Question:
impossible to get any distance on the bigger pike flies, such as the rabbit hair diver (3/0 I think). I’ve probably neglected to take into account that I am using a 6wt, 9 ft
rod I am obviously missing posts again. C
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impossible to get any distance on the bigger pike flies, such as the rabbit hair diver (3/0 I think). I’ve probably neglected to take into account that I am using a 6wt, 9 ft
rod I am obviously missing posts again. C
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Outboard Engines vs. I/O
Hi folks, Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida. Combination of use will be both bay & off-shore fishing, off-shore diving, and short-medium range cruising with at least two couples. I’m a long-time fan of Mercruiser I/Os, having owned several and had very little trouble with them. A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct? 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain? 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O? 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays? 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example? All thoughts appreciated. Thanks. Patrick
Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida. A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct?
That is correct, especially with the 4 stroke motors. 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain?
Probably even or cheaper. 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O?
Net is higher since you have a higher power to weight ratio. 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays?
I don’t see any clear advantages, all the manufacturers have their thing that only they do. Personnally my best experiences for reliability have been with Yamaha and performance wih Mercury, thou Honda has some interesting cam technology and Suzuki has the best Warrantee. Never been an OMC fan myself but that doesn’t really mean much. 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example?
Can’t help you there, but I’m sure there will be someone to tell you what not to buy. http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
Hi Patrick, With a boat that size I guess that the outboard choices would be the new Yamaha and Honda 200-225hp 4 strokes? In a Mercruiser they use mostly GM V8s now for 200hp+? I know that fisherman like the outboards because there is more room in the rear of the boat for fishing? The ultimate power is a diesel in a boat that size, but it is $$$$. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida. Combination of use will be both bay & off-shore fishing, off-shore diving, and short-medium range cruising with at least two couples. I’m a long-time fan of Mercruiser I/Os, having owned several and had very little trouble with them. A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct? 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain? 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O? 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays? 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example? All thoughts appreciated. Thanks. Patrick
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<SNIP The aspiration for ‘reasonable contentment’ is one we probably all share, Mike. I’m not sure it’s been the driving force behind mankind’s most impressive achievements, though. 
War has usually been the driving force for man
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Ebay musings
I know ‘zackly what you mean, Charlie. I spend too much time there also. The guy you referred to is "Mac" who is famous for ruining production rods and then listing them as "restored". His latest kick is plaid signature wraps. But then, there ARE still a few deals showing up daily. I snagged a Courtney Ryley Cooper SB/Doublebuilt for $71 last week and a good friend made off with an unidentified Ray Bergman/Dickerson for the ridiculous sum of $36 + shipping. Vigilance pays off sometimes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an unapologetic gear whore, I spend way too much time (and money) on e-bay. I’ve been burned more than once by bamboo swindlers, lately the crooks seem to outnumber the honest dealers. I just noticed a Heddon#17 that opened at $75.00 more than it is worth, the first (and only) bidder made an opening bid of $150.00 more than the opening price.I recently read about some guys who were indicted for bidding up their own items (utilizing other user names) to create a false sense of interest, and I suspect that is what’s happening with the Heddon. A lot of this crap still goes on, beware of it. When you see so many low end Montagues selling for $85.00 with 4 or 5 total bids, beware of the short tipped Sunbeam that has been bid up to $175.00 by fifteen bidders. Don’t be fooled into thinking something is valuable, just because there appears to be a lot of interest in the item. Always insist on a return privilege after you’ve won a bid. I’ve been burned three times this year by swindlers who blatantly lied about the product, the worst case being the guy who’s 8′ Redwing arrived as a no-name Japanese rod, worth $35.00. There are several guys who sell a lot of counterfeit rods on e-bay. One guy out of central Oregon is pretty good, and it takes an expert’s eye to detect some of the working class rods he’s turned into high dollar collectibles. There’s another guy here in Colorado who takes crappy rods, changes the reel seat, and slaps on a coat of glossy varnish. This guy is also in the habit of turning 9′ buggy whips into 7 1/2′ "highly collectibles, rods like this sell for over $1000.00". Do you have any idea what it does to a rod’s castability (a cheap rod that wasn’t good to start with) when you cut 6" out of each section? It pains me just to look at some of his images, which usually depict a way too small ferrule crammed onto a crudely whittled-down section. With that said, there are some occasional deals to be had. I often skip over the ads that don’t even mention the maker’s name in the header, 99% of them are junkers. Last fall, I bought a mint Edwards salmon rod, the seller didn’t know what it was, and I wasn’t sure until it arrived; I paid less than $200.00 for it. I had no use for a bamboo salmon rod, so I recently swapped it for a 7 1/2′ Granger. So, with a little bit of luck, I’ve come out about even on e-bay.
I feel for you and have noticed the same thing in the local equivilent, lots of cheap gear with unrealistic prices on them. On the other hand I recently put a scsi card up for auction at half its used value.I was abused for putting a "high" price on it. Damned if I was going to put a $4000 scsi controller (still in shrink wrap) on auction for 30 bucks. There are a hell of a lot of unscrupulous dealers out there and many people the law in the states regarding false claims when selling something. There must be something around to stop them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an unapologetic gear whore, I spend way too much time (and money) on e-bay. I’ve been burned more than once by bamboo swindlers, lately the crooks seem to outnumber the honest dealers. I just noticed a Heddon#17 that opened at $75.00 more than it is worth, the first (and only) bidder made an opening bid of $150.00 more than the opening price.I recently read about some guys who were indicted for bidding up their own items (utilizing other user names) to create a false sense of interest, and I suspect that is what’s happening with the Heddon. A lot of this crap still goes on, beware of it. When you see so many low end Montagues selling for $85.00 with 4 or 5 total bids, beware of the short tipped Sunbeam that has been bid up to $175.00 by fifteen bidders. Don’t be fooled into thinking something is valuable, just because there appears to be a lot of interest in the item. Always insist on a return privilege after you’ve won a bid. I’ve been burned three times this year by swindlers who blatantly lied about the product, the worst case being the guy who’s 8′ Redwing arrived as a no-name Japanese rod, worth $35.00. There are several guys who sell a lot of counterfeit rods on e-bay. One guy out of central Oregon is pretty good, and it takes an expert’s eye to detect some of the working class rods he’s turned into high dollar collectibles. There’s another guy here in Colorado who takes crappy rods, changes the reel seat, and slaps on a coat of glossy varnish. This guy is also in the habit of turning 9′ buggy whips into 7 1/2′ "highly collectibles, rods like this sell for over $1000.00". Do you have any idea what it does to a rod’s castability (a cheap rod that wasn’t good to start with) when you cut 6" out of each section? It pains me just to look at some of his images, which usually depict a way too small ferrule crammed onto a crudely whittled-down section. With that said, there are some occasional deals to be had. I often skip over the ads that don’t even mention the maker’s name in the header, 99% of them are junkers. Last fall, I bought a mint Edwards salmon rod, the seller didn’t know what it was, and I wasn’t sure until it arrived; I paid less than $200.00 for it. I had no use for a bamboo salmon rod, so I recently swapped it for a 7 1/2′ Granger. So, with a little bit of luck, I’ve come out about even on e-bay.
I haven’t worked for any sellers and I don’t think I’m stupid (tho I did take up flyfishing after a fashion this last year, so may that’s questionable…). But I don’t have any interest in planning my life around eBay pumpkin times to buy Yet Another Thing that I do not really need. Whatever this thing that I can’t live without is, it will inevitably pop up again, either on eBay or somewhere else.
Good advise, generally. I let a lot of desirable things go, just because I couldn’t be near the computer at the time of their closing (a man has to fish, you know). The point I tried to make is, if you bid twenty dollars with ten hours till closing, somebody is more likely to come along and outbid you, whereas the same bid right at closing is more likely to get the item. I don’t buy *anything* unless I get a good deal on it, and I’m not the only puter user in the world who recognizes a good deal. I picked up an item last week that I really wanted, but I couldn’t be around the computer at the time of closing. The item (I’d never seen one like it before) had gone six days without a bid, but I figured other sharks (like me) were circling in the waters. With ten hours to go, I bid twice the opening price (and a third the real value) and left for the day, allowing the proxy bid to do it’s thing. I returned that evening to find I’d won the item for a price just fifty cents under my max. A review of the bid history revealed a bidding war had erupted in the final six minutes of the auction, and I was literally saved by the bell. If I hadn’t won it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because it’s only stuff.
That’s the best advice re eBay. Further, I would make that "max you’re willing to pay" at least 20 to 25 percent less than I would be willing to pay through another venue. If you get the item and it is what was advertised, you’ve done well. If you don’t get it it’s no big deal, invariably another one will come along.
Right. There is a little more risk involved because the people aren’t established businesses. 98% of mine have been fine. If you use common sense and check for bad feedback, it helps. Paying with PayPal or other credit card service also helps protect you. If you’re not buying something pretty rare, and you’re not in a big rush, you can get respectable deals.
"Jeff Connelly" Right. There is a little more risk involved because the people aren’t established businesses. 98% of mine have been fine. That’s in the same ballpark as my experiences: I’ve had 2 not very good transactions out of a total of about 70.
I have been burned three times out of 100+ transactions. All three of the bad deals were bamboo fly rods; I’ve never gotten a bum deal on other types of merchandise.
It’s a numbers game. Play enough and you will get burned. I wuz 3 out of 100 + and no bamboo rods! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Jeff Connelly" Right. There is a little more risk involved because the people aren’t established businesses. 98% of mine have been fine. That’s in the same ballpark as my experiences: I’ve had 2 not very good transactions out of a total of about 70. I have been burned three times out of 100+ transactions. All three of the bad deals were bamboo fly rods; I’ve never gotten a bum deal on other types of merchandise.
Good idea and good advice, but not always permitted under eBays rules. If a seller refuses your return privilege request/demand after you’ve won, he can legitimately post negative feedback about you and eBay would stand behind the seller every time.
Oh, one more thing regarding feedback. Feedback is only slightly useful because it’s 2-way feedback, and after a number of years I’ve come to the conclusion feedback should be sent to the seller only. Otherwise, it’s just a game where people know they will usually get negative feedback in retaliation for giving negative feedback. Therefore, I believe most people don’t give negative feedback ever. Many sellers have much less negative feedback than they deserve. One way feedback, such as on Amazon, seems to work much better. Moral of the story: if an eBay seller has much negative feedback, you should avoid him. If he doesn’t – well, you really don’t know much.
As an unapologetic gear whore, I spend way too much time (and money) on e-bay. I’ve been burned more than once by bamboo swindlers, lately the crooks seem to outnumber the honest dealers. I just noticed a Heddon#17 that opened at $75.00 more than it is worth, the first (and only) bidder made an opening bid of $150.00 more than the opening price.I recently read about some guys who were indicted for bidding up their own items (utilizing other user names) to create a false sense of interest, and I suspect that is what’s happening with the Heddon. A lot of this crap still goes on, beware of it. When you see so many low end Montagues selling for $85.00 with 4 or 5 total bids, beware of the short tipped Sunbeam that has been bid up to $175.00 by fifteen bidders. Don’t be fooled into thinking something is valuable, just because there appears to be a lot of interest in the item. Always insist on a return privilege after you’ve won a bid. I’ve been burned three times this year by swindlers who blatantly lied about the product, the worst case being the guy who’s 8′ Redwing arrived as a no-name Japanese rod, worth $35.00. There are several guys who sell a lot of counterfeit rods on e-bay. One guy out of central Oregon is pretty good, and it takes an expert’s eye to detect some of the working class rods he’s turned into high dollar collectibles. There’s another guy here in Colorado who takes crappy rods, changes the reel seat, and slaps on a coat of glossy varnish. This guy is also in the habit of turning 9′ buggy whips into 7 1/2′ "highly collectibles, rods like this sell for over $1000.00". Do you have any idea what it does to a rod’s castability (a cheap rod that wasn’t good to start with) when you cut 6" out of each section? It pains me just to look at some of his images, which usually depict a way too small ferrule crammed onto a crudely whittled-down section. With that said, there are some occasional deals to be had. I often skip over the ads that don’t even mention the maker’s name in the header, 99% of them are junkers. Last fall, I bought a mint Edwards salmon rod, the seller didn’t know what it was, and I wasn’t sure until it arrived; I paid less than $200.00 for it. I had no use for a bamboo salmon rod, so I recently swapped it for a 7 1/2′ Granger. So, with a little bit of luck, I’ve come out about even on e-bay.
I just noticed a Heddon#17 that opened at $75.00 more than it is worth, the first (and only) bidder made an opening bid of $150.00 more than the opening price.
Sorry to add to my own thread, but I just noticed this Heddon has a short tip, so it’s opening price was about $200.00 more than it is worth. It has now been "bid up" to approximately 3X what it’s really worth. And fwiw, last week I purchased a higher grade Heddon, in better shape. I paid $200.00 + shipping to a reputable dealer from Michigan.
As an unapologetic gear whore, I spend way too much time (and money) on e-bay.
As long as you sell (almost) as much as you buy, you’ll be alright 
What’s that? You end up buying a lot more than you sell?? :-) I recently read about some guys who were indicted for bidding up their own items (utilizing other user names) to create a false sense of interest, and I suspect that is what’s happening with the Heddon.
Between me and especially my brother we’ve seen a lot of eBay action, and this and much more does go on. It’s virtually unstoppable in the long run. There’s really only one way around it for the buyer, and it’s quite simple… Don’t be fooled into thinking something is valuable, just because there appears to be a lot of interest in the item.
…know what the value of the item you want to buy. This is obviously true no matter what you buy – it’s not an eBay thing. Well, maybe I oversimplified, because in some cases where an item is very rare, it’s the other bids that help you determine its value. eBay is a good value-meter for things that are not unique, and that a good number of transactions occur for. For the life of me though, I can’t understand people that bitch and moan because they got outbid "at the last second". They complain about "poachers", who wait until the auction is a minute from ending, and swoop in with their "guerilla bid". So freakin’ what? Proxy bid the max that you’re willing to pay. There is one thing that sellers can get away with though that’s unethical. Use a fake name to raise the bid if you think a buyer has proxy-bidded higher than his actual bid. If you go over it by mistake, just retract the bid. That way you have a way of knowing how high a person will go, and make him go there. I don’t think eBay would let you get away with it more than a few times though. There are several guys who sell a lot of counterfeit rods on e-bay.
The best defense I’ve found against counterfeits, unethical dealers, etc. is a good credit card company. If you have a good one, they’ll back you up when you refuse payment on an item. One of the problems with eBay transactions is that there tends to be too many places to lay blame, so everyone points somewhere else. eBay points to the seller or to a mediator (which is not free), the seller of course won’t help, the payment company (PayPal or whoever) points to the FBI, the FBI isn’t going to take it seriously, or the payment company points to your credit card company. If your credit card company is good, the buck stops there and you’re covered. I think internet buying and selling is the greatest thing since the electric guitar, but buying rare or unique items without seeing them in person is tough.
There was one about a month back that I got a kick out of. One of the ebay regulars that refinishes rods with glossy new varnish had a Granger rod – I think. He said it was a Granger rod, however, He replaced the grip with one that didn’t match the original, replaced the reeelseat with an antique aluminum one, replaced the ferrules and guides. He even removed the granger stamp from the rod and wrote Granger on it. Sounds just a little suspicious to me. Paul
As an unapologetic gear whore, I spend way too much time (and money) on e-bay.
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For the life of me though, I can’t understand
people that bitch and moan because they got outbid "at the last second". They complain about "poachers", who wait until the auction is a minute from ending, and swoop in with their "guerilla bid". So freakin’ what?< I was watching a flyrod on Ebay. Someone put a bid in with less than a minute to go, only to be aced out by another bidder who got in with 9 seconds left. Talk about "the last second." I imagine that next to the last bidder was pissed.
I was watching a flyrod on Ebay. Someone put a bid in with less than a minute to go, only to be aced out by another bidder who got in with 9 seconds left. Talk about "the last second." I imagine that next to the last bidder was pissed.
In the few instances I’ve been a participant in these last second bids, it’s been fun to watch. For my part, I’ve never really regretted being beat at the last second. I bid what I’m willing to pay. If somebody’s willing to pay more, good for them. I’ve never felt bad about losing one that way. Joe F.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching a flyrod on Ebay. Someone put a bid in with less than a minute to go, only to be aced out by another bidder who got in with 9 seconds left. Talk about "the last second." I imagine that next to the last bidder was pissed. In the few instances I’ve been a participant in these last second bids, it’s been fun to watch. For my part, I’ve never really regretted being beat at the last second. I bid what I’m willing to pay. If somebody’s willing to pay more, good for them. I’ve never felt bad about losing one that way. Joe F.
joe, the animosity generated plum evades me. back in my golden years when i travelled to quite a few thousand auctions buying antiques, libraries, estates and such, i set my limit….. and since i was pretty much a foolish bidder, if some fool outbid me…. well, congrats, nicely done. all i can say is i never regretted winning and i never regretted nor angered over losing. i take that back…. my only regret is that i didn’t go to 27k on a full bronze figurine at an auction outside of daytona beach one evening…. i believe the fool that out-bid me would have dropped out and i would today be enjoying the finest deco sculpture i’ve ever seen… enjoying daily cuz i never would have sold her…. course, marie probably would have divorced my silly ass. ah well…that’s life…. you win some and you lose some. anyway…. the point being…. at auction, and at ebay, thars a hammer. when it slams down… the *last* bidder wins….tain’t much use losing sleep over it…imho. –walt
For the life of me though, I can’t understand people that bitch and moan because they got outbid "at the last second". They complain about "poachers", who wait until the auction is a minute from ending, and swoop in with their "guerilla bid.
Groundless bitching it is. The earlier a bidding war gets started, the higher the price inevitably goes. You gotta play by the home court rules, and use all the legal tactics. When I see something I *really* want, I get involved in the last couple of minutes. Anybody who hasn’t figured this out doesn’t deserve to win the bid. And anybody who actively bids an item with days to go is either stupid or working for the seller. I think internet buying and selling is the greatest thing since the electric guitar, but buying rare or unique items without seeing them in person is tough.
Agree
He said it was a Granger rod, however, He replaced the grip with one that didn’t match the original, replaced the reeelseat with an antique aluminum one, replaced the ferrules and guides. He even removed the granger stamp from the rod and wrote Granger on it. Sounds just a little suspicious to me.
Did it have a number on it, by any chance? {;-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
<snip Always insist on a return privilege after you’ve won a bid. I’ve been burned three times this year by swindlers who blatantly lied about the product, the worst case being the guy who’s 8′ Redwing arrived as a no-name Japanese rod, worth $35.00.
Good idea and good advice, but not always permitted under eBays rules. If a seller refuses your return privilege request/demand after you’ve won, he can legitimately post negative feedback about you and eBay would stand behind the seller every time. If you want a return privilege, send the seller an e-mail BEFORE you bid, unless there is some sort of return policy/guarantee in the items description and/or auction terms. It doesn’t take much negative feedback to get people really turned off about dealing with you. There are several guys who sell a lot of counterfeit rods on e-bay. One guy out of central Oregon is pretty good, and it takes an expert’s eye to detect some of the working class rods he’s turned into high dollar collectibles. There’s another guy here in Colorado who takes crappy rods, changes the reel seat, and slaps on a coat of glossy varnish. This guy is also in the habit of turning 9′ buggy whips into 7 1/2′ "highly collectibles, rods like this sell for over $1000.00". Do you have any idea what it does to a rod’s castability (a cheap rod that wasn’t good to start with) when you cut 6" out of each section? It pains me just to look at some of his images, which usually depict a way too small ferrule crammed onto a crudely whittled-down section.
Wow. I haven’t been shopping for bamboo rods, but what you describe here is downright amazing. Good deal for the seller, I guess. With that said, there are some occasional deals to be had. I often skip over the ads that don’t even mention the maker’s name in the header, 99% of them are junkers. Last fall, I bought a mint Edwards salmon rod, the seller didn’t know what it was, and I wasn’t sure until it arrived; I paid less than $200.00 for it. I had no use for a bamboo salmon rod, so I recently swapped it for a 7 1/2′ Granger. So, with a little bit of luck, I’ve come out about even on e-bay.
I’ve done more selling than buying on eBay, and none of it fishing-related. As a seller, I can honestly state that I have never ripped anybody off. One guy did buy an old clone PC from me and he paid more for shipping than he did for the PC. He may have been a fool, but I didn’t rip him off. As a buyer, my experience is much more limited. Initially, I wasn’t playing like an eBay vulture–so I always got outbid. More recently I bought some books and got a tremendous deal. Six hardback novels from the 70s for less than $20, shipping and all, all in excellent condition. With any sort of ‘collectible’ item, or anything of significant value–say over $100–I’d be careful. There are LOTS of eBay scam artists out there, and plenty of them never get caught. A slight misrepresentation can result in a practically valueless item being bid up as if it were the real thing. Caveat Emptor never rang more true than the day eBay arrived. Tom G eBay vulture
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Added note, from an email: Hall of the Mountain King: Howard Snyder White Winds: Joe Wilcox If you have problems, I first read Snyder in
the 70s from a library loan and now I own both just because of this group, try Chessler in CO. Panel 7 issue. Every one should go out this weekend. NO posting. You guys are all too tired to be here. You
guys are snapping at each other too much. I love it, Eugene! You are absolutely right!
I’m reading this on Friday the 11th and did go out last weekend and had a
lovely time hiking on a beautiful trail with absolutely no other hikers
on it. Eat your hearts out, guys! I’m outta here. Marcy should be the only one posting here over the weekend. hey there fellow hikers.. I just moved to LA
from oregon and it was a total shock.. My Nature life completely disappeared or so i thought.. for the first couple of months here i couldn’t find any trails to hike and was about to leave due to mountain separation anxiety…i went into a 7- Eleven to get a coke and saw the coolest free Magazine ever.. its called StreetZebra.. All about sports and they even have a section dedicated solely to my love.. HIKING.. they also said there was a web site so i checked it out and sure enough they gave trail suggestions and locations…. it changed my whole outlook on living in this over populated city..if you are in the same situation i strongly suggest checking it out.. www.streetzebra.com Before you buy.
Every one should go out this weekend. NO posting. You guys are all too tired to be here. You guys are snapping at each other too much. I love it, Eugene! You are absolutely right! I’m reading this on Friday the 11th and did go out last weekend and had a lovely time hiking on a beautiful trail with absolutely no other hikers on it. Eat your hearts out, guys!
It needs to be repeated. I think I posted that on Aug. 4. It’s now Aug. 18. Some people take this group, too seriously. Like it’s rec.scouting.usa or something. I’m outta here.
I’m outta here.
hey there fellow hikers.. I just moved to LA from oregon and it was a total shock.. My Nature life completely disappeared or so i thought.. for the first couple of months here i couldn’t find
Months?! any trails to hike and was about to leave due to mountain separation anxiety…i went into a 7- Eleven to get a coke and saw the coolest free Magazine ever…
There’s tons of outdoor activities around Portland. The only thing lacking is easy to moderate granite and maybe a slight excess of mold. And a lack of powder. Study maps people! 8^)
My Nature life completely disappeared or so i thought.. for the first couple of months here i couldn’t find Months?!
‘Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form. And if I pass this way again, you can rest assured I’ll always do my best for her, on that I give my word In a world of steel-eyed death, and men who are fighting to be warm. Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved Everything up to that point had been left unresolved. Try imagining a place where it’s always safe and warm. I was burned out from exhaustion, buried in the hail, Poisoned in the bushes an’ blown out on the trail, Hunted like a crocodile, ravaged in the corn. Suddenly I turned around and she was standin’ there With silver bracelets on her wrists and flowers in her hair. She walked up to me so gracefully and took my crown of thorns. Now there’s a wall between us, somethin’ there’s been lost I took too much for granted, got my signals crossed. Just to think that it all began on a long-forgotten morn. Well, the deputy walks on hard nails and the preacher rides a mount But nothing really matters much, it’s doom alone that counts And the one-eyed undertaker, he blows a futile horn. I’ve heard newborn babies wailin’ like a mournin’ dove And old men with broken teeth stranded without love. Do I understand your question, man, is it hopeless and forlorn? In a little hilltop village, they gambled for my clothes I bargained for salvation an’ they gave me a lethal dose. I offered up my innocence and got repaid with scorn. Well, I’m livin’ in a foreign country but I’m bound to cross the line Beauty walks a razor’s edge, someday I’ll make it mine. If I could only turn back the clock to when God and her were born. "Come in," she said, "I’ll give you shelter from the storm."
If I could only turn back the clock to when God and her were born. "Come in," she said, "I’ll give you shelter from the storm."
Yeah, but I like standing in storms.
Study maps people! 8^)
The best trips I have ever had were ones planned using maps, books and a desire to explore on my own. They haven’t come from someone telling me about a certain area. If I would’ve had someone hold my hand, it would have taken all the fun out of it. The summit of the highest peak in WY took us two tries with each being a week long vacation. I didn’t feel that the first failure to summit was a waste of a vacation and when we finally did make it, it was that much more rewarding. Sometimes I wish there were no maps, books or trails. Ed Huesers http://www.grandshelters.com
The best trips I have ever had were ones planned using maps, books and a desire to explore on my own. They haven’t come from someone telling me about a certain area.
I am hoping that my trip to the Alps in December will be my next "best" trip. Unless I get called to the Ross ice sheet again as an alternate. I had a great trip once, coming back from Lake Tahoe I looked across the Center Valley and saw snowy Coastal Range Peaks. Not bold great peaks, but interesting unrated mountains. The trip was some months after that first sight, but it was the sight that set the trip in motion. If I would’ve had someone hold my hand, it would have taken all the fun out of it.
Find the book Mountains w/o Hand Rails by Joe Sax (UCB’s law school) There’s a lot of novices who unfortunately for themselves fool themselves into thinking they have fun. They would argue that fun is a diversity of experience: this is a gross generalization and only somewhat true. I had a couple of guys who were roommates like this. My friend and editor Martha who used to post in this group thinks she is like this, but I really think Martha is at heart an outdoor person (only I’m not in Portland to take her out every weekend on trips). I thought of a 3rd friend (F) who is a poser. These guys kind of think its some sort of status thing, and it’s not unless you rake in bucks for doing a trip (which as a guide is a nice thing). The only business is repeat business. The summit of the highest peak in WY took us two tries with each being a week long vacation. I didn’t feel that the first failure to summit was a waste of a vacation and when we finally did make it, it was that much more rewarding.
Yeah, I took two different trips to get up the v-notch, 3 trips to get up Charlotte dome, etc. Gross, for instance, is very insistent upon summit success. I’ve bailed on hard technical climbs, so I have less an investment threshold for bailing (failing). I can come back or skip. I don’t tally lists. I’m more interested in coming back alive. Sometimes I wish there were no maps, books or trails.
Well, I’ve had training as a cartographer and a photogrammetrist. The issue isn’t maps or books. And I think about wandering around alone on the Ross Ice sheet (I got to the state where I was allowed to travel alone (had to carry a radio), a reasonable state of trust). Ilana when she was with the group is now preparing to sail around the world in a small boat. You can gain some of that in a small boat. Just head out into open ocean and jump into the water. If that doesn’t scare you, you don’t know enough yet. Another good one is looking at swells which tower over your boat. Combine that with climbing and that’s how Chouinard’s days are spent. It’s your own attitude. It’s what’s inside your head, and your collection of good buddies whom you trust on ski trips or flying the bush, or whatever. When I think about some of my favorite trips and my best buddies and partners, I know I’m part of having a good time.
Added note, from an email: Hall of the Mountain King: Howard Snyder White Winds: Joe Wilcox If you have problems, I first read Snyder in the 70s from a library loan and now I own both just because of this group, try Chessler in CO. Panel 7 issue. Every one should go out this weekend. NO posting. You guys are all too tired to be here. You guys are snapping at each other too much.
I love it, Eugene! You are absolutely right! I’m reading this on Friday the 11th and did go out last weekend and had a lovely time hiking on a beautiful trail with absolutely no other hikers on it. Eat your hearts out, guys! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m outta here. Marcy should be the only one posting here over the weekend.
Has anyone written an account of hiking the Pacific Crest trail?
The High Adventure of Eric Ryback (quite controversial). water under the bridge. Consider The Thousand Mile Summer (1958, too) by Colin Fletcher and it’s NOT the Muir trail. I’m not as nearly enthralled with Man Who Walked through Time. Others like it.
Added note, from an email: Hall of the Mountain King: Howard Snyder White Winds: Joe Wilcox If you have problems, I first read Snyder in the 70s from a library loan and now I own both just because of this group, try Chessler in CO. Panel 7 issue. Every one should go out this weekend. NO posting. You guys are all too tired to be here. You guys are snapping at each other too much. I’m outta here. Marcy should be the only one posting here over the weekend.
The High Adventure of Eric Ryback (quite controversial). water under the bridge.
What’s the controversy? It’s certainly ignored, I’ve noticed in subsequent books/articles. Like the trip never happened.
I’m curious to hear what others thought about Bill Bryson’s book, "A Walk in the Woods."
It was entertaining. I wouldn’t look too deeply into it to try to use it as an ethical, moral, or how-to hiking guide. When you read "The Bronx Zoo" or "Ball Four" you really don’t expect to read about baseball fundamentals or how baseball teams should comport themselves. started off on the trail without much experience and then didn’t even complete (or come close to) what he set out to do.
So completion is the criteria for compelling prose? Don’t read anything from Shackleton. Sometimes the best way to illustrate the right way to do things is to embellish the wrong way to do them. Steve Silberberg Visit the Air Sickness Bag Museum http://www.airsicknessbags.com/ FACT: Buff Babes Dig Cut Dudes!
The most offensive part of the book was Bryson’s friend Katz
The book pretty much WAS Katz, or rather the interaction between Katz and the author. I laughed out loud a number of times (though I frequently had suspicions of gross fictionalization). Book wasn’t much about the AT, or backpacking, or the outdoors at all. But I thought Katz was a hoot.
I could never finish "The Living," even though I really like Dillard’s books. It just seemed so depressing when the characters kept dying off — but I guess that was, to a point, the reality of life in the pioneer days… Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
I’m curious to hear what others thought about Bill Bryson’s book, "A Walk in the Woods."
Has anyone written an account of hiking the Pacific Crest trail? Not a guidebook, but something akin to "walk in the woods". Phil
There are so many good books… Edward Abbey comes to mind, especially "Desert Solitaire". Nelson’s "The Island" is good, too. There are always classics, too, like "Wild Animals I Have Known" and "A Sand County Almanac". Annie Dillard’s "A Pilgrim at Tinker Creek" is an incredible book, but not exactly light reading. There is a series of books out with collections of essays/extracts from books with common themes. I have read one called "Wild" that is good, and would like to read the others, too. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
I am a newbie, but the best books I have read about outdoors,wildlife were by Helen Hoover–I got them thru the local library–Gift of the Deer was one–she had several-they took place in the northwoods of MN–awesome books theo God is good–for sure!!!!!!
"Endurance" the story of Shackleton’s "adventure" in the antarctic; just about any book by Farley Mowat. "A Walk in the Woods", Bryson’s story of "thru-hiking" the AT. Several mountaineering books, including "The White Spider", "Annapurna", "Touching the Void".
I’m curious to hear what others thought about Bill Bryson’s book, "A Walk in the Woods." Personally, I found it very disappointing that he was given a publisher’s advance to write the book, went out and bought a lot of expensive equipment, started off on the trail without much experience and then didn’t even complete (or come close to) what he set out to do. (And his book was still a best-seller). The most offensive part of the book was Bryson’s friend Katz, who decided he didn’t want to carry so much weight and dumped out half the contents of his backpack along the AT. Perhaps this was just part of Bryson’s style of humor, but since most of the people buying his book probably have not ever been in the backcountry, it certainly doesn’t set a good example! As for books set in the Pacific NW, "The Living", by Annie Dillard is a fictional account of the early settlers in NW Washington state (around Bellingham and the Nooksak River). For me, it was a little tough to get through at times, but she really captures the feel of the landscape and the hardships the pioneers endured. Anita Vasavada
Do you have any recommendations for good books about the outdoors? Western settings preferred. Pacific northwest settings best.
Oh, there. Well, you might want to look at Dee Molnaar’s (sp) books. Find The Mountaineers web site. They publish a whole bunch. Contact Elliot Bay Books. Fred Beckey has a few books, mostly guidebooks, but not all, which are useful. I have not seen Fred in years. Books like Challenge of the North Cascades (DM), Prater has a snowshoeing book. Depends what you want to read: climbing, history, The Dharma Bums ends in the North Cascades. Scan the REI book rack. I’m not really into fiction anymore. Usually. Considering Alaska, I really liked -148F, that’s the title Minus 148. By Art Davidson. I read it one day in a sign huge push and it was as good as Endurance in many ways. The crux is about dinner time (when they guys were pinned down in a snow cave for a week). Art’s 3rd book, In the Wake of the Exxon Valdez is also good. ‘And the oil companies rotated in their executives, and they had names like "Bubba" and "Skitter."’ Panel 28 topic. Oh, another two Denali books are In the Hall of the Mountain King and White Winds. Give serious thought as to which to read first: chronological publication date, coin flip, or author alphabetic order. Same trip.
"Endurance" the story of Shackleton’s "adventure" in the antarctic; just about any book by Farley Mowat.
Farley Mowat … hmmmn … just remember to treat it as fiction or altered non-fiction.
"Endurance" the story of Shackleton’s "adventure" in the antarctic;
There’s also, "To the Pole in the Footsteps of Shackleton" or something like that. It’s definitely not western US though. Steve Silberberg Visit the Air Sickness Bag Museum http://www.airsicknessbags.com/ FACT: Buff Babes Dig Cut Dudes!
"Endurance" the story of Shackleton’s "adventure" in the antarctic;
I can’t resist gushing over this book. Everyone should read it. Events stranger than any fiction are in this story. Exceptional writing. Phil
I’m a northwest native stranded out here in the prairie and chained to a desk working on my PhD. Hence, I have no wilderness to go to and I relish good books about the outdoors. Recently, I’ve enjoyed books by Richard Nelson, and Byron Ricks’ account of a trip down the inside passage. Do you have any recommendations for good books about the outdoors? Western settings preferred. Pacific northwest settings best. Fiction and non-fiction recommendations welcome.
Offhand can’t think about any/many with Western/PacNW settings, except perhaps for anything by John Gierach who writes about fly-fishing mostly in Colorado/Montana, etc. But as for other stuff "The Arctic Grail" by Pierre Berton is a wonderful book about the exploration of the Arctic. Kind of reminded me of "The White Nile" and "The Blue Nile" by Alan Moorhead from the 50’s or early 60’s which are drop-dead wonderful. Also, ever hear of a guy named Redmond O’Hanlon? Writes (or at least used to write) the London Times’ column on nature. First book
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Buying vs. Tying
I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour. It has to be a labor of love.
Well, it is. And flies tied with the local knowledge angle are nearly always better. Way better. bruce h
4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)
Hehee…Christian, if you’re interested, I’ll work out a swap with you. I’ll send you directions to a collection of great flies hanging on the BWO-eating Boxwood, which is right upstream of the Hendrickson-eating Hardwoods and slightly west of the Adams-eating Ash (not to be confused with the Cahill-chewing Conifer) directly across from the…. Zippy Who decorates trees year round regardless of which holiday season is in effect
On the glow bugs, I was taught my Jeff at Kaufmanns how to do that and my is it easy. You tie the material on just like you would bar bell eyes and wind your thread as tight as you can underneath the materia, getting it to stand up as straight as you canl. Cut it to the desired length and presto it is a ball that wraps around the hook…neat as hell…(I guess you would have to see it done, but it is very easy) Padishar Creel — who ties all his own flies except those he buys and those that actually catch fish…<g
Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?
I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve
<quite right and me too , snipped I am a gear jingo.
BY JOVE ! I think he’s got it ! — Ken Fortenberry
While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway
Same here. The fish is the best judge IMHO. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
[snip] To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.
Please keep this crap off of roff. There are streamer fishermen here who find it offensive. — Charlie…
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve
Good one Steve but CDC is natural. Willi
Good one Steve but CDC is natural.
Regardless. Clearly you are no gentleman –Steve
I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy. $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain. $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h
when i travel, i buy locally tied flies to support local tiers and also when i see patterns i don’t know that turn my crank…but i love to tie and i tie maybe 75-80% of my flies…a few of them I even tie well. Eugene Knapik Toronto
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy. $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain. $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h
Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?
Common flies (e.g. wooly buggers, royal coachmen) can be purchased on eBay or from gofishin.com for around 50 cents each. More unusual ones go as high as 75 cents. The same White Wulffs I paid $2.75 each for at a fly shop were 75 cents on eBay. Frogs, mice, crabs, big streamers are a little more (around $1.25). I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour. It has to be a labor of love. Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)
Bruiser– I’m thinking of getting into tying just save a little on foam humpies, foam black ants and midges. Your note sounds as if midges {24} are difficult and you perfer to buy. If I am reading you right–why are midges harder to tie if you use some type of magnifier?Indian Joe
Bruiser– I’m thinking of getting into tying just save a little on foam humpies, foam black ants and midges. Your note sounds as if midges {24} are difficult and you perfer to buy. If I am reading you right–why are midges harder to tie if you use some type of magnifier?Indian Joe
When tying the same pattern, small flies are much more difficult, IMO. There is very little room on the shank of the hook and a very light touch is needed. It isn’t just seeing what you are doing. Your fingers are VERY large when tying a size 24 fly. Willi
I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. … … To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.
Steve, I have some cork, a natural product, should you ever run out. FiddleAway
IJ, What I meant was, I buy the tiny dries (except maybe comparadun and griffiths) and tie all the nymphs and emergers, which are super easy once you get the hang of it. Yes I use magnification. The little dries, like tiny parachute adams, bwo parachute, and single adult midge patterns are impossible for me. bruce h
While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway
true with me as well…I don’t catch many fish whether they’re my own or store bought!
Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?
I do both. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.
I’m not sure of your point (or question). The only way to get better is practice, but if you don’t want to get better (or even tie, and there’s nothing wrong with either), I see nothing "wrong" with buying. If you only use a few flies of "quite (a) few..patterns," you’re probably better off cost-wise in buying them, esp. if they are patterns that utilize the more-expensive materials. IMO, tying is more a related "hobby" as opposed to a cost-saving measure (there are a few exceptions). Plus, it gives you a good, relatively inexpensive excuse to frequent fly shops in that you truly are buying essential FF’ing items – whether you buy ‘em or tie ‘em, you gotta have ‘em. TC, R
Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.
While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway
I tie all my flies except in these situations: 1. I do not have the materials ( I have been collecting alot of material so this does not happen often ) 2. I have never tied that fly, but hear it’s the ‘go to’ fly for my next fishing adventure. I’ll buy one to copy. 3. Egg patterns ( I have not figured out glo-bugs and I’m not pouring plastics) Flies I really enjoy tying: 1. Soft Hackles (that and they work great) 2. Balsa wood bass poppers 3. Spun deer hair flies Flies I end up tying most of the time: 1. Soft Hackles 2. Adams 3. Wolly Buggers 4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)
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I tie virtually all my own flies and love doing so, there are occasions in the peak of the season where I am unable to keep up and need to restock from commercial supplies. Clark Guided Flyfishing in paradise! http://www.dryflynz.cjb.net
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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.
I tie most flys I use often, like bead heads and wooly buggers..I buy most dries, i’m not a very good tyer. Tim Apple
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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?
Personally, I tie my own. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.
I buy one as an example to take home as an aid so that I can tie my own. I have this thing about not fishing with flies I didn’t tie myself. I seldom use flies that were either bought or given to me by a friend unless I am totally out of the pattern and have nothing that will substitute. When I met Lou Teletski in Yellowstone we had a little "mini-fly swap" which was pretty cool. It was fun seeing some of the patterns I have heard many of the ROFFians back east talk about that are not popular out here. I stuck the flies in my collection of patterns, which I keep as examples, and have since tied a few of my own duplicates. It is kind of nice doing it this way because you always have the original example pattern and still get the pleasure of tying/using your own flies. The more I practice, the better the pattern turns out and eventually I can make a halfway decent replica. — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt
Harry Mason: For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies.
Don’t you mean "one can NOT cheat on big flies"? After receiving a book on Carrie Stevens, I went out and bought all the feathers and stuff to tie her flies. Boy, do little mistakes show up as big ones when you are tying a size 2 8x. I am keeping the 1st Grey Ghost and Rapid River that I have tied. Hopefully, somewhere down the line, I will improve, especially with the proportions. But, right now, I am struggling. I want these to be perfect, and I doubt I have the knowledge/skill at this point. Dave LaCourse
Anything with knotted Pheasant tail legs. I have to have a few Islay malts first. Maybe that’s the problem.
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When I go on an extended trip, I always take along my tieing gear. When I get there (wherever) there always seems to be one fly or another that’s hot that week, and it’s usually something I don’t have in my 500+ on-hand. The question is generally, "Do I want to tie flies, or do I want to fish?" Since I usually fish from dawn to dusk, I end up buying them, regardless of how easy they may be to tie. There’s nothing that I buy instead of tie because of the difficulty. That doesn’t mean mine will turn out as well, however… As a germane aside, my sister is an expert fly tier, as well as an excellent fly fisher. She tied every evening for years, while watching t.v., tackling some of the most difficult for the challenge. Then her house burned up in the Oakland fire and she lost over 4,000 unfished flies. The insurance comany tried to pay her for the hooks, feathers, etc., but finally did settle up for replacement value. Max Before you buy.
I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?
I’m pretty new at this tying thing, so for me it comes down to anything with hackle, anything with wings, and anything with dubbing. :-) I’m getting better, though (I’ve just about got this GRW thing <g). Joe F.
What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?
spun deer hair flies microfibbet tails extended bodied mayflies Mu
How ’bout #20 Tricos? I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me… I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!
Mike; I found a few tyers like that in England. Incredible flies at a great price. Unfortunately, I’m pretty tight-fisted right now and can’t buy a fly unless I’m using it as a model. Flies that I would rather have made - Tupp’s Indespensible (I don’t have a good source for a ram’s (tupp) scrotum hairs. Frank’s Fightin’ Craw – I get tired when I’m on the 60th fly of the evening. Can’t we just ship them off to Thailand for production? Classic salmon flies – I got to sit down and watch Poul Jorgensen tie at a Partridge of Redditch event for 2 hours. It was awesome. I tried to replicate his efforts and felt woefully inadequate. First flies on the new water – need model flies to figure out the pattern. What does a White Miller Caddis look like if you’ve never seen it and have to get ready for the hatch? Burnt wing flies – you know how many decent wings I’ve torched trying to do this? You know what this smells like? "The fly that the guy at the bottom of the pool is cleaning up with while I’m being skunked." If some one came along the bank and said "hey, want what he’s using? 20 bucks!" I would be on him like buzzards on the renderin’ wagon. Its a testosterone thing. Why did you buy that new Ford 350 pick’em-up wid da V-8 and when your wife would have been happy with a new Ford Focus? Its a testosterone thing. Why do you have tools in your work room that most people just rent? Its a testosterone thing. Why do you wanna jump Anna Nichole Smith’s bones? Hell with testosterone, if you don’t you be dead. Frank "stream of conciousness" Reid Before you buy.
How ’bout #20 Tricos? I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me… I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!
______ Probably kidnapped and raped by real Tricos. Those little bugs are real gang bangers. Those little suckers can catch you the largest trout of your life on a dry Ian. I wish we could get together on a river or three I have in mind regarding these little devils. It is perhaps the most exciting kind of dry fly fishing any man could hope for, my friend. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
For me, anything smaller that 18, I would rather buy, my ole eyes can’t take it much any more. I love fishing the tiny fly in the tiny stream. chris
I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ? I’ll start… 1 Royal Wullf 2 Kauffman stones 3 small humpy 4 no hackles 5 prince….my fav 6 muddler style flies Harry Mason www.troutflies.com
1. Dave’s Hopper, 2. Dave’s Hopper…6. Dave’s Hopper Lou
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Those of us that do tye and there lots of reasons not to :-) do have patterns that we just hate . Clipped Deer hair seems to head the list. Small bugs are intimidating to some but IMO they can and usually are a easier to build than the big ones. For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How ’bout #20 Tricos? I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me… I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!
<< I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… I guess I am an odd duck in the world of fly fishing but I hate tying flies. I love building rods and wrapping the guides but fly tying drives me nuts. For years I forced myself to tie due to the high prices in the fly shops but I finally found a store that sells high quality flies for .50 each. For the first time in years, my fly box is full of dry flys of every size shape and color. I have enjoyed fishing this a lot more because I don’t go through the pre-trip tying grind. So I guess my vote is for all of them. Mike
Easy, anything with stacked, compressed and clipped deer hair. I hate spinning and clipping deer hair – the fly usually ends up looking like shit. I can never get it compressed enough without bending the hook or breaking something and when I clip it, it looks like it just lost a fight with a chainsaw. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Getting started in Oregon… (How?)
Hello! I tried fly fishing in the beautiful mountains of Lake Tahoe and found it a wonderful experience! I now live in Portland, Oregon and would like to take it up. I hear Oregon is a good spot for fly fishing. If anyone has any advise on how to get started, I would be very grateful… My children (2 girls) are 4 and 6 years old. I now have the opportunity to take a weekend and try this wonderful sport. I am looking for advise on: 1. Equipment to get started with (beginner stuff) 2. Places close to Portland to go and try this, without annoying the experts :^) 3. The times of year to go 4. Anyone who would like to have me tag along on a day trip… I am 29 and in good shape (for hiking into those "great spots"). The first time I tried it, I think I did fairly well (picking up on the motions). But I definitely need some pointers on what I might be doing incorrectly… Thanks! –Mike
check out http://www.csport.com site for countrysport fly fishing shop, downtown Portland. Very helpful and they hold classes for different levels on the Crooked River in central Oregon. Drop in and se them or give them a call. Don Beaverton
Have a look at the Oregon section of the Anadromous page http://www.scotangling.com/oregon/reports.htm Lots of useful info and people to contact.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Yellowstone River
Which comes to my contention: this nonsense of isolating the disease is a waste of time, effort and money. The only way you can stop a disease is thru immunity. Find the genetics that make some rainbows and most browns immune, and propagate that to the rainbows. Or come up with a "treatment" that can be added to the stream bed to negate the effects of the tubifex worm. The idea of isolating trout from the disease makes as much sense as telling folks we can stop AIDS if all we do is stop having sex!
there has been some research that shows that tubiflex worms survive well in altered habitats (tailwaters, heavily logged and grazed areas). the key to stopping the spore from affecting fish is to work to stop tubiflex worms. this can be done by restoring and protecting good fish habitat. hatchery fish are not the answer to WD. habitat is the key in this and almost all fishery battles. chris
Doesn’t surprise me. Rock Creek and the Big Hole are also reporting whirling disease. When first told that the parasite eggs were capable of being transported on waders, it occured to me that in the past, I’d fish the Madison one day and Big Hole or Yellowstone the next. I did this for several years before the "announcement" came. How many thousands of other fishermen did the same? Which comes to my contention: this nonsense of isolating the disease is a waste of time, effort and money. The only way you can stop a disease is thru immunity. Find the genetics that make some rainbows and most browns immune, and propagate that to the rainbows. Or come up with a "treatment" that can be added to the stream bed to negate the effects of the tubifex worm. The idea of isolating trout from the disease makes as much sense as telling folks we can stop AIDS if all we do is stop having sex!
Hi Group, Last evening I received a distubing bit of new that whirling disease has been discovered in the Yellowstone River near the spring creeks in the Paradise Valley. I think there is supposed to be some type of announcment in the next day or so. We’ll see what happens from there. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
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I have tryed to post a message several times & nothing seems to show-up. Obviously I do not understand how to post. So If anyone reads this, please explain how to do so… The "Post New Article" icon does not yield any results ? Thanks New
I have tryed to post a message several times & nothing seems to show-up. Obviously I do not understand how to post. So If anyone reads this, please explain how to do so… The "Post New Article" icon does not yield any results ?
Terry: If I’m replying, it’s because you were successful in posting to the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly group. What newsreader are you using? If you’re unable to see your own posts, it’s because your newsreader considers your posts "read" already. Try setting your newsreader to display read posts (or not to skip old articles, whatever – depends on the newwsreader), and you should be able to see your own posts. Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dave, Thanks for the information, I am new to this but finally think have it figured-out. Gail
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Problems w/ Woolly Buggers
I just returned from the river today where I fished with woolly buggers for a substaintial amount of time (first time I used them the majority of the day). My problem is this: After a few casts, the tippet and leader become so twisted up that if I’m not carefull in the way I let it unwind, I get a tangled mess. Through streamside testing, I have determined that the palmered hackle acts like a propeller during the cast and thus spins the fly while it’s flying through the air. I played with it in the water and did not notice any twisting there, so it must be during the casting. Surely I’m not the only one who has experienced this. What’s the deal?
I do a couple of things to prevent this as much as possible. I generally weight my woolies, and I do so by using fairly large diameter lead. Instead of wrapping the lead around the hook, I use a straight piece that I lash flat to the bottom of the hook. This seems to act something like a weighted keel. Another suggestion would be to build up the body diameter slightly more so that the palmered hackle fibers are spaced out a bit more. The lead thing alone works pretty well for me though. -tgades —
I have fished quite a bit with wooly buggers and have never had a problem with the twisting of the line. It could be that you are using too long a leader. I think also, that fishing with wooly buggers does not require the long casts that a streamer does. If the wooly bugger imitates a leach, the fish would be looking for them more close to shore in the shallower, calmer waters. Don’t try to cast it half way across the river……short light casts and slow retreives might make the difference. You may also need to slow down your casting action..you really have to wait for the fly to extend before you power it ahead.. good luck.
I just returned from the river today where I fished with woolly buggers for a substaintial amount of time (first time I used them the majority of the day). My problem is this: After a few casts, the tippet and leader become so twisted up that if I’m not carefull in the way I let it unwind, I get a tangled mess. Through streamside testing, I have determined that the palmered hackle acts like a propeller during the cast and thus spins the fly while it’s flying through the air. I played with it in the water and did not notice any twisting there, so it must be during the casting. Surely I’m not the only one who has experienced this. What’s the deal?
Since you state it was your first time with wooly buggers, you may have made the same error I did. Unless the water is crystal clear and the fish are extremely skittish, cut your leader way back to no more than 3 to 4 feet. Also go heavy with with the leader, 3x should prevent twisting, wind knots, etc. It still won’t cast well, but a heck of a lot better than on a long, light leader. Can save your ear or keep you from being thrown in the water by someone you nail with your uncontrolable wooly bugger. And, believe it or not, it will produce more fish. -Dick
I just returned from the river today where I fished with woolly buggers for a substaintial amount of time (first time I used them the majority of the day). My problem is this: After a few casts, the tippet and leader become so twisted up that if I’m not carefull in the way I let it unwind, I get a tangled mess. Through streamside testing, I have determined that the palmered hackle acts like a propeller during the cast and thus spins the fly while it’s flying through the air. I played with it in the water and did not notice any twisting there, so it must be during the casting. Surely I’m not the only one who has experienced this. What’s the deal? Any suggestions other than unwind the twists every other cast? Would a second palmered hackle wrapped the opposite direction cancel the effect? I’m suprized that I’ve never heard about this before. Your suggestions are always welcome. A sunny day, a box of midges, and a wandering stream… Man, this MUST be heaven! < Steve Kulpa <<