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If you swing by that way again, look for some of the hot springs (green algae areas, some with rocks built up along the banks) parallel and down stream of the pool.  I have not fished them personally but rafted by them this summer.  The Guide pointed them out and said they were popular year round (especially winter) fishing spots. Scott any great skill-my love for fishing is not matched by my talent for it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then I noticed my feet were wet and getting cold. Apparently, some idiot decided to wade in the Colorado River at about 7000 feet or higher, without waders. You believe the nerve of that moron?

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Last week we stopped there on our way back from Grand Mesa NF. It’s amazing how few people there were for a Sunday afternoon with good weather, I sat and studied the water for a while, and then discarded all I knew and tied on a black Wooly Worm, and started working my way downstream. Not with any great skill-my love for fishing is not matched by my talent for it. Eventually, I found the trout. They either spooked from my presentation or exhibited some beautiful refusal rises. What the hell, getting a refusal from a 20" trout on the Colorado River is the same as actually catching a fish in some other places. Maybe even better. Besides, I was too lazy to tie on something else, and there weren’t any bugs in the air anyway. Then I noticed my feet were wet and getting cold. Apparently, some idiot decided to wade in the Colorado River at about 7000 feet or higher, without waders. You believe the nerve of that moron? Then I decided to try a new tack. Maybe I should be nymphing with this thing instead of fishing it on the surface. The trout down at the bottom aren’t as smart as the ones taking dries, right? (Probably wrong, actually.) And being too lazy to switch to a shorter leader…actually, the only change I made was a tiny little piece of twist-on. And maybe I got a few hits and was a little late setting up. I was a little distracted. Until one cast…snagged my fly in a tree maybe 20′ off the ground. I start trying to jerk it out, and lost the entire leader instead. Clinch knot good. Mike’s nail knot, apparently bad. Oops. And the flyline splashed into the water, as flylines are wont to do when they’re being waved through the air. And a fish tried to take the end of the line. Maybe I should have tried a yellow fly? — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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        more better:  absolut and tonic, no lime, at twilight.         wayno         sulphur creek

OK  Wayne, what’s this more better coming from you? Unless you’ve had a few. Try this; SOBE Lizard Fuel with that Absolute, but then again this could be a Lady’s drink.;-) Missed the hatch. Doug Knight Snake River

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Drys at twilight. Doug Knight Snake River

        more better:  absolut and tonic, no lime, at twilight.         wayno         sulphur creek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snippped] Last fall fishing on the Trinity required about  90% of the day roll casting a weighted fly with a sink tip. Weighted fly?!? Hey Doug: did George read that over your shoulder? Is he still alive?

Nope! I’m free, white and single aand I can speak for myself. George doesn’t know all my tricks. I keep my indicators out of sight when he’s around. George alive? The heat has worked him hard today. He wasn’t in the shop past noon. When the weather cools off he’ll  be in better spirits. Drys at twilight. Doug Knight Snake River

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[snippped] Last fall fishing on the Trinity required about  90% of the day roll casting a weighted fly with a sink tip.

Weighted fly?!? Hey Doug: did George read that over your shoulder? Is he still alive? /daytripper

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0] : I’m getting tired of pulling my flies out of the brush.. and never : getting enough distance on my cast (in spite of countless but : fruitless false casts) to get my fly where I want it to be. : Does anyone know of a local instructor they would recommend?  Yea, I : do know of some local shops to ask around at, but I’d rather have a : first hand recommendation if you’ve got one. : -Mark You might want to check out the Peninsula Fly Fishers Club. We do a casting clinic once a month. The next one will be on Aug 21 at Erckenbrack Park in Foster City. See our web site http://www.geocities.com/~mpff .  Another possibility is the San Jose Fly Fishers who have clinics on some Thursday evenings down at the casting ponds in Campbell, but I am not sure of the details. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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I’m getting tired of pulling my flies out of the brush.. and never getting enough distance on my cast (in spite of countless but fruitless false casts) to get my fly where I want it to be. Does anyone know of a local instructor they would recommend?  Yea, I do know of some local shops to ask around at, but I’d rather have a first hand recommendation if you’ve got one. -Mark — Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad

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I’m getting tired of pulling my flies out of the brush.. and never getting enough distance on my cast (in spite of countless but fruitless false casts) to get my fly where I want it to be. Does anyone know of a local instructor they would recommend?  Yea, I do know of some local shops to ask around at, but I’d rather have a first hand recommendation if you’ve got one.

Mark, It’s goes back to this presentation thing. Back cast in the trees? It sounds like you need to master one valuable casting ability, the roll cast. Once you learn it, you won’t need the trees anymore. You’ll spend more time fishing instead of digging and tearing at the flora. You’ll need to be on the water or a casting pond to really learn this. Golden Gate Park or Maceran(sp) Park in the east bay are good locations with casting ponds. Last fall fishing on the Trinity required about  90% of the day roll casting a weighted fly with a sink tip. The only flies that I lost on that trip were on the bottom where I needed to be. Roll away. The roll cast is only the front end of the cast. Doug Knight Snake River

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(Michael Leitheiser) writes: If ;you are only 5 yrs old I have to say congratulations on managing to accumulate such an admirable collection of quality equipment to swap for good cane…..If you are 104, I would have thought you would already have some great cane..(<:

I’m forty, been fly fishing since ‘94 and own a few good cane rods but what can I say, I’m a greedy SOB. Besides my Winstons and T&T’s aren’t on that list. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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What sort of cane rod are you planning on buying that needs such a clear-out?  If you want two beautiful cane rods at reasonable prices, drop me a line and I’ll put you in touch with Ted Knott.  He’ll custom make your two rods for a total of approx. $1,500.00 US.  I have his 7′ 4/5 wt. and believe me, it’s a gem.

Thanks I know of Mr. Knott, he has a good reputation. We are talking Leonards, Summers, and or a Howells. They don’t come along every day. The CFO is yours, Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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OK folks, chance to get some top quality gear at good prices and help me buy two cane rods I have a major lust for. Those offended by personal for sale adds should not read further. For Sale Sage 490-3 SP, Custom made by Dorothy Schramm for the 1998 trout bum bar b que- $375, or combo with UNUSED Lamson LP 1.5 and SA Mastery 4WF for $550. Excellent Condition She does great work. T&T Paradigm 490-3, Excellent Condition, very little use $425 or Combo with Orvis CFOIII (special silver edition) and line for $575. To buy this baby new in this combo will cost you over $850. Or if you want something better in a reel I will consider a Hardy UL Disk reel though the price will be a little higher. Sage 586-3 LL, Rod is great shape, thanks to a canoe accident is 2/3 new, (Sage replaced the top two sections). This is a great Spring Creek or Dry Fly rod. I fish it with a 6DT. Asking $300 for the rod though I’m sure I can combo it if that is what it takes. Sage 586-3 SP, Custom Made by Dorothy Schramm for the 1999 Trout Bum Bar B Que. I paid $400 for it at auction, that’s what I’m asking for it. Unfished and beautiful attention to detail. I can combo it with another Hardy UL Disk if that is what it takes. Sage 589-5 SP, I hate to part with this one…the Sage 5 pc SP with extra tip. Great rod which will cost you almost $700 new. Little use so far and in excellent Condition. Asking $525, will combo with Sage 3200 reel and SA XPS 5 wt line for $725. Diamondback 904/5-4 Fast rod, great entry level $150 (4/5 wt) Diamondback 909-3 Great chance for saltwater salmon rod in almost new condition-$150. Have a Marryat 9A with two spools will consider in Combo, but that reels goes for almost $400 + the spool but will combo for $350. Orvis, CFO 123 with two spools, good condition $150. All rods include socks & tubes, reels have cases. I pay ground shipping in the 48 states. I feel these are excellent rods & reels at good prices. Sorry warranties are not transferable but if you should bust one, I’ve been around since ‘94 and don’t intend upon dying anytime soon so I’ll help you get warranty coverage. It is not everyday you get a chance to buy a Summers and a Leonard in excellent condition. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Wayne What sort of cane rod are you planning on buying that needs such a clear-out?  If you want two beautiful cane rods at reasonable prices, drop me a line and I’ll put you in touch with Ted Knott.  He’ll custom make your two rods for a total of approx. $1,500.00 US.  I have his 7′ 4/5 wt. and believe me, it’s a gem. BTW, I’m very interested in your CFO 123 and spools but I won’t be able to send you cash until after I get back from my holidays the second week of August  (I’m leaving in a couple of days.)  Can you hold them for me?  It’s a guaranteed $150.00 sale, no backing out. ROFFian honour. Peter

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If ;you are only 5 yrs old I have to say congratulations on managing to accumulate such an admirable collection of quality equipment to swap for good cane…..If you are 104, I would have thought you would already have some great cane..(<: OK folks, chance to get some top quality gear at good prices and help me buy two cane rods I have a major lust for.

Lots of stuff snipped Sorry, warranties are not transferable but if you should bust one, I’ve been around since ‘94 and don’t intend upon dying anytime soon so I’ll help you get warranty coverage. It is not everyday you get a chance to buy a Summers and a Leonard in excellent condition. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Are there any likely hatches in south and central Vt on the last weekend in April?

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With this being a mild year w/ relatively low water look for olives (#18-20), Paraleps, aka Blue Quills (#16-18), or Hendricksons and Red Quills (#12-14). Southern streams will see the hatches first. Good Luck

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Are there any likely hatches in south and central Vt on the last weekend in April?

Joe, A reader provided you with some good info in the previous message.  To add to that, the Quill Gordon hatch can be very prolific and is one those of us up here in the north will tend to get excited about as there is not much of Quill Gordon hatch up north.  Quill Gordons will follow the little black caddis, early stones, then bwo’s and blue quills and then Quills!  You will generally need water around 52 to see Quill Gordons.  Hendrickson (female) and the Red Quill(male) usually are not seen until May when water temps are reaching 55-58.  However as the previous reader mentioned water is low up here and the run-off is over.  Mild sunny days are lifting the water temps everyday.   The bwo’s and blue quills will come off in the high 40’s.   If I have not confused you come up with some parachute adams sizes 12-18 to cover the quills, bwo’s and blue quills and a Hendrickson pattern ( we almost always use a parachute and trailing shuck except during a spinner fall.  Beadheaded nymphs are the call. Email me if you have any questions. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

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Helen, Being in Vermont I can give some ideas that you may be able to extrapolate for NH.  Currently there are cahills and sulphurs along with caddis both black and tan.  I should not think you could ever go wrong with an elk hair caddis anywhere in NH and VT.  Yellow and cream colored soft hackles fished dragging in the riffles should produce fish there as well.  Tricos are starting to appear as well (size 20-24 white and black mayflies).  I would be happy to help in anyway I can. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

Small (16-20) nymphs and the hatch of the day.  Check with the local fly shop.   This has been a real weird summer with first cold and now heat.  Nothing has been too predictable except that fishing is always better than working. — Len —– Leonard Campbell                                                                                                 solicitations!!

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Another nice place to try your hand at is cole pond near Enfield Center off of 4A.  Take bog pond road and go about 2 miles.  sign for cole pond on the right and it is about a 1/2 mile hike up to it. Fly fishing only and make sure to bring a tube or portage a canoe up as it is tough to fish from the shore in most spots although there are a couple areas were you can wade out.

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Rick, You will be not too far from the Contoocook River, which has a fly fishing only section in W. Henniker.  Also the Masocoma river that runs out of Lake MAscoma can be pretty good.  There are other rivers like the Sugar that are a little further away to the south of where you will be.   There are also some trout ponds worth looking into.  Give me an E-mail when it gets a little closer to your trip, and I might be able to give you a better idea of where to go. Tight Lines, Gerry Crow

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I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  

Rick, you’re in luck: there are a couple of very good rivers near enough to New London to get your flyfishing fix. Should be some good dry fly action as well… There’s some great fishing for browns and ‘bows on the Contoocook River near Henniker, NH, roughly 40 minutes from New London: go south on I89 to Rt 202, follow 202 west to the Rt 114 exit. Take a right at the end of the ramp (114 N), then take the first left past the gas station (Davidson Rd). Follow Davidson for roughly 1 mile to a stop sign, where you then take a left onto Liberty Hill Road (this will take you back across Rt 202). The road quickly turns into unpaved/graded. About 1/10th mile from the bridge over 202, take the first right turn onto Western Road (another dirt road), follow this to a fork (an equipment dealer on your right) and take the left fork down to the river. This road parallels the best fishing on the Contoocook… Another piece of river worth trying is the Sugar River in Guild, NH. Take I89 north to Rt 11 south. When you cross into the town of Guild (~10 miles from New London) from the town of Sunapee, look immediately to the left for Paradise Road (~1/10 mile from the town line) which will take you over the Sugar River. You then see an old railroad grade that roughly parallels the river. Good place to start – the next couple of miles of river heading downstream can be quite good… Finally, the Warner River can also be quite good, and it’s not far from New London (~15 miles). Take I89 south to Rt 103 west, then follow 103 for ~2 miles, then look for the township of Roby (with Roby Road perhaps being the only marker of same ;^). Roby Road heads north from 103 and parallels the Lane River. The confluence of the Lane with the Warner marks the downstream end of a good section of Warner water. Work your way upstream from there for another couple of miles looking for the good spots… Although none of the above is a closely guarded secret, I hope this helps you keep your casting arm limber during your stay in Cow Hampster. None of these rivers would be confused with *any* of the multiple branches of the Salmon River, but they’ll certainly be better than leaving your rod home ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <     "What doesn’t kill you…will hurt like heck!"     < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Hi y’all, I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  Email would be great, posting here is fine.  I’ll happily trade info on Idaho and the general area. Thanks. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Wouldn’t you love to be there? Actually, I’ve never been. I’d like to know what it’s like in mid-July. I like beautiful, cool settings in my travel trailer with a crackling creek nearby, trout at the surface with their mouths agape. Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? Where is the best place to drop my rig? ……Straight leaders and no brush behind!

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NO

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Wouldn’t you love to be there? Actually, I’ve never been. I’d like to know what it’s like in mid-July. I like beautiful, cool settings in my travel trailer with a crackling creek nearby, trout at the surface with their mouths agape. Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? Where is the best place to drop my rig? …….Straight leaders and no brush behind!

the fish are abundant in the entire length of the quality waters.  For wading, it is always crowded, but less so in the middle of the week. If you plan to float the river, you will not have to fight the crowds as much, but there are many more floaters that when I first visited the river in ‘88.  I lived within four hours drive, and it was in my sales territory, so was able to fish it often until moving away last about a year ago.  A great area … check in at Abe’s Motel and Fly Shop for the latest info. Dee Crabtree DeeCrab*ibm.net

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too?

If she likes to sit in the heat and read, or hike the rugged canyons, yes. I suggest you try to get her into a flyfishing school before you leave and maybe she will fish with you …. and maybe she won’t.  My wife is good for about 30 minutes of fishing before she is ready to head home! She does like the rugged beauty of the San Juan River however! Dee Crabtree DeeCrab*ibm.net

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too?

Try leaving her in Durango,CO.  She can shop or take the scenic train or wahtever the heck it is my wife did last year.  Plus you can stop into Duranglers for some hints from the guys there.  Durango’s also a good base to hop over to the Dolores.  Nice tailwater fishing there, too. Jim

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Anyone have the conditions on the stream.  I expect to be in Deposit in three weeks and sure would like to hear from someone who’s been there.

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east & west branches are very low ,as is the main branch. Right now march browns are hatching, in a week or so I expect to see Green drakes. The first release is not scheduled untl 6/15. If we don’t get some rain soon fishing will be seriously affected. I will be spending a few days there at the end of the week ,will report on conditiions

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: east & west branches are very low ,as is the main branch. Right now march : browns are hatching, in a week or so I expect to see Green drakes. The : first release is not scheduled untl 6/15. If we don’t get some rain soon : fishing will be seriously affected. I will be spending a few days there at : the end of the week ,will report on conditiions I was on the fly stretch just below Deposit last night.  Very low is right. We got there about 7:00pm, and there was a blizzard of caddis coming off in the riffle just below the main parking access.  Some hendricksons and march browns.  We got into one of our favorite spots and the fish were in a frenzy.  They seemed to be hitting on emergers, since swarms of fish would roil the surface, and you couldn’t see any flies.  Casting into the roils didn’t produce too well.  Eventually, we tried some no hackle hendricksons with a white parachute, and then the action was great until dark.  My partner had a better spot, I think, and is a better fisherman. He caught 5 in half an hour, I had 3.  Largest 16". Also, I heard that the march browns are hatching on the main branch where the water is a little warmer, but the hendricksons are still on the west branch. That’s only word of mouth though. -Jeff

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I’m new to the Washington State area and would like to try my luck on some of the rivers and streams in the western half of the state.  Would any body mind dirrecting me to some decent rivers in this area, mind you, I don’t want to know your secret spot but maybe the location of some productive streams/rivers. Thank you in advance for any information you all might render.

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I am going to Cancun in mid april with my company, and I would like to know if there is any fly-fishing in the immediate area around Cancun.   If you know of anything or anyone please let me know.  Thank You.

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Feb. 20, 1995. Central Oregon.  First day out in an early spring for the High Desert of Central Oregon. 100 miles from my home on a nearly deserted desert lake, my first fish was 21" Lahoatan Rainbow. Caught it from the shore in about 3′ of water. I used an Olive green wolly bugger fly on an intermediate sink line. The fish was the first of about 15 I took in 4 hours of fishing. All were over 15". The second in size that day was 19", I put 2 18" back as well as 3 17".  I am told no one will believe me, and that is good because I would not want more competition for Central Oregon fishing than we already have.  We begin fishing at Ice off and fish until winter ice on.  Most of the time I fish off the bank, wading out 2′ to 3′.   The Plumber, from Bend. Oregon

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Feb. 20, 1995. Central Oregon.  First day out in an early spring for

the High Desert of Central Oregon. 100 miles from my home on a nearly deserted desert lake, my first fish was 21" Lahoatan Rainbow. Caught it from the shore in about 3′ of water. I used an Olive green wolly  bugger fly on an intermediate sink line. The fish was the first of about 15 I took in 4 hours of fishing. All were over 15". The second in size that day was 19", I put 2 18" back as well as 3 17".   I am told no one will believe me, and that is good because I would not want more competition for Central Oregon fishing than we already have.  We begin fishing at Ice off and fish until winter ice on.  Most of the time I fish off the bank, wading out 2′ to 3′.    The Plumber, from Bend. Oregon This posting was made by my brother and we didn’t get the word wrap taken care of. If you fussed with it the first time, try again now as I have edited it to fit my e-mail system. I don’t know what it did on your monitor. This is an honest posting. I envy my brother’s ability to fish … so much so that after all these years of spin-casting with quite good success, I’ve begun to fly fish like him. Last summer, he and I fished this lake. I was skunked while he caught and released several nice trout. He kept two which I took home to Idaho for SEVERAL meals. Best fishes Keith Drahn

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Feb. 20, 1995. Central Oregon.  First day out in an early spring for the High Desert of Central Oregon. 100 miles from my home on a nearly deserted desert lake, my first fish was 21" Lahoatan Rainbow. Caught it from the shore in about 3′ of water. I used

 an Olive green wolly bugger fly on an intermediate sink line. The fish was the first of about 15 I took in 4 hours of fishing. All were over 15". The second in size that day was 19", I put 2 18" back as well as 3 17".  I am told no one will believe me, a nd that is good because I would not want more competition for Central Oregon fishing than we already have.  We begin fishing at Ice off and fish until winter ice on.  Most of the time I fish off the bank, wading out 2′ to 3′.   The Plumber, from Bend. Oregon

Great job on first fish of the season, I just got mine today (3/16)!!   I’ve been trying for the last 3 days.  I live at the junction of the Clark Fork and the Bitterroot in Montana, so I should be able to hook one anytime I want.  But the weather has been hell.  First it snows a little, then rains, then the wind blows.  I have been shivering for days.  The best bet is a nymph/streamer, but I hate that.  But today it all worked.   The sun came out and about 15 minutes later, so did the bugs.  I had 3 hits but couldn’t get the fish on, just pulled it out of their mouths.  I was reading the water best I could, but getting nowhere.  Then I cast to the deeper, swifter current….the wrong place.  It was one of those times.  The fly hit the water and WHAM.  The fish wasn’t too big (10"), but it JUMPED and fought like a good Montana rainbow.  You can be I’ll be out again tomorrow.  Spring or almost-spring fishing is alright!! PS, this river water ends up going to Washington/Oregon.  I’d like to try it there some time.

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