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After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment, I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend. I use a clinch knot. I think that 60% breakage figure is low. Make sure you lubricate the knot with a little spit before tightening. Willi

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I break off far more fish  (and bushes and trees) on my tippet to leader knot than I do at the hook eye knot (improved clinch for me). Of course, I am quite lazy and use a double surgeons knot instead of a blood knot for my tippet/leader connection, which probably explains that. Actually breaking off on anything is fairly rare with the stronger mono now in existence. The stuff I used  30 years ago was another matter. G.Cleveland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved clinch version. Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

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"william hughes" wrote… Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line.

All the info that everyone has given you about knots will serve you well.. apply it. One other thing you should consider is a longer leader for dry fly fishing for trout.  7-1/2 feet is short.  9′ and up would be better.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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DON’T PULL ON THE TAG END!!! I think lubrication is overrated.

I believe these two lines are in the running for my favorite ROFF quotes of 2002. Of course the year is still young. : ) -eddie http://www.guidetracker.com Go Fish…

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"william hughes" wrote… Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. One other thing you should consider is a longer leader for dry fly fishing for trout.  7-1/2 feet is short.  9′ and up would be better.

Yep. What I do is buy 7.5′ 3X tapered leaders then use tippet material to build leaders anywhere from 8.5′ to 15′. Ernie Harrison’s little red thingy is good for this. What in the hell ever happened to Ernie ? Did he get his knickers in a twist over that "rod loading" bullshit ? — Ken Fortenberry

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I use the improved clinch on smaller flies, but I find that it tends to slip on larger hooks.   I like the Trilene knot for big stuff.  My rule of thumb is if the hook eye is big enough to get the line through it twice, I use the trilene knot, otherwise I use the improved clinch knot. Kevin

I use neither and I certainly stopped using the clinch knot many, many, many years ago.  I have never used a knot that has cost me more lost fish than the damned clinch knot.  It is a stupid knot, a lazy knot, and only uneducated knot makers use it. I suppose with fishing LINES your rule of thumb would surfice but when it comes to dry flies and the hooks used in fly fishing, the amount of steel and drag used has a better scientific result determined by fifty years of testing by this author and it is this.  When a TIPPET can be thraded through the eye of the hook THREE TIMES, you have established the proper tippet diameter for that hook.  It is not correct to use an example that states, if your tippet material is .010 diameter it should slip through the eye of a .030 diameter hook.  However; if your tippet will squeeze through three times it works just fine.  That is three strands in a triangle configuration. There are physics involved that determine why this works but I’m not up to explaining it right now.  It simply works Kevin and it works wonderfully. I use ONE KNOT on all my flies and that is the Duncan Loop or Uni-Knot. I use FIVE turns through the loop and I snug the knot up to the tippet line without drawing the knot TO THE EYE OF THE HOOK.  When I put the Uni-Knot up to the eye, I leave a sixteenth of an inch of slack because I don’t wish to bottom the knot against the eye.  This way, my flies have movement as does my nymphs but especially my nymphs.   I have never, never lost a fish due to the 100% Uni-knot.  It has never come undone, it has never fail me in any way, shape or form. This IS the one knot any fly fisherman can stake their faith in any place on this planet.  This and the blood knot. Once a fish is hooked, the strike and weight of the fish draws the Uni-knot down to the eye of the hook for battle.   George Gehrke

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One other thing you should consider is a longer leader for dry fly fishing for trout.  7-1/2 feet is short.  9′ and up would be better.

Especially in deeper or bigger water, I usually use a long leader when nymphing. I especially like to use a very long tippet. The thin tippet sinks much more readilly than the heavier sections of the leader and allows for easier strike detection and better control. Willi

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There are physics involved that determine why this works but I’m not up to explaining it right now.  

Well, color me surprised… Kevin — Check out the Pike Clave Website: <http://www.misu.nodak.edu/~vang/PikeClave/

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most of the tests I’ve seen on the clinch report 85 to 90% usually towatrds the higher number. The improved gets the strength up to about 95%. A stronger knot is the trilene. With any knot make sure you use the correct number of turns for the strength of tippet material. I suggest you consult a book or article by Lefty Kreh as I’ve found what he writes about knots to be the most reliable. RalphH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved clinch version. Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

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Make sure your tippet material is in good shape. It deteriorates with age, especially if it’s exposed to sunlight.

        now *that’s* the truth.  and probably the primary reason for the failure of *any* knot. your friend in the old north state wayno

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I use ONE KNOT on all my flies and that is the Duncan Loop or Uni-Knot.

        how neat.  i use only one knot, myself.  the improved clinch. well, just goes to show that two great fishermen can differ—right, george? I have never, never lost a fish due to the 100% Uni-knot.  It has never come undone, it has never fail me in any way, shape or form. This IS the one knot any fly fisherman can stake their faith in any place on this planet.  This and the blood knot.

        how telling.  you know what one half of a blood knot is, don’t you, george?  that’s right:  an improved clinch.         i just knew we’d find a common ground. wayno

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I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

Most of the guides I’ve hired (especially the ones who are aggressive about changing flies) use the regular clinch knot. Whether it’s as strong as the improved clinch knot I don’t know, but it’s sure easier for me to tie, especially with fine tippets. If I’m changing flies a lot I use it. DON’T PULL ON THE TAG END!!! I think lubrication is overrated. If you tighten the knot slowly and carefully lubrication is unnecessary, IMHO. Make sure your tippet material is in good shape. It deteriorates with age, especially if it’s exposed to sunlight. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

I use the improved clinch on smaller flies, but I find that it tends to slip on larger hooks.   I like the Trilene knot for big stuff.  My rule of thumb is if the hook eye is big enough to get the line through it twice, I use the trilene knot, otherwise I use the improved clinch knot. Kevin — Check out the Pike Clave Website: <http://www.misu.nodak.edu/~vang/PikeClave/

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After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to.

That is odd.  A few quick experiments should tell you if you’re tying them that weak. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie.

Hmm, I find it as easy, if not easier, to tie.

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After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved clinch version. Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

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After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,   I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

I use a clinch knot. I think that 60% breakage figure is low. Make sure you lubricate the knot with a little spit before tightening. Willi

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I use a clinch knot. I think that 60% breakage figure is low. Make sure you lubricate the knot with a little spit before tightening.

Same here…..five turns, well lubricated. Additional turns, or the "improvement" of pulling the tag end through the loop, seem to me to make the knot harder to tighten properly and more likely to unravel. The key is to make sure the knot is tight. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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William Hughes writes: After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved

I have used the clinch knot for many years.  Never moved up to the improved clinch, and like you say, the uni-knot takes a little longer to tie (especially with arthritic hands).  If you tie the clinch correctly, lubricating the tippet before you pull the knot tight, it should not fail.  I have landed some very big fish with 5x tippet and the clinch knot.   Once you get the knot tightened and trimmed the tag end, pull on the fly to see if  the knot will hold.  Like tens of thousands of fly fishermen before you, the clinch knot should be all you will need. Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved clinch version. Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

The Uni is quick and easy to tie – it you add one step.  Assuming you’re right handed, normally one threads the tippet into the eye of the hook and leaves about 3" of a tag.  Hold the eye of the hook, the tippet and the tag with the left thumb and forefinger.  Now wrap the tippet around your left index finger a couple of times.  This keeps the short length of tippet above the eye nice and taut, making it easier to form and thread the loop to finish the knot. HTH Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I agree with Dave et al…lubricating the knot is the key issue.  I don’t lose many trout because of knot problems. Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – William Hughes writes: After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved I have used the clinch knot for many years.  Never moved up to the improved clinch, and like you say, the uni-knot takes a little longer to tie (especially with arthritic hands).  If you tie the clinch correctly, lubricating the tippet before you pull the knot tight, it should not fail.  I have landed some very big fish with 5x tippet and the clinch knot. Once you get the knot tightened and trimmed the tag end, pull on the fly to see if  the knot will hold.  Like tens of thousands of fly fishermen before you, the clinch knot should be all you will need. Dave

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There are two things to keep in mind when tying the clinch knot.  1) lubricate it. 2) tighten it slowly.  Thightening (a new word?) the knot quickly will cause heat to build up in the mono and weaken the tippet. Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – William Hughes writes: After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved I have used the clinch knot for many years.  Never moved up to the improved clinch, and like you say, the uni-knot takes a little longer to tie (especially with arthritic hands).  If you tie the clinch correctly, lubricating the tippet before you pull the knot tight, it should not fail.  I have landed some very big fish with 5x tippet and the clinch knot. Once you get the knot tightened and trimmed the tag end, pull on the fly to see if  the knot will hold.  Like tens of thousands of fly fishermen before you, the clinch knot should be all you will need. Dave

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Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

William, I count being knot-challenged amongst my various and sundry handicaps. Some days I just can’t seem to make a freaking clinch knot work, improved or otherwise. If the ratio of tippet diameter vs. hook-eye diameter allows, I always use a Palomar knot. This is a very simple knot to learn and is very strong. I don’t remember this knot ever failing me. For smaller flies, you (and I!) had better learn to tie the clinch. I have noticed a marked improvement in clinch knotting since I started using my forceps as a tying tool, I’m not sure why. Danl

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After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles.

William, For some time, I used the improved clinch knot. When I started getting into bigger fish, it seemed too many were breaking me off. I mentioned this to my local friendly flyshop owner one day and he told me he uses the regular clinch knot. He explained that the improved clinch is a stronger knot when tied properly, but many times during tying it can get twisted, and when it does, it becomes much weaker. So since that day, I’ve been happily using the standard clinch. The number of bigger fish breaking me off has been greatly reduced! As others have said, lubricate well and tighten slowly. After trimming the tag-end, always test the knot by gently pulling on the fly and tippet. Sometimes it looks like you’ve tied it correctly, but a pull will reveal a bad knot and the fly will come off the tippet. And it’s much better to find a bad knot by your pulling than by a trout’s! And yes, I’ve learned this tip the hard way! Fish on, my friend. Danny McMillin — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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There are two things to keep in mind when tying the clinch knot.  1) lubricate it. 2) tighten it slowly.  …

I would add a third, tighten by pulling the line end away from the eye and not by pulling on the tag end. I switched from an improved clinch to a clinch several years ago based on something I read here in ROFF. Works for me. — Ken Fortenberry

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All knot failures I’ve had with the improved Cinch have been do to my stupidity in tying the knot, not the design of the knot. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After finally purchasing most of the needed equipment,  spending hours practice casting, and reading everything I can find about fly-fishing, I’m almost ready to go. Some articles state that the clinch knot (for tying fly to tippet) is only 60% as strong as the tippet it is tied to. There also seems to be debate over whether improved version is actually better. Even so, it seems to be at the top of the list when looking at knot tying articles. After losing practice flies using this knot, I started tying uni-knot, but it takes longer  to tie. My knot tying ability and casing smoothness have both improved somewhat, and I plan to start actually fishing with improved clinch version. Set-up will be 5x tapered (sci. anglers 7 1/2 ft) tip with12-16 size flies with 5 wt wt-forward line. I was hoping to get poll on  knot’s others would use/recommend.

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Oh man.  Bears and goats and underwear and snakes and trees and…and….and…jeez!  What kind of people are you??!

Ya ain’t seen nothin’ ’till you’ve seen an ol’ rattler tryin’ to get his fangs loose from LaPlac’s shorts<g. — Charlie…

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ROFFLOL

Rolling Outdoors Fly Fishing Laughing Out Loud??? Regards, Jeff

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(Hilarious stuff snipped) Steve, I sure hope you keep this up, ’cause I find myself wading through all the other stuff just to find your review (I also make certain that I have no comestibles in my mouth that might otherwise coat my monitor). Thanks for the levity. Bob

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we need a new acronym because ROTFLMBO is and understatement after reading this weeks report.

How about  LSHIPM  (Laughing So Hard I Pissed Myself) Though this appropriate thanks to the go potty post. Peter

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ROFFLOL

Monday April 24th Discussion of a cleaner, gentler version of ROFF continues this week

<and cetera

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much good snippeded.. Walt, far beit for me to call into question your sage advise, but on Upper Creek the odds of seeing is pretty fair; however, the odds of being bitten is anyone’s guess!  Caution is emphasized!  In addition to everything else I own, I ,always, carry a snake bite kit. Which leads me to another thought: Are there any good sherpas coming to the Clave! Opie and so are the snakes. i’d like to emphasize that the odds of seeing,

snippage… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a serpent is extremely remote, the situation does exist so take a little bit more care than usual moving up a stream, especially where you put your hands when climbing. waldo

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C… leaves are coming out… and so are the snakes….

Oh man.  Bears and goats and underwear and snakes and trees and…and….and…jeez!  What kind of people are you??!

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By midweek they’re drinking Metamucil instead of scotch and crashing at 9 o’clock.

But up plenty early to see PJ drag *your* ass out of bed<g. — Charlie…

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By midweek they’re drinking Metamucil instead of scotch and crashing at 9 o’clock. But up plenty early to see PJ drag *your* ass out of bed<g. — Charlie…

which is well worth the price of admission also…. although jeff, mark, and i got some serious fishing done this past week, there’s still plenty left to do. the best moment i had was on a little feeder stream in the wilson watershed… jeff, after much ado, standing in a small waterfall, bow & arrowed a stimulator through a tight gauntlet of rhodo into a small stone faced pool …. he was rewarded with a truly beautiful wild brown of about 10-12 inches and i was rewarded with the satisfaction of  viewing a well done presentation in a damn near impossible scenario. way to go jeffie, you’ve earned your small stream badge one other note of import…. spring is here… leaves are coming out… and so are the snakes. i’d like to emphasize that the odds of seeing, much less being bitten by a serpent is extremely remote, the situation does exist so take a little bit more care than usual moving up a stream, especially where you put your hands when climbing. waldo

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< great stuff snipped With blatant disregard for the feelings of those who won’t be arriving at the clave until later in the week, Tom Brown posts the Clave Kickoff menu, generating a collective outporing of drool not experienced since Greg Pavlov’s last post. …

For future reference, it’s been my observation that it’s best to arrive at a ‘Clave as early as possible. Tom’s Opening Ceremonies feast is one good reason, another is that the geezers are still able to party and socialize a bit early in the week. By midweek they’re drinking Metamucil instead of scotch and crashing at 9 o’clock. — Ken Fortenberry

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Definitely first class synopsis and commentary Steve.  Hope you will continue the weekly satire.

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Monday April 24th [snip] Meanwhile the Dueling Daves (Tripper and LaCourse) get in an argument about who could wade the best back when they were both healthy enough to actually fish standing up. [snip] And that’s the week that was. Until next time, –Steve

we need a new acronym because ROTFLMBO is and understatement after reading this weeks report.

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Monday April 24th Discussion of a cleaner, gentler version of ROFF continues this week

        oh, hell, man, this was terrific.  but not accurate.  i am the guy in charge of getting the *t-shirt* put together.  my little boy is the designer.  and louie laplac is the hat guy. wayno, always a stickler for the truth.

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oh, hell, man, this was terrific.  but not accurate.  i am the guy in charge of getting the *t-shirt* put together.  my little boy is the designer.  and louie laplac is the hat guy.

Aw, crap. I knew that. My bad. Sorry LaCourse. –Steve

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Aw, crap. I knew that. My bad. Sorry LaCourse.

Here’s a way to help you remember: when you think hat, think head. That leads to head up the ass, which leads to Forty. Since nobody would ever wear a hat designed by Forty, it has to be LaPlac! <g — Charlie…

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Totally freaking hilarious, Steve. You’ve founf your calling. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Totally freaking hilarious, Steve. You’ve founf your calling.

I agree.  I love reading Steve’s new week review.  :-) — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Monday April 24th Discussion of a cleaner, gentler version of ROFF continues this week with topics falling into the following general categories: (1) Newbies are idiots; (2) People who call newbies idiots are idiots (3) People who whine about calling newbies idiots are idiots (4) People who get upset at those who whine about newbies being called idiots are idiots. Meanwhile the Dueling Daves (Tripper and LaCourse) get in an argument about who could wade the best back when they were both healthy enough to actually fish standing up. Vern suggests a new idea for a "telecopying" wading staff that will apparently allow you to send and receive lewd FAXes while fishing instead of having to sit on the cold copy machine at the office. Tuesday April 25th BillyFish exposes fly fishing’s dirty little secret (literally) when he poses the question "how do you go potty when you’re on a float tube in the middle of a lake?" Noted suggestions include: (1) soil yourself and change clothes when you get back to the car–Ken Fortenberry; (2) Wade wet and no one will know–Charlie Choc; (3) use the "Stadium Pal", which consists of three parts: an external catheter worn like a condom, a flexible hose, and a collection bag worn on the inner calf–Frank Reid. Incidentally, the Stadium Pal Web site provides a helpful sizing template you can use to determine what size catheter is the best fit–see http://www.stadiumpal.com/sizer.htm for details. NOTE to Muskie: don’t worry about printing out the template–the 23mm size should give you plenty of room to grow. Wednesday April 26th Political debate of the relative advantages of stiff versus limp resurfaces, with Democrats advocating a stiff leader and Republicans calling for a limp leader, for obvious reasons. The Roadless Initiative issue (aka the Ted Turner plan) is discussed, with several interesting facts being brought to the attention of the group: (1) 98 percent of the earth’s surface is covered in asphalt; (2) animals that have been seen by man are not wild–by definition–so therefore there is no proof that wild animals have ever existed; (3) The West is full of fat people passing themselves off as outdoorsmen. Thursday April 27th Planning for the upcoming Carolina Clave reaches a fever pitch. The Dueling Daves finally call a truce to their wader argument and begin fighting over how long it will take them to get to the Clave. Fortunately for everyone else, the thread quickly morphs into a YAWTDIYSABT (Yet Another What To Do If You See A Bear Thread). With blatant disregard for the feelings of those who won’t be arriving at the clave until later in the week, Tom Brown posts the Clave Kickoff menu, generating a collective outporing of drool not experienced since Greg Pavlov’s last post. With Wayne Harrison–this year’s Carolina Clave Hat Designer–not around for much of the week, speculation abounds that the Clave hat will be adorned with the familiar Born-Again-ROFFian acronym "WWJD", which of course stands for "What Would Jehrke Do?". We’ll have to await his response to see if these rumors are accurate. Friday April 28th Indian Joe has graciously offered to provide the meat for the Clave Chili (aka Chili con Carnage). Apparently he’ll also be providing the chopped tomatoes, left over from the Clave meal he prepared in October. A discussion of Claves for the Next Millenium (aka 2001) begins, with suggestions for California (are there fish left in California?) and Florida (are you allowed to fish at Disney World?) being offered as suggestions. Unfortunately, yours truly cannot in good faith accept the nomination as Florida Clavemeister because, well, I get *really* seasick standing in a boat and I think Steve Spurrier is Satan. Saturday April 29th Someone asks a question about strike indicators and receives plenty of advice, not the least on-topic of which is that you just gotta see the movie "U-571." By now it has become obvious from the repeated trip reports presented by Waldo and Jeffy that they are trying to fish their brains out this week and next, knowing full well that all fish within 150 miles of Boone will be permanently spooked during the week of May 7th due to increase alcohol and urine content in the water during that time. They also must have seen the weather reports for that week which report scattered Fortenberries. And finally, Dave LaCourse shares with ROFF the fact that "you do not need a prostate to pee straight or have sex." Which begs the question: why even bother to get your prostate checked if you can still do those two things? But seriously everyone, if you’re over 40 don’t forget to Turn-and-Cough and Jiffy-Lube once a year. And that’s the week that was. Until next time, –Steve

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I’ll guess I’ll try over here.  I sent this message to the tying group so I apologize for the redundancy.  Are there any web sites known dealing with bass bug manufacture?  I’m looking for something with tying instrutions and pictures.  I’m a begineer with spun hair and need help.  I bought the book by skip morris and am looking for other sources of help. Thanks in advance for any help. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Jorge – there are a few other books you should try.  It’s your lucky day because I just happen to have an extra copy of A. D. Livingston’s "Tying Bugs and Flies for Bass."  If you want to send me an address by e-mail you can have it. Also check your local library to see if they have a copy of: "Bass Bug Fishing" by Joe Brooks or ""Fly Tying and Fly Fishing for Bass and Panfish" by Tom Nixon The Nixon book is the one that all other Bass flyfishing books are measured by and  some good news, I hear it will be re-published in 2000. Good luck, Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector http://members.aol.com/BassBks/index3.html

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One more thing Jorge — William Tapply’s new book "Bass Bug Fishing" is due out now.  You can read a description of it on the Lyons Press web site –  I’ll put the URL here: http://www.lyonspress.com/fish_ff.asp Regards, Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector

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I’ll guess I’ll try over here.  I sent this message to the tying

Have a look at Al Campbells fly-tying course at http://www.flyanglersonline.com  he has a lot of info there about bass bugs hair etc. Click on Fly-tying from the main  menu, and then go to "Intermediate Fly-tying". TL MC

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Thanks Clyde and Mike for help beyond the call of duty.  I’ll look for the book by Tapply.  The web site is great! sincerely, Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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<good story snipped I liked it a lot, Adam. Put me in mind of my favorite Sierra small stream and had me reflexively looking for my hiking boots. thanks, -sid

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<snipped Keep writing stuff like that and you won’t have anyone out to get you.  Well done. Reminded me of a little spot I often go to get away from the hustle and bustle of the tourists. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass.

    (snip)     very well written prose, adam. wayno

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Dear Adam, This is what fly fishing is about. It is not what you catch but where you catch (if you catch). And the more, this is what fly fishing in Continental Europe is about, small streams in Belgium, Northern France and Germany. No huge trout out for your fly (you are more than lucky to catch one of upto 40 cm), but to be away from it all. Marcel From The Netherlands

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass. A spruce forest edges the little meadow in deep blue-green while a sparkling tiny stream draws a shallow meandering line through the alpine valley. Undercut grassy banks border the small riffles below a plunge pool. The solitude is perfect, the setting is awesome and there is room for only one observer at a time. A small stream is enough to re-kindle the fishing flame of one’s youth every time. Creeping or low crawling through the grass, the coolness of the dew soaks into your clothes, but the focus is on a gin clear pool thirty feet ahead. The light fly rod gets caught in the grass, but you casually unhook the tip, careful to clear the rod from the tangle without making sudden movements. Unhooking the fly, stripping out enough line to make a cast to the near side of the pool, you sit up on your feet, crouching to maintain a low profile. Switching two false casts, you shoot a tight loop laying the fly line on the grass with the leader hooking into the pool. The leader is long enough to cross the pool, but you know this and have made a perfect presentation into the tail of the pool in order to not upset the wary brook trout upstream. The cast is unproductive, but that does not slow your racing pulse. A quick pick up and cast again in one smooth movement farther upstream, the caddis mimic alights like a natural. A small piece of the stream bed moves and suddenly the caddis is gone in a swirl. In the same moment, you lift the little fly rod, tightening the line. Telegraphed up the fly line, surges of the brook trout are felt through the light fly rod. Quickly playing the fish to hand, the gemstone colors of the small trout glow brightly. Releasing the trout from the barbless hook completes the act and the scurry for cover is evidence that this one is unharmed. Small stream fly fishing is gaining in popularity. The reasons are easy enough to understand. Solitude in the outdoor is at the top of the list. There are rivers to fish with many anglers if you want to share the experience. Rivers are popular fly fishing destinations and they are reflected on by all forms of the media. Small streams are out of the way, not reported on regularly and introspection, not popularity echoes here. A feeder stream, off the fishing path can provide a afternoon of quiet thoughts while experiencing the outdoors by yourself. There are no television or magazine anglers here, just you and your thoughts among the trees. Outfitting for fly fishing a small stream is a personal choice. A fly rod with a couple of flys in a film canister along with swim trunks makes things simple. On the other hand, a modern fourth generation graphite fly rod with a large arbor reel and specialized mini shooting head fly line can make decisions difficult. Hundreds of stone, caddis, and mayflys in expensive aluminum compartment fly boxes tucked in a ergonomically tailored vest, bulging with the latest gadgetry for the technically minded is another possible choice. Some use a bamboo fly rod made in the early part of the century, possibly handed down in the family. Somewhere in there lies a typical small stream fisher. We are a diverse lot, but we are looking for the same thing, peace in nature’s solitude. Light fly line weights are standard for small streams. Line weights of zero through five are generally considered an advantage when casting for wary trout. The small diameter of a light fly line combined with the light weight reduces the unwanted sight and impact when making a presentation. For small streams, fly sizes are small and wind is usually not a hinderance. A good fly rod choice will be a seven foot three weight. You can give or take a foot in length and a fly line size and still have a good choice for a rod. A small reel without a drag is all that is necessary. Equipment can be as technical or as simple as you want to make it. Fly fishing equipment is a personal choice that should match the fisher and the water being fished. Moving along on a small stream seems to come natural. Most fishing is done in an upstream manner to approach the trout from behind. Trout hold in the current to feed most of the time and their blind spot is to the rear. You need all the help that you can get when the stream is shallow, and the fish are wary of predators. This is because of the lack of deep water and structure to hide in. In order to be successful, a good creeping technique must be developed. Select earth tones for your clothes, a low profile when approaching a productive section, and as few false casts as possible. The better you become, the more your back will hurt! Headhunting, a term that is used for a fly fisher consumed by catching the largest fish does not apply here. Not that a small stream fly angler will turn their back on a large brown trout, that is exactly what some do. This is a technique used to reduce the anglers "presence" to the wary trout when rigging for the situation. The fishing attitude is one of opportunity. If a large trout is caught, it is a gift. The essence is the outdoor experience. To catch a small glistening gem and to give it back to nature, this is what small stream fishing is about. Not a quest for monster trout. On your adventure please remember this. The small stream environment is usually pristine, one single piece of trash is out of place. No impact hiking is a must, and if some trash is found, packing it out is good form. Hiking along, if another angler is present, give him or her a wide berth to minimize the intrusion. Fly fishing small streams is a return to solitude that we all need. A perfect way to enjoy the outdoors. I hope you like my story, adam

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In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass. A spruce forest edges the little meadow in deep blue-green while a sparkling tiny stream draws a shallow meandering line through the alpine valley. Undercut grassy banks border the small riffles below a plunge pool. The solitude is perfect, the setting is awesome and there is room for only one observer at a time. A small stream is enough to re-kindle the fishing flame of one’s youth every time. Creeping or low crawling through the grass, the coolness of the dew soaks into your clothes, but the focus is on a gin clear pool thirty feet ahead. The light fly rod gets caught in the grass, but you casually unhook the tip, careful to clear the rod from the tangle without making sudden movements. Unhooking the fly, stripping out enough line to make a cast to the near side of the pool, you sit up on your feet, crouching to maintain a low profile. Switching two false casts, you shoot a tight loop laying the fly line on the grass with the leader hooking into the pool. The leader is long enough to cross the pool, but you know this and have made a perfect presentation into the tail of the pool in order to not upset the wary brook trout upstream. The cast is unproductive, but that does not slow your racing pulse. A quick pick up and cast again in one smooth movement farther upstream, the caddis mimic alights like a natural. A small piece of the stream bed moves and suddenly the caddis is gone in a swirl. In the same moment, you lift the little fly rod, tightening the line. Telegraphed up the fly line, surges of the brook trout are felt through the light fly rod. Quickly playing the fish to hand, the gemstone colors of the small trout glow brightly. Releasing the trout from the barbless hook completes the act and the scurry for cover is evidence that this one is unharmed. Small stream fly fishing is gaining in popularity. The reasons are easy enough to understand. Solitude in the outdoor is at the top of the list. There are rivers to fish with many anglers if you want to share the experience. Rivers are popular fly fishing destinations and they are reflected on by all forms of the media. Small streams are out of the way, not reported on regularly and introspection, not popularity echoes here. A feeder stream, off the fishing path can provide a afternoon of quiet thoughts while experiencing the outdoors by yourself. There are no television or magazine anglers here, just you and your thoughts among the trees. Outfitting for fly fishing a small stream is a personal choice. A fly rod with a couple of flys in a film canister along with swim trunks makes things simple. On the other hand, a modern fourth generation graphite fly rod with a large arbor reel and specialized mini shooting head fly line can make decisions difficult. Hundreds of stone, caddis, and mayflys in expensive aluminum compartment fly boxes tucked in a ergonomically tailored vest, bulging with the latest gadgetry for the technically minded is another possible choice. Some use a bamboo fly rod made in the early part of the century, possibly handed down in the family. Somewhere in there lies a typical small stream fisher. We are a diverse lot, but we are looking for the same thing, peace in nature’s solitude. Light fly line weights are standard for small streams. Line weights of zero through five are generally considered an advantage when casting for wary trout. The small diameter of a light fly line combined with the light weight reduces the unwanted sight and impact when making a presentation. For small streams, fly sizes are small and wind is usually not a hinderance. A good fly rod choice will be a seven foot three weight. You can give or take a foot in length and a fly line size and still have a good choice for a rod. A small reel without a drag is all that is necessary. Equipment can be as technical or as simple as you want to make it. Fly fishing equipment is a personal choice that should match the fisher and the water being fished. Moving along on a small stream seems to come natural. Most fishing is done in an upstream manner to approach the trout from behind. Trout hold in the current to feed most of the time and their blind spot is to the rear. You need all the help that you can get when the stream is shallow, and the fish are wary of predators. This is because of the lack of deep water and structure to hide in. In order to be successful, a good creeping technique must be developed. Select earth tones for your clothes, a low profile when approaching a productive section, and as few false casts as possible. The better you become, the more your back will hurt! Headhunting, a term that is used for a fly fisher consumed by catching the largest fish does not apply here. Not that a small stream fly angler will turn their back on a large brown trout, that is exactly what some do. This is a technique used to reduce the anglers "presence" to the wary trout when rigging for the situation. The fishing attitude is one of opportunity. If a large trout is caught, it is a gift. The essence is the outdoor experience. To catch a small glistening gem and to give it back to nature, this is what small stream fishing is about. Not a quest for monster trout. On your adventure please remember this. The small stream environment is usually pristine, one single piece of trash is out of place. No impact hiking is a must, and if some trash is found, packing it out is good form. Hiking along, if another angler is present, give him or her a wide berth to minimize the intrusion. Fly fishing small streams is a return to solitude that we all need. A perfect way to enjoy the outdoors. I hope you like my story, adam

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Happy New Year to all my fellow Fisher-people. This light spinning tackle inshore salt water fisherman is ready to learn how to fish with a fly rod. I am looking for a 9ft 8wt fly rod that will be my learning rod. My question then is… How good are Cabela’s saltwater Fly rod blanks? How Bout the SL or FT blanks? How would these compare to the GLoomis GL3 blanks? Or is there a better route to take, maybe a fly rod combo set-up for saltwater. What do I need to look for when picking out a fly reel? Is there one type/model/construction/drag that would be advantageous over another? Thanks, Jay

Jay I can’t talk about Cabela’s, I don’t use their stuff, but I have used a Loomis GL3 8/9 weight 9 foot megataper saltwater rod for the past two years.  Unlike other salties, it has a soft tip that makes it useful for salmon, steelhead, bass, pike etc. (my type of fishing.) The usual salty is a broomstick, designed to put a lot of leverage on a fish.  Generally, they are brute force canons capable of great distances but pathetic to cast with any finesse.  They don’t really begin to load until you’ve got 30-40 foot of line beyond the tiptop. The GL3 8/9 is an exception, capable of delicate short casts, yet can match distance with any of them. Good diameter butt section for strength.  Very light, which is very important at the end of a long day.  At 3.85 ounces, there are 6 and 7 weights that weigh more. I was recently fishing for steelhead with another fishermen who was using an Orvis Trident salty.  He fishes salt frequently, and he made the same comments to me, as we compared rods.  I found his rod difficult to cast well, probably would be very difficult for a beginner.  On the other hand, my GL3 8/9 feels like a nice trout 6 weight, very easy to cast. A good reel match for the GL3 8/9 is the Lamson 3.5.  Tough reel, good drag, balances out the GL3 8/9 beautifully, tons of room for backing. Peter

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Happy New Year to all my fellow Fisher-people. This light spinning tackle inshore salt water fisherman is ready to learn how to fish with a fly rod. I am looking for a 9ft 8wt fly rod that will be my learning rod. My question then is… How good are Cabela’s saltwater Fly rod blanks? How Bout the SL or FT blanks? How would these compare to the GLoomis GL3 blanks? Or is there a better route to take, maybe a fly rod combo set-up for saltwater. What do I need to look for when picking out a fly reel? Is there one type/model/construction/drag that would be advantageous over another? Thanks, Jay

I know I’ll eat some flames for this but I would recommend getting one of the Orvis Clearwater combos.  I think the 8wt goes for about $180.00 and it is ready to fish.  I own one and it casts nice, and can double as a steelhead/salmon rod when you are in the mood. -John —        My Policy is to ALWAYS Blame the Computer

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Anything Cabela’s sells is usually very good and they give you a 100% satisfaction guaranty.   Joel Axelrad

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Happy New Year to all my fellow Fisher-people.  This light spinning tackle inshore salt water fisherman is ready to learn how to fish with a fly rod. I am looking for a 9ft 8wt fly rod that will be my learning rod. My question then is… How good are Cabela’s saltwater Fly rod blanks? How Bout the SL or FT blanks? How would these compare to the GLoomis GL3 blanks? Or is there a better route to take, maybe a fly rod combo set-up for saltwater. What do I need to look for when picking out a fly reel? Is there one type/model/construction/drag that would be advantageous over another? Thanks, Jay

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My step-dad and I are going to Weaverville on Saturday for some steelhead fishing.  Any advice from recent visitors?  Lures, places, approaches? Thanks in advance.  Dave in Anderson, CA

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This is probably late advice, but I’d stay home.   The river is muddy and fishing is slow. Instead of the Trinity, I’d go over to Lewiston Lake and flyfish that area.  Or…take a drive over to the Smith River as it’s still clear enough to fish and, I understand, that the salmon and steelhead are being cooperative.  Four good updated info on the Trinity, I’d call the Eureka Fly Shop at 444-2000 or the Redding Fly Shop (I don’t have their number). Barry Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My step-dad and I are going to Weaverville on Saturday for some steelhead fishing.  Any advice from recent visitors?  Lures, places, approaches? Thanks in advance.  Dave in Anderson, CA

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I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and their approximate costs?  What should I be looking for in my "next step up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) Your advice is appreciated, K.M.H. Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba.

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: I was wondering if those in the Winnipeg vicinity know if either the : Fishing Hole or S.I.R. is (or will have soon) a sale of fly-fishing gear. : I’ve been tying for a couple of years, started (like most) with a typical : pre-packaged all-in-one kit and would now like a better vise. Can those : of you out there with more experience than I reccommend a few vises and : their approximate costs?  What should I be looking for in my "next step : up from the bottom level" vise? (I would also consider mail-order, too!) : Your advice is appreciated, : K.M.H. : Outside the Perimeter, Manitoba. Decide first how much you want to spend. At the $50 level (American), you could choose from the likes of Thompson, Griffin, and like vises. Go to the $100 level and you might want to consider a Renzetti Traveler vise, Or even a Griffin Rotary.  Any "intermediate" level vise will have the quality to last a lifetime for the average tyer. Jon Porter

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I have used all of the mentioned vises, the Thompson "A" is my hands down favorite. It is inexpensive, durable and functional. NO COPIES! I found the Griffin to be a bit awkward. I am currently using a Renzetti presentation, although a nice piece of machinery it rates below the "A" in terms of all around usefulness. All of the above are definatly IMHO. A.J.Thramer

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I bought the Renzetti Traveller used, two years ago as a intermediate upgrade (sound like a computer junkie don’t I) and cannot find any excuse to upgrade further.  The rotary feature is the key to "intermediate" tying.  I am not a production tyer though.   jg

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J.J., See my post about an new improvement to the Traveler. Otherwise, I agree with you except that after I tied some flies on the Renzetti Master, I came to the conclusion that if God tied flies here on Earth, he would tie with the Master (naturally!).

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Hi,   Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod. Thanks, Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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  Does anyone have any information on an electric fly reel for a physically challanged flyfisher? I’ve seen ocean reels, but nothing that will balance on a 5wt rod.

Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.

I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by a company called Martin. Darryl Hayashida

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Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order nowadays.

I have on old automatic reel made by Perrine that my father gave to me. He used it when he was little but he didn’t fly fish a lot.  It is in very good condition.   -Russell

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: Clockwork "automatic" reels were made 1955-75 by several firms, including : Scientific Anglers.  It may be hard to find one in good working order : nowadays. : I just saw a new automatic reel on the shelf in Sears yesterday. Made by : a company called Martin. : Darryl Hayashida There are still a couple of models of automatic fly reels around. Manufacturers include Martin, Perrine and Pflueger. Pflueger’s model is actually a *new* one, introduced only in the last year or two. Cabela’s, about US$25. These reels are *not* the best; drag increases unbelievably fast if you get a fish big enough to take line, and capacity is limited (usually the fly line and about 25 yards of backing). Also, do not attempt to dismantle one of these yourself; if you’ve ever had the recoil starter on an outboard motor explode into a giant tangle of spring steel, you’ll get an idea of what can happen. On the other hand, if you’ve only got one functioning hand, these reels allow you to fish again. Pretty decent trade-off. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

  Actually, those fish you were seeing were probably smallies, cause I don’t think the Huron is clear or cool enough to sustain trout.

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

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You are quite right Jay.  Those were smallmouth bass and the water is too warm to support trout.  I checked with the DNR and learned that the 5 mile stretch of the Huron River below Dexter is catch and release.  This has helped to improve the smallmouth population.  According to the DNR, they shock the river each spring for reasearch.  They have found smallies up to 21 inches along with rock bass, creek chubs and hog suckers.  In addition, I learned that they stock Proud Lake (within an hour of Detroit) with rainbows and browns.

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: Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly : fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No : more. : As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of : Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which : are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I : think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. There are scores of quality fly fishing areas within an hour’s drive…unless you’re the sort who thinks ‘quality’ necessarily implies ‘trout’ I know of a number of great bluegill spots within 30 minutes of home, and as one fisherman I met put it, bluegills are ‘gram for gram, the fightingest fish there are!" And there are plenty of bass, pike, carp and many other species that are great fun on a fly, all close enough for after work fishing. Matter of fact, tonight a friend (who belongs to a very nice trout club with a private stream) and I are off to one of our favorite ponds to match wits with the wiley bluegill- and it’s only 20 minutes from home. –mike

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. — Dasu Baregala 123 E 8th St Moscow ID 83843-3009 (208) 883 – 9538

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No

more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

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Dear Casters  May 28 95 Hi my name is Thomas Maclean and I own Miramichi Four Season Outfitters Inc , in New Brunswick Canada . I would like to let you know that the bright Atlantic salmon runs are starting again for another year and all is look towards a very good season . This year I purchased a new piece of property on the North West Miramichi River so I now have more to offer you . The bright season opens on June 8 th and I am now booking one week fishing trips for $ 1050.00 Canadian plus taxes provincial 11 % and Fed Gst 7 %  .  This includes all meals , room full bath , transportation , and I can supply equipment and instruction to the new comer , I look forward to hearing from you , bye for now . Respectfully Thomas Miramichi Four Season Outfitters Inc RR # 2 Miramichi City  Box 705 E1V-3L9 New Brunswick Canada Celluar 1-506-622-0089  24 hour a day

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Hi my name is Thomas Maclean and I own Miramichi Four Season Outfitters Inc , . . . season opens on June 8 th and I am now booking one week fishing trips for $ 1050.00 Canadian plus taxes provincial 11 % and Fed Gst 7 %  .  This includes all meals , room full bath , transportation , and I can supply

Does this price include guide services (compulsory in New Brunswick for non-residents)? —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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