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"Upon reviewing A Modern Dry-Fly Code for this new edition I am struck by the remarkable intensity of the narrative, which seems a little strange to me now. For me fly-fishing was never a contemplative man’s recreation.  I could never achieve the placidity or the detachment expressed in Izaak Walton’s Compleat Angler; since Walton practiced and wrote abut a blood sport, he and his book will remain forever anomalies in fishing literature.  If anything, fly-fishing was and is for me a constant state of excitement, and my attitude is best likened to that of a hound dog joyously baying in full, hot pursuit of its quarry.  True, there are many sections in the "Code" that seem to have philosophical flavor; but this is only because they represent some attempt to rationalize the behavior of trout and the imitations in the form of dry flies.  The excitement that I mention was and is generated as much by the preliminary moves as by the ultimate capture of a trout.  The mysteries of fly-fishing and the inscrutable ways of trout will forever fascinate me." Vincent C. Marinaro "A Modern Dry-Fly Code"  Second Edition: My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of rivers and streams and I’m sure his beloved LeTort is still haunted by memories of many who have seen him fish it.  I am struck by the words, as often said in "A River Runs Through It,"  "They are under the rocks of time . . . ," and never has anyone expressed my feelings about the ways of the trout better than what Vincent has portrayed in his masterful volume, "A Modern Dry-Fly Code". The older I get the more I seem to like to visit old friends through their literary works.  It remember often sitting with these gentlemen, perhaps enjoying a libation after a nice meal and waxing about the world of fly fishing, the people involved in it at that time, and the many hours of pleasant conversations and pleasant thoughts. Vincent, as a fly tier, was more like a paint artist who was more of an impressionist then anything else.  He was a man mindful of form and silhouette rather then a mechanical perfectionist. The deadliest fly creation Vincent has ever created from the world of terrestrials is his Jassid Series in my opinion.  I doubt if many Roffians  use this fly much at all because Vincent’s work is now considered "old hat" when in fact the man’s work is still light years ahead of the modern generation.  I wouldn’t be caught naked without a tray full of Marinaro Jassid flies or beetles.  It’s a shame so many modern fishermen are hypnotized by only aquatic insects in lieu of terra ferma crawlies, save the multi colored ants and hoppers?  Ants can be found with most fly fishermen but when it comes to paying attention to the millions of tons of terrestrials that fall into America’s rivers, that is just about it. This is a sound premise to consider a fly exchange that deals only with terrestrials. Anyone who does fish a favorite terrestrial should submit it to me for entry into "Flies of the World" web site so it may be shared it around the world.  Nothing is more fun than rereading this great work by Vincent which is well worth anyone’s time during this fly tying season. George Gehrke "A Look Backward"

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"George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of

bliuztfrugmfjpk……      Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence." The older I get the more I seem to like to visit old friends through their literary works.

    Which is the most amount of interaction you ever had with any of flyfishing’s great ones. Every time another great one dies and is unable to deny knowing you, he becomes your "dear old friend". What a lying sack of shit you are.

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"George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of bliuztfrugmfjpk……      Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence."

Me and Ike and Julie had a big row about this sort of thing one time. They’d gotten in the habit of telling everybody we knew that we were like, REALLY close chums.  Never could make them understand that it’s unseemly for students to presume that sort of familiarity with their mentor.  Kids!  Whattya gonna do with ‘em?   Wolfgang

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"a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously. Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of bliuztfrugmfjpk……      Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence." Me and Ike and Julie had a big row about this sort of thing one time. They’d gotten in the habit of telling everybody we knew that we were like, REALLY close chums.  Never could make them understand that it’s unseemly for students to presume that sort of familiarity with their mentor.  Kids!  Whattya gonna do with ‘em?   Wolfgang

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"a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously.

Uh huh….  But what did you think of the book itself? JR

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its not one of my favorites, though sure its interesting. Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously. Uh huh….  But what did you think of the book itself? JR

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Mr. Gehrke! Though I know of Mr. Marinaros

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If you swing by that way again, look for some of the hot springs (green algae areas, some with rocks built up along the banks) parallel and down stream of the pool.  I have not fished them personally but rafted by them this summer.  The Guide pointed them out and said they were popular year round (especially winter) fishing spots. Scott any great skill-my love for fishing is not matched by my talent for it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then I noticed my feet were wet and getting cold. Apparently, some idiot decided to wade in the Colorado River at about 7000 feet or higher, without waders. You believe the nerve of that moron?

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Last week we stopped there on our way back from Grand Mesa NF. It’s amazing how few people there were for a Sunday afternoon with good weather, I sat and studied the water for a while, and then discarded all I knew and tied on a black Wooly Worm, and started working my way downstream. Not with any great skill-my love for fishing is not matched by my talent for it. Eventually, I found the trout. They either spooked from my presentation or exhibited some beautiful refusal rises. What the hell, getting a refusal from a 20" trout on the Colorado River is the same as actually catching a fish in some other places. Maybe even better. Besides, I was too lazy to tie on something else, and there weren’t any bugs in the air anyway. Then I noticed my feet were wet and getting cold. Apparently, some idiot decided to wade in the Colorado River at about 7000 feet or higher, without waders. You believe the nerve of that moron? Then I decided to try a new tack. Maybe I should be nymphing with this thing instead of fishing it on the surface. The trout down at the bottom aren’t as smart as the ones taking dries, right? (Probably wrong, actually.) And being too lazy to switch to a shorter leader…actually, the only change I made was a tiny little piece of twist-on. And maybe I got a few hits and was a little late setting up. I was a little distracted. Until one cast…snagged my fly in a tree maybe 20′ off the ground. I start trying to jerk it out, and lost the entire leader instead. Clinch knot good. Mike’s nail knot, apparently bad. Oops. And the flyline splashed into the water, as flylines are wont to do when they’re being waved through the air. And a fish tried to take the end of the line. Maybe I should have tried a yellow fly? — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!  Unlike the new ISP I just subscribed to, which apparently only posts periodically.  I will use your suggested service I believe. Op

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Cool Ope, and as a backup here’s one out of Canuckland that is even faster: (free-news.risq.qc.ca) with apologies to all our hoser roffians. Frank (pro-hoser) Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!  Unlike the new ISP I just subscribed to, which apparently only posts periodically.  I will use your suggested service I believe. Op

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

That’s funny – my Alacrity Detector(tm) didn’t go off… /daytripper ("Back to the laboratory!")

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

        *alacrity*?  a guy from boone who uses "alacrity"?  what the hell is the world coming to?         you go, opie! wayno

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I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

Damn Opie, now *I’ve* gotta go look something up in the dictionary…. Regards, Jeff

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That’s funny – my Alacrity Detector(tm) didn’t go off…

That’s because it’s calibrated in nanoseconds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity! Damn Opie, now *I’ve* gotta go look something up in the dictionary…. Regards, Jeff

Jeff, I got tired of hauling out my dictionary with the fine print just to read a fly fishing News Group so I bought a talking dictionary on a CD.  Now I look them up with alacrity.  I even know how to pronounce strange words that show up on ROFF. Ernie Harrison

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I’m leaning toward the Spring Creek because it’s a DT line, so you get two lines for price of one. Anyone here used a Spring Creek?

I have a Spring Creek in DT5. My only complaint is it has a lot of memory and so coils up worse than most. It’s relatively old though, ‘93 I think, so perhaps Orvis has improved that since then. — Ken Fortenberry

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Since I am in Kansas <g, the season is closed in WI, and just because I like you, email your snail address to me and I’ll ship you my 2 wt to try out, then you can ship it back to me.

Excellent ! Did you make it to Crane Creek last weekend ? You know, trip reports are mandatory in January. Thanks, Wayne. — Ken Fortenberry

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… SA still makes the Ultra 3 in a buckskin (like the one I sent you.)  Keep them in mind.

I assume it’s a 2wt, is it a WF or a DT ? I’ve never had it off the spool, I’ll have to give it a try. You are right about the long front taper not being appropriate for close in work. You know some of the places where I want to fish with the 2 & 3 wt and there’s rarely a time when you have more than 20′-25′ of line out. — Ken Fortenberry

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Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ?

My favorite rod/line combo is the Sage 484-3 SPL with the 4 wt. Quiet Taper line. With this combo I can cast all of the line easily, and indeed roll cast most of the line! I find it fishes in close well also. The other added advantage to this thinner line is a very quiet presentation, very important for places like Washington’s Rocky Ford creek or Wyoming’s Flat Creek where delicacy is a must. I think the main key is matching it with the rod you are fishing. The SPL series are medium action rods and these are the rods Sage designed the lines to match. Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks Seattle, WA Before you buy.

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I assume it’s a 2wt, is it a WF or a DT ? I’ve never had it off the spool, I’ll have to give it a try. You are right about the long front taper not being appropriate for close in work. You know some of the places where I want to fish with the 2 & 3 wt and there’s rarely a time when you have more than 20′-25′ of line out. — Ken Fortenberry

Ken It’s a DT-2-F Mastery Ultra 3 with something like a 7′ front taper. That’s the line I used routinely on that rod and it short casted just fine. Peter Peter email is spam blocked – remove first ’s’

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That’s the line I used routinely on that rod and it short casted just fine.

And a short cast for you is what, 100′<g. — Charlie…

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Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ? I currently have Cortland Clear Creeks on my 2 & 3 wts and I’m not real happy with them. It’s catalog season in the great white north and in perusing the catalogs these sound nice for close, delicate casting and they couldn’t possibly roll cast any worse than a Clear Creek. — Ken Fortenberry

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Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ? I currently have Cortland Clear Creeks on my 2 & 3 wts and I’m not real happy with them. It’s catalog season in the great white north and in perusing the catalogs these sound nice for close, delicate casting and they couldn’t possibly roll cast any worse than a Clear Creek. — Ken Fortenberry

Ken I don’t know about the Quiet Tapers but the Clear Creeks aren’t a close in type of line.  Did some checking a while back and the front taper is quite long.  SA still makes the Ultra 3 in a buckskin (like the one I sent you.)  Keep them in mind. Peter

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I like the Clear Creeks for the long thin front taper but also have some performance issues and wear issues with them.  In looking around, the two other lines I came up with that have a similar long, thin front taper are the Sage Quiet Taper and the Orvis Spring Creek. I’m leaning toward the Spring Creek because it’s a DT line, so you get two lines for price of one. Anyone here used a Spring Creek? PS I don’t think any conventional line with this type of front taper is going to be very good at roll casts. Their strength will be a delicate presentation with a sacrifice in casting performance. A silk line was recommended to me as probably the ideal for delicate presentation while still having good casting performance.  Since they float in a different manner than conventional lines, a silk line in an equal weight is much thinner than a conventional line. I’m hard on my equipment and know I would never do the maintance necessary with a silk line. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ? I currently have Cortland Clear Creeks on my 2 & 3 wts and I’m not real happy with them. It’s catalog season in the great white north and in perusing the catalogs these sound nice for close, delicate casting and they couldn’t possibly roll cast any worse than a Clear Creek. — Ken Fortenberry

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writes: Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ?

It works as advertised with the Sage SPL rods. I get good distance and good presentation with mine. Since I am in Kansas <g, the season is closed in WI, and just because I like you, email your snail address to me and I’ll ship you my 2 wt to try out, then you can ship it back to me. Wayne Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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The quiet taper lines are recommended for the SPL series as they were designed around the taper of that rod.  Also, the lines only come in weight forward,  Try a DT line. Regards, Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have experience with or observations about Sage Quiet Taper Fly Lines ? I currently have Cortland Clear Creeks on my 2 & 3 wts and I’m not real happy with them. It’s catalog season in the great white north and in perusing the catalogs these sound nice for close, delicate casting and they couldn’t possibly roll cast any worse than a Clear Creek. — Ken Fortenberry

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oooooowowee, Ken, I guess Dave Whitlock had a lot to do with designing the Sage Quite Taper lines for the new ultra light/soft Sage SPL series. I heard that they designed the line first and then worked on the rods. I guess it has a special core and is tapered to preform best at 10 to 30 feet? I think the Sage ‘Quiet Taper’ and the Mastery ‘XPS’ DT  are the top choices around our shop for short casting for trout? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had mentioned that I wasn’t real happy with the Cortland Clear Creek Taper for fishing in close, less than 30-35 ft., and was wondering if the Sage Quiet Taper might be a better choice for fishing in close with light rods. ROFF’s ultimate gear whore just happened to have a Sage Quiet Taper WF2 already rigged up on an Orvis CFO 1, beautiful little reel BTW, and he sent it along via snail mail for me to try. Thanks, Wayne. I put it on the Peter Charles 1 wt and walked across the street to the retention pond with Kipper the hound to test it out. Cutting right to the chase, I couldn’t tell much difference between the Clear Creek Taper and the Quiet Taper in WF2. Both seem to have long, fine front tapers that would be nice and delicate at 35-40 ft but don’t load a 1 wt very well at less than 30 ft. Forget roll casting. The small mountain streams of western North Carolina require short casts and roll casts more often than long, delicate spring creek type casts. I’ll take Peter’s advice and rig up the SA Ultra 3 for a test cast on the ice. Speaking of the ice, it is really quite refreshing to do something incredibly stupid and have a good long belly laugh at yourself. After testing the two lines for in close casting I decided to see how far I could cast. My back cast hit the chain link fence of the tennis court at about 45 ft or so. Now a person with an IQ bigger than his shoe size would have just moved to the other side of the pond away from the tennis court. Not your dumb ass correspondent, no I decided the thing to do was to step out onto the ice a few feet. You ever seen a hound dog laugh ? Kipper the hound looked at me like he’d be forever embarrassed to be associated with such a stupid dog, and he was right. But what the hell, if you survive it, doing something stupid now and then can be sort of amusing. That was the end of the casting comparison, I was wet, the hound was dry and we hurried back across the street so that the dumber of the two could dry off. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s see… the 3dt mastery is on a Winston Perfect, the 3dt courtland 444 is on a Princess the 3/4 tt is on the TR1 the 3wf mastery is on a golden JLH,   the 3wf spring creek is on a LP1.5,,, the 3dt silk is on a St. George Nope sorry no more CFO I’s in the bin <g, in a fit of lust for some new cane I sold my CFO 123 to Peter, cheaply I might add. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

I thought I was a gear whore. Now it appears I am just a gear whore in training. Big Dale – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’ll take Peter’s advice and rig up the SA Ultra 3 for a test cast on the ice.

You got one laying around or do you want me to mail you one of those too? <g But what the hell, if you survive it, doing something stupid now and then can be sort of amusing.

Great little story, thanks. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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(gear report and self-inflicted casualty report snipped) LOL, Forty.  I’m sure the hound had a good laugh. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’ll take Peter’s advice and rig up the SA Ultra 3 for a test cast on the ice. You got one laying around or do you want me to mail you one of those too? <g

Peter sent one, but I don’t have it rigged up. You could send another one of those beautiful little Orvis CFO’s if you want. Great little story, thanks.

Thanks, … I think. — Ken Fortenberry

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writes: Peter sent one, but I don’t have it rigged up. You could send another one of those beautiful little Orvis CFO’s if you want.

Let’s see… the 3dt mastery is on a Winston Perfect, the 3dt courtland 444 is on a Princess the 3/4 tt is on the TR1 the 3wf mastery is on a golden JLH,   the 3wf spring creek is on a LP1.5,,, the 3dt silk is on a St. George Nope sorry no more CFO I’s in the bin <g, in a fit of lust for some new cane I sold my CFO 123 to Peter, cheaply I might add. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I had mentioned that I wasn’t real happy with the Cortland Clear Creek Taper for fishing in close, less than 30-35 ft., and was wondering if the Sage Quiet Taper might be a better choice for fishing in close with light rods. ROFF’s ultimate gear whore just happened to have a Sage Quiet Taper WF2 already rigged up on an Orvis CFO 1, beautiful little reel BTW, and he sent it along via snail mail for me to try. Thanks, Wayne. I put it on the Peter Charles 1 wt and walked across the street to the retention pond with Kipper the hound to test it out. Cutting right to the chase, I couldn’t tell much difference between the Clear Creek Taper and the Quiet Taper in WF2. Both seem to have long, fine front tapers that would be nice and delicate at 35-40 ft but don’t load a 1 wt very well at less than 30 ft. Forget roll casting. The small mountain streams of western North Carolina require short casts and roll casts more often than long, delicate spring creek type casts. I’ll take Peter’s advice and rig up the SA Ultra 3 for a test cast on the ice. Speaking of the ice, it is really quite refreshing to do something incredibly stupid and have a good long belly laugh at yourself. After testing the two lines for in close casting I decided to see how far I could cast. My back cast hit the chain link fence of the tennis court at about 45 ft or so. Now a person with an IQ bigger than his shoe size would have just moved to the other side of the pond away from the tennis court. Not your dumb ass correspondent, no I decided the thing to do was to step out onto the ice a few feet. You ever seen a hound dog laugh ? Kipper the hound looked at me like he’d be forever embarrassed to be associated with such a stupid dog, and he was right. But what the hell, if you survive it, doing something stupid now and then can be sort of amusing. That was the end of the casting comparison, I was wet, the hound was dry and we hurried back across the street so that the dumber of the two could dry off. — Ken Fortenberry

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup. Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter.

He said ‘newsgroup’<g. — Charlie…

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alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter.

as does alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup…

- Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well…. Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup. Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter. He said ‘newsgroup’<g.

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark…

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup… – Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well….

Send ‘em to George. He could use the company…

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup… – Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well…. Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

        post or die, yankee devil! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – post or die, yankee devil! wayno

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there!

Ever seen Basic Instinct?  Michael Douglas called her "the fuck of the century".  And he get’s around, from what I hear. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there!

        in a display of courage that has been a lifetime hallmark, i am willing to give her a shot. wayno

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– Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile.

What, who, huh? BTW, I once mistakenly looked up www.teeny.com thinking it was Jim Teeny’s web site.  For the record, it’s www.teeny-nymph.com. Mu

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Mu Young Lee sets us straight: What, who, huh? BTW, I once mistakenly looked up www.teeny.com thinking it was Jim Teeny’s web site.  For the record, it’s www.teeny-nymph.com.

- Which shouldn’t be confused with: alt.teeny.nymphs 8)* – Sorry….couldn’t resist.

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup.  Ask any who wish to view it to contact you directly and ship it individually.  Some of our members pay per usage on the connection.  If my Queensland buddy in Brisbane gets wind of this he may take a break from "swimming the bar" and hunt you down just for the sport.  Damn near declared ‘roos endangered in parts of Australia because of his over-eagerness! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup.

Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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Couple of friends and I are interested in doing some fly fishing (2 of us are trying to learn) in Ontario this spring.  I was told that there are lakes in Ontario with white fish (considered "rough" but with commercial value) that take Mayflies on the surface.  We naturally thought this would be an ideal way to learn to fly fish and catch some fish as well.  Does anyone know of such lakes?  Has anyone done this?  Is this a bizarre idea? Thank you. Kwan Soo

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Couple of friends and I are interested in doing some fly fishing (2 of us are trying to learn) in Ontario this spring.  I was told that there are lakes in Ontario with white fish (considered "rough" but with commercial value) that take Mayflies on the surface.  We naturally thought this would be an ideal way to learn to fly fish and catch some fish as well.  Does anyone know of such lakes?  Has anyone done this?  Is this a bizarre idea? Thank you. Kwan Soo

        I’ve always found white fish to be bottom feeders, it would surprise me to see them come up for a dry. But, it could happen. I would think you would have much better luck with wet flies. Good luck.

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Kwan Soo, Better look for a medium sized river that has some trout and a good hatch. This is much better and a lot easier than a lake and white fish. I am sure you will like this. Frans Bosman Amsterdam

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White fish like Lake trout are deep water bottom feeders.  The only time they come in shallow and to the surface is early spring and late fall when the water is really cold.  You have to be here before turnover in the spring and after turnover in the fall.  The timing could be really tricky. Any of the Great lakes tributaries have them.  They come in to high current areas to feed and spawn much like walleye.  Buttermilk Falls on Boshkung lake in Ontario’s Haliburton Highlands has a great run Canadian newsgroup that will have more info.  I’ve never heard of flyfishing for them but where you find white fish you’ll probably find lake trout too.  I doubt you will have much success just because of how the feed.  I’d think a streamer on a sinking line would work better then flies.  I’ve never seen a whitefish rise before.  Your are allowed to keep 25 whitefish a day in Ontario and they average about 3 pounds and are excellent fighters.  They have the most paper thin mouths of any species of fish I’ve encountered and not losing the majority of the fish hooked is impossible.  In the summer whitefish are caught in 100 feet or deeper water and always on bottom.

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10! I haven’t seen it (it’s coming from Portland today), I haven’t paddled it– but living in N. Idaho, I wouldn’t be able to do that kind of thing anyway.  I told Young Scott that he was lucky being able to put all those different cool boats in one spot and paddle away– and, ya know, I do miss that warm SE whitewater (I lived in Durham before I moved out here).  Paddling w/out dry gear is the exception– not the rule.

You did manage to pick one of the very few boats I have not paddled.   I would think that you made an excellent choice though.   A souped up bigger Jive should be a very good river running play boat.  They had an excellent hull already and I am assuming they have improved it. Am I correct in what I am thinking this boat is? Scott Bristow

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10!

Great! But as with every situation, there are disadvantages (no demo days unless you want to go to Portland!) — but there are also advantages.

Ummm, you need to check out Mountain Gear more often.  Two days from now, saturday the 16th, Mad River is having a demo days on the Spokane river in conjunction with Mountain Gear.  M.G. also bring a lot of kayaks. Additionally, M.G. makes a weekly trip to the river to demo their boats…it must be tough being an employee there.  Get their schedule. Call them if you want a particular boat brought for you to try.  We are less than an hour from you; how have you missed this?

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Well, I got home from Stanley to see my new Jive 8-10 sitting in my shop. Haven’t paddled it, but it looks like a great boat for a big person.  Similar to the Hammer (and about as roomy), similar kind of forward rocker, but more balanced bow and stern volume.  Doesn’t look like a squirter, but I’ll take it out and get back to folks. Thanks for all the input– though I ended up doing what I did, reading about all the different boats helped.  Looks like the 8-10 will be good for other big folks, and we can start having the fun without the misery that smaller folks have been having in some of the cooler boats. DISCLAIMER:  I have not! paddled either the Jive 8-10 or the Hammer, just sat in them.  I’ll file an update after I get out this week. Chuck You did manage to pick one of the very few boats I have not paddled.   I would think that you made an excellent choice though.   A souped up bigger Jive should be a very good river running play boat.  They had an excellent hull already and I am assuming they have improved it. Am I correct in what I am thinking this boat is? Scott Bristow

– Charles Pezeshki, Director Clearwater Biodiversity Project 1031 Spring Valley Rd. Troy, ID 83871 208-835-2999 (Voice and FAX) Call before sending FAX To check out my new book, "Wild to the Last: Environmental Conflict in the Clearwater Country", go to http://publications.urel.wsu.edu:80/Press/WildtoLast.html

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<<DISCLAIMER:  I have not! paddled either the Jive 8-10 or the Hammer, just sat in them.  I’ll file an update after I get out this week.  Chuck New boats, before you paddle them, are just like the next generation of computer operating systems:  they will solve ALL the problems with what you are using now.  That is, until you actually start using them. -Ray

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    After fifteen years of  K-1 white-water paddling, I’ve gone over…..Gone over to the Dark Side.  To please the Lady, the Light and Love of my life (but…hey that’s another thread) I took an Orvis fly-fishing course this weekend. There I was… standing STILL in a river that I have paddled many times. I couldn’t help but think about my boating-self sliding by my new found fishing-self and how both of us felt. I (boating) have always tried to be silent and circumspect when passing anglers. Courtesy and etiquette (yet another thread?) seem to demand nothing less. Tis a lesson to be learned tho…. to walk a mile in another man’s uh….hip boots.  Fishing for trout is as incredible complex as learning linked cartwheels and mystery moves. And, I found out this weekend, as addictive. It came as a small revelation when our instructor informed us that trout can be spooked by the shadow of a fly-line passing overhead. Made me wonder what the shadow of a nine foot boat must do. I asked our instructor what he thought of  kayakers. I was expecting a diatribe but he turned to me and said, "Sure looks like fun…. and most of um try to be real quiet, too."  Maybe there is hope for us yet!

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10! I haven’t seen it (it’s coming from Portland today), I haven’t paddled it– but living in N. Idaho, I wouldn’t be able to do that kind of thing anyway.  I told Young Scott that he was lucky being able to put all those different cool boats in one spot and paddle away– and, ya know, I do miss that warm SE whitewater (I lived in Durham before I moved out here).  Paddling w/out dry gear is the exception– not the rule. But as with every situation, there are disadvantages (no demo days unless you want to go to Portland!) — but there are also advantages. We floated Lolo Ck., a classic Class IV-V run, 18 miles, one hour from my house, last weekend.  There was only one other party on the river– another group of friends (gloat). Gotta do the enviro thing this weekend (keep those rivers running free with actual trees next to them), but hopefully, I’ll be up on that big ole Lochsa wave, 360-ing away next week!  Stay tuned. Chuck — Charles Pezeshki, Director Clearwater Biodiversity Project To check out my new book, "Wild to the Last: Environmental Conflict in the Clearwater Country", go to http://publications.urel.wsu.edu:80/Press/WildtoLast.html

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Anybody know of a reputable flyfishing guide in the Marco Island, Naples Florida area? I’m going there second week of July and would like to book a trip or two. Thanks!!!

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Anybody know of a reputable flyfishing guide in the Marco Island, Naples Florida area? I’m going there second week of July and would like to book a trip or two. Thanks!!!

Jim, Here’s a few that I’m aware of in the Naples area: Capt. Robert S. Collins Jr. 941-262-1970 Richard D’Onofrio 941-389-0114 Capt. Joe Wierback 941-643-4112 (home) 941-793-3370 (Fly Shop) Capt. Glenn Puopolo 941-594-1828 Capt. Jim Nickerson 941-353-5448 The word in the area is that all of the above are very good and USCG licensed. They all cover the areas of the Everglades, 10,000 Islands, Marco Island for Snook, Tarpon, Redfish, and Trout. Enjoy your trip Ken

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A friend of mine needs some information on fly fishing the Chesapeake, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. He wants to know if anyone knows any good spots, how to access them, what flies to use, etc. Any information on guide services in the area would also be appreciated. Thanks!

Try Anglers Sport Center (410) 252-0556 in Annapolis, Tochtermans in Baltimore is at (410) 522-4237, Wolfs (410) 378-1112 in Ellicott City or The Fisherman’s Edge (Joe Bruce) is at (410) 719-7999 Catonsville.

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A friend of mine needs some information on fly fishing the Chesapeake, near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. He wants to know if anyone knows any good spots, how to access them, what flies to use, etc. Any information on guide services in the area would also be appreciated. Thanks!

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Bob, The Mascoma river flows into and out of Lake Mascoma about 5 miles from Dartmouth.  There are some nice rainbows in there.  There is a fly fishing area below the dam.  In the fall and spring the rainbows run up into the inlet and can be caught on a fly.   In the spring the Warner river has a few fish.  In West Henniker there is some nice special regulation water. I For the last couple years I have gotten some nice browns and rainbows there.  Some of my favorite spots are in the ponds in the White Mountain national forest.  There are some fly fishing only ponds that are beautiful, have some hatches and have some nice brook trout.  The Newfound river below Newfound Lake in Bristol,  NH has rainbows, brookies a few smallmouth and the occasional landlocked salmon.   For some of the best fishing in New England try the Connecticut river in Pittsburg, NH.  There are browns, rainbows, brookies and landlocks that run up out of the lakes for smelt in the spring and to spawn in the fall.   I don’t know anything about fishing in Vermont, but if you want more info about NH send me e-mail. Gerry

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I’m at school at Dartmouth and I’m looking for some fishing in the area.  Any suggestions.  I’m also interested in knowing what is the earliest I can go out and expect catching anything but a cold.  Thanks in advance… Bob Heiser

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