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Uh…Dave? Better get another "moniker" Dave M is already taken–by me   The real Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have a look at http://www.ratfish.com/usual   According to Fran Betters who developed the USUAL it should be fished out as a dry and retreived as a wet using short but rapid retrieve. Red or orange thred must be used and keep the dubbing sparse. Good luck Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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did the trout do this after a long drift by the dry, or (almost) immediately after the fly hit the water?  I would guess the latter, because that initial disturbance gets transmitted quite a long distance, and if the fish is keyed on that, then they will chase…

It was a fairly long drift. It was not as I placed the fly on the water. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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thanks!  nice description of patterns… Rob –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen. Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

did the trout do this after a long drift by the dry, or (almost) immediately after the fly hit the water?  I would guess the latter, because that initial disturbance gets transmitted quite a long distance, and if the fish is keyed on that, then they will chase… Just curious… — Rob

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A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen. Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat.

There are exceptions to most rules, and I too have found that now and then a trout will hunt down a floating dun or sedge;  it is generally the surface disturbance that alerts the trout to the remote  insect’s presence, and that is why we drag our sedges to provoke a response ~ the induced take.  You mention a parachute hopper; this fly is much more visible to a trout than a regular dry fly ~ parachuted flies have a greater portion of fly that is fished subsurface than that of standard hackled dries. During the E. danica hatch, it is surprising how many duns manage to inadvertantly evade a trout when the nymphal shuck  has just been removed. The trout usually go for the shuck in a violent rise, and the floating dun is left to make his leisurely escape.  I assume that  the trout saw the shuck a lot more clearly than the floating dun (as the shuck is subsurface), and went for that instead of the real bit of ephemeral protein. However,  given that the floating natural fly is apt to make good his airborne escape, the trout are thus less inclined to waste a journey to a morcel that may escape his jaws.  With a nymph such as the PT (which imitates the nymph in the later instars as opposed to a nymph in its hatching to dun phase) the trout knows that he has plenty of time to chase down and eat the hapless nymph:  the snack is more or less guaranteed (unless another trout gets to the nymph first)  and the journey after it is well worth it indeed.   That is why when fishing deep nymphs such as the PT, the takes are a lot less violent and there is very little water disturbance (boils & bulges) to alert the angler.  This is where the bite indicator, or my  preferred  greased leader comes into its own. The trout don’t really need to rush to the nymph, they merely cruise it down. I find that trout are more inclined to hunt the PT nymph down over the GRHE / rabbit fur nymph.  I reckon that this is due to the trout believing that the GRHE nymph is soon to hatch out and fly off, and so he is more cautious with distance  ,  but at closer distances the trout fairly whallops the GRHE, seemingly in great haste to secure his meal.  The hook holds of the two flies also seem to bear this theory out too,  as the PT is an apex of the jaw snagger, whereas the GRHE is a scissor snagger much like that of a dry fly.  I spy rises to my GRHEs by the disturbances in the water, or the golden flash as the trout rapidly turns after seizing the fly.  In reflected light and in  turbulent water, I use the greased leader to detect bites with the GRHE / rabbit fur nymph, as the other methods are more difficult to practice in these situations.  Obviously,  when the fly is less than 12 " deep,  the surface splash of the diving trout is enough to know when to lift the rod or pull in the line to set the hook. (for utter butchery on a stream you can use an E. danica nymph,  but the fun of using it is more or less inversely proportional to the number of fish that you catch whilst using it in late May) Regards, Michael.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This isn’t correct. The dryfly floating outside of the trout’s window will still indent the surface film and make an impression in the "mirrored" part of the trout’s field of view. Trout do recognise that food items do this and it is one of the most important factors to be considered when designing/tying dryflies. This is often what the trout will come to and then either take or refuse once the fly is in full view. The field of view for a trout to detect a nymph or a dryfly is virtually the same. I have had trout come over 12 feet for large terrestrials. It is also depth dependant in that the deeper the fish lies the larger its window of full view.

You are correct in the depth enlarging the window issue,  but I am am right in saying that the sunk fly is *vastly* more visible than the floating fly. I have done a lot of diving and snorkelling and have seen this effect for myself.

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Brian Nelson writes: Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

I’ve seen the same thing happen with Landlocked Salmon and Brookies.  I’ve had a Brookie swim forward three or so feet to take a size 20 Jail Bird floating midge. Dave

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This isn’t correct. The dryfly floating outside of the trout’s window will still indent the surface film and make an impression in the "mirrored" part of the trout’s field of view. Trout do recognise that food items do this and it is one of the most important factors to be considered when designing/tying dryflies. This is often what the trout will come to and then either take or refuse once the fly is in full view. The field of view for a trout to detect a nymph or a dryfly is virtually the same. I have had trout come over 12 feet for large terrestrials. It is also depth dependant in that the deeper the fish lies the larger its window of full view. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rob L writes: (snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly. They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve. While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling? The subsurface fly is a lot more visible to the trout than one floating on the surface.  With a dry fly, the trout’s window of observation is very limited due to the reflective nature of the surface of the water (it works both sides of the water too, and just as we see sky and so on reflected off the surface, the trout & other fish see reflected riverbed at angles beyond the refraction / reflection limit).  This aspect of visibility to the trout is one reason why I really like to use the nymph over the dry fly in a lot of places. A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.  Parachute flies and Klinkhamers do manage to be seen better than most dryflies though,  and that is because part of the fly has managed to penetrate the surface tension and become more visible to the trout. Regards, Mike.

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Have a look at http://www.ratfish.com/usual   According to Fran Betters who developed the USUAL it should be fished out as a dry and retreived as a wet using short but rapid retrieve. Red or orange thred must be used and keep the dubbing sparse. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.

Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows….. I’ll add a brown to the list, caught on a Royal Wulff, tho I confess it was more by accident than intent.

Oh, I’ve caught plenty of the others this way, but brookies definitely fall prey more often……probably because they’re easier anyway. I rarely use this method deliberately with the intent of catching more fish. Frankly, it isn’t the most interesting way to catch fish.  It is more often a matter of letting the fly dangle rather than reeling up all the line only to have to strip it off again when it’s my turn to fish.  This is especially true in those situations when the fish are feeding aggressively.  I’ve often found myself in situations where a partner will get a fish on while I’m still releasing one, and vice versa…..sometimes it isn’t worth the time to put the line back on the reel. Wolfgang

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I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:   Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840   Size 12 to 22   Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray   Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)   Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)    Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis)   The only way to fish it "wrong" is to leave it in your flybox. Enjoy HINT: Use a "Usual" as your point fly–tie in 18 inches of flourocarbon at the bend of the hook–and hang a LaFontaine Deep Sparkle Pupa off it. Deadly effective.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. I’ve used this method successfully with dozens of patterns while watching a partner fish.  I typically just leave the bug in the water with a bunch of line out while watching.  Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..don’t really know about cutthroat. Wolfgang

well it’s officially in my "go to" list of techniques.  In my case last week, it did work on small browns…which are probably as aggressive as brookies in any event. I was swinging emergers successfully, and then saw a fish rising…switched to the EHC dry, missed a strike, then let it swing…it dove on the swing, and bang…fish on.  Did that for another half an hour or so successfully until I moved on. — Rob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rob L writes: (snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly.  They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve. While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling?

The subsurface fly is a lot more visible to the trout than one floating on the surface.  With a dry fly, the trout’s window of observation is very limited due to the reflective nature of the surface of the water (it works both sides of the water too, and just as we see sky and so on reflected off the surface, the trout & other fish see reflected riverbed at angles beyond the refraction / reflection limit).  This aspect of visibility to the trout is one reason why I really like to use the nymph over the dry fly in a lot of places. A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.  Parachute flies and Klinkhamers do manage to be seen better than most dryflies though,  and that is because part of the fly has managed to penetrate the surface tension and become more visible to the trout. Regards, Mike.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:  Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840  Size 12 to 22  Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray  Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)  Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)   Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis) Try this: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/intermediate/part28.html Seems pretty easy, even to me. riverman

thanks to both for the pointer…definitely will try it. just tied up a couple of deep sparkle caddis pupa yesterday… now for "the usual" Rob

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I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:  Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840  Size 12 to 22  Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray  Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)  Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)   Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis)

Try this: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/intermediate/part28.html Seems pretty easy, even to me. riverman

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Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid

Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great.

I’ve used this method successfully with dozens of patterns while watching a partner fish.  I typically just leave the bug in the water with a bunch of line out while watching.  Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..don’t really know about cutthroat. Wolfgang

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Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..

I’ll add a brown to the list, caught on a Royal Wulff, tho I confess it was more by accident than intent. Joe F.

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Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid

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Hi Rob, Maybe they were taking it for an emerging insect? caddis? Could be very hungry fish or just lots of bugs moving at this time of year? Sometimes a twitched or skated dry will would well too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

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I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

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Rob L writes:

(snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts?

This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly.  They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve.  While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling? Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Casting across, mending the line as it swings and letting it hang for awhile is classic wet fly technique which you have just rediscovered. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Your dragging dry had become an emerger struggling to get to the surface (i.e. trout snack food.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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George Personally, I’m not interested in seeing his fly even from a distant.  Like to see the flly fishing lure he tied though.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – DAVE MARTEL Show off! Only if we get to see a close up picture of his fly.

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Lou, did you also have shoes worn so thin that you could step on a time and tell whether it was heads or tails?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You had buggies, boots, socks and pen knifes?  I had to walk to school for 2 miles and it was uphill both ways.  Was it the same for you?  Our town was so poor we had to take turns being the village idiot. Lou Gee Dad, I love it when you talk about the olden days. …anytime son…say, did I ever tell you about the time at age7 when I had to walk to school in a raging blizzard because our horse drawn school buggy blew a buggy wheel?  No?  And all this wearing my knee length *knickers, argyle knee socks and little boots with a knife pocket on the side. Damn, them were the good old days! Gramps *and these were corduroy so that when you walked they would go  whip whip whip whip…..!

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Ah, what is the prize for the procrastinator extraordinaire?  You will have them just before Midnight on the day they be due…as is my taxes regardless of the amount of the return. Chris Fanning — I have a LP siding claim awarded in 1998, just got to send it in for the $$$$

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Sparkle Caddises. Hans – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – DAVE MARTEL Ladies and gentleman, Dave Martel is first in with his GFS2002 box of flies, and a finer hatch of Sparkle Caddises (Caddi?) I have never seen. This is like one of those "unadvertised specials" you occasionally see, because for being first Dave will receive a little something extra in his return box of flies. Not much mind you, but something he can probably use at his flytying table. Nice going Dave, and nice flies. All right, Martel, that does it!  You promised if I tied your flies for you, you wouldn’t send them in until I finished my own as well.  Sheesh. JR

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Lou, did you also have shoes worn so thin that you could step on a time and tell whether it was heads or tails? You had buggies, boots, socks and pen knifes?  I had to walk to school for 2 miles and it was uphill both ways.  Was it the same for you?  Our town was so poor we had to take turns being the village idiot. Lou

Sheesh!  First liar ain’t got a chance. :-/ Frank (horseapples in Elkhart) Church

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Ah, what is the prize for the procrastinator extraordinaire?  You will have them just before Midnight on the day they be due…as is my taxes regardless of the amount of the return.

Um, how about a stool sample from Guts catbox?    :-)  :-) BTW, this cat has the prettiest, silkiest and softest belly hair of any cat I’ver ever had, there ought to be something I can use it for..?? Frank (I love my pussy) Church

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Guys;   Actually–I do clap erasers–I’m a teacher–and yes–I DID have book reports in before they were due–you guys got me pegged pretty well.

I was always in favor of the all nighter. 0 out of 40 for me. Maybe I’ll decide what to tie sometime soon. Willi

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SNIP free time.  :-) Joe F. (pretty well on pace with 1 1/45 fly per day)

I was on track until I figured out that I had the deer hair in backwards (sorry Joe.) Jeff

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You had buggies, boots, socks and pen knifes?  I had to walk to school for 2 miles and it was uphill both ways.  Was it the same for you?  Our town was so poor we had to take turns being the village idiot. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee Dad, I love it when you talk about the olden days. …anytime son…say, did I ever tell you about the time at age7 when I had to walk to school in a raging blizzard because our horse drawn school buggy blew a buggy wheel?  No?  And all this wearing my knee length *knickers, argyle knee socks and little boots with a knife pocket on the side.  Damn, them were the good old days! Gramps *and these were corduroy so that when you walked they would go  whip whip whip whip…..!

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DAVE MARTEL Ladies and gentleman, Dave Martel is first in with his GFS2002 box of flies,

Warmest congratulations David. George Gehrke

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DAVE MARTEL

Show off!

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Dave was probably one of those annoying kids in grade school who turned in his book reports a week before they were due!

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DAVE MARTEL Show off!

Only if we get to see a close up picture of his fly.

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DAVE MARTEL Ladies and gentleman, Dave Martel is first in with his GFS2002 box of flies, and a finer hatch of Sparkle Caddises (Caddi?) I have never seen. This is like one of those "unadvertised specials" you occasionally see, because for being first Dave will receive a little something extra in his return box of flies. Not much mind you, but something he can probably use at his flytying table. Nice going Dave, and nice flies.

All right, Martel, that does it!  You promised if I tied your flies for you, you wouldn’t send them in until I finished my own as well.  Sheesh.   JR

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Dave was probably one of those annoying kids in grade school who turned in his book reports a week before they were due!

……and volunteered to clean the blackboard *and* clap the erasers! 24 down 17 to go Swapmeister

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Guys;   Actually–I do clap erasers–I’m a teacher–and yes–I DID have book reports in before they were due–you guys got me pegged pretty well.   Had to get these in quickly–I’m in several other swaps right now–and I didn’t want to be the guy with egg all over my face for forgetting to get them in.   I tie flies for relaxation–and I gotta tell you–some days after teaching rowdy 8th graders all day–I *need* to tie flies to relax. Have a great day, everybody.   Dave M

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Only if we get to see a close up picture of his fly.

I KNEW he was from the other team….

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Gee Dad, I love it when you talk about the olden days. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ……and volunteered to clean the blackboard *and* clap the erasers! Swapmeister

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Dave was probably one of those annoying kids in grade school who turned in his book reports a week before they were due! ……and volunteered to clean the blackboard *and* clap the erasers! 24 down 17 to go Swapmeister

chastened in Elkhart

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  I tie flies for relaxation–and I gotta tell you–some days after teaching rowdy 8th graders all day–I *need* to tie flies to relax. Have a great day, everybody.

Good Lord — I have to relax after teaching college students for three hours a day.  If I was teaching eighth graders, I would be relaxing with a

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Dumb question: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above. Bill

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Bill Smith" asks: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above.

Get a 1" long section of clear hose, slice it, place it on the rail or whatever and mount the 1" stainless flagpole atop it. -Bruce

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Dumb question: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above.

That’s gonna be a special order item. It’ll be cheaper to buy a larger flag pole. And while we’re on the subject of flags: The biggest mistake most people make is under-flagging their boats. The correct size flag is 1" of fly (length of the stripes) to 1′ of boat length. Since flags only come in 18" x 30", 24" x 36" etc…if your boat length falls ANYwhere in the middle, go UP to the next larger size, not down to the smaller one. IOW, the correct flag size for my 32′ boat is 24" x 36", not 18 x 30. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dumb question: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above. That’s gonna be a special order item. It’ll be cheaper to buy a larger flag pole. And while we’re on the subject of flags: The biggest mistake most people make is under-flagging their boats. The correct size flag is 1" of fly (length of the stripes) to 1′ of boat length. Since flags only come in 18" x 30", 24" x 36" etc…if your boat length falls ANYwhere in the middle, go UP to the next larger size, not down to the smaller one. IOW, the correct flag size for my 32′ boat is 24" x 36", not 18 x 30. Peggie Bill

Hmmmm. Maybe I need a stars and stripes fishing kite… — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - I’d love to, but I’m teaching my parrot to yodel.

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Hi, A different way to get those strippers! Eh! — Regards and God Speed, Gary Gary W. Sandvik 309-676-0224 (fax)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dumb question: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above. That’s gonna be a special order item. It’ll be cheaper to buy a larger flag pole. And while we’re on the subject of flags: The biggest mistake most people make is under-flagging their boats. The correct size flag is 1" of fly (length of the stripes) to 1′ of boat length. Since flags only come in 18" x 30", 24" x 36" etc…if your boat length falls ANYwhere in the middle, go UP to the next larger size, not down to the smaller one. IOW, the correct flag size for my 32′ boat is 24" x 36", not 18 x 30. Peggie Bill Hmmmm. Maybe I need a stars and stripes fishing kite… — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - I’d love to, but I’m teaching my parrot to yodel.

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Stripers! Eh! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, A different way to get those strippers! Eh! — Regards and God Speed, Gary Gary W. Sandvik 309-676-0224 (fax) Dumb question: Does anyone know where I can find stainless steel flagpole mounts in 3/4" dia.?  I can only find stainless in 1" and above. That’s gonna be a special order item. It’ll be cheaper to buy a larger flag pole. And while we’re on the subject of flags: The biggest mistake most people make is under-flagging their boats. The correct size flag is 1" of fly (length of the stripes) to 1′ of boat length. Since flags only come in 18" x 30", 24" x 36" etc…if your boat length falls ANYwhere in the middle, go UP to the next larger size, not down to the smaller one. IOW, the correct flag size for my 32′ boat is 24" x 36", not 18 x 30. Peggie Bill Hmmmm. Maybe I need a stars and stripes fishing kite… — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - I’d love to, but I’m teaching my parrot to yodel.

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Hi, A different way to get those strippers! Eh! — Regards and God Speed, Gary

Strippers are easy to get; stripers are more difficult.

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

I think you’ll have your best luck in the Wawa.

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa?

Yes. Tom Burczyk

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says… Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

It’s been awhile since my last visit, but I’ve caught some nice fish on the Batchawana(sp) river.

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Thanks in advance Brian

What time of year? The first two weeks in August

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

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I am going on a business trip to Sacramento and am wondering if there are places nearby where I can slip away for some trout fly fishing?

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I am going on a business trip to Sacramento and am wondering if there are places nearby where I can slip away for some trout fly fishing?

Lots of them, most will require some driving.  Call Alan Barnard or Bill Kiene at Kiene’s fly shop in Sacramento.  They will treat you right and honest;   1 800 4000 FLY. — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

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There is a new WWW site for Flyfishing. Try it and send comments. http://stenar.arnes.si/guest/ljzavodrib6/ Bojan IVANCIC Ljubljana, SLOVENIA

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IVANCIC) writes: There is a new WWW site for Flyfishing. Try it and send comments. http://stenar.arnes.si/guest/ljzavodrib6/ Bojan IVANCIC Ljubljana, SLOVENIA

Bojan, The web site looks real  nice. But you need some pictures of those big fat rainbows in the Krka River. You know, all the one’s I left behind. <G I demand a rematch! <G A quick note to everyone else, Slovenia is a great ff country and is full of some really nice people too. A very scenic place. The information in Gary Soucie’s book, "Traveling with Fly Rod and Reel" is mostly out of date as far as where to stay etc. Lots of the better hotels are now owned or operated by western companies and the rates are up by a huge factor. Still some good local bargain places if you look. Many of the streams are caulkstreams and the fish grow big and fat. Take a strong 6 wt or better rod and leave your 6X tippet material behind, if any of you ever get to go. Cost of fishing can be seem to be high for Americans but the fishing is very very good. Don Burns PS – The local beer goes down easily too.

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A wealth of talent will be seen at this show! Lefty Kreh, Flip Pallot, Ernie Schweibert, Gary LaFontaine,  Chico Fernandez, Jack Dennis, Nick Curcione, Poul Jorgensen, Bob Popovics, Bob Clouser, Page Rogers, Mike Lawson, Joe Messinger, Lou Tabory, Ed Jaworowski & A.K. Best! All seminars are free! Two huge casting ponds, one of which is surrounded by manufacturers, and you can demo their equipment. 3 theaters include 2 for seminars, one for tying seminars. Nearly 200 lodges, guides, artists, shops, clubs, manufacturers, conservations groups, boat manufacturers and a host of other fly fishing related businesses. Admission is $10.00. For more details call 908 892-1400. This show is located at The Meadowlands Exposition Center in Secaucus, New Jersey. February 21,22,23,1997  Call for directions/hotel info, as New Jersey is tricky!

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Let’s say you just bought 100 of the prettiest acres ever put up for sale…

Hello Sandy, Give up on the scheme and settle in for the long haul. You should have more than a hundred acres if you want to start a subdivision. Or make your subdivision somewhere where you’re not ruining what you came for, like Billings. Let the beavers have the run of the place.  Beavers are more desireable than Californians.  It will be more valuable as a natural place.  If you don’t subdivide and develop it, we Californians will pay you decent money to fish it for a day or two and then best of all we will go home.   If you let me fish it free next summer I’ll make you a painting of it. I’ll leave out the houses and I can leave out the lake too if you wish. Mark Vinsel Oakland, CA http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

Whoa! I think the ref tossed a flag on that remark… (At this rate, it’s gonna be a  l o n g  winter! ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FLY FISHING AND EVEN FLY TYING GROUP and all I see is nonsense other than what is supposed to be discussed here. Beaver dubbing is used to make a great pattern called the Adams.  It is also (grey and very fine and it dubs terrifically) used in gray nymphs and a varied number of flies well worth everyone’s attention. Beaver is not tough to eat if you pat it first. (Actually, par-boil) George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Lets get back to fly fishing!

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…looks like it has great potential as a fly fishing stream.  Do you know where it is? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Nice cuts and one can actually walk away from the roads. Moose, Elk, Deer and an occasional bear (grizzly) pask

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My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. Thanks in advance,         EMM — Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building                                           Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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I do not recall a fly shop in town.  However, I would call Scott Fly Rods, who are now located in that town and ask them for either guides or info. They may have a B&B destination place in the area.  I thought I recalled seeing a flyer for that. Hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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edwin- she can go to Olympic Sports (which in 91-92 timeframe sold Orvis equip.). typically at this time of year the run off is still pretty high in the San Miguel River (which runs through town and down valley). The river also experiences a huge impact thbluegrass weekend due to a 1000% increase in the population fo telluride during the festival. the fishing in the san miguel is a lot of fun, and olympic sports should be able to give her a good fly selection (and a guide if necessary). she could also check out alta, trout, or priest lakes which are in the area. -ted

: My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for : the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is : there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help : with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies : can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. : Thanks in advance, :       EMM : — : Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering : phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories : fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building :                                         Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 : Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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My brothers and I are planning a trip to Wyoming for two days of guided fishing around the Cody area in late April.  As yet, we haven’t planned for the rest of the week.  Does anyone have suggestions for good fishing, accomodations, etc., in other areas of the state.  Thanks for the help. Rob Welch

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My brothers and I are planning a trip to Wyoming for two days of guided fishing around the Cody area in late April.  As yet, we haven’t planned for the rest of the week.  Does anyone have suggestions for good fishing, accomodations, etc., in other areas of the state.  Thanks for the help

HI Rob, April is very early to be fly-fishing in the Cody area.   The only fishing that I know around Cody open that early are the Shoshone river below the Buffalo Bill dam or Newton lake out north of town.  The snow will be melting in the mountains and most of the rivers (Southfork Shoshone, Northfork Shoshone, Clark’s Fork, Sunlight) will be in the runoff mode.   You can check with Tim Wade at the North Fork Anglers to check on what will be good at that particular time. Bassflyfis/AOL Nothing perfect lasts forever.  Except in our memories. (A River Runs Through It.)

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