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My only experiece with spawners has involved brookies. I have , for many years, observed them spawning. Many fall fishing trips have turned into fish watching expeditions. One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. When the Alpha male leaves the redd, a bunch of smaller males will rush in and attempt to fertilize the eggs, only to be violently chased out when the big guy returns. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond. Brookies will occassionally "take a break" from the redd, and feed for a while in the adjacent area. This "break" can last from a few minutes to over an hour. Brookies do not always form redds from scratch, but will utilize a gravel area that is kept clean by streamflow. Don’t know if this adds anything to the discussion, but thought I’d throw it in. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Fishing on the redds, eh? There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur?

Not if the little old lady is Marge Shott. FiddleAway

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My only experiece with spawners has involved brookies. I have , for many years, observed them spawning. Many fall fishing trips have turned into fish watching expeditions. One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. When the Alpha male leaves the redd, a bunch of smaller males will rush in and attempt to fertilize the eggs, only to be violently chased out when the big guy returns. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond.

Geez. All this time I thought I was the only unethical SOB on ROFF who fished on redds.

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One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond.

The same is very true of salmon apparently and as a result, that is exactly the behavior the guide was targeting with the ultra-light, ultra-small natural approach.  The trick is to learn the feel of the fly being sucked in and responding with a very quick, but relatively light hook set (the guide referred to it as a "pre-set"), before the fish spits it out again.  Once you get that feel dialed it is amazingly repetitive.  We were disproportionately successful to those fishing nearby for two days by nearly 4 or 5 to one.  That seemed to hold true for others we encountered in the fly shops and around town, as well.  What others were describing as slow days on the river were some of the most successful days of fishing in my life. I am now a firm convert to this method, where applicable. TL Zippy

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Geez. All this time I thought I was the only unethical SOB on ROFF who fished on redds.

Never said I fished ‘em…only observed.{:-) Actually, I used to fish redds, but gave it up after It finally dawned on me that the fish would take just about anything, and were damn near impossible to spook. They’d scatter, but be back on the redd within minutes. Haven’t been able to spy on the little buggers this fall as the prime viewing area has been placed off limits due to the threat of terrorist activity. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas? I’ve been trying to find time to put together a trip report on the Salmon River for a month now, but it involved a local guide teaching me a new way (new to me, at least) of targeting salmon.  It centered around small…very small…seemingly improbably small….naturals on frightfully light tippets.  It was outstandingly successful…so much so, that under similar circumstances, I would be hard pressed not to use his method as the "go to" approach. Anyhow, his theory centered around not only a "housekeeping" attitude, but a general territorial defense response, especially for competing males. Got to find a few minutes to cobble that TR together for contribution…. TL, Zippy

Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT

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There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur?

christmas island is a non sequi-tour?  how much does it cost? jeff (who’s taken too many sequi-tours)

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Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT

I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy

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Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy

Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT

the best solution for large foul hooked fish is to simply point the rod at the fish and break it off.  my opinion is that a fly stuck on a fish causes less stress than the longer landing time required for foul hooked fish (especially those hooked on the back or the tail).  since in most places one must release any foul hooked fish, this is my preference with the accidental foul hooked fish. chris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT the best solution for large foul hooked fish is to simply point the rod at the fish and break it off.  my opinion is that a fly stuck on a fish causes less stress than the longer landing time required for foul hooked fish (especially those hooked on the back or the tail).  since in most places one must release any foul hooked fish, this is my preference with the accidental foul hooked fish. chris

Hi Chris  I  do  folow this practice, tho sometimes it s 10 mins into the fight and about 100 yards  down river…..  MT

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Fishing on the redds, eh? There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island.

Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur? Tell here there are no redds at Christmas Island.

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Fishing on the redds, eh?

There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. — Ken Fortenberry

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The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas?

I’ve been trying to find time to put together a trip report on the Salmon River for a month now, but it involved a local guide teaching me a new way (new to me, at least) of targeting salmon.  It centered around small…very small…seemingly improbably small….naturals on frightfully light tippets.  It was outstandingly successful…so much so, that under similar circumstances, I would be hard pressed not to use his method as the "go to" approach. Anyhow, his theory centered around not only a "housekeeping" attitude, but a general territorial defense response, especially for competing males. Got to find a few minutes to cobble that TR together for contribution…. TL, Zippy

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  I was fishing in Oswego  for trout  coming in  from the lake. Some nice  rainbows, steel head and Browns  had been taken that day. Most of the  fisherman were using  egg patterns or egg sacks. Deciding something different might work I tried  a  Size 8 stone fly nymph.  The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas?  MT

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  I was fishing in Oswego  for trout  coming in  from the lake. Some nice  rainbows, steel head and Browns  had been taken that day. Most of the  fisherman were using  egg patterns or egg sacks. Deciding something different might work I tried  a  Size 8 stone fly nymph.  The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

    Being a pregnant female, she probably mistook it for chocolate.

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… landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

Housekeeping. I caught Muskegon steelhead the same way. They don’t eat, of course, but they will clear insects out of their redds. — Ken Fortenberry

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… landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas? Housekeeping. I caught Muskegon steelhead the same way. They don’t eat, of course, but they will clear insects out of their redds.

Fishing on the redds, eh?

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 The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

I dunno, but up there I really try to avoid egg patterns unless I’m desperate.   Lots of nymph patterns work well, & I saw a guy last year catch about a 20-pounder on a GR Hare’s Ear.  FWIW Joe F.

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I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  

This is one time where a thicker or stiffer tippet would be better. Willi

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I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  It seems to be that even though you’ve increased your tippet strength, you still have to match the tippet to the size fly you are casting.  In essence you still need to match DIAMETER with you fly size.  I’ve seen it alot where people insist on matching the BREAKING STRENGTH to the fly size which results in the aforementioned twisting.

Really?  That’s nutty.  Absolutely – diameter (translating into a certain stiffness and/or a certain mass of line) is what matters because that’s what determines how the fly will be cast and presented. Regards, Jeff

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  It seems to be that even though you’ve increased your tippet strength, you still have to match the tippet to the size fly you are casting.  In essence you still need to match DIAMETER with you fly size.  I’ve seen it alot where people insist on matching the BREAKING STRENGTH to the fly size which results in the aforementioned twisting. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

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Small diameter is not always desirable.

Why not?  By "small diameter", what we really mean is "small diameter relative to its strength".  So if you want a bigger diameter, you could still use "small diameter for its strength", and then a bigger diameter in that brand, and you’ll have the diameter you want but stronger than the other brand. In my experience, Maxima tippet consistently runs about one mil larger than marked.

More like .002 in my experience! Nevertheless, it is an excellent tippet material because it handles abuse much better than some with better specs.

Orvis Super Strong is damn strong, though.  Or damn thin, depending on how you look at it eh? Regards, Jeff

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

If it is stiffer it might interfere with fly presentation. Peter G. Aitken

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Hello,    As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets?

There is a lot of development of monofilament going on with things like copolymers etc. The main effect is that of getting more breaking strength for the same diameter. In addition, the stiffness and abrasion reisitance and knot strength may be affected. Nevertheless, there is no law to prevent you from using any material you want. Small diameter is not always desirable. In my experience, Maxima tippet tconsistently runs about one mil larger than marked. Even so, the strength for a given marked diameter runs less than on other tippet such as Dai-Riki. Nevertheless, it is an excellent tippet material because it handles abuse much better than some with better specs. Bill

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Leader and tippet material is just the same as ordinary Nylon monofilament fishing line.  Some prefer certain types of Nylon, "soft or hard" for instance which makes the leader/tippet, "stiff or limp".    Basically any fishing line will do however. Many people buy spools of the line they like and make up their own leaders and tippets from it.    If you are just starting out, I would recommend buying knotless tapered leaders from your local tackle shop, and a couple of spools of tippet material ( ordinary line ) in the diameters you require. You can of course learn to tie up your own leaders immediately, it is not hard to do. Have a look at   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2/ and   http://globalflyfisher.com Both of these sites have good info on  leaders . TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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   As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets?

You can use it.  It should just be a good match with the end of the leader you’re using and match your fly.  The stiffnes of the line is also a factor. The only problem is that the diameter listed might not be correct.  Even with "official" tippet material where the diameter is usually more important than the breaking strength, it is often off.  But probably not so much that it will make a huge difference.  .010 is also called 1X, which is a bit on the heavy side for a lot of trout flies – I was wondering what fly you’re using. Regards, Jeff

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Bonjour, You can use regular fishing line of the correct diameter. The most important in leader and tippet is to tye good knots as a bad knot will brake really easily. The most important in Nylon is to avoid using an too old one. Then remember that from a "regular" fishing line to another one you have differences in coating and other chemical treatements wich make a Nylon softer or not from another one. You have to know what you are searching for, considering lenght of your tippet, size of the fly, wet or dry… Philippe Pacific Angling on Line http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent I no expert, but I don’t see any reason not to use it. Hell, if you’ve got a big spool of it, I’d say that’s a really good reason to use it. Welcome to the sport and as a newcomer, stick around this group. There’s info here amongst the BS.

I’ve started making my own leaders this year.  In doing so I have looked at different companies for my leader material.  I have found the diameter and strength not the same with each company.  I’ve then found that most tippet material, though the same diameter as regular monofilament, is much stronger.  With this in mind, I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t use regular monofilament as long as you understand that it might not be as strong as tippet material for the same diameter. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Hello,     As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent

I no expert, but I don’t see any reason not to use it. Hell, if you’ve got a big spool of it, I’d say that’s a really good reason to use it. Welcome to the sport and as a newcomer, stick around this group. There’s info here amongst the BS.

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Hello,     As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent

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NEED HELP WITH POWERED PARACHUTES January 22,1997 Hi Folks,         My wife and I need all the help we can get–ideas?-advise-tips, etc. We are planning an environmental expedition into some uncharted jungles of Central America.  After four expeditions over the last nine years of trying to reach this particular area on foot we are seriously considering the use of back pack powered parachutes.         First, perhaps a little of our background would be helpful.  We are forty and fiftyish and in reasonable shape. We are both professionals-my wife is an Arthur and amateur photographer and one the best bushpersons I have ever met. She grew up on a farm where her father taught her hunting, fishing, and trapping. I am not big into guns but I’ve seen her shoot a six inch pattern at thirty yards (with a 44 magnum revolver!)  I have degrees in education, English, and Industrial Technology.  I am a licensed pilot (SEL) and have flown a paraplane trike. Spelunking is a hobby and I worked as a commercial diver a few years back(definitely a youngmans job).  I’ve worked in Mexico, the Caribbean, and we lived full time in Central America for a couple of years recently. (Stayed as long as the money and the luck held out).  We are back here in the States, in suburbia, working our tails off try to save or raise the money to get back South of the border and back to our work.  We have a non-profit tax exempt scientific and educational corporation and our Federal   tax exempt status for those that donate to the cause(we can furnish the 501 forms for tax purposes). Staying as independent as possible we have financed most of our expeditions out of our own pockets. So, who are we and what do we do?  Even though the term is about a hundred years out of date, perhaps the US Ambassador was the closest when he introduced at a banquet as Explorers.  Believe it or not there are still a few places left on this Earth that are still uncharted and unexplored.           Now a little about our work.  The area that we have tried (unsuccessfully) to reach overland has only been mapped from the air and some of those photographs were taken by Charles Lindberg in the thirties! So the Topo maps that do exist are notoriously wrong.  While cutting our way into this area we have in the past taken GPS readings, and collected samples of unusual plant life. (There is one vine that when boiled tastes just like coffee and another that if beaten into a pulp and put into relatively still waters will stun the fish enough to bring them to the surface and then when you gotten what you need you pull the vine out and stir the waters and the other fish revive).  Any archaeological ruins that we come across we get coordinates (GPS) sometimes do preliminary surveys and report to the authorities when we come out.  We don’t dig or loot.  Our next expedition is planned for the dry season in 1998 (February through April).  We will establish a base camp accessible by road and fly out of it.  We are currently working on a drag net that can be deployed and opened in the air and then retrieved while still in the air.  We will use this for the collection of insects above the canopy and up the river and stream valleys where we can.  If the back pack powered chutes work as I hope they will we should be able to land and take off from sand bars, clearings etc.  I’ve flown the valleys in a Cessna and am well aware of the variable winds, especially ridge drafts.  After almost being inverted twice I got back to altitude (prayerfully at that).  However, mornings and evenings are often calm-so if you don’t get stupid you might get away with it.         Now for the real reason for this E-mail.  Many questions??  We are considering building our first unit to train on here in the States as we don’t have the finances for a new or used unit at this time.  Has anyone had any experience with a company called "Easy Up".  They offer plans and recommend sources for new and used equipment.  I have also heard that there were tandem units on the market.  Not that we would fly tandem, but it would add a great measure of safety if a parachute, engine, or pilot were disabled.  What about climbing radius after take off (I’m sure it varies with thrust and chute design). My weight should be at about two hundred and my wives about a hundred and thirty.         What about Corporate sponsorship.  Any ideas on fundraising? There will obviously be a video produced.  Anyone know of anyone that has a unit stored that they would like to take a tax write-off on (or am I dreaming). Or a Patron or person of means who would fund the project-They might get a new bug or plant species named after them-Yeah, I know doesn’t seem like much incentive does it.  We will consider taking a few folks with us, but at this point it would have to be on a voluntary basis with them picking up their own expenses.  Experience and attitude would also be a very important considerations.   Well, thanks for taking the time to read this.  If you can’t help please pass it along to someone who may have suggestions or ideas. Thanks, John

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Trevor, YOu could always try the news group rec.aviation.powerchutes. R. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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I suggest you to read Big Air ’s Accident Reports. There are a few Paramotor accident reports which can be benefitial to you. Regards, Kinsley Wong Big Air Paragliding http://www.web-partners.com/paragliding

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Hi Klaus, here is an other german paramotor pilot. Name here is Oscar and I am located near the city of Ulm. I fly a Fresh Breeze paramotor with Paratech wing…. Any other paramotor pilots from Germany here ??? Best regards, Oscar

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if you come to scotland try phil.

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if you come to scotland try phil.

I like that "Coudbusters" !

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Here’s another: http://www.poweredparaglider.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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zum Thema "Re: paramotor": anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I flied more than one hundred times powered PG.  When you tried to fly by Powered PG, you should never use high performance PG because it is difficult to take off.  Additionally, the high performance PG is easy to collapse, sometimes recovery of collapsed PG is difficult in the case of powered PG.

I want to use my old parachute for flying with paramotor. I gave it back   to the company for changing to stronger ropes. For normal fly I want to buy a new modern high performance PG. I think that your have much experience in PG.  If not, you should learn how to control PG by PG flyer.  Powered PG is very intresting, but it is danger to fly without basic experience and knowledge about PG.  In Japan, there is one fatal accident in powered PG.  He was a ultralight flyer. Anyway, best way to safety flying is to learn how to control PG by PG (or Powered PG) flyer.

I spent lots of hours flying conventional PG, some hours Ultralight and in   past lots of hours soaring. But it is always a new experience to start flying in spring mfg KMW —   ,–.__,-.__,—-.__,-.__,–.  // Klaus Michael Weinreich

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Try this: http://hometown.aol.com/skybrake/brakeindex.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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good innit? he’s a very clever man.

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anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I have bought one, second hand, but I still have no experience at all with   flying this funny thing, although I have licence for Ultralight etc. mfg KMW

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Try     rec.aviation.powerchutes R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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Will be in PNG for Nov/Dec, anyone have any info or URLs for flyfishing there ? Thanks, Mick

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Mick, Nov-Dec will be rainy season – depending on where abouts you are and it might reduce for options for tangling with nugini bass and black bass. Dean guides there and pioneered many locations in PNG for black bass etc. and has many friends there. Regards John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (delicately snipped)        she had fallen in love, and she was grateful that it was in a beautiful place.        a. wayne harrison  examplage has paid off for you Wayno! Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!    hart, you’ve been staying up late, reading asadi again.

wayno

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Damn, counselor; that was mighty fine.   Thanks. Joe F. p.s. "…before the winter took all this into custody"  *had* to be written by a lawyer.  

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(Lovely story snipped) My God, counselor, there is hope for you yet.  No wonder I haven’t given up on you.  Well done. Dave

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I gotcher handheld trout… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Great story Wayno,  Thanks George Adams

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I gotcher handheld trout…

ROFLMAO! That’s not trout!  That’s tuna! Warren

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And then she realized that this wasn’t a once in a lifetime dream. No, she found out that you were going to spend three or four days a week and many weekends fishing and night after night after night reading fly fishing newsgroups and it was all over, right? Steve Zimmerman

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Nice piece of work Wayno.  I see someone has been telling you stories about me again.  You didn’t have to try and cover it up with that lawyer nonsense hehehehe Job well done.  One of the few treasures I have read in a long while. Warren

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[a snippet of romance]    a. wayne harrison

Counsellor, you’ve outdone yourself. Peter

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(delicately snipped)    she had fallen in love, and she was grateful that it was in a beautiful place.    a. wayne harrison

I see at last, all my careful instruction, tutoring, and examplage has paid off for you Wayno!  If you can just work in the glass of wine and sparkling fire in her eyes you will be close to graduation! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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wayno, well, wow….. first drink is on me sat. waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         she had listened with eyes that grew larger with each spoken image, as he tried to paint a picture of harper creek, his words matching the of the flow of the cellophane water, stretched in places to transparency, colored deep green and brown in the deeper reaches. they had known each other for exactly one week.  they sat across an oaken table in the bar where they had met:  the young lawyer, smitten with her like a stone from david’s sling, not yet dead, but brought far closer to life with the collision.; she, not yet twenty, a freshwoman, a first year student in a sleepy southern town.  lawyers could be heroes, then, and in a place like that, and she watched him watch her with a joy that she hoped was the stuff of dreams.         fishing for trout had become a subject of value for both of them.  she had asked him, earnestly, what are the things you love to do; he had said, fish for trout.  she asked why, and he said:  because they live in beautiful places.  it moved her nearly to tears, to know a man that could care more about where a thing lived than how to conquer it, or kill it.  for his part, it gave him something to give her.  something no one else had ever given her.  the end of her mountain drought.         so they drove together in search of the places and pictures he had described, with hearts quickening on first sight of the front range of the blue ridge, looking just like low, dark clouds, at first; then, rising with the loss of distance, gaining substance and losing mystery, they proclaimed the reality of the pictures.         it took a full hour of climbing in the car before they were inside those blue hills, no longer spectators.  and after that, the walking, nearly falling, downhill, towards the hushed rustle of flowing water, sounding like leaves in a far away wind. he knew the trip down was a tease, that each light step forward, gravity-aided, was a warning of the pain that waited at day’s end.  she only knew that she couldn’t wait to spend the best, or the rest, of this delicious day beside this magician, who painted pictures with words, and then made them real.         they reached the stream abruptly, the water strangely quiet where they made contact; a brief, sandy end to the trail signaled the edge of the water, reflecting every hint of light that sliced between the tree covered mountain shoulders.  she said, quickly, it’s just as you told me; he was validated by the water he loved.  he smiled as he prepared his gear, embarrassed at the clumsiness of early spring. it’s not like riding a bicycle, he thought; you never get over the excitement last felt months before, before the winter took all this into custody.  her eyes were blind to error, and she marveled at the movement of the rod and line, once joined, and at the lovely rythm of his arm and its inanimate extension, as alive as any flesh.         she never saw what convinced the fish to strike; it happened in an unexpected fashion, devoid of violence.  he lifted the rod, but the line refused to dance; it stopped, straightened, and began to arch toward the water, and something below the surface.  then, the surface shattered, and purest light broke the crystal tension; rose curved, twisted, and fell back into the shadowed stream.  it came to her dreamlike:  that was a fish; he has caught a fish that flies.  he waded towards her, reached beneath the wetness, and showed her the prize:  fierce, wide of eye, red blaze stretching from a black head to a rainbow’s end.  it’s a rainbow, he said; she almost replied arrogantly, of course it’s a rainbow, you fool, it’s surely more than a fish.  but she just said yes, i see.  he held the fish for a moment, and it hovered, confused, she thought.  the the lightning, and it found its place, away from them.         in her pack she had carried a lunch; that was her contribution to the trip, put together before they had shared the entrance to the blue, rolling hills, before she was washed in the knowledge of the importance of this discovery about trout, and this man who fished for them.  she opened it, and they ate, not speaking of the fish, or the fishing.  when she had half finished, he looked straight at her, and said, without asking, would you come here to me?  and she did, knowing the the memories that were forming even before they were lying together, naked, resting, hovering like the handheld trout.         she had fallen in love, and she was grateful that it was in a beautiful place.         a. wayne harrison

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Wayne, c’est un chef d’ouevre.  Magnifique mon frere (or should I say grand pere). Missing Hillary in Michigan, Mu

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Counselor Now that’s a post worth reading and a thread worth building on. You’ve done it again. Congratilations. Dave

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        she had listened with eyes that grew larger with each spoken image, as he tried to paint a picture of harper creek, his words matching the of the flow of the cellophane water, stretched in places to transparency, colored deep green and brown in the deeper reaches. they had known each other for exactly one week.  they sat across an oaken table in the bar where they had met:  the young lawyer, smitten with her like a stone from david’s sling, not yet dead, but brought far closer to life with the collision.; she, not yet twenty, a freshwoman, a first year student in a sleepy southern town.  lawyers could be heroes, then, and in a place like that, and she watched him watch her with a joy that she hoped was the stuff of dreams.         fishing for trout had become a subject of value for both of them.  she had asked him, earnestly, what are the things you love to do; he had said, fish for trout.  she asked why, and he said:  because they live in beautiful places.  it moved her nearly to tears, to know a man that could care more about where a thing lived than how to conquer it, or kill it.  for his part, it gave him something to give her.  something no one else had ever given her.  the end of her mountain drought.         so they drove together in search of the places and pictures he had described, with hearts quickening on first sight of the front range of the blue ridge, looking just like low, dark clouds, at first; then, rising with the loss of distance, gaining substance and losing mystery, they proclaimed the reality of the pictures.         it took a full hour of climbing in the car before they were inside those blue hills, no longer spectators.  and after that, the walking, nearly falling, downhill, towards the hushed rustle of flowing water, sounding like leaves in a far away wind. he knew the trip down was a tease, that each light step forward, gravity-aided, was a warning of the pain that waited at day’s end.  she only knew that she couldn’t wait to spend the best, or the rest, of this delicious day beside this magician, who painted pictures with words, and then made them real.           they reached the stream abruptly, the water strangely quiet where they made contact; a brief, sandy end to the trail signaled the edge of the water, reflecting every hint of light that sliced between the tree covered mountain shoulders.  she said, quickly, it’s just as you told me; he was validated by the water he loved.  he smiled as he prepared his gear, embarrassed at the clumsiness of early spring. it’s not like riding a bicycle, he thought; you never get over the excitement last felt months before, before the winter took all this into custody.  her eyes were blind to error, and she marveled at the movement of the rod and line, once joined, and at the lovely rythm of his arm and its inanimate extension, as alive as any flesh.         she never saw what convinced the fish to strike; it happened in an unexpected fashion, devoid of violence.  he lifted the rod, but the line refused to dance; it stopped, straightened, and began to arch toward the water, and something below the surface.  then, the surface shattered, and purest light broke the crystal tension; rose curved, twisted, and fell back into the shadowed stream.  it came to her dreamlike:  that was a fish; he has caught a fish that flies.  he waded towards her, reached beneath the wetness, and showed her the prize:  fierce, wide of eye, red blaze stretching from a black head to a rainbow’s end.  it’s a rainbow, he said; she almost replied arrogantly, of course it’s a rainbow, you fool, it’s surely more than a fish.  but she just said yes, i see.  he held the fish for a moment, and it hovered, confused, she thought.  the the lightning, and it found its place, away from them.         in her pack she had carried a lunch; that was her contribution to the trip, put together before they had shared the entrance to the blue, rolling hills, before she was washed in the knowledge of the importance of this discovery about trout, and this man who fished for them.  she opened it, and they ate, not speaking of the fish, or the fishing.  when she had half finished, he looked straight at her, and said, without asking, would you come here to me?  and she did, knowing the the memories that were forming even before they were lying together, naked, resting, hovering like the handheld trout.         she had fallen in love, and she was grateful that it was in a beautiful place.         a. wayne harrison

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In the movie Primary Colors, a roman a clef about Bill and Hillary and Co. on the campaign trail, the actress who played Hillary (Emma Thompson) was bored to tears by a campaign contributor who just talked about flyfishing all night long. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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…         she had fallen in love, and she was grateful that it was in a beautiful place.

That’s the finest piece of fiction, without capitalization, that I’ve ever read. Thanks, Wayno. — Ken Fortenberry- hoping e.e. cummings never wrote fiction Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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Look around Red River Gorge area also.  It is south of Morehead an hour or so. Some of the streams are stocked around that area.  As the previous message said, check with F & W.  The local biologist would be the one to talk to. Kenny

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

I live in Tn but I know there’s a tailwater on Herrington Lake, also Cumberland river down south. Then there’s a few trout streams around Morehead on higway 64. Try Kentucky Dept of Wildlife or equivalent, Try on Alta vista or Yahoo. That should give you the adress. Hans

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Thanks to all for their input.   As for now…It’s practice, practice, practice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

My observation is that this is especially true if you start thinking about it too much… If you simply focus on the fish and the objective at hand, the fly simply ends up right…. …in the top of a tree… TimW

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

Dan,         I started to take exception to your statement, thought about it a moment, and realized…. I was lousy at sports my whole life.  It’s a wonder I can even throw a ball, and don’t expect me to throw it accurately. And, I’m left-handed.  My whole life is about awkward!  So, what do I know about how normal motion should feel? Tight lines, and keep your line off the handle, Charley

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I frimly beleive thta Lefty Kreh’s methods work the best. Find a book or video that he has done and try to employ his methods. A lot of what he taught me was employed fishing in harsh weather and in tournaments. Lefty uses his arms and shoulders more than wrist. Tight lines!! Ron

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

In actuality Baglock, how you move the rod doesn’t matter to the rod as long as you move the right distance for the appropriate amount of line with the right acceleration.  Doesn’t care what muscles you use either. If you move the rod in the correct manner you will get a good cast. Then the trick is to be able to repeat it over and over and be accurate and be comfortable all day when doing it.  To meet those criteria I recommend you try to use your forearm as an entire unit and try not to use your wrist at all.  Now the cast can’t actually be done well or easily without a final touch of wrist in each direction, but it is a VERY SMALL movement of the wrist.  If you try not to move your wrist you will probably move it about right, if you try to use your wrist you will move it too much. If you use your forearm as the main lever, you are using a big lever with strong muscles and only one real moving part – the elbow. Fewer variables, more reliable predictions and results.  If you use your wrist to make the cast you are using your hand – a tiny lever, your forearm muscles – which are much weaker than your biceps and triceps, and you have about 12? points of movement in your wrist making it much more difficult to reliably repeat the needed movements.  IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense. If you have trouble picking it up then here are some options: 1) take a casting lesson (best and fastest way to learn either small group or private) 2) join a local fly fishing club (great for all facets of FF and many offer lessons though quality of instructionmay vary from outstanding to barely OK . 3) get a copy of Mel Krieger’s "Essence of Flycasting (vol.1)"                           Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast

Try the no wrist movement. It provides a tigher cast. Make sure your thumb is on the top of the handle and you should see it at 12 oclock when you stop on the back cast.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions. Any good fly shop should be able to provide you with a good book and video on fly casting.  In the meantime, if you tie the end of the butt

section of your rod to your forearm and cast it, you’ll get the idea of how the cast should feel when properly done.  If you break your wrist on the back cast, you’ll likely increase your chances of bringing the tip back too far and slapping your line on the water behind you.  The same is true for the forward cast.  Good luck. Stan

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

I found the recent article in the September 96 issue of Fly Fisherman (Correcting 5 Casting Mistakes) to be very helpful.  Check it out. Team OS/2                  847.808.3913

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Three thoughts come to mind: 1)      Devote some time to practice in your yard or at the park.  It’ll be easier         to focus on the casting when there is no chance of catching fish 2)      When my casting seems a little difficult, I focus on my backcast.  I try to         visualize abruptly opening a freezer door (like the ones on fridges where the freezer         section is on top).  While this may sound whacky, it usually serves to elevate and tighten         my backcast.  For me, casting troubles are usually rooted in a faulty backcast. 3)      Practice enough to feel the fod flex under the weight of the line. When you can feel         the rod at work, you will quickly be able to cast well.  You’ll also be able to adjust         to different rod actions because it will seem natural to adjust your stroke to maintain         the feeling of the rod at work. There are lots of helpful books on the subject.  Different conditions, rods, and target situations will have you using lots of wrist sometimes and little or no wrist other times. Hope this helps, August Kristoferson http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Definitely no wrist action, use your arm.  Rod tip should be traveling in a straight line. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

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I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

Head to this url: http://altavista.digital.com/ and do a search using the following keywords: +flyfish +striper And you’ll get at least 128 hits. Plenty of stuff to read/learn…. Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <        "Charter Member of Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<

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: Permits are not necessary. This is not entirely true, folks coming from the states have to have Crown Land Camping Permits to camp on any Crown Land north of the French/Mattawa line. I’m not sure about whether it is still in force, but I heard that the price was up to $10/percson/day. — Dave Robinson Toronto, Ont. Canada

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You do need a permit if you are a U.S. citizen and not using a Canadian outfitter.  If you have a guide, rented a canoe or were outfitted by a Canadian store, you do not need a permit. I had a waiver from the ONtario MNR a few years ago because I was leading a group from a non-profit organization.  They gave me a letter exempting us from the permit for our trip. – Andrew — Andrew Lederman SMD ‘97 University of Virginia

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I’m planning a canoe trip to Wabakimi Provincial Park, Ontario.  Anyone have any info on that area?  I understand that I can have a train drop us off at the park.  Is this true?  Does anyone know if there is a fee for camping?  I would really like to know what the area is like.  My only info so far is the book "Canoeing Ontario’s Rivers" by Ron Reid and Janet Grand.  I haven’t planned a date yet, but I’m thinking about mid to late August.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks!!! Dick Raffl

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m planning a canoe trip to Wabakimi Provincial Park, Ontario. Anyone have any info on that area?  I understand that I can have a train drop us off at the park.  Is this true?  Does anyone know if there is a fee for camping?  I would really like to know what the area is like.  My only info so far is the book "Canoeing Ontario’s Rivers" by Ron Reid and Janet Grand.  I haven’t planned a date yet, but I’m thinking about mid to late August.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks!!! Dick Raffl

Write to :   Ontario Ministry Of Natural Resources              P.O. Box 970, Nipigon              Ontario POT  2J0 Ask them to sent you the brochure Nipigon Canoe Routes. This will outline all of the possible routes in the Wabakimi area. You can then select a route and write to them for more detailed information such as portages, ect.  It is possible to take the train from Armstrong and have them drop you off at the Allanwater bridge: from there you take a route that brings you back through Caribou Lake. Permits are not necessary. A word of caution: some of these lakes are quite large; it’s easy to become windbound for several days. There is also a lot of fly-in fishing traffic in this area, but once you get out it can be very remote.

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And you *KNOW* that I’m kidding, right ? (Witness winking mustacheoed smily poacher symbol).  Shoot man…sometimes I’ll tie a GLO-Bug AND a Streamer on…I’m no purist. That’s for damn sure.   Tim Walker  

: : Is it flyfishing? : : Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) : Tim Walker : This is an interesting responce, because ole Tim recently wrote : to me, and asked for some samples of soft-bodied flies. I sent Tim a : fly or two, plus a few small samples of (soft foam) tying supplies. : So if the use of foam flies constitutes poaching, it seems to me, : Tim is either a poacher at heart, or he should come : clean now, and feed that foam I sent him to the shredder! : And beg forgiveness. You can’t have it both ways! : For what it’s worth–from my point of view–fishing with homemade : foam-bodied flies is good sport. IE not poaching. All I did was : invent a new fly that works like no other. Just because foam flies : are odor sponges that end up smelling like the last fish you caught, : doesn’t equate to evil in my view, it only means they work better. : —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Is it flyfishing? Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) Tim Walker This is an interesting responce, because ole Tim recently wrote to me, and asked for some samples of soft-bodied flies. I sent Tim a fly or two, plus a few small samples of (soft foam) tying supplies. So if the use of foam flies constitutes poaching, it seems to me, Tim is either a poacher at heart, or he should come clean now, and feed that foam I sent him to the shredder! And beg forgiveness. You can’t have it both ways! For what it’s worth–from my point of view–fishing with homemade foam-bodied flies is good sport. IE not poaching. All I did was invent a new fly that works like no other. Just because foam flies are odor sponges that end up smelling like the last fish you caught, doesn’t equate to evil in my view, it only means they work better. —

Here is a meaningful way to get back on Tim.  You should send out a fly or two, plus all those soft foam tying supplies to everyone on this newsgroup.  Sounds good, huh?  my mailing address is …. steve

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: : Is it flyfishing? : : Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) : : Tim Walker : Tim, can you elaborate a little. Sometime, I am not sure : that you are serious or joking. :   : Thi Nguyen Thi, Unless Tim starts out with "No Sh_t, this really happened", or some such jest disclaimer, you can usually assume he’s only joking.  Right Tim?  :-) Bryan

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writes: I guess it’s fly fisheng in that you are casting and the weight of line line, not the weight of the lure is making the cast. I use lots of foam poppers & synthetics in salt water and never question whether it’s fly fishing or not…..

I not so sure about this.  I’ve seen guys fishing for steelhead with leadcore shooting heads about five feet long followed by mono running line.  When they cast it is very similar to casting a spinning rig without the reel.  I’ll bet they could cast just as well with a bunch of split shot on the running line without the shooting head.  Might as well use a spinning reel and save all the tangles.

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: Is it flyfishing? Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) Tim Walker

This is an interesting responce, because ole Tim recently wrote to me, and asked for some samples of soft-bodied flies. I sent Tim a fly or two, plus a few small samples of (soft foam) tying supplies. So if the use of foam flies constitutes poaching, it seems to me, Tim is either a poacher at heart, or he should come clean now, and feed that foam I sent him to the shredder! And beg forgiveness. You can’t have it both ways! For what it’s worth–from my point of view–fishing with homemade foam-bodied flies is good sport. IE not poaching. All I did was invent a new fly that works like no other. Just because foam flies are odor sponges that end up smelling like the last fish you caught, doesn’t equate to evil in my view, it only means they work better. —

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: : Is it flyfishing? : Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) : Tim Walker : Tim, can you elaborate a little. Sometime, I am not sure : that you are serious or joking. : Thi Nguyen Ok Thi…my apologies…I’ll try to elaborate… …and Carlos looks up at the old man and asks "Was I *REALLY* Fly Fishing Don Juan ?" And Don looks at him, making sure that their eyes met and he says, "Carlos, do you think that you have been Fly Fishing ? and Carlos nods and the old man continues, "then certainly you must have been." And then the old man catches a glimpse  of the Pittendrigh Special and asks "Carlos, is this what you were using ?" and again Carlos nods and the Old man says "c’mon carlos, lets go get a corona and you can tell me again about the big brown" Excepted with permission by the author from : "The Teachings of Tim Walker, a Tacqui Way of Knowledge" Tim Walker

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You still (mostly) tie the material on the hook. I have seen some ‘flies’ for salt water than don’t even do that, molded epoxy baitfish and such, and holding them up next to a spin- ning lure I fail to see much difference. I don’t like the idea much and don’t use these for pretty much the same reason I don’t buy a box of ‘Flying Lures’ and use those with my 9 weight.

… not to mention, a spinning rod would work better for tossing a Flying Lure. — -Wayne Trzyna

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I guess it’s fly fisheng in that you are casting and the weight of line line, not the weight of the lure is making the cast. I use lots of foam poppers & synthetics in salt water and never question whether it’s fly fishing or not. The scent part, however, does disturb me. I’ve read several articles lately about people scenting flies like this, or in chum, or in bluefish blood, etc. To me the satisfaction in fly fishing comes from  fooling the fish into taking an artificial I tied and properly presented. Scenting a fly would somehow diminish, no eliminate that for me. It’s too close to putting a piece of bait on the end of my fly. Just my .02                                         john cloyd

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| | There is no question that the meaning of the word "fly" has taken | on a life of its own within the fly fishing community.  There was | a time when a fly was a lure which imitated a fly.  The technique | of propelling that fly developed into the sport we are familiar | with, but it is the technique, not the lure which we now rely on | to define our sport.  There are hundreds of "modern flies" which | would never be confused with an insect.  I think of | egg-sucking-leaches, moose turds, BC Bombers, green-butt skunks | and many others which any fly fisher would readily concede is | designed to catch fish using fly fishing gear.  Even the | venerable royal coachman is a lure-type fly.  Are we really being | true to the spirit of the sport in stretching the definition so | broadly?  Have we lost something of the sport in expanding the | definitions?   | | I ask only rhetorically, but am interested in the thoughts of | others on this subject.  Are there fly fishers among us so pure | as to fish only imitations of natural flies?  Is the sport a | different experience when we use lures with fly gear? | | — To me the old rules of fly fishing are kind of like 200 year old laws; in many principles they’re still applicable, but they have to grow with the times. If fly fishing stopped with the brown trout I could see using only dry flies that imitated insects. But horizons expand. Bluefish have no interest in even the most beautifully tied blue winged olive, nor I’d guess would a pike. So we have to invent flies that meet these new challenges. I think it’s the same spirit that led to lifelike imitations of mayflies or even the creation of some of the more gaudy salmon flies, however. You still (mostly) tie the material on the hook. I have seen some ‘flies’ for salt water than don’t even do that, molded epoxy baitfish and such, and holding them up next to a spin- ning lure I fail to see much difference. I don’t like the idea much and don’t use these for pretty much the same reason I don’t buy a box of ‘Flying Lures’ and use those with my 9 weight.                                         john cloyd

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Can you post on how to tie?

Phew!     Sure got a lot of requests for tying intructions on this one. Foam streamers are new for me, and I haven’t settled on a best way to make them yet. Originally, I started making them as "tube" flies. I got some thin, flexible polyethelene tubing from the chemistry supplies window at my local Univ. Then I Roughed-up the outside of the tubing with sandpaper, and then glued a lump of lead-wraps at one end. Then Inserted a stainless steel wire, into the tubing, to make a temporary mandrel to work on, and then inserted the works into a (slit) blank of common (tan colored) packing foam. Then rolled the works up in nylon-net "spawn sack." (spawn sack is sold at bait shops for wrapping salmon eggs). Then tied off both ends with thread. Then used "GlueNWash" (a water based, flexible, water-proof cement sold at sewing stores) to glue on a Mataka-like wing. And that was that. To fish it, push the leader down the tube, and tie on a hook. But now it gets easier. To hell with the tube. Cut a foam blank. Slit one end just enough to receive a slightly flattened split shot. Roll the works up in spawn sack. Wrap the ends shut with thread. Set the thread with a drop of Flexament. Cut a length of 10lb test mono. Snell a hook in the middle. Then tie a second hook on, with improved clinch knot, to make a tandem hook arrangement, with hooks just far enuf apart to match the ends of the streamer. Use thread to lash the front hook to the front end of the foam-nylon-net lump. Just poke the rear hook thru the rear end of the foam. Glue on a Matuka wing or two. (Use fabric cement). Tie your leader directly to the eye of the front hook. They’re fast and easy to tie. And catch fish like crazy. Plus, you’ll get 2,3,4 bumps/hit! When was the last time that happened, while fly fishing? Or is it fly fishing? —

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I say your are definitely flyfishing. How do tie the fly ? Can you post it again please. Thank you, Thi Nguyen

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Can you post on how to tie?

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Is it flyfishing? A few weeks ago I posted instructions for making soft-bodied streamers–made from open-cell foam wrapped in "spawn-sack" nylon netting. I’ve had some pretty remarkable fishing with these things. Because they’re soft, fish don’t spit them out right away, and even come back to hit them a second or third time, if you don’t get the fish hooked right away. Stranger yet, I couldn’t help noticing that foam streamers seem to work better as you use them. That is, after you catch the first fish, the second fish hits sooner than the first, and then the third fish even quicker yet. It finally dawned on me what was going on. So last weekend, while fishing the Yellowstone, I held a foam streamer under a fish I had in the net, and squeezed the foam body of the streamer as the fish dripped its slimy juices onto the fly. Sure enough, I caught another fish almost right away, and then another, etc. Foam streamers, it turns out, are odor sponges. And the more they smell, the better they work. That this is a hot-damn fly is not a question. Foam streamers are the deadliest flies I have ever tied and fished with. But is using them still fly fishing? And does it really matter anyway? ….just wondering….. ? —

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There is no question that the meaning of the word "fly" has taken on a life of its own within the fly fishing community.  There was a time when a fly was a lure which imitated a fly.  The technique of propelling that fly developed into the sport we are familiar with, but it is the technique, not the lure which we now rely on to define our sport.  There are hundreds of "modern flies" which would never be confused with an insect.  I think of egg-sucking-leaches, moose turds, BC Bombers, green-butt skunks and many others which any fly fisher would readily concede is designed to catch fish using fly fishing gear.  Even the venerable royal coachman is a lure-type fly.  Are we really being true to the spirit of the sport in stretching the definition so broadly?  Have we lost something of the sport in expanding the definitions?   I ask only rhetorically, but am interested in the thoughts of others on this subject.  Are there fly fishers among us so pure as to fish only imitations of natural flies?  Is the sport a different experience when we use lures with fly gear? —

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To me, when ever you fish with a fly rod and fly line, you are flyfishing, regardless what you tied at the end of the line. For sure, I am not a purist. And I don’t want to be one. Cheers, Thi Nguyen

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: Is it flyfishing? Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) Tim Walker

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: Is it flyfishing? Nope, it’s poaching, pure and simple…;{) Tim Walker

Tim, can you elaborate a little. Sometime, I am not sure that you are serious or joking. Thi Nguyen

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