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I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys. I was there a few years ago. We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Try Knights Key, it should be listed in the camping directories. I have never stayed there but stopped by and it didn’t look to bad. Good Luck Rambler

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys. I was there a few years ago. We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Bahia Honda State Park is Beautiful. Get your reservations early though. http://www.bahiahondapark.com/ Adk Keith

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The KOA at Fiesta Key (Marathon) is nice. The waterfront sites are awesome. Especially at sunset. The interior sites are very narrow. Streetside slideouts would hit your neighbors RV. — Regards, Jim –

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I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands. Maybe somewhere around Marathon. Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

Try John Pennacamp SP…nice with it’s own coral reef Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Have stayed the past 3yrs at Sunshine Key resort–just over the 7mi bridge. Waterfront sites are nice, marina with boat dock right there, gas station right there, laundry, stuff for kids to do, movies, games etc. pool. Park is pet friendly as well.

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

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I live in a great RV park in Fl. Inexpensive as I go 6mos on and off. I rented a car last Sept instead of taking my MH as I was told it was hard to find a spot down there. Boy was I glad I did. US1 from Homestead to Key West was the worst slowest drive I have ever taken I’m not chicken either, I ‘v driven cross country in my MH with toad (even parked in downtown Houston). Try if you have a death wish!! Hope I have done this right. This is my first post

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

<http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY

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That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin.

Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken

Key West definitely is not a good place for a large rig. Unless you are military, I understand there is only one campground available, and it is not pleasant. About 10 miles north of KW is the state park Bahia Honda. If you can get a site, that would be an excellent base camp. See my 2000-2 journal. — Carl A. http://pages.prodigy.net/chainnj/Journal.htm

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<< <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY Travel Trailer…$64.00 My hundred guess was a little high. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin. Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

Well, ya gotta realize, those were 14 day rates and they came from the discounted rates section. I think for regular rates you need to fill out the questionnaire. Just for giggles, I checked the discount rate for 1 to 3 days, it’s a bit different <grin. <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter1-3daystay.htm HD in NY

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Two Christmas’ ago I checked and the price was $667.00 for one week, admittedly during the Christmas/New Year’s week. Fortunately I qualify for military FAM camps and enjoyed a week’s stay at the Coast Guard station within walking distance to downtown at $9.00 per night. — Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/madewar/ www.anticattic.com

: << You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park : : GB, : : That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we : talking less than a hundred? : : Tom :

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just spent 4 days at jabours over christmas. 104 a night all taxes and extra for the kids. it’s basically just a parking lot with hookups. but you’re paying for where it’s at, not what it looks like. b

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I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE | Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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Are there plenty of campgrounds?

Some, yes; plenty, no. How horrible is the traffic?

It’s not nearly as bad driving from somewhere TO there as it is to find a parking place after you GET there. The streets are narrow and crowded, and real estate is at a premium, so very little of it is used for parking. BTW, the drive down from Miami is absolutely spectacular. You’ll cross countless bridges, some of which are quite long, and the views out over the ocean are something you will never forget. Take your time and enjoy the ride — you can’t hurry anyway because of the congestion and the low speed limits. Be warned: US 1 down the Keys is NOT an expressway. Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West?

That depends on whether you want to hassle with parking every day when you drive into KW. (See above.) You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park (you can find their web site with a Google search), which is in downtown KW and within walking distance of almost everything. That way you can park your rig and not have to drive again. It’s crowded and tucked into what looks like a back alley, but it’s a nice place and very well maintained (and safe). Note: You will pay dearly for this convenience, just like you will pay for anything you get in KW. OTOH, if you stay farther up the Keys you will also pay dearly in the hassle of finding a parking place every day when you get to KW. Either way you pay. Not to say it’s not worth it, just be ready for sticker shock. KW is not a cheap place to visit at any time of the year. Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc.

They are "outrageous" (all things are relative) at any time, but worth it if you want to see KW. We’ve been there twice, some years ago, and will go again at some point when time permits. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions.

You’re welcome. Drive safely. GB in NC

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If you are eligible to use military facilities, NAS Key West has a campground on the Bay. Take a taxi on base to KW proper and walk or rent a bike. As GDinNC says, watch your speed, the Sheriff and Florida HP patrol and give tickets. RVC USMC (Ret)

I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – traffic? ….." Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE | Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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The last time I was in the Keys, it was about $65- a night, and was not even Key West. — Ted Harris http://www.tedharris.com

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… walk or rent a bike.

Good point. When we were there we didn’t move our camper at all, once we parked it on our "campsite" (I admit I’m using that term loosely — Jabour’s is not a traditional campground in the scenic, wooded sense <g). We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Anything you want to see elsewhere on the Keys, you can see on your way down or back up. In fact, I’d suggest taking notes on the drive down and then you’ll know how much time (if any, depending on your interests) to allow for stops on the way back up. GB in NC

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We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself.

Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing. It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available. Walking tours are really great! RVC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing. It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available. Walking tours are really great!

As are the sunset parties and the oysters! Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Blue Water Key RV resort about 15 miles from Key West is small (65 sites) quite with nice pool. Reserve early, can be expensive.

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Anyone know a good Keys campground for the Xmas Holidays? Interested in swimming and eating, and if at all possible, privacy and quiet. Scout

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

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Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

No way. You haven’t seen *anything* until you’ve seen Key West. Definitely go all the way down. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys?

Absolutely. The drive itself is worth it. The scenery is spectacular and like nothing you will see anywhere else. Any number of long, high bridges over the ocean, connecting the little islands. 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

Don’t know about this time of year. Always expect tourist traffic, though, and don’t be in a hurry. You’ll go through any number of congested areas. US 1 down the Keys is *not* an expressway. You’ll be driving at slower speeds than you’re used to driving on a major highway. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.?

Don’t know. There weren’t when we were there a few years ago. 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

Hemingway’s house is an interesting tour. Mel Fisher’s museum of recovered shipwreck treasures is worth the time, IMO. Be sure to walk down Duval Street (where all the bars are) for people-watching. There are some really different-looking people there. <g And be sure to be at Mallory Square (the docks) at sunset for a crazy time, with lots of street performers and counter-culture types having a good ol’ time. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

Everything is expensive (location, location, location) — but you can’t avoid it, so don’t worry about it. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

No. Not without rushing. And you wouldn’t have time to see anything once you got there. Besides, you need to be there at sunset (see above). 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

Nothing will seem "reasonably priced." But it’s worth it, especially for one night. We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC

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Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities:

<snipped I think the extensive list of URL’s probably busted his cell phone minute budget. Lon & Carolyn, find an RV park not too far away and just go for it! Report back on the sunsets and of, course, the food. If the guy on the lake is still offering parasailing, do that, too. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly.

Yes! We all forgot to tell Lon that taking a ride on the *Conch Train* is a must do. The chamber of commerce in the heart of town used to have a free walking tour map, too, that was very nice if yo are in to architecture. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

I love the raw oysters down there, but Lon is a Michigan boy and, from my experience they aren’t crazy about raw shellfish . They make this drink on the upper Keys called a rum runner which is awesome. You sit on the porch overlooking the Gulf of Mexico and watch the sun extinquish itself in the Gulf. You almost expcet to hear a hiss and see steam. It’s much quieter than the sunset parties on Key West, but a pleasant and memorable experience. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

LOL Your faith is justified. Lon

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Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

Thanks for all the links, but I connect via cell phone. Thankfully, most of the campground are covered pretty well in our directories. Add that to the fact Good luck with that BlueBird. If money were no object, I’d swallow hard and tolerate the diesel smell and noise to have one. After touring the factory, I can’t imagine any unit being built stronger. Lon

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For kicks, look over at the old and crumbling Bahia Honda bridge which parallels Seven Mile, or walk out on it to fish and think of what driving that must have been like.

Many a truck had their mirrors knocked off going across that old bridge when they passed each other. If you like fish be sure to get a fried grouper sandwich at the 7 mile grill on the north side of the bridge. Great! Dennis

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Maybe this will change your mind about Key West. I absolutely love going there – and I am a liberal. It is the only true tropical weather in the continental USA (no daily average temperature below 32 degrees). It has all of the tropical plants that go with that climate. Add historic buildings – add beaches – plenty of shops and restaurants – championship sports fishing – golf – sailboat as sunset – circus cats – manmade land of coral – beautiful blue waters – sunsets – snorkeling – flying to fort jefferson – the Cuban adventure – refugees in little boats made of inner tubes and sapplings – light houses – salvaging on the reefs – gold coins from Spanish galleons – Flaglers railroad bridges - Duval St – museums in forts – perfectly flat bicycling – mopeds – scooters – tour ships – first class hotels – bed and breakfasts made from mahogany from old ships – old homes – the conch train – Audabon home – Hemmingway home and cats – artistic community – college kids at spring breaks – drunks – bikinis – rainbow flags – driving down route 1 to its end – and the strong presence of the gay community.

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

Will do, Larrie. Thanks for the tip. Lon

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Lon 1st, if you don’t get accommodations in the Keys,,, at least get something in the Homestead area.. This time a year we are a bit full of snow birds, so your drive from Florida City to Key West can take a couple hours,,, it’s only 127 miles,, but also only one road,,, US 1,,, not a lot of traffic lights,, but few passing areas.. Here is the FAQ maintained by the crowd on the Florida Sportsman Fishing Forum: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=100907 It is full of everything you need to know,, from accommodations, to weather, fishing seasons, guide services, flora & fauna.. You should try one of our State parks,, either Long Key or Bahia Honda,, the later is only 33 miles from Key West. There are also several KOA’s and other parks that can accommodate the biggest of the pushers… Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities: Sugarloaf KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koasugarloaf Fiesta Key KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koafiesta Dry Tortugas National Park – http://www.dry.tortugas.nation…g.htm Sunshine Key Encore Campground – http://www.encorerv.com/unique…n.htm Long Key State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Bahia Honda State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp John Pennekamp State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Knights Key Campground – http://www.seefloridaonline.co…athon You are a little late for the annual debauchery,,, we have a party at the end of October called Fantasy Fest,, based loosely on Halloween,, very similar to New Orleans’s Marti Gras,,, rather than use Ash Wednesday, we use All Saints Day,,, We encourage parents not to bring the KIDS,,, nufff said??? GB in NC hit your Q’s well,,, Here are a couple other web sites that may be of interest: http://www.fantasyfest.net/ << the official site http://www.bigeasychoppers.com/festival1.html <<<< some pictures for the strong of hart If you fly fish,, here is a note I wrote a while back that address wade fishing: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=95444 Good Luck,, Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone.

Neither of us particularly like "crowded", and would avoid the keys entirely for that reason were it not for all the great things we have heard about it. I want to see it, but don’t want to stay long. It just doesn’t make sense to either of us to drive the MH 500 miles round trip to spend one night in it. Logically, since campgrounds generally cost $50/night on the keys, we figure we can spend up to $200 on a motel and food, and still be money ahead of the game. Besides, we’ve only spent 3 nights in the last 16 months which weren’t in the MH. It’ll be like a mini vacation. <g Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

What are the odds of getting in next week without a reservation? Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said. It’s one corner of this country. You have to be there at least once. Tom M

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PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

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You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Janet, ruining her reputation <g The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year. Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

Thanks Lon, we are very happy with our new status. regards to Carolyn from Carol and I Aubrey

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<< I agree with everything GB said. It’s one corner of this country. You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

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Is it worth the trip? Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country. Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave. Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years. Canoli

Thanks a bunch, Canoli…and everyone else who responded. That should keep us busy and expose us to just the _right_ amount of trouble. <g Lon

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8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly. Don’t miss sundown on the pier! Peter & Anne-Marie Arnold Windsor, CT ‘95 F250 W/PSD {156 Kmi} 31 Ft Prowler Fifth Wheel NCT # 13390, The Masonic Campers

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone. Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

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Is it worth the trip? Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country. Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave. Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years.

What did you find to do for a living down there? John

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Hello, http://www.kwcamp.com/ (Key West) http://www.aokl.com/ (Key Largo) Great 2 campgrounds, we prefer Key Largo with private beach, great sunsets, Ardyno

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

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Yeah, you might as well go Miami and take in the sights in Liberty City. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the

keys? It is 128 miles from Homestead to Key West 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

It will depend on how many morons like you, decide to kill themselves on the highway on that particular day. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays,

etc.? Every other block, there is a red light 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

Depends on how many speeding tickets you feel comfortable with. 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

The Mamma Jamma Inn on MLK Blvd in Liesure City. Don’t waste your time going if you want to drive to Key West and back in a day. Disney world sounds like it would be more your speed. If you do decide to go, the troopers always have their eyes open for out of state speeders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

Hi Lon, We did that Key West thing about two years ago. We parked at a Casino near Homestead and spent a night parked there and asked them the next morning if we could leave the RV parked with them. They didnt mind so we motored down by car. It was a long drive but worth it. There are touristy things to see along the way and the part I found interesting was looking out to sea, in a S.E direction to Cuba ,apparently 90 mi away. (According to the sign they have put up) We also stayed at a state campground and went out to sea in a glass bottom boat. That was "cool" Do the trip, you will enjoy it. Regards PS we have made the grade!!! Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

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Fly Fishing Combo advice needed

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To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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I will second ezflyfish.com I brought my wife the 5 wt. trout combo last week. It is a solid buy for the money and ezflyfish/Wilson Creek Outfitters are a class outfit to do business with. Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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Thaks for the tip. Mike

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Drag Free Drift

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BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies? I read somewhere that they emit a mild toxin into the water which repels the fish. They hang out in groups because then there is a higher concentration of the toxin, providing a higher level of safety.

Oh, she’s talking about water striders! I thought she was talking about midges. Kevin’s right. Water striders are toxic. I remember last year at the San Juan Clave there were lots of midges in the eddies and other slackwater, but the fish were ignoring them. I wondered why, and still do. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Thank you. That sounds right. I know they’re not fast, as I’ve always been easily able to hand catch one. — rbc: vixen Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies?

I understood that these were just not a favorite food of trout…being that they’re as hard as peanuts. In NJ, those and skating spiders are not eaten by trout in any waters that I know of.

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable?

I’m loving trying to do it for drys or surface lures, but I can’t bring myself to feel that anything but a really dead bug will drift fairly freely, and even that bug will bounce into and off of things, including the bottom if using an under surface fly / lure. BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies? I don’t see them much in water where other varieties of decent sized game fish are around or else they stay so shallow that nothing big can get them. Is it the Monarch butterfly sort of thing in the water? — rbc: vixen Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable? I’m loving trying to do it for drys or surface lures, but I can’t bring myself to feel that anything but a really dead bug will drift fairly freely, and even that bug will bounce into and off of things, including the bottom if using an under surface fly / lure.

I kind of hate to post this, because I’m such a "fucking putz" at presenting nymphs compared to people like Willi and Bruce, but here’s my understanding of the theory. There’s something called the "turnover point." When you cast your nymph out, in the normal scheme of things, you should try to get your indicator upstream of the nymph. The current on the surface carries the indicator downstream faster than the deep-drifting nymph. Upstream mends can help, but you risk pulling the fly right out of the trouts’ mouths. There is a point — the "turnover" point — when the nymph is just below the indicator. This is when it’s doing its best rendition of a "dead drift." If you know where the fish are, try to make that the turnover point. BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies? I don’t see them much in water where other varieties of decent sized game fish are around or else they stay so shallow that nothing big can get them. Is it the Monarch butterfly sort of thing in the water?

Good question. I think it’s because trout are wary. They don’t want to expose themselves to predators in shallow water when there’s plenty of stuff to eat in safer places. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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There is a point — the "turnover" point — when the nymph is just below the indicator. This is when it’s doing its best rendition of a "dead drift." If you know where the fish are, try to make that the turnover

point. According to Borger, the indicator is more of a drift indicator than strike indicator. He says if your indicator is drifting as fast as the surface current and your nymph is near the bottom, your nymph is probably dragging. A split shot will help slow it down. I suppose this would be past the "turnover point" you describe.

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According to Borger, the indicator is more of a drift indicator than strike indicator. He says if your indicator is drifting as fast as the surface current and your nymph is near the bottom, your nymph is probably dragging. A split shot will help slow it down. I suppose this would be past the "turnover point" you describe.

Even using the most thought out or "best" combination of weight, leader length etc. there will usually only be a small portion of your drift where the fly is truly approaching a dragfree drift. Like Steve said, you want to try and have this "good" part of the drift in the area that you think holds fish. The deeper the water, overall, the more pronounced this is. You can get more instances of a dragfree drift through mending, but because of the varied currents, it impossible to get a dragfree drift throughout the drift. It’s often difficult to get a dragfree drift with a dry fly. With a dry you can see what’s going on and with a dry, you’re essentially only dealing with a flat plane or two dimensions. With a sunken nymph, in most situations, you have to make inferences about what’s going on with your fly and you’re dealing with three dimensions. MUCH more difficult but fortunately for us, I think the fish are more tolerant of drag with a nymph. Willi

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BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies?

Probably because they are too difficult for the trout to catch. They would experience a net loss in calories because of the energy expended in trying to catch them. Game fish are instinctively aware of the energy/food value relationship, and tend to feed accordingly. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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With a sunken nymph, in most situations, you have to make inferences about what’s going on with your fly and you’re dealing with three dimensions. MUCH more difficult but fortunately for us, I think the fish are more tolerant of drag with a nymph.

and i suspect that this is because many of the insects we are attempting to imitate with nymphs are alive, and move upwards and from side to side as they attempt to reach the surface, as opposed to the nearly motionless float of duns and spinners. wayno (lifelong reader of field&stream)

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BTW: why don’t trout eat those skittery little black bugs that hang out near shore and in eddies?

I read somewhere that they emit a mild toxin into the water which repels the fish. They hang out in groups because then there is a higher concentration of the toxin, providing a higher level of safety. Kevin — Check out the Pike Clave Website: <http://www.misu.nodak.edu/~vang/PikeClave/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: Dries 95% Nymphs 95% Wets 40% Streamers 10% Your percentage for nymphs is surprising to me. Do you usually let them swing across at the end of the dragfree part of the drift? I take many fish on nymphs, especially BH PTs, on the rising part of the swing–almost as many as when I fish traditional wets (soft hackles, etc.) this way.

What I really meant to say was, 95% of the time I nymph I *really* try for a dead drift. The other 5% of the time is when I’m moving (stumbling) upstream, dragging the thing behind me, and some inconsiderate trout bites it.

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Willi asks: What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for:

Dries (over 90) Nymphs ( not sure, probably most; 75?) Wets (less than 10) Streamers (less than 5) — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: Dries Nymphs Wets Streamers My estimates: Dries: 90 Nymphs: 80 Wets: 50 Streamers: 20

Dries: definitely in the 90+% range during most mayfly hatches. During stonefly hatches, however, or even when I fish a hopper during terrestrial season, I twitch my fly when it’s drifting. Granted, I attempt for it to be subtle, and only a movement every couple of feet or so, but a lot of the hits come right at the twitch. Nymphs: I’d like to think that ALL my fish hit during drag free drift but I think that’s impossible to do all the time. I’d rank it there around 75%. Wets: When I fish them, which isn’t that often, they are moving for sure. 25%. Streamers: Practically all my fish come during the strip or the swing. I do pick up fish occasionally during a drag-free drift but I don’t fish a streamer that often that way. 10% — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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I concur with this. Another "action" technique I especially like is skittering a caddis imitation through shallow, pocket water. Not sure if it is more effective than just a drag free drift but it sure produces some exciting takes. Streamers: Practically all my fish come during the strip or the swing. I do pick up fish occasionally during a drag-free drift but I don’t fish a streamer that often that way. 10%

I’m not a very able streamer fisherman but I frequently cast up and across with a streamer and let it drift down pretty much drag free to allow it to sink. I have taken some fish during this "drag free" part of the drift. Peter? Willi

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A very fun hatch on the Clark Fork is a #14 olive caddis, a ‘green rock worm’, IIRC. A free-living caddis. Use a LaFontaine-style (God rest his soul) emerging caddis fished just under the surface film down and across or just straight down. If the fly is making a ‘V’ they don’t seem to want it. But if you get it to still be twitching & dragging, literally just under the surface, they wack it pretty hard. There is a particular hole on the CF that really can only best be fished with an almost straight down approach with this method, but right at dusk on a mid-July evening… oh boy! Streamers: Practically all my fish come during the strip or the swing. I do pick up fish occasionally during a drag-free drift but I don’t fish a streamer that often that way. 10% I’m not a very able streamer fisherman but I frequently cast up and across with a streamer and let it drift down pretty much drag free to allow it to sink. I have taken some fish during this "drag free" part of the drift. Peter?

I must amend to my streamer statement above that most of my streamer fishing is done from a boat. With a good oarsman at the helm, you can get some amazingly good presentations that can cover a lot of good water. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dries: definitely in the 90+% range during most mayfly hatches. During stonefly hatches, however, or even when I fish a hopper during terrestrial season, I twitch my fly when it’s drifting. Granted, I attempt for it to be subtle, and only a movement every couple of feet or so, but a lot of the hits come right at the twitch. I concur with this. Another "action" technique I especially like is skittering a caddis imitation through shallow, pocket water. Not sure if it is more effective than just a drag free drift but it sure produces some exciting takes. Streamers: Practically all my fish come during the strip or the swing. I do pick up fish occasionally during a drag-free drift but I don’t fish a streamer that often that way. 10% I’m not a very able streamer fisherman but I frequently cast up and across with a streamer and let it drift down pretty much drag free to allow it to sink. I have taken some fish during this "drag free" part of the drift. Peter? Willi

I rarely fish streamers on the dead drift though it can be a useful imitation of a dead or dying minnow with the right pattern. I tried one day for steelhead using a small, weighted streamer on the dead drift and ended up with a bunch of bugle trout. They obviously feed on the dead. I’ve also had carp and smallies suck in streamers when I’ve been counting the fly down on the sink, while fishing in still water. I know that you know this Willi, but as a general comment . . . About drag for dries, nymphs, and wets – I try to get the situation right for the insect that’s active. One example – on Whiteman’s Creek, it was Hendrickson time but there was nothing in the air. I was dead drifting a H. nymph by a log jam in fairly deep water and was batting a fat zero. Then I remembered that Hendrickson nymphs migrate to shallow, slow water to hatch. I was standing on the inside of a bend in shallow, slow water so I slowly retrieved my H. nymph along the bottom toward me and picked up a 12" rainbow on the first try. A few more casts picked up some more fish. Some mayfly nymphs and caddis pupae are very active swimmers and some mayfly emergers change into adult form a foot or so below the surface before swimming up with their wings (e.g. Dark Hendricksons.) Many caddis do the same and with some species, the gas they generate causes them to rocket up. As caddis have micro hairs on their wings they can fly off immediately on emergence whereas mayflies usually need to dry their wings first resulting in lots of fluttering. Some caddis skitter across the surface before flying off and a few stillwater caddis will skate on the surface all the way to the shore. When egg laying, some caddis and mayflies dap their eggs on the surface while other caddis and mayflies dive, penetrating the meniscus and laying their eggs on the bottom before swimming back up and flying off (or dying in the mayfly case.) Small trout will often leap out of the water after dapping egg layers while others actively chase the divers. None of this behaviour can be imitated by a dead drift. Moral: Know the behaviour of the bug. Drag is not always your enemy – especially when it’s deliberate. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable? What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: Dries Nymphs Wets Streamers My estimates: Dries: 90 Nymphs: 80 Wets: 50 Streamers: 20 Willi

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When people talk about "educated" fish, I think recognizing a dragfree drift is the piscine equivalent of the PhD. I also think it’s highly dependent on the particular watershed. Some places, relatively sterile mountain streams for instance, you can catch a fish with just about any sort of drift at all. On a heavily fished spring creek I’d say that the percentage of fish I take with a dragfree drift is for all intents and purposes 100%. — Ken Fortenberry

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable?

Well, IMO, the term "drag free" drift is the wrong term to use for _teaching_ beginners, although _presenting_ in such fashion, is, to me, different than _fishing_ a fly, even if the take occurs within a second or two of presentation. What is important as to _fishing_ is to not appear so unnatural as to either confuse, and therefore, "spook," a fish or simply telegraph that an offering isn’t food. Granted, this often means no unnatural drag, which is often "drag free" and likely, most experienced fishers know this and use the term "drag free" as a catch-all term. But I think it does beginners a disservice to teach absolutes (take "the wrist must always be locked or you are casting improperly" training many get, for example) as being an absolute success/failure type of situation. What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: My estimates: Dries: 90 Nymphs: 80 Wets: 50 Streamers: 20

Hmm…I thought a little about it, and I can’t come up with any numbers beyond mere WAGs. Maybe to my detriment, I don’t seem to take note of this type of data in such a way to be able to quantify it. I’m not suggesting that doing so is improper, just that I don’t. Or maybe I do take subconscious note, but it has become one of those "I don’t know why I do it that way, I just do" things. But if forced to make a WAG, I’d say dries, about like your number, wets, about 80-90, and streamers, upwards of 0, but less than 10 <G (simply due to the way I <mostly fish streamers, they wouldn’t be doing much "drifting," drag-free or otherwise, as I take your meaning of "drifting.") TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi

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have to say 99% Worked dries are a minor tactic for me. Nymphs

couldn’t possibly tell with the deep nymphs, but certainly to shallow sighted fish 100% Wets

70% Streamers

10% Steve

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What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: Dries 95% Nymphs 95% Wets 40% Streamers

10%

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What percentage of fish do you take during a "dragfree" drift for: Dries 95% Nymphs 95% Wets 40% Streamers 10%

Your percentage for nymphs is surprising to me. Do you usually let them swing across at the end of the dragfree part of the drift? I take many fish on nymphs, especially BH PTs, on the rising part of the swing–almost as many as when I fish traditional wets (soft hackles, etc.) this way. JR

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable? My estimates: Nymphs: 80

The more I think about nymphing, the harder it is to believe that a drag free drift happens very often. Think how difficult it can be with dry flies – in 2 dimensions. Nymphing is in 3 dimensions, so the problems you have with a dry fly drift are magnified. Finally, add in the fact that the water slows near the bottom of the river where we often fish nymphs, and it’s a wonder we ever catch a fish. I conclude 2 things: – we are not always getting a drag free drift, but many nymphs do move around under water under their own power. Sometimes drag simulates this. – there are so many swirling currents in "mixed water" (near bottom rocks and obstructions), that even the trout can’t always detect drag underwater. Even natural nymphs move in randomly changing ways in some of the "micro currents". There must be places where the flow is constant and trout can detect drag, but there must be places where it’s not, too. You can probably convince yourself of this by tossing little things into turbulent water several times and watching how they drift differently each time.

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One of the first hurdles a beginer needs to clear is to learn how to present a fly on a dead drift. It’s a very important skill but how often is it necessary or even desirable?

An interesting question, and one I have no idea of the answer. One thing RDean said tweaked my though process however, and I began thinking not in terms of drag, but time as measurement. I’m actually amazed at how many of the fish I catch hit the fly within a couple seconds of it hitting the water. That probably means I suck at drag free drift. I’m also amazed at how fast the fish can get there. Unless I’m dropping it right on his nose, those guys really cover some ground, so to speak. On occasions where flows are simple enough, I do catch some farther down the drift, but generally if I don’t have a take in the first 5 sec., I’m not going to get one. Joe F.

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Saltwater Fly in Florida

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Also try http://www.floridaflyfishing.com Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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This is a good start. I’ve fished with this guide several times on West Coast of Florida. He knows his stuff. rgill http://www.gianttarpon.com/fishingguide.htm Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

– How very simple life would be if only there were two of me A restless me to drift and roam a quiet me to stay at home. from "The Double Life" by Don Blanding

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I am not a fly-fisherman, but I do have a site that includes a list of over 100 South Florida guides on the internet, including many who specialize in flyfishing trips. The guides list is at http://inshore.com/f-guides.html. On a more personal note; I have fished with Capt. Chris Asaro several times and while he allows me to use spinning tackle, he really does prefer fly. He has his own site at http://www.sightfish.net/ . Jim Sawyer www.inshore.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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Fishing fanatic chef wanted

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids… …showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

Actually, I think I followed that thread just fine, thank you. But as long as your digging for worms: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired: – Jim claimed he caught and released around 30 lakers and walleye. – TBone claimed "With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom." (fwiw, clearly TBone’s unsubstantiable claim pertains to Walleye – not lakers, but I’ll let your error slide). – You chimed in with: " Well, Tim, if one uses the [blah blah blah], we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30" If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits. Respectfully, /daytripper

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Nit2: I have caught many large pike and in my experience they are among the most fragile fish I have ever caught. They have absolutely no stamina, and once beaten, readily go belly up. It takes great effort to revive them, and I have found that they need the most careful handling of any species I have wanted to release.

Exactly my experience. The toothy things have one and only one good run in them and then display all the fighting power and fishing fun of a water soaked log. I caught a 52" pike on a 5wt while fishing for smallmouth bass from a canoe. Damn thing took me into the backing but by the time I hauled his carcass up to the boat he was 99% dead. — Ken Fortenberry

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Jim writes:Lake trout (Salvelinus namaycush) are members of the Char family.

…yes, and as such, like brook trout, are considered salmonids. However, my basic point is not semantics. I wanted to actually point out a study of effects upon released fish. The study dealt with salmonids, but I have a feeling that the hypoxia effects of removing a fish from water for even minute amounts of time is pretty consistent for most fishes. FWIW, if you use a technique whereby the fish is released without lifting from the water, your survival rate should have been much higher. My position on C&R has always been responsible practice,combining good release technique and restraint from overfishing. Tom Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Daytripper feels obliged to add: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired:

let’s see now…Tim commented re:walleye, wondered about Macks(i.e. Lakers to the western types). Then, I responded about salmonid data(i.e Lakers). Where am I reading impaired? It seems some of you folks need to sling mud just to free your heads from your derrieres….. to wit: If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits.

Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear. finally: Respectfully,

sure, Daytripper, respectfully, my ass! T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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J Powlesland replies: Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Everytime he is asked to prove the claim, he quietly disappears from the thread.

Yes, and your point is? T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Jon Cook writes: Nit1: Char are in the salmonid family. Lake trout are salmonids.

Thanks, Jon, I was starting to think they had changed things since I got out of grad school, listening to these other folks jumping on me…… T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear.

No, you clearly did not. But I see you tread water with the best of them ;^) Still respectfully (and I know nothing about your ass) /daytripper

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

…showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts.

correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said". BTW, I have had more than one difference of opinion with Tim, yet have generally learned something from most debates with him. That is because he tends to cite factual data, which while open to interpretations different from his, offer a jumping-off point for intelligent discourse. The alternative, of course, is to limit the discussion to the kind of personal assault crap into which you, Jim, have jumped with both feet. Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Geez! Tom Littleton

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts. correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said".

I promised myself that I’d stay out of this but just can’t quite restrain myself. As much as I tried to fool myself into believing that Tim didn’t actually mean exactly what he wrote, he’s made his position clear many times since then. He believes that fish have rights and has stated that he would vote for legislative ballots that would establish those rights. Given the situation with AR-loons and fishermen in Germany it should be blatantly obvious the foolishness that results. Whether or not Tim fishes or how he justifies the morality/immorality of the act of fishing matters not to me. Any purported fisherman who would support AR activists in their campaign to grant fish rights is quite frankly a danger to the future of fishing and I have to question their motives. You’ve got my $0.02 and now I’m outta here, - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season. Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland Tel: 058 60235 Fax: 058 60162 Website: http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing?

[snip] But of course… Menu Du Peche Breakfast 7:30 in the rod room Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Lunch 12:00 Streamside Bier Dinner 30 minutes after blackness du noir Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Pattie Du Weinees (or #11 Hamburger with two franks on top) Chips la Bag Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? [snip] But of course…

What is really needed here is someone with an appreciation of fine food, guest care, and staff management. I could possibly be persuaded to take over the kitchen with the right inducement. First, a trial. Two weeks at your lodge, you pay airfare from Washington D.C. You provide the fly rods and flys for off hours entertainment. I get to hire the Sous Chef from Sweden. I just must have a tall blond Scandinavian woman under me. What do the upstairs maids look like? Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I love salmon fishing and I can cook fishing fanatics anyway you want! "Mr" DB Jones ‘Is a fate worse than death better than dying?’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season. Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland Tel: 058 60235 Fax: 058 60162 Website: http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Speaking of dinner, last night was trout burritos, thanks to Jon Ernst for the idea.

This sounded so good, I looked it up w/ Deja News to get the recipe. It was originally posted before I began reading ROFF, so I’m glad you mentioned it again. Thanks Jon & Jon! Joe F. (There’s no such thing as too much garlic.)

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[deleted] Caught around 30 a day. Released the vast majority. Brought back 3 lakers and 3 walleye though. All about 24 inches in length.

With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom. What depth were you trolling ? How about with the Macks ? Wake up, idiot. Timbo doesn’t catch fish, let alone eat them. He is an AR-loon with an anti-fishing agenda

I just love it when you get all pouty ! Are you wearing that Teddy I sent you ? XXXOOO’s — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Tim W writes( in response to Jim Powlesland’s claim of 30 lakers and walleyes a day released): With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom. What depth were you trolling ? How about with the Macks ?

Well, Tim, if one uses the anoxia studies of Drs. Tufts and Ferguson, published in 1995 in the Nova Scotia Salmon Assn newsletter, as well as a couple of professional Biology Journals, we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30, unless ‘ol Jim managed to get them out of the boat and back to the water in under 30 seconds, which they cite as the onset point of severe hypoxia in larger salmonids. A letter citing this study appeared in this months Flyfishing Guide(for you Easterners). The letter was a call to enlightened fishing by Andrew Gennaro, a veteran and well-regarded New Jersey angler. The letter in its entirety would be well worth many of the more ardent C&R advocate’s reading. Tom Littleton

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[snip] That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30

Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

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Well part of his deluded online support group anyway.<

Hmmm. Back yard dogs, maybe? As oppossed to junk yard dogs, that is. <g

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How about with the Macks ? What the heck are "Macks"?

It appears that Americans west of the Mississipi refer to lake trout as mackinaws. Tim’s upset cuz he’s the Mack Daddy. Mu

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » How to See Fish?

How to See Fish?

Question:

The thread on polarized sun glasses made me think of a more basic question: Why are some people so much better than me at spotting fish? With my glasses on, my vision is measurably as good as anyone’s. And the situation I describe below even applies to my youth when my vision was, by all tests, perfect. Still, I’ve been on the stream and had certain keen eyed fishing partners point out fish I did not detect. Sometimes I cannot see them even after they are pointed out, but without fail, an experiment to disturb the fish always results in seeing it dart away. Or, to more succinctly prove the point, caught! Very frustrating. Are the eyes of my friends especially keen or are there techniques for seeing fish I just haven’t picked up. Anybody out there got pointers for spotting fish, assuming one already knows where to look, is using polarized glasses and has 20/20 vision. — -dnc-

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Why are some people so much better than me at spotting fish?

The only way I know of to improve your spotting is simply to spend as much time as possible on a stream, spotting fish. It is a very subtle art, much like nymph fishing, and your score will improve with practice and experience. One tip, rather than look for a whole fish, look for parts, (i.e. a white edged fin, etc.) or movement. It is very similar in that respect to spotting deer in the woods. Tight lines!! George

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The thread on polarized sun glasses made me think of a more basic question: Why are some people so much better than me at spotting fish?

There is no doubt in my mind that various brains process signal in various ways. That is why some people made better radar or sonar operators than others. Someone once used my ham station. While listening to noise on the speaker he mentioned that he heard someone (code transmission) coming in loud and clear. I heard only noise. With careful listening, I was able to tell that there were some slight changes to the character of the noise. It was not enough to be of help to me. I have no idea how much improvement can be obtained from training. The differences may well be innate. By the way, the US Navy will no longer require radio operaters to be proficient at Morse code. Bill Buchman

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Why are some people so much better than me at spotting fish? The only way I know of to improve your spotting is simply to spend as much time as possible on a stream, spotting fish. It is a very subtle art, much like nymph fishing, and your score will improve with practice and experience. One tip, rather than look for a whole fish, look for parts, (i.e. a white edged fin, etc.) or movement. It is very similar in that respect to spotting deer in the woods.

I agree with George that sitting and watching is the technique. It is the best fishing strategy anyway to sit and observe a pool or riffle for five or ten minutes before you approach or wade. Over a short period of time you can eventually see fish that you won’t see on first glance. Time lets you put together a few signals that individually are barely noticeable but can add up to a clear location of a feeding fish. Look in places where trout will be – places of slower flow where they relax but where they can see faster flow. Look for shadows that shift slightly across the stream. Normal shadows from current on the surface will only move straight downstream. It is a matter of observing not the details you are seeing but the repeating patterns of movement, then when some shadow or flash occurs that is not part of the repeating pattern, there is your fish. A tail or fin of a holding fish can sometimes be picked out among rocks or under logs but it is much easier to see a shadow shift slightly then back as a fish takes a nymph. In riffles and eddies, sit a bit and you’ll notice that small flat glassy sections of surface will be mixed with the rippled surface. These are like moving portholes into the depths, and if you watch them move downstream you can see the bottom clearly if just for a second. And if you’re steelhead fishing, look for blue logs. Mark Vinsel www.vinsel.com

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I could not say it any better than Mark has just mentioned. Steamside experience is the only way to succeed- look for the flashes or movement. Sage

here’s an exception-that-proves-the-rule story: couple years ago, my wife and i took a trip to bonaire (aruba, bonaire, curacao), and i was able to find a bonefish guide, who took us to vast white bottomed salt flats that were thick with small, schooling bones. invariably, my wife would see fish before i could; on a couple of occasions, she called em out before the guide. he was amazed, as i was. she had never been bonefishing before. her eye just clicked with the image, i guess. I think that you just pointed out the rule whereas Mar pointed out the exception. There a limit to just how much improvement you can get by practice. There are many basketball players who are willing to work harder than Michael Jordan or violinist who will work harder than Itzhak Perleman (spelling?). (This is not to say that the do not work hard at their craft.) Nevertheless, in spite of this effort, these people will just not ever be even close in performance. The navy investigated this in the search for good sonar operators. Wayne’s wife just happens to be talented at seeing bonefish. With practice, she may become much better. You have to start with the talent. Bill Buchman

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….Thirdly, I think some people are out more and know where they should be

looking. Good Polarized glasses will help….Bill Kiene< Bill’s right, I think. Spotting fish is an acquired art (skill) that comes with time on the water, and distinct, concentrated effort. Dennis Smith Loveland, CO

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I could not say it any better than Mark has just mentioned. Steamside experience is the only way to succeed- look for the flashes or movement. Sage

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I could not say it any better than Mark has just mentioned. Steamside experience is the only way to succeed- look for the flashes or movement. Sage

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The thread on polarized sun glasses made me think of a more basic question: Why are some people so much better than me at spotting fish? With my glasses on, my vision is measurably as good as anyone’s. And the situation I describe below even applies to my youth when my vision was, by all tests, perfect. Still, I’ve been on the stream and had certain keen eyed fishing partners point out fish I did not detect. Sometimes I cannot see them even after they are pointed out, but without fail, an experiment to disturb the fish always results in seeing it dart away. Or, to more succinctly prove the point, caught! Very frustrating. Are the eyes of my friends especially keen or are there techniques for seeing fish I just haven’t picked up. Anybody out there got pointers for spotting fish, assuming one already knows where to look, is using polarized glasses and has 20/20 vision. — -dnc-

Hi DN, Many of us guys are color blind to some degree. This makes it harder to spot fish. Secondly, some people are outside and are use to focusing at longer distances. Thirdly, I think some people are out more and know where they should be looking. Good Polarized glasses will help. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » Vermont

Vermont

Question:

We are headed off to Vermont in a few days to check out the flyfishing scene up there. We’ll be camping in the Rutland area and hitting all the streams around that area. Of course, we’ll also make at least one stop Orvis while we are there. Anybody have anything to share about what streams are good right now? This is going to be my first time ever in the New England area, so it’s all new to me. — Jon Porter http://www.Netwalk.com/~jporter/Backpage.htm

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Jon, You might try the New Haven and Middlebury Rivers in Bristol and Middlebury. I haven’t been there this year yet, but I understand they are fishing well. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I was on the Battenkill at the weekend. Water temp was 58-60. Sporadic Hendriksons, no risers though. Might be a bit early yet, but I was talking to the F&W guy and he said there had been feeding fish over the past few days. I think it is worth a shot this weekend. You have to see that hatch in action as those big fly lie thick on the surface of backwaters. Another river worth trying is the Mettawee, about 5 miles west of Manchester. There are public access spots off the highway. This has a nice head of browns, brookies and rainbows. Finally as you head north on route 7, there is Otter Creek paralleling the road most of the way. Again some public access spots, but as this river is heavily stocked expect these points to be busy. Hike up or downstream. Otter Creek has good hatches and holds some beauties (my best is 16" brookie). Sorry I have no up to date stream reports, but I am confident you’ll catch fish assuming the rivers are in good condition. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are headed off to Vermont in a few days to check out the flyfishing scene up there. We’ll be camping in the Rutland area and hitting all the streams around that area. Of course, we’ll also make at least one stop Orvis while we are there. Anybody have anything to share about what streams are good right now? This is going to be my first time ever in the New England area, so it’s all new to me. — Jon Porter http://www.Netwalk.com/~jporter/Backpage.htm

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yesterday, I said:

in general all the streams are down to fishable levels. I should know better than to spout stuff like that. No sooner had I finished saying this than the skies opened up, the mighty deluge began, and the NWS started issuing flash flood warnings all over the place. In 12 hours the New Haven River (my home stream) went from its normal 400 cfs to 5500 cfs. :-( Now it’s back down to about 1400 cfs, but it still looks like chocolate milk. Should be back to normal in a couple days, though. Cheers, — Dave "the jinx" Guertin http://caddis.middlebury.edu/trout/

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Jon We are headed off to Vermont in a few days to check out the Jon flyfishing scene up there. We’ll be camping in the Rutland Jon area and hitting all the streams around that area. Jon, There are a number of streams in the Rutland area worth checking out. I can’t comment on how they’re fishing right now, but in general all the streams are down to fishable levels. A couple weeks ago when I was last out, the water was clear but still extremely cold and fishing was slow. By now things should be picking up considerably. The Mettawee is not too far from Rutland, and is usually excellent. Upper Otter Creek is probably worth checking out, too. Across the mountains, the White and Black Rivers are also close and very good. Check out my Trout Streams of Vermont page (http://caddis.middlebury.edu/trout/) for a guide to all the streams in the area. Not much in the way of descriptions yet, but there are maps, and it’s nice to see what rivers are where. Cheers, — Dave Guertin http://caddis.middlebury.edu/trout/

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Jon, I have read the other posts folks have put up to help you, but I really would suggest streams less well-known. Two of these are the Furnace Brook and Castleton River. Both of these smaller streams will most certainly be running clear and fishable. For the most part, the other streams suggested are running very high and are muddy at best. There was flooding in both the CT River Valley and Otter Valley last night. If you have any specific questions, I would be happy to help. James Ehlers, Editor Vermont Outdoors Magazine 2 Church Street Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 860-0003 Fax: (802) 860-0005 http://www.vermontoutdoors.com

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The ‘Kill was 58-60 this early??? Am I missing something, or is this a little warm for this time of the year? Hopefully we’re not looking at temps like last summer again!!! Alex – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on the Battenkill at the weekend. Water temp was 58-60. Sporadic Hendriksons, no risers though. Might be a bit early yet, but I was talking to the F&W guy and he said there had been feeding fish over the past few days. I think it is worth a shot this weekend. You have to see that hatch in action as those big fly lie thick on the surface of backwaters. Another river worth trying is the Mettawee, about 5 miles west of Manchester. There are public access spots off the highway. This has a nice head of browns, brookies and rainbows. Finally as you head north on route 7, there is Otter Creek paralleling the road most of the way. Again some public access spots, but as this river is heavily stocked expect these points to be busy. Hike up or downstream. Otter Creek has good hatches and holds some beauties (my best is 16" brookie). Sorry I have no up to date stream reports, but I am confident you’ll catch fish assuming the rivers are in good condition. Gary We are headed off to Vermont in a few days to check out the flyfishing scene up there. We’ll be camping in the Rutland area and hitting all the streams around that area. Of course, we’ll also make at least one stop Orvis while we are there. Anybody have anything to share about what streams are good right now? This is going to be my first time ever in the New England area, so it’s all new to me. — Jon Porter http://www.Netwalk.com/~jporter/Backpage.htm

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Joe, Trout season ends Oct 27. Caddis pupa and larva are always good choices on VT streams. It is tough to say what exactly will be coming off that far in advance, especially this year with our water levels very high and temps cool. Typically, tricos, isonychias and pseudocloeon are hatching during that window. E -mail closer to your trip for more specific conditions. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service (#2298) If you would like more info on my service including western style fly fishing drift boat trips, send me your postal address and I’ll send you my brochure. Cheers, James

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I am planning one or two trips to Vermont this fall. I will stay at Sugarbush. My ???? are ….#1 When does the season end? Can I plan a Columbus Day trip. Also,(#2) Has the fall fishing got going by Sept 20- would a late Sept. trip be worth while? #3 Can anybody suggest what flies to use? I am planning to try caddis flies and a variety of terrestials. joe hardman TIA

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Hobie Float Cat??

Hobie Float Cat??

Question:

These are great…very innovative, easy to use, and much safer than the conventional float tubes. I’m not saying the conventionals are unsafe, but the Hobie is made of hard plastic pontoons that won’t puncture. They are also very comfortable and keep more of you out of the water. Better back support than the conventional tubes, too. The seat is sturdy and comfortable. They look great, too! Let me know if you have more questions.

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I haven’t had any personal experience with the Hobie, but it raises the question: why bother with rigid poly pontoons when you can have inflatable. I recently purchased an 8′ kickboat made by Outcast and am extremely pleased with it. It has PVC/polyester fabric tubes (25 oz bottoms/18 oz tops) with a clever 3 piece alumimum frame. Whole thing breaks down to a *very* compact package and assembles in a couple of minutes (maybe 5 minutes w/ inflation). Furthermore, fully assembled, it’s still light enough to easily transport and carry (probably 50#, with gear). Rows beautifully – extremely fast and requires very little effort. The main thing however is the hulls: the PVC fabric, while rigid enough to support the frame, is also resilient enough to bounce off rocks, trees, etc. And even if the outer hull material punctures, the air remains confined by the inner urethane bladder. Rigid PVC is not very flexible. I’m afraid that slamming a rock, particularly broadside could crack or hole a rigid hull (happens all the time with fiberglass drift boats). There’s a reason inflatables dominate the river-running scene and it isn’t cost (a fully equipped 12′ raft runs about $4,000 these days): fact is their light weight and durability are nearly ideal for moving water. -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA

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Has anyone had any experience with Hobie Float Cat kick boats? I am thinking of buying one and would appreciate comments. For those that don’t know… The Float Cat is a kick boat with rigid poly pontoons and aluminum frame. Thanks in advance. — /// John Kleist, Colorado Climate Center, CSU, Fort Collins CO 80523 \ \ URL:http://ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu/~johnk/ ///

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Can I add to John Kliest’s request for information? If anyone has experience using these pontoon boats on rivers, I would be interested in observations and comments. My objective would be to use it in Montana on certain – emphasize certain – rivers to do my own floats. On the other hand, I would prefer to live a bit longer than my current age, if only to fish, and thus am not inclined to take unecessary risks. Thanks. Mark Faulkner

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Hi Mark, My wife and I have been using pontoon boats in Montana for the past five years. Water Otter with a rowing systme is what we currently own however there are several very good pontoon crafts on the market. We use them on the Madison, Missouri, Big Horn, Yellowstone, Big Hole, Gallatin, etc. and love them. As in any craft on the water you need to be aware of your surroundings. Under water trees, rocks, etc. can be dangerous in any kind of a boat including the pontoon boat. I’ve only had one close call in the five years and it was my fault. I had driven all night to get to the Big Horn River and decided to fish anyway. You know how it is, escaping from corporate America for a few days. I fell a sleep while floating the river and run one the pontoons up on a partly submerged rock. The rock just about turned over the boat but fortunately did not. I certainly woke up. That was a close enough call. I banked the boat and slept for a couple of hours before continuing the float. Now that I’ve been downsized out of corporate America I live in Bozeman, Montana where I work as a guide. Usually I guide customers in my drift boat but do have several client who like fishing out of the pontoon craft. The craft is also great when guiding float tubing clients because I can navigate rapidly (and with little effort) between customers to assist/instruct, etc., even if the wind is blowing. And the wind blows often in Montana. I think you will enjoy a pontoon boat. I do not own a Buck Bag pontoon boat but have operated a friend’s boat and like it a lot. I understand from Dave Corcoran at the River’s Edge here in Bozeman that the Buck’s is the best buy for the money in his opinion. If you are interested I saw they had one of the new models in stock when I stopped by yesterday. For more information you can call them at 406-586-5373. Good luck and let me know how things work out for you regarding these great boats. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Utah

Utah

Question:

bc, we have got to get out on the Provo some time so you can show me your waters. Just tell me when you are able to go and I’ll see what I can do. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped I love fishing Utah. However, don’t go fishing where the out of state fly-fishermen go. You need to ask some of the local fly-fishermen to tell you where to go. Vern, And there are some local people that don’t fly fish that will be more then happy to tell you where to go bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

Before you buy.

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I plan of fishing in Northern Utah this year. It’s just farther from me than Southern Utah. Therefore, I can get out to Southern Utah a lot more. Vern Actually, Northern Utah fishing is great, and there are a lot of places where you can get out without the crowds, and still enjoy a day out. You should give it a try some time. Also, check out http://www.fishwest.com/Utah. You can get a lot of info on northern UT fishing.

Before you buy.

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Keep your eyes open, though. My son came tearing back up the trail looking like he’d seen Satan himself. Satan living in Utah?? I don’t think so. Every conservative christian knows Satan lives in Oregon.

Visits here in WI pretty often though. Seems to like the weather, mosquitos, deer flies, horse flies, black flies, ticks, Miller beer, and those adorable foam rubber cheese hats! :)

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As long as the snake has not drawn its pistol you are relatively safe ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Steve Oregon churches send missionaries to heathen Washington state. We have the rep as the most "unchurched" state in the union. ET2 would feel right at home in this respect. I only know one person who is into their church. On the other hand, I know 3 mail order ministers, 2 witches, 2 shaman, and many just plain pagans, and Im no fringy. Winter solstice is a major event, and July 4th has many aspects of an emerging religious holiday. Mostly the local christians adapt and rarely push things. And they do make themselves useful for weddings and burials, although, in our circle I think the mail order ministers handle about 50% of the business. One of the best is a Jewish guy. Folks like the mix of Hebrew/Native American stuff. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep your eyes open, though. My son came tearing back up the trail looking like he’d seen Satan himself. Satan living in Utah?? I don’t think so. Every conservative christian knows Satan lives in Oregon. –Steve

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Mike Connor wrote As long as the snake has not drawn its pistol you are relatively safe !

Snakes that shoot? Well I suppose I could believe that. But snakes that draw?….Methinks you’ve been a bussin’ the famous stone, Michael me boyo. — -dnc-

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ET1 I can’t remember the last marriage that was held in a church. Opps take that back, about three years ago, mail order minister and a pickup with half a load of Alaska crab. Best one I saw recently was conducted by the Church of Elvis (HQ in Portland I believe) on the Winslow ferry. Oregon is wierd mix. I get a kick out of their public access cable. Do they still have that old guy doing the live sex shows from various blue venues? Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oregon has a very interesting mix of liberal and conservative folks. There are quite a few religious people, but any place where medicinal mariuana and euthanasia are legal has a good portion of liberals. On the side, when I got married last summer, I literally had to interview all the "nondenominational ministers" since there were so many. Got to hear all sorts of interesting stories, marriages in the nude, people consecrating their wedding immediately afterwards, etc. I suddenly felt quite…..normal. - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

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Utah, fishing, it sucks. Too many people on the water and just try and get a parking spot within a mile and a half of Little Hole. Better fishing and less people in Oregon. Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever fished in Utah? no What did you think? not much. waldo

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Utah, fishing, it sucks. Too many people on the water and just try and get a parking spot within a mile and a half of Little Hole. Better fishing and less people in Oregon.

No, no, no, don’t let them fool you. It rains constantly in Oregon, better fishing in Colorado. - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

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Have you ever fished in Utah? What did you think?

I love fishing Utah. However, don’t go fishing where the out of state fly-fishermen go. You need to ask some of the local fly-fishermen to tell you where to go. My favorite secret fishing spot is in Southern Utah. However, don’t ask me where it is. I won’t tell you. I’ve only seen one other fly- fisherman there. That’s the way I want to keep it. Most people want to go to Northern Utah. I don’t know much about that area. Here is a url with photos of my favorite spot in Utah. The waters are calm and clear with fish that are hard to catch. Though it says it was my last trip, it was not. I have not had a chance to update my web- site yet. Here’s the url: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/NEWS1.html — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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<snipped I love fishing Utah. However, don’t go fishing where the out of state fly-fishermen go. You need to ask some of the local fly-fishermen to tell you where to go.

Vern, And there are some local people that don’t fly fish that will be more then happy to tell you where to go bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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<snipped Ah come on Al – fly fishing is great at little hole. Last year, I think I made 4 trips up there and had no problem parking. How often did you fly fish it? bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Have you ever fished in Utah? What did you think?

I used to fish some little canyons around Dinosaur. Most places were pretty remote but were very enjoyable hikes and nice fishing. — Charlie…

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Actually, Northern Utah fishing is great, and there are a lot of places where you can get out without the crowds, and still enjoy a day out. You should give it a try some time. Also, check out http://www.fishwest.com/Utah. You can get a lot of info on northern UT fishing.

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Vern, That looks like the Southwest corner of Utah down by Four Corners, some beautiful country there. Ernie

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My favorite secret fishing spot is in Southern Utah. However, don’t ask me where it is. I won’t tell you. I’ve only seen one other fly- fisherman there. That’s the way I want to keep it. Most people want to go to Northern Utah. I don’t know much about that area. Vern

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Have you ever fished in Utah?

Only once, about 6 years ago. What did you think?

Loved it! Our destination was the Green River, below Flaming Gorge dam. We stayed in Vernal — one of those rare places where residents don’t bother to lock their doors. Rooms at the Best Western were $20! We stayed there for a week for what one night at the "fishin’ resort" would have cost. Fishing the Green was great, but we also explored and fished smaller, lesser known streams. One that was a lot of fun (don’t know its name) crosses the road from Vernal to Flaming Gorge — and is about 2/3 of the way to the dam. We followed it downstream from the road and, although a small stream, caught many fish in the 14 – 16 inch range. Keep your eyes open, though. My son came tearing back up the trail looking like he’d seen Satan himself. He’d almost stepped on a fat rattler. When it started buzzing right at his feet, he ’bout lost it. Unlike the Green (which is host to hordes of fiishers), nobody else was fishing the "little stuff." Been hoping to go back ever since, but have recently fallen in love with the Jackson Hole area and been spending my limited "out of state" time around there. Wes Peterson

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Keep your eyes open, though. My son came tearing back up the trail looking like he’d seen Satan himself.

Satan living in Utah?? I don’t think so. Every conservative christian knows Satan lives in Oregon. –Steve

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And they should run, flee, flee I tell you, all you conservative christians flee back to Utah….HA HA HA!!! - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

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Al Simpson wrote Utah, fishing, it sucks. Too many people on the water and just try and get a parking spot within a mile and a half of Little Hole.

I go to the Green every May. There’s always plenty of parking at Little Hole. However, most of the browns you catch in that section of the river do lack a certain amount of enthusiasm when hooked. — -dnc-

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Have you ever fished in Utah? What did you think?

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Have you ever fished in Utah? no What did you think? not much. waldo

Hey, pal, you got a problem with Utah? <g –Steve

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Have you ever fished in Utah? What did you think?

The state-run liquor stores closed way too early. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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Have you ever fished in Utah?

no What did you think?

not much. waldo

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From Rolly & Wells column in today’s Slat Lake Tribune: Kathy Lambert of Salt Lake County reports that an acquaintance visiting Utah recently was dining at Applebees in Salt Lake City and asked the waitress what kinds of merlot and chardonnay wines were available. The waitress gave the group a puzzled look, then said she would find out. A few minutes later she came back with a triumphant look on her face and proudly proclaimed: "The merlot is red and the chardonnay is white." Only in Utah! Chuck W – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever fished in Utah? What did you think? The state-run liquor stores closed way too early. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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Have you ever fished in Utah? no What did you think? not much. waldo Hey, pal, you got a problem with Utah? <g –Steve

yeah, what’s the deal with all that salt? walt, who loves western americana

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: I will be in Utah around SnowBird and Alta ski resorts in Mid Feb. Can : someone recommend somewhere? Yeah, a grass hut on the beach of Bora Bora!

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: I will be in Utah around SnowBird and Alta ski resorts in Mid Feb. Can : someone recommend somewhere? For fishing? Serious? I would guess a pot of water suspended over a large campfire might be your only bet. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I will be in Utah around SnowBird and Alta ski resorts in Mid Feb. Can : someone recommend somewhere?

You guys don’t know Utah to well some of the best fishing of the year is right on the doorstep of the ski areas in February –hint bring #16 and #18 pheasant tail nymph,9ft.4X leaders, Talk to a guide name Chris – tell him Pete B. sent you

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I live in Provo and fish the Provo river at least once a week. Last time I checked there wasn’t ten feet of snow, and if there were river access is easy enough to get around the snow. In fact, we had a blast hooking into big fish using some small midge patterns on top just a few days ago. Granted there is the ugly avalanche that’s 60′ deep and a half a mile wide, but that’s quite far from where the good fishing is on the Provo. So if you’re going to be in Utah for a while check out my Utah fly fishing page for the latest on the conditions. http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc Curtis Fry

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I will be in Utah around SnowBird and Alta ski resorts in Mid Feb. Can someone recommend somewhere?

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Re. Newt Gingrich

Re. Newt Gingrich

Question:

I am afraid my original comment might have gotten lost in the lengthy follow up to the Newt Gingrich and the Flyfisherman post. So again, this is for those involved in the original post, or at least those that didn’t know when to quit. Go away. When you are ready to discuss flyfishing, come back. — gp

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I find this a strange complaint from one who only 20 minutes earlier contributed to the thread about Newt and the Flyfisherman. Perhaps you folks north of the border have enough rivers or good enough government or businessmen who are sufficiently environmentally sensitive that you needn’t worry about the destruction of habitat including good trout water. But here in the good old U.S. of A. we have to fight the sonsabitches that would destroy everything for an extra buck or an extra vote (and the Newter expects to get both). I’d rather talk and think about fishing, but if I want to be able to do some good fishing I’ve got to do what I can do to prevent the sonsabitches from having their way. And one of those things is to talk about the problem to get others to think and act effectively about it. Besides, from what I hear about the clearcutting going on in British Columbia, you haven’t got enough of those good things I mentioned at the beginning of the last paragraph. Phil Holt

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