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I can carry everything I need…  in two big breast pockets. Op  –Boy, oh boy do I like big breasts–

Down boy. I don’t swing that way and even if I did, you’re not my type. — Ken Fortenberry

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For those who are interested the current edition of the British "Trout and Salmon" magazine contains a review of about a dozen fishing bags, by tony deacon, who sometimes posts on this thread. Lazarus

Hey Tony, ya gonna keep all those bags the manufacturers sent you or ya gonna pass ‘em out to a Yank or two for testing in combat fishing conditions? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy distributor in Canada. He’s pretty friendly and very helpful. He knew a great bit of history on the bags also. Here’s the link…… http://www.hardybc.com/countrywear_bags.htm — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

I’m glad that you like the bag.  I have a 21 year old Hardy bag that looks rather like the "compact" bag shown in the Hardy website that you made reference to.  After 21 years of use, the bag of mine still looks reasonably new and should continue to do its admirable job for hopefully many seasons to come. I still use a vest though, in conjuction with the bag, and for reasons shown below, I find that the light vest / bag arrangement is a very good way to carry items to the waters.  I use the bag to hold ancillary items like food / drink (holds a bottle of wine ok…), camera, and not often used tackle such as leader butt monofil, and speciality flies.  Keeper fish are also stowed inside the bag, although the bag is not lined and so I must wrap the fish in a plastic bag ~ heaven forbid if I forget to carry a plastic bag with me….  The bag is also great for any "finds" that are made during a days angling, say for instance field mushrooms towards the end of the season. I use my waistcoat to house my 2 Wheatley 12 compartment fly boxes, my tippet materials, my snippers, and my floatants & sinkants.  I find that getting access to these items is speeded up using the waistcoat over the bag.  My waistcoat is a small compact wading style vest made from moleskin, and is very nice indeed for housing the often accessed items that we use on a very frequent basis within the waters that we are fishing. Like you, I think that this style of bag is just great, and certainly good to look at, if only from the traditional sense. Well done on a good choice.  BTW,  there is another company "Brady" that makes bags similar to the Hardy twill range.  I have an ancient specimen that belonged to my late grandfather (died 1973), and thus the bag is likely to be over 40 years old.  The bag is perfectly serviceable, and indeed is my dedicated sea trout / spinning bag even today. Regards, Michael.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tim Apple writes: The bag is knit twill and leather. The filsons cost more and have to much leather for my tastes. And I’ve seen people pay over a hundered for a vest that’s not even waterproof. Oh well, to each his own I guess. It looks very much like my wife’s purse.  Hell, it looks just like many women’s purses.  When I need something in my vest, I know exactly where it is.  If it’s in a bag, I’ll have to search for it.  Ya ever seen a woman search for her car keys?  <G  A good vest will have pockets for fly boxes, tippet spools, leader wallet, split shot, indicators, frog’s fanny, floatant, etc,etc,etc.  Plus, there’s lots of room to hang stuff.  As you said, "to each his own." Dave

I like to fish only with waistcoat if possible because of the enhanced mobility,  but do like being able to be out all day with enough stuff to see me through the day.  On days out with a few fishing pals, we often convene for lunch somewhere beside the river, and it is much nicer to have lunch with some beers or wine.  I stick my SLR camera in my bag too, and sometimes a flask of tea.  Now and then I will knock a fish on the head and bring him home for supper,  this too goes into the bag.  Bags do do a good job for that time when a waistcoat is not enough.  Like I mentioned in a previous post,  I still like to use a light waistcoat in tandem with the bag. Regards, Michael.

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I can carry everything I need…  in two big breast pockets. Op  –Boy, oh boy do I like big breasts– Down boy. I don’t swing that way and even if I did, you’re not my type. — Ken Fortenberry

Are you hittin’ on me, Ken?  I think you are hittin’ on me, Ken. Op  –I think he likes me!, maybe!–

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Tim: Great to hear it. I’ve been struggling with the vest / no vest dilemma for a while now. Where did you get the bag, and what kind did you get? Jim Ray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ya’ll, Well I’ve had my angling bag for about two weeks now so I figured I should give a report. It’s outstanding. I love it more than my girlfriend! I will never wear a vest again(unless absolutely necessary). It hold’s everything I had in my vest and still could hold about double that if needed. It’s very comfortable, and removes easy if I just want to set it down on the bank. It keeps all my stuff dry, no leaking or even absorbing a bit of water. The double knit twill is pretty water tight stuff. Plus I look cool wearing it j/k. I really do think it’s the best equipment carrier I’ve used. My poor vest is most likely going to sit on my shelf and collect dust. Oh..did I say, It makes gearing up great, just pop the bag on your shoulder and go. I always fumbled with my vest and buckling a chestpack always drove me nuts. Well that’s my story and I’m sticking to it! — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

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I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy distributor in Canada. He’s pretty friendly and very helpful. He knew a great bit of history on the bags also. Here’s the link…… http://www.hardybc.com/countrywear_bags.htm — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great to hear it. I’ve been struggling with the vest / no vest dilemma for a while now. Where did you get the bag, and what kind did you get? Jim Ray

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I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy distributor in Canada. He’s pretty friendly and very helpful. He knew a great bit of history on the bags also. Here’s the link…… http://www.hardybc.com/countrywear_bags.htm

How many fish can you carry in that thing?

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I haven’t put any fish in it..haven’t kept a fish in a few years. Probably could hold a dozen or more 12-18 inchers I guess. — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy distributor in Canada. He’s pretty friendly and very helpful. He knew a great bit of history on the bags also. Here’s the link…… http://www.hardybc.com/countrywear_bags.htm How many fish can you carry in that thing?

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Hey ya’ll, Well I’ve had my angling bag for about two weeks now so I figured I should give a report. It’s outstanding. I love it more than my girlfriend! I will never wear a vest again(unless absolutely necessary). It hold’s everything I had in my vest and still could hold about double that if needed. It’s very comfortable, and removes easy if I just want to set it down on the bank.

You just sold me. I’m sticking with my vest. If I put a fishing bag down some lucky ffisherman would be posting in here on how to remove the grass stains from a bag he found. Russell Swear I’d lose my head . . .

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  I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. …

Nice looking bag, and such a bargain too. Only $262 CDN which works out to what, about a buck seventy-five in real money ? I’m a vest guy most of the time but on those quickie 2 hour strolls right next to the cabin I can carry everything I need on a lanyard and in two big breast pockets. Both methods, vest and lanyard/pockets, provide easier access to things than a bag or fanny pack. — Ken Fortenberry

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Timothy I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy Timothy distributor in Canada. Sounds like a nice idea, but how well can you carry it while your wading / casting? That is, do you practically always have to leave it on the bank when you wade out? Hmm, or do you attach it to your waders using a belt or something? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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I sling it across my shoulders. I only put it on shore now and then, mainly when I know there aren’t any people around. I can wade chest deep and only a little of the bag get’s submerged now and then, and it still stays dry. It really doesn’t get in the way at all. — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Timothy I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. About it from a Hardy Timothy distributor in Canada. Sounds like a nice idea, but how well can you carry it while your wading / casting? That is, do you practically always have to leave it on the bank when you wade out? Hmm, or do you attach it to your waders using a belt or something? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Timothy I sling it across my shoulders. I only put it on shore now Timothy and then, mainly when I know there aren’t any people Timothy around. I can wade chest deep and only a little of the bag Timothy get’s submerged now and then, and it still stays dry. It Timothy really doesn’t get in the way at all. I have to give this serious consideration. I’ve survived without a vest or a shoulder bag so far. I’ve used a jacket with big pockets, and a very small backpack (18 liters) which stays very high (does not get wet when wading). That’s been a fairly good combination, but I have to take the backpack off my back if I need additional flies. I guess I have to pay the local Hardy dealer a visit. Thanks. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. … Nice looking bag, and such a bargain too. Only $262 CDN which works out to what, about a buck seventy-five in real money ?

The fishing section at my local K-Mart has a variety of tackle bags for $10-20.  Of course, they are made out of nylon instead of canvas and leather, but they aren’t too bad looking.  The savings could be spent on those other UK imports over at the liquor store, so you would still have that tweedy, cultured Olde Worlde air about you. Kevin

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I can carry everything I need…  in two big breast pockets.

Hormone shots are workin’, are they? Op  –Boy, oh boy do I like big breasts– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Ken Fortenberry

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Op  –Boy, oh boy do I like big breasts–

Was that some banjo I just heard? Dave

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If that $262 was Canadian funds, it equates to $163.98 for a freaking canvas bag.  You’ve got to be kidding! Crusty

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I guess I have to pay the local Hardy dealer a visit.

If you are going to pay Hardy prices, you might want to consider Filson for the quality and design. Their Foul Weather vest might suit your needs. They are a 100 year old Seattle company founded to outfit the Yukon goldrush. http://smtp2.thewwwstore.com/filson/1433.HTM Dave

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The bag is knit twill and leather. The filsons cost more and have to much leather for my tastes. And I’ve seen people pay over a hundered for a vest that’s not even waterproof. Oh well, to each his own I guess. — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If that $262 was Canadian funds, it equates to $163.98 for a freaking canvas bag.  You’ve got to be kidding! Crusty

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But my bag can carry what I would get at the liquor store plus all my other gear. — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought the Hardy’s Carry All model. … Nice looking bag, and such a bargain too. Only $262 CDN which works out to what, about a buck seventy-five in real money ? The fishing section at my local K-Mart has a variety of tackle bags for $10-20.  Of course, they are made out of nylon instead of canvas and leather, but they aren’t too bad looking.  The savings could be spent on those other UK imports over at the liquor store, so you would still have that tweedy, cultured Olde Worlde air about you. Kevin

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Tim Apple writes: The bag is knit twill and leather. The filsons cost more and have to much leather for my tastes. And I’ve seen people pay over a hundered for a vest that’s not even waterproof. Oh well, to each his own I guess.

It looks very much like my wife’s purse.  Hell, it looks just like many women’s purses.  When I need something in my vest, I know exactly where it is.  If it’s in a bag, I’ll have to search for it.  Ya ever seen a woman search for her car keys?  <G  A good vest will have pockets for fly boxes, tippet spools, leader wallet, split shot, indicators, frog’s fanny, floatant, etc,etc,etc.  Plus, there’s lots of room to hang stuff.  As you said, "to each his own." Dave

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Well I’ve had my angling bag for about two weeks now so I figured I should give a report.

For those who are interested the current edition of the British "Trout and Salmon" magazine contains a review of about a dozen fishing bags, by tony deacon, who sometimes posts on this thread.  though the only traditional one is the brady aeriel (which I tried to persuade Timothy to buy, only I was too late – anyway, the Hardy is excellent). The Brady costs about $100 in England. Postage to the states can’t be much. i buy books from the US to England by post all the time on the net. If I can be bothered I’ll type up the Brady report and post it. Lazarus

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I guess I have to pay the local Hardy dealer a visit. If you are going to pay Hardy prices, you might want to consider Filson for the quality and design. Their Foul Weather vest might suit your needs. They are a 100 year old Seattle company founded to outfit the Yukon goldrush. http://smtp2.thewwwstore.com/filson/1433.HTM

I’ve had a couple of filson products over the years.  They are great and durable, but not for warm desert type climates!  Wearing a Filson outfit on the Bighorn in July is brutal…   Dave summarizes it best, Filson designed equipment to outfit the Yukon.

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Hey ya’ll, Well I’ve had my angling bag for about two weeks now so I figured I should give a report. It’s outstanding. I love it more than my girlfriend! I will never wear a vest again(unless absolutely necessary). It hold’s everything I had in my vest and still could hold about double that if needed. It’s very comfortable, and removes easy if I just want to set it down on the bank. It keeps all my stuff dry, no leaking or even absorbing a bit of water. The double knit twill is pretty water tight stuff. Plus I look cool wearing it j/k. I really do think it’s the best equipment carrier I’ve used. My poor vest is most likely going to sit on my shelf and collect dust. Oh..did I say, It makes gearing up great, just pop the bag on your shoulder and go. I always fumbled with my vest and buckling a chestpack always drove me nuts. Well that’s my story and I’m sticking to it! — Tim Apple www.flyfishingaddict.com

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture? You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?  When there’s water flowing, the lower Poudre has been very good.  Lots of midges out with the fish feeding all day. The trout in the canyon although catchable are icecubes already. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?

Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list! — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list!

   Yup, I wasn’t fooled for a second. I wonder if Sue’s a very good fly fisher?

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?

   Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?    Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

ME too!!!! When I reread it after posting, I knew it didn’t sound right. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Willi

  Careful, Willi.  I had the pleasure of spending last Friday evening with Charlie & Pat for a visit and supper (and a fine cigar).  The next day, Charlie took me to one of his secret fishing holes.  I caught giant bluegill, crappie, a largemouth and a couple of different species of trout.  All on streamers.  What a beautiful day.  Must have caught 20 fish (to Charlie’s 40?).  But, my shoulder may never be the same.  Put a "hitch" in it setting the hook so many times.  I tried an ice pack but the only thing that seems to relieve the hurt is some ‘ol Mil. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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Try a LA Habor trick, They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the birds can’t stand on it. I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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I had the same problem in my old three story house. Instead of a BB gun I used my sons’ Super Soaker squirt gun. It worked OK for a while – they seemd to know when I was gone and planned their activities accordingly. Mark Molnar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

I had a similar problem with the house I bought a few months ago. The blame could be put on the previous owner, who neighbors told me, fed the pigeons. There are a couple of solutions, you can do them yourself or hire a professional (Look under "Bird Control" or "Pest Control" in the yellow pages). – You can put down spikes in strategic locations. – You can put up netting. – You can live trap (OK, the trap catches them alive, but due to – pigeons’ homing instincts you can’t just let them go, so they have   to be killed). http://www.flybye.com/ sells supplies. I went with a local pest control company that put up spikes and netting and tried to live trap. The live trap didn’t work for me; in fact the pigeons had no respect for it as they would walk all over it, but not go in it. It wasn’t cheap to have it done for me: $400 for the spikes and netting (on a 1.5 story house), and $140 for trapping. For a few weeks the spikes and netting only seemed to work a little. A neighbor recommended putting rubber snakes on the roof. I bought a couple of rubber snakes, but I never did get around to putting them on the roof as after a few weeks the pigeon visitation stopped. Another alternative that I thought of was making the roof accessible to cats. I have a few and there are plenty of neighbor cats. I thought of some designs for "cat ladders" but I never had the need to construct one. — Doug Rudoff

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

A couple of cat would discourage them, particularly if you don’t overfeed them. Otherwise, cover all entrances with 1" poultry netting (aka chicken wire); if they’re nesting in louvers or something on the outside, cover those as well (the wire will be virtually invisible from a distance). Place a radio up there blasting heavy metal or rap at full volume, if it won’t bother your neighbors. Scatter around a few handfulls of moth balls. I’m at my Wit’s end here.

I’ve always wanted to build a street named "Wit", terminating in a cul-de-sac… Gary — "It’s like complaining if wood has grains in it. Wood does have grains in it, and it is still beautiful."  Apple VP Phil Schiller, trying to explain away cracks in the Apple G4 Cube as being "mold marks".

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: Try a LA Habor trick, : They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that : the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it : and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the : ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. : Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very : well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the : birds can’t stand on it. : I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) : John

: When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen : pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: : removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board : with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to : scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? : : I’m at my Wit’s end here. : : Thanks. These sound like good ways which DON’T involve killing. No need to do that. —

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My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy…

But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover!

It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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- My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy.

Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy and you want gradual reduction in unit mass down the line taper and through the leader to the tippet for the most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! How do you suppose the energy of a wave passes through a body of water?  Not a lot of ’stiff’ involved there! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader.

Even though conventional wisdom say stiff, Lefty Kreh for one says exactly what you do – been experimenting with less stiff, more massive butts myself.. (umm, did that sound a bit weird?) here’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good.

makes sense This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing.

I hear ya. Regards, Jeff

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…loo-to-loop connection….

The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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…have you been talking to my wife? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun!

That’s OK, I reamed you on your blackbeard’s ghost thing just to keep it in balance Regards, Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are.

It must be that weird British sense of humor, Jeff. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet.

I agree with Tony up to a point, I suppose. The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader. Stiffness is secondary, but I prefer something about as stiff as the flyline. (NOT a section of graphite tip!) If you look at mass, though, the loop-to-loop connections are even worse. There’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good. This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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As you fish throughout the day, the blood clots should dissolve and your leader ought to smooth out somewhat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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That is a line, not a leader, and when properly controlled does not touch the water, so the stuff stays bloody. Clots are sometimes difficult I agree. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line?

280 yards of Maxima Chameleon is about $6. 30 yards of same is $3 Chameleon is stiff, Ultragreen is limp but I’m not sure how stiff their Clear line is. As far as butt recommendations, it depends on your fly line.  I use a 15 lb test Maxima butt for my Wulff Triangle Taper 3/4 but 20lb is better for my Airflo Long Belly 4.  Try 25 or 30 for your 6 wt. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff, I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line? Thanks, Tim Tim, it’s leader material but it won’t work worth a damn nail knotted to your rods waldo

But I sure would save a lot of cash not buying fly line….hmmm…wonder how it would cast???:)

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If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Nail knotting it to the rods will result in broken rods, or very short overpowered casts, knot it to the line ! The Maxima referred to is monofilament fishing line. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story… Last weekend my family and I went camping in Yosemite valley.  I will not get into the planning and strategies necessary to camp with seven-month old twins for four nights but suffice to say that I was, by the grace of my dear wife, able to sneak away for a little fishing here and there. If you’ve never been there, well, it really is as pretty as you’ve heard.  And much to my amazement, there are fish swimming in the Merced river — right by the spots that millions (well, hundreds of thousands, anyway) of tourists traverse each summer.  I have always assumed that any water with that ease of access and that many people around would be fished out.  But this isn’t the case here.  I suppose that (a) the artificial fly regulations limit the casual baitfishing that often accompanies camping and (b) most people are there to see El Capitan, Half Dome, and the waterfalls.  Anyway, as it turns out there were fish swimming in both the Merced and Tenaya Creek.  The following is the story of one of those fish. The river is extremely low this time of year — not surprising — and the fishing was challenging.  It was like fishing on a mirror, the water was so smooth, clear, and slow-moving. On the third morning I walked downstream until I got to a spot where Katy and I had seen fish the day before.  The good news was they were rising.  The bad news was I couldn’t figure out what they were rising to as nothing seemed to be coming off the water.  I suspect they were taking emergers of some type but never really figured it out.  I crawled to the water’s edge and started throwing out the usual suspects — small caddis, morning duns, light cahills, mosquitos, even a royal wulff.  Nothing.  Fish would rise just behind my fly so I hadn’t scared them — they had just taken a long look at my offering and found it wanting.  Ok, that’s not working.  I tried fishing a couple of these wet with the same effect.  Just for kicks I tied on an ant and cast that under a few branches.  Nothing. At this point I was getting a little frustrated — I’d been working this pool for practically two hours, watching fish rise the whole time, and hadn’t been able to elicit so much as a strike.  I suppose I should have been happy that I hadn’t scared them yet either but that seemed an awful small victory at the time.  I also started to feel that perhaps I should have paid a little bit closer attention in biology.  Stupid bugs. I retreated to a rock to sit and think for a minute.  Having thrown every likely dry in my box I decided it was time to (as my brother-in-law would say) turn to the dark side.  I started to tie on a royal coachman for an indicator and a small prince nymph dropper off the back of the hook.  As I was sitting working on my knots I heard a rustling in the brushes across the river.  I turned to see what it was and saw a deer and her fawn emerging on the far bank.  They seemed unfazed by my presence — I’m sure they have seen plenty of people — and proceeded down to the river to drink.  Figuring that they would go elsewhere once they caught a good whiff of me (remember it’s day three folks…), I turned my attention back to the river and cast out the double rig. About halfway through the pool — a drift that seemed like it took five minutes — I heard splashing behind me.  The deer were crossing the current and coming my way.  I stopped watching my fly and watched them walk by, no more than 20 feet away at the tree line.  As an aside, I overheard a lot of people that weekend complaining that the only wildlife they saw were squirrels and scrub jays — they just needed to get out of bed a little early, find a likely spot, and sit quietly for a while.  The park isn’t a zoo, folks.  Anyway. I decided that seeing the deer was a pretty cool thing and that I should be happy about that too.  It was getting late and I needed to be heading back to camp to help out with breakfast.  I rationalized that a couple more casts wouldn’t really make me that late, right?  I could walk a little faster back to camp. I cast out once again, just in front of an overhanging branch.  The coachman slowly drifted under the branch and then, suddenly, gone! Eyes to brain:  MSG URGENT you’ve got a strike…  I set the hook and started working on getting the fish in. A couple splashes and quick runs later I was unhooking a surprised 12" brown trout.  I know that the standard joke is that big fish are big and small fish are "nice" or "pretty" or "jewels" but I never get over the brilliant markings on a brown trout.  So colorful. That pretty much made the morning.  I cut off the flies, put them back in my box, reeled up my line, and humped it back to camp double-time — just in time for a fresh batch of pancakes off the griddle.  My brother-in-law and father-in-law (who had both declined to go with me that morning) did not believe me about my catch, but my wife saw the look in my eye and knew that I had indeed been successful in my hunt. I ended up getting back to this spot later in the afternoon, ready to go at it again, but by then the river was full of kids throwing rocks and splashing around.  The moment to fish that spot had passed — we were leaving the next morning.  I know that a more accomplished angler may have pulled five or six fish out of that pool in the two-plus hours that I worked it, but that one fish was like a reward, payoff for patience and sticking at it. Thanks for reading, BW Brad Williams father of twins — fly fisher — teller of long stories * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Brad, Nice story.. I believe you!  :) Made me want to fish!! -Mark If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

Nice story, glad you got a fish. TL MC

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Nice story Brad.  The smooth water in the meadows is fun to fish, but the fish are easier to catch if you go upstream to where the white water is. The fish are wild since they quit stocking hatchery trout in the park. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

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In 2 days, the auction for a Beautiful Hardy Marquis 6 Fly Fishing Reel – No Reserve – will be completed. Please check it out. Thanks!

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I’m looking for F/F classifieds. Used Rods, reels, etc. rgill

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I’m looking for F/F classifieds. Used Rods, reels, etc. rgill

http://flyfish.com/cgibin/bin/ldisplay.cgi?forsale http://flyfishing.com/classifieds/ads/sale.shtml http://www.flyshop.com/Classified/index.html http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/equipcat.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/exchangeboard/ http://cayman.ebay.com/aw/listings/endtoday/category384/index.html Good Luck! -Robert

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I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November. I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge. I’d be interrested to see if anyone else has had luck finding guides who would be willing to take us out for a day.  How much do they charge and how do I find one. Any other info that you feel would help, please let me know. Thanks in advance, Dave Blizard — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November.

I’ve been to Belieze several times. I went there to experiment with bone fishing.  If you need information about bone fishing in Belieze drop me an e-mail.  

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I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge.

We stayed in San Pedro on Ambergris Caye, at the Holiday Hotel (it’s in any Belize travel book.  There are many good guides that will come right to the dock and pick you up.  The hotel proprietor will arange, but you can save a little money by doing it yourself.  Guides we used were Wilbur, Jose and Mario. Yes, believe it or not, the hotel proprietor will probably know who you are talking about by their first name.  email me if you need more info.

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I’ve not got our Belize fishing material up, and it may not be up by November. However, I can suggest a book called The New Key to Belize by Stacy Ritz as a general guide.  There’s a bit of fishing information.  But it’s a superior general guide from Ulysses Press, Box 3440, Berkeley, CA 94703-3440 and worth the $14. I was a field archeologist there in 1959 –British Honduras days — and the fishinw as fabulous.  It’s still quite good both out along the reef and back in the rivers.  I generally take ultralight gear and have a lot of fun with the smaller fish and, in particular the bonefish and snook. Tarpon and bonefish could be super although you might be a bit late for permit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning a trip to Belieze in mid November. I know i’ve seen some posts in this group regarding Belieze fishing.  My plan is to head down there with a fishing buddy of mine.  I would like to hear of any suggestions as to where to stay and costs involved. I would be most interrested in staying at a low key low cost, inn or resort, not at a fishing only lodge. I’d be interrested to see if anyone else has had luck finding guides who would be willing to take us out for a day.  How much do they charge and how do I find one. Any other info that you feel would help, please let me know. Thanks in advance, Dave Blizard — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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A while back I saw some info on the TMA on the Housatonic in Northern CT. including a phone number for latest info.  I hope to have a chance to fish there Sept. 10 and 11.  Any info and that phone number would be appreciated. Thanks. Tom G.

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To answer a previous inquiry, for information about fly fishing in the trout management area of the Housatonic River in northwestern Connecticut, try calling the Housatonic Meadows Fly Shop in Cornwall, Connecticut at 203-672-6064.  Good luck! Mark Melnick Stamford, Connecticut, USA

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To answer a previous inquiry, for information about fly fishing in the trout management area of the Housatonic River in northwestern Connecticut, try calling the Housatonic Meadows Fly Shop in Cornwall, Connecticut at 203-672-6064.  Good luck! Mark Melnick Stamford, Connecticut, USA

The owner of the HMFS is Phil .. Phil pointed out a nice spot for us this spring, and we ended up the day with a few nice smallmouth and a 16" rainbow, plus watched others get some nice ones. you can also look at the CT fishing page http://metro.turnpike.net/J/jfagan/index.html

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A while back I saw some info on the TMA on the Housatonic in Northern CT. including a phone number for latest info.  I hope to have a chance to fish there Sept. 10 and 11.  Any info and that phone number would be appreciated.

The best source is the Housatonic Fly Fishermen’s Association’s recording at 203 248-8616.  However, unless we get some good rain in the next week, you really should stay off the Housie:  water levels are too low and the water temperature is too hot, with the result that the fish get overstressed when caught and have a poor likelihood of survival even with the most caring resuscitation.  

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(203) 248-8616

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Haven’t been to river but my guess is it’s unfishable due to drought.Fish move to mouths of cold feeder creeks which are closed to fishing. Anyway, info number is 203 248 8616. Better bet is Farmington River from Riverton downstream to New Hartford. Water remains cold ’cause it’s dam-fed. Info number 860  738 7327. Brian Matthews

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Haven’t been to river but my guess is it’s unfishable due to drought.

I drove down Rte 7 along the TMA today, Saturday, 9/3, and stopped at a few places to look at the water.  I have never seen it so low; barely a trickle. Rocks I’d never seen before were fully exposed.  A couple of jerks were ffing in the Church Pool, but there seemed little risk that they’d catch anything.  Otherwise I think I would have jumped in and splashed around just to put down any trout that might have been thinking of lunch. This river should not be fished until after we’ve had some rain and cooler weather.

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ANYONE IN THIS NEWSGROUP INTERESTED IN A SE MASS S/W FLY FISH COAST E MAIL ME DIRECT REGARDS MATT

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I’m interested.

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