is less expensive in Canada due to currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order? Thanks in Advance, The Canadian "dollar" is now worth around US$.70. Check out Smallman’s in Cochrane, Alberta.  Among other things, they sell Hardy equipment for less than anywhere I’ve been able to find (e.g. a Hardy Princess for CAN$151.00, which currently is about US$115).  You may be able to skip the GST if they ship it to you – ask them about it.  There’s no provincial sales tax in Alberta. Their number is         +1 800 667 4753 Tim

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Looking for information for the Kings, San Joaquin and Kaweah rivers in central CA.  I have lived here for a few years and have fished all three, but would like some specifics.  I can give lots of advise and specifics on the High Sierra and Kins Canyon National Park.  Enjoyed a great trip last summer for Golden Trout, I have great advise for this area.  Thanks in advance!

I am a native of Merced and am currently living in the Bay Area.  I am a relative novice to fly fishing but I try hard and I love it.  I would appreciate any suggestions you have, including float tubing.  Thanks in advance.                                  Dave W.

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I heard that flyfishing equipment is less expensive in Canada due to currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order? Thanks in Advance, Wayne

In BC we have 7% GST (federal goods & services tax) and 7% PST (provincial sales tax. Despite that, the 1.42cdn==1us$ exchange rate is working in your favour…. I’m not sure about fishing equipment, as I’ve never bought any from the US, but computer stuff tends to suffer an extra 10-20% (or more sometimes!!!) cost just for being in Canada. — Pat Dowler UVic Astronomy

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Looking for information for the Kings, San Joaquin and Kaweah rivers in central CA.  I have lived here for a few years and have fished all three, but would like some specifics.  I can give lots of advise and specifics on the High Sierra and Kins Canyon National Park.  Enjoyed a great trip last summer for Golden Trout, I have great advise for this area.  Thanks in advance!

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I heard that flyfishing equipment is less expensive in Canada due to currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order? Thanks in Advance,

The Canadian "dollar" is now worth around US$.70. Check out Smallman’s in Cochrane, Alberta.  Among other things, they sell Hardy equipment for less than anywhere I’ve been able to find (e.g. a Hardy Princess for CAN$151.00, which currently is about US$115).  You may be able to skip the GST if they ship it to you – ask them about it.  There’s no provincial sales tax in Alberta. Their number is          +1 800 667 4753 Tim

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I heard that flyfishing equipment is less expensive in Canada due to currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order?

Check out Wallace W. Doak & Sons Ltd. P.O. Box 95, 331 Main Street, Doaktown, New Brunswick, Canada. E0C 1G0 Tel: 506-365-7828 Fax: 506-365-7762 Doak’s prices for many items are comparable to what I have seen in some American catalogues (e.g. Cabela, Orvis), but the prices are in Canadian ($0.71) dollars. More importantly, they epitomize friendly, efficient service.  The only shortcoming is that they are hardcore Miramichi-ites, so their selection is somewhat salmon-centric. I have never dealt with Smallman’s, but it has been recommended on the net. Smallman’s Fly Shop 220 First Street, Cochrane, Alberta, Canada. T0L 0W0 Tel: 403-932-2122 Fax: 403-932-7107 1-800-667-4753 — Keep your stick on the ice.

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 Wayne we have 2 taxes,provincial 7% and G.S.T. 7%.Your stuck with the provincial but I believe you can get all of the G.S.T. rebated at the border on your way home if you keep the receipts.

If you mail order from outside the province, you do not pay provincial sales tax.  I sometimes have stuff mail ordered from Doak’s in New Brunswick to my home in Ottawa because postage is less than sales tax. The GST does not apply to exports, so our southern confreres are spared that indignity. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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I heard that flyfishing equipment is less expensive in Canada due to currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order? Thanks in Advance, Wayne

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is less expensive in Canada due to : currency devaluation.  I live in Washington and sales tax is 8.2%.  Is : there any good deals across the border say in Vancouver or by mail order?  Wayne we have 2 taxes,provincial 7% and G.S.T. 7%.Your stuck with the provincial but I believe you can get all of the G.S.T. rebated at the border on your way home if you keep the receipts.As far as saving money with the exchange rate you probably can do quite well,I know its rarely worth it for me to shop down south anymore.Give me an example of exactly what you want and I will find out the local cost for you. —                  *              Doug Cook                *                  *            Abbotsford,B.C.            *                  *                Canada                 *

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