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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

We certainly know who doesn’t….

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? —

Orvis. Dave LaCourse

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — Orvis. Dave LaCourse

_____ Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh! — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

Check out Stormy Seas at http://www.stormyseas.com/vests.html These folks make awesome products.  Read the history of this company– the founder went overboard into the Bering Sea in November.  He survived (a small miracle) and founded this company so that more could also survive similar situations.  LOTS of North Pacific commercial fishermen wear Stormy Seas jackets. The vests and jackets have a bladder inside that is inflated by pulling on a chest patch that is attached to a CO2 cartridge.  The benefit is a vest or jacket that is not bulky but has a built in life vest.  There is also a fill tube that can be used to inflate the vest by mouth. BTW, these make for a great joke at the bar…  I’ve seen ‘green’ fishermen have their cord yanked and their jacket explode into a life vest.  The response never fails to amuse. Tom no longer working at sea Before you buy.

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Let’s see, got up feeling cranky ’cause I didn’t get much sleep. Took twice as long to shave since the stubble was two day’s worth.  Took SWMBO out for breakfast at Russell Williams restaurant, then we went for a long ride.  Got gas for the truck – prices still too high. First day this year wearing shorts instead of jeans.  Got the house painted yesterday and SWMBO thinks the painters did a shitty job. Somebody feel free to jump in any time. Peter the bored

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I just got in from painting the new garden shed. I’m about to make some lunch and take my son to his baseball game. After that I’m taking my canoe and hitting a local lake with my son to catch the evening midge hatch. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s see, got up feeling cranky ’cause I didn’t get much sleep. Took twice as long to shave since the stubble was two day’s worth.  Took SWMBO out for breakfast at Russell Williams restaurant, then we went for a long ride.  Got gas for the truck – prices still too high. First day this year wearing shorts instead of jeans.  Got the house painted yesterday and SWMBO thinks the painters did a shitty job. Somebody feel free to jump in any time. Peter the bored

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I just got in from painting the new garden shed. I’m about to make some lunch and take my son to his baseball game. After that I’m taking my canoe and hitting a local lake with my son to catch the evening midge hatch.

We’re in runoff here and my local warm water ponds aren’t warm enough yet, so I’ve been doing lots of Spring repairs, tying and watching hockey. Go Avs! Might try out a local pond tonight. Willi

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Somebody feel free to jump in any time.

Just returned from the annual cleanup (removal of trash dumped over the banking by locals) at our Vermont camp. Fished Friday PM…..nothing. Got on the wrong side of the jet stream yesterday, rain and cold all PM, water high and discolored, didn’t fish. Back home now, ait temps in the mid 80’s. Might try a local stream this evening, but the fishing in this area has been slow. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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As opposed to some, I’m finishing up projects the evil professors have given me.  So a 20 minute presentation encompassing all that is involved in Info Security is due tomorrow.  Need an auctioneer to present it.  Mowed the lawn, washed the dog (glad I didn’t mix those two up), watered (used the dog), did dishes (used the dog), took a nap, dreamt about getting hammered on Jim Beam, fly fishing and eating a burro (dog gone).                     Frank Reid

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We’re in runoff here and my local warm water ponds aren’t warm enough yet, so I’ve been doing lots of Spring repairs, tying and watching hockey. Go Avs! Might try out a local pond tonight. Willi

Gorgeous weather out here in Vancouver, WA.  Unfortunately the streams aren’t open yet, and I’m getting stir-crazy.  There are some heavily stocked local 2500ft, is probably too high, cold, and maybe snowed in.  So I performed some minor honey-do’s, watched some NBA (Blazers smoked Utah), tied some zonkers and buggers, and practiced golf.  Beautiful and peaceful on the golf course.  After 6pm I had the course basically to myself. Spring is soon to be in full bloom and flyfishing should just get better.  Hang in there. Pat K

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Let’s see, got up feeling cranky ’cause I didn’t get much sleep. Took twice as long to shave since the stubble was two day’s worth.  Took SWMBO out for breakfast at Russell Williams restaurant, then we went for a long ride.  Got gas for the truck – prices still too high. First day this year wearing shorts instead of jeans.  Got the house painted yesterday and SWMBO thinks the painters did a shitty job. Somebody feel free to jump in any time.

He He.   I just survived the busy weekend from hell.   Sat a.m., three hours in the morning heat for son’s baseball game (first ever base hit, 2 rbi’s.). Full speed transition to inlaws afternoon gathering, then even faster (90 mph) exit to drop off kids at parents, then to the make the evening curtain at the opera (now *that* was a culture shift.).   (First time, La Boheme, loved it BTW.)   Home at midnight. Sun a.m., cook breakfast for sister-in-law’s family, then off to Md. Sheep & Wool Festival.   Home at 6, try to cut grass, mover won’t run.   Aw shit. Start weed whacker; won’t run.   Double shit.   Make pizza, watch "Galaxy Quest" (great "Star Trek" spoof).   Go to sleep. Glad to be back at work so I can relax.   Clavin’ tomorrow. Just in time for my planned "express" drive to the Clave, I hear the state police in MD & VA have started a crackdown on aggressive drivers this week. I might need that bail money before I even get there. Joe F.

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Let’s see, got up feeling cranky ’cause I didn’t get much sleep. Took twice as long to shave since the stubble was two day’s worth.  Took SWMBO out for breakfast at Russell Williams restaurant, then we went for a long ride.  Got gas for the truck – prices still too high. First day this year wearing shorts instead of jeans.  Got the house painted yesterday and SWMBO thinks the painters did a shitty job. Somebody feel free to jump in any time. Peter the bored

Went to my local triple secret, never fail, always hoppin’, mayfly factory section of river. Not a damn thing coming off. Caught a piddling handful of dinks. Got home and saw the grass has shot up 4 inches and the snow blower is still mounted on my lawn machine. Big thunderstorms today so it will get longer and probably clump like hell when I finally do mow it. Week of work looms ahead. Ahh! The only bright spot is we hammered the blue gills on Sat.- limits all around. <G Damn the clave! Jon (whining and not in NC (sniff))

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As opposed to some, I’m finishing up projects the evil professors have given me.  So a 20 minute presentation encompassing all that is involved in Info Security is due tomorrow.  Need an auctioneer to present it.  Mowed the lawn, washed the dog (glad I didn’t mix those two up), watered (used the dog), did dishes (used the dog), took a nap, dreamt about getting hammered on Jim Beam, fly fishing and eating a burro (dog gone).                    Frank Reid

Frank, Ya should’ve been at Chatsworth this past weekend (and Zwolle, in Holland, the weekend before). All the old miscreants and n’er-do-wells …plus a few new ones. Saw some very good fly tying and some awesome casting. Watch out: Vikings and Swampy incoming! The latest things from Scandinavia are fly rods in sky blue and banana yellow, because (the man explained), ‘fly fishing is supposed to be fun’. I’ve spent two weekends in the company of an old friend and a most interesting man. In Japan, they would have had him stuffed and put in a museum as a ‘national treasure’. On Saturday evening I dined with the best blank maker and rod builder in Britain and that was but a fraction of the good fun and interest I’ve been having this past ten days. Dead air? Nix! Suddenly, it’s all become exciting again. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Let’s see, got up feeling cranky ’cause I didn’t get much sleep. Took twice as long to shave since the stubble was two day’s worth.

LOL, got trapped into going to the ‘big’ mall, an hour away. So down we go and the paintings she wanted were gone….oh well what the hell, got a bottle of Birchwood Casey TruOil finish anyway. Tied a bunch of dries, small black stones, some wullfs etc. Was my first experience with my Whiting Gold grizzley saddle, tied 6 #14 Wulffs with one damn feather, good bye Metz necks! Received my ‘new’ South Bend #346 9′ bamboo and case today, some of the varnish is alligatored so I’m putting about trying to figure out where to get a polish to clean that up without having to refinish it. Took it out to the back yard and put my Ocean City Sport King rod with the level D silk line on it and casted for a bit. Rose several cats but failed to get a conclusive hookup, I realize they are not a mainstream prey species, but they are good fighters when you can keep them on the line. Checking ebay for some other bamboo rods, getting quite a jones for these since getting my first H-I just a few weeks ago. Got silk thread inbound so I can re-wrap both my H-I’s. For the first time ever, I really wish I had planned to attend a clave, I guess the fall ball in Maine, so close to me, will become a "must attend" event. Supposed to rain the rest of this week here, sigh, so the rivers go back UP again….sigh….going to have to take the canoe to a pond someplace instead. Flyfish

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Chattsworth!  Excuse me while I curl up in a corner and go catatonic.  Man I miss that.                 Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As opposed to some, I’m finishing up projects the evil professors have given me.  So a 20 minute presentation encompassing all that is involved in Info Security is due tomorrow.  Need an auctioneer to present it.  Mowed the lawn, washed the dog (glad I didn’t mix those two up), watered (used the dog), did dishes (used the dog), took a nap, dreamt about getting hammered on Jim Beam, fly fishing and eating a burro (dog gone).                    Frank Reid Frank, Ya should’ve been at Chatsworth this past weekend (and Zwolle, in Holland, the weekend before). All the old miscreants and n’er-do-wells …plus a few new ones. Saw some very good fly tying and some awesome casting. Watch out: Vikings and Swampy incoming! The latest things from Scandinavia are fly rods in sky blue and banana yellow, because (the man explained), ‘fly fishing is supposed to be fun’. I’ve spent two weekends in the company of an old friend and a most interesting man. In Japan, they would have had him stuffed and put in a museum as a ‘national treasure’. On Saturday evening I dined with the best blank maker and rod builder in Britain and that was but a fraction of the good fun and interest I’ve been having this past ten days. Dead air? Nix! Suddenly, it’s all become exciting again. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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     Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

and what would that "something" be?         -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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 It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..

At the age of 46, I’d be inclined to agree.  But here’s a story from my youth you may find amusing.  Back in ‘63, I was in Sequoia camping with a ‘Y’ group of youths my age.  We were there for fishing and hiking. ‘Fishing’ was the operative word, since no one had ‘caught’ anything.  At that time, FF wasn’t nearly the designer sport it is today.  I had only seen a couple people doing it and I was a fair distance away:  totally naive to the special gear required for the graceful casts. Taking my self quite seriously, I started whipping a spoon around using my 6′ ft, fiberglass, $12 Thrifty spinning rod and reel.  There I was, whippin that thing back and forth and every once in a while lettin the spoon drag through the pool.  On one of my "backcasts" I literally yanked a little 8 incher right out of the water, totally surprising both of us.  (This was the only trout caught by anyone on the trip!).  Subsequent flailing, for an hour or so produced no more fish.  Go figure.  I guess I put ‘em all down. (The most amazing part of this story is that I still have both of my eyes).  Now you can easily convince this 46 year old that aint flyfishin, but don’t try to convince that 12 year old kid.   Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing".

I guess this pretty well rules out spin casting a clear bubble attached above a 6′ leader having a dry fly attached.  Personally, this works for me because the result is to drift flies with a presentation that fools the fish in the same way your defined technique does.  (I don’t do this anymore, but it certainly wouldn’t chap my hide if I say someone plying ff only waters in this fashion, especially if it was a young’un)

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   Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

(hee hee) What is flyfishing ? If you have to ask or try and define it, you’ll never understand it. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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        Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-) and what would that "something" be?

the first internet gigabyte waste of bandwith for "1997 Useless Threads" category…… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..  Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing". RALPH may or may not want an amemdment to exclude the use of lightweight spoons or wigglers. Note: that doesn’t mean we can’t fish with bass poppers….It just puts a tight limit on how we categorize them.   Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

Maybe it could be simpler, fly fishing is fishing with a fly line. — Charlie…

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 It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..

  Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing". RALPH may or may not want an amemdment to exclude the use of lightweight spoons or wigglers. Note: that doesn’t mean we can’t fish with bass poppers….It just puts a tight limit on how we categorize them.    Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

I’m attracted to this definition having posted something similar some time back. It concentrates on one major factor that makes flyfishing different; the cast. It also seems more consistent with the more ‘catholic’ outlook most flyfishers have these days (includes me) – adopt what works within rather broad confines. I do think though we have to exclude obvious ‘lures’ (spoons spinners etc) but don’t know what to do about "flys" that act like lures –  spoons flies tullis wigglers, plastic bills on bass poppers etc. So many of these things are constructed the same way we tie flies so though I’m tend to be not convinced they are flies I use them rather than condemn them. Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

Hi Jim Good point. I agree it’s a lot more important to help a kid get started than to argue about what fly fishing is. You also have a good summer. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

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How is Crane Prairie fishing these days. I plan to be there on the 25th of June. Any dry fly action? I have never fished it and was wondering if it is necessary to have a boat as I am not bringing along any flotation devices but am told I can rent a boat from the small store there. — David and B.J. Weitl Poulsbo, Washington http://www.nwfishing.com/dweitl

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How is Crane Prairie fishing these days.

As usual for this time of year, one day is excellent, next is dead.   Folks over the past two weeks have been doing decent (Rock Creek Campground area). Any dry fly action?

Some.  Usually damsels in the surface film are best, but a few mayflies should be present.  Dredging leeches (brandy-wine color) usually produces the most. … was wondering if it is necessary to have a boat …

Fishing from the bank is extremely limited, if at all.  You can rent boats at the resort.  At least the crowd I fish with tend to be in the Rock Creek / Quinn Channel areas, which are farthest from the Resort, so if you go with a rental, ask questions about the Deschutes Channel or make sure you have enough gas to make it across the reservior. Thomas Gilg

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

Since smallies rarely get over 6lbs in our neck of the woods, I use 6lb Maxima (or 4lb if I want to be really subtle) on my spinning gear. I use 10-12lbs test on my baitcaster for crank baits where finesse is not a requirement. And unlike largemouth you don’t often have to horse smallies out of heavy cover so anything over 10lbs is probably overkill. David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

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I have used a 7wt rod/line combo. When fishing in the shallows I look for a shorter leader, say a six footer with an eighteen inch tippet. This setup also works well in windy conditions. In deeper water like around rocks in the middle of a lake where there might be a dropoff I use a sinktip line with as long a leader as possible usually around ten feet. This is all subject to change if there is a lot of wind. Then I usually stay home and fly a kite!   Hope this is some help. A guy who knows one heck of a lot more than I do set me up this way and it seems to work.                                                         Best of luck,                                  J.Christian Decker,  Danville, NH

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

Largest flies needed for SMB are #4 streamers tied sparse, which a #7 fly line can carry to maximum range.  (If not, go one fly size smaller or one fly line size heavier.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I thought this group was for fly-fishermen, not Bass Masters.  I normally use a six weight line for streamers (sink tip) and an eight weight wf floating for poppers etc…

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I use anywhere from an eight weight down to a five. It depends on the stream and the fly that I want to fish with. My tippets will be from a 6x all the way to a 1x for the big ones! Jon Porter

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I have a couple of rods I use in freshwater in Michigan, I going to Nort Carolina for spring break and was going to fish on the shore and the bay between the outr banks and the coast. I heard never use  non salt water equipment in salt water.  The question is: Is this safe for the rod. What if I wash it every day. I can’t imagine the salt water effecting the anodised aluminum reel its an Orvis Madison and I also have a cheap Graphite Cabela reel. I cook spagetti noodles in salt water in an anodised aluminum pot and no ill effects yet. Am I worried about nothing. :-O

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You should be ok as long as you use fresh water to rinse it off after you get home.  You might want to use a line conditioner when you get all through just to put a good finish back on your line.  your flys may get a little corroded too especially if you file the points down.  no big loss there tie up a few extra bill

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I have a couple of rods I use in freshwater in Michigan, I going to Nort Carolina for spring break and was going to fish on the shore and the bay between the outr banks and the coast. I heard never use  non salt water equipment in salt water.  The question is: Is this safe for the rod. What if I wash it every day. I can’t imagine the salt water effecting the anodised aluminum reel its an Orvis Madison and I also have a cheap Graphite Cabela reel. I cook spagetti noodles in salt water in an anodised aluminum pot and no ill effects yet. Am I worried about nothing. :-O

I have used a big fresh water fly rod in salt water, and have had no problem.  I have washed it off with fresh water immediately after I finish fishing (even before the beers).  It has not rusted at all. That goes for the reel too.   However, I neglected to wash off my wading boots a couple of times and the eyelets have almost rusted away.   stefan m. Arlington, Texas Web Page:  http://rampages.onramp.net/~smarc

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That stuff should work just fine. What length and weight rod, that could be a bigger concern… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a couple of rods I use in freshwater in Michigan, I going to Nort Carolina for spring break and was going to fish on the shore and the bay between the outr banks and the coast. I heard never use  non salt water equipment in salt water.  The question is: Is this safe for the rod. What if I wash it every day. I can’t imagine the salt water effecting the anodised aluminum reel its an Orvis Madison and I also have a cheap Graphite Cabela reel. I cook spagetti noodles in salt water in an anodised aluminum pot and no ill effects yet. Am I worried about nothing. :-O

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: I have a couple of rods I use in freshwater in Michigan, I going to Nort : Carolina for spring break and was going to fish on the shore and the bay : between the outr banks and the coast. I heard never use  non salt water : equipment in salt water.  The question is: Is this safe for the rod. What : if I wash it every day. I can’t imagine the salt water effecting the : anodised aluminum reel its an Orvis Madison and I also have a cheap : Graphite Cabela reel. I cook spagetti noodles in salt water in an anodised : aluminum pot and no ill effects yet. Am I worried about nothing. :-O   The best thing to do is to make sure that you wash everything in fresh water and lots of it!   There is a product that I sell at Dame Julina Flyfishing in Columbus, Ohio. It is called dynaGlide. You spray this stuff all over your reels, rods, and other equipment. It is even safe for flylines! This stuff just plain works. It is something like WD-40, but better for the sportsman. Jon Porter

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I have a couple of rods I use in freshwater in Michigan, I going to Nort Carolina for spring break and was going to fish on the shore and the bay between the outr banks and the coast. I heard never use  non salt water equipment in salt water.  The question is: Is this safe for the rod. What if I wash it every day. I can’t imagine the salt water effecting the anodised aluminum reel its an Orvis Madison and I also have a cheap Graphite Cabela reel. I cook spagetti noodles in salt water in an anodised aluminum pot and no ill effects yet. Am I worried about nothing. :-O

Just rinse the guides well in fresh water.  dunk your reel in a bucket or sink full of fresh water.  as long as everything gets a fresh water bath and a chance to dry you should be okay.  be sure everything is dry before you pack it!

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

Would you perhaps be staying at the Caliper Lake Lodge? If so, talk to the owner (his name is Cleary (sp?)), he’ll be able to put you on the fish. We (my brothers & I) do a fly-in trip from there every fall. Caliper Lake is the take-off spot for us. Good Luck! Scott — — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — –

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

 Go out into Lake of the Woods if you can. There are some bays just a few  miles south of Nestor Falls with great Northern and Muskie fishing. Try  Mepps Giant Killers in fire tiger blade /black bucktail and rainbow blade  /minnow. That should get them interested. There are many areas out there  that hold good walleyes.  You might try Crow Lake if you’re interested in Muskies. Not many  Northerns there, but the Muskies are very underfished. The lake is mostly  noted for Lake Trout and so noone pays attention to anything else.  I fished the little lake just east of Nestor Falls – actually its more of  a river. Wouldn’t recommend it. Small fish and not many of them, except  for a few nice crappies.  Good luck,  Herb

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Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.  

Actually, my balance may not be the best, but even though I fall in the stream once in a while, I can still catch fish (unlike some people I know) which is the point of it anyway.  I prefer to stay dry while I catch these fish, but I don’t mind being a little wet.  Hey, I rather be catching fish while a little wet, than being dry and SKUNKED. -Cousin *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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I also have a Sage four piece and find its action as good as any two piece in the same price range that I’ve had the opportunity to cast. I almost went with a two piece instead, working on the (previously stated by someone else) theory that the rod case makes a great hiking staff. But then I also mountain bike to a few favorite spots and that 4-5′ rod case can be a might unwieldy strapped to a bike frame…   Ben

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason
to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads,
etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do
some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations,
consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX
                                              Ennis, MT

Also on short business trips it’s nice to have a small rod that fits in your suitcase or straps to your briefcase. -Clyde         ..            ..   \   (  \  ~     //  )  //        Bay Networks, Inc. "What do you mean, ‘NOT TONIGHT’!?"  

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

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Can’t imagine having only 1 Fly rod, but I have found that my 3pc Sage Casts better than my 2pc Sage of the same series. I believe that Sage has designed the ferrule as an enhancement to the rod

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I have been fishing a Scott 5-pc 9′ #6, 4-pc 8′ 6" #4, and a 4-pc 10′ #8. I have used them for over five years.  The y are the easiest to carry, transport and fike with.  I have never experienced any problems, dead spots, or breakage.  This year, Scott has introduced a lifetime, unconditional guarantee.

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

I agree, fly rods are like golf clubs, you need a different one for every conceivable situation. John Carmichael

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I bought a Sage 590 LL 4 piece travel rod last year and I like the way it casts and it sure is easier to travel with then the 2 piece version. I can carry this one on the airplane (fits in overhead storage) and know that it will arrive at my destination.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. — Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.   Later. —

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                         Brian

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                    Brian

Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                       Brian Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

A time ago I had serious plans on buying a Thomas & Thomas Horizon travel rod. I had tried the 2 pc and wanted a 4 pc if it was as good as the 2 pc. The xtra money did not matter to me then. After trying the 4 pc I was very disappointed and bought the 2 pc, a T&T HS864. I think that if you can find a 4 pc rod you like a lot, buy it, but don’t buy a rod that you ‘almost’ want just because it is 4 pc. It’s worth the trouble carrying the 2 pc when you travel. Good luck. /Key | Key Hyckenberg                        |                       | | http://www.csd.uu.se/~m91key/         |                       | | University of Uppsala, Sweden         |                       | | Department of Mathematics             |         – L P Deutsch | |                                                               | | **** A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work **** | |                                                               |

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My recommendation is: By a travel rod!!!! with two piece rods. There are a huge selection of excellent three and four piece rods available on the market. Tight lines! Inge

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I agree with Andrew.  I have taken my two piece rods, an eight foot four weight and a ten foot seven weight, to alaska six times.  There has never been a problem.  It was not at all difficult.  The rod tubes will fit in the overhead compartments on most jets.  Traveling on commercial airlines is not a reason just to buy short or multi-piece rods. Just my $0.0212 (thats two cents plus 6% Michigan sales tax) worth. Steve

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads, etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations, consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

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As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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| In some cases, rainbows have been stocked into rivers. One | example of this is the River Derwent which is a tributary of | the River Tyne here in the NE of England. The Tyne, I should | point out is now a rapidly improving salmon river now that | estuary pollution has been cleared up (!!almost!!). | I thought the Wye in Derbyshire was the only English river with a natural population of rainbows. If the Derwent has them reproducing, i would love to hear more. Of course, most of the chalk-streams have been ruined by overstocking of both rainbows and browns. | | There have, however, been some reports of rainbows being | caught at sea by commercial fishermen but these have been | ignored by the government agencies responsible for overseeing | fisheries (Ministry of Agriculture & Fisheries aka MAFF and | the National Rivers Authority aka NRA) who apparently just | didn’t believe it possible until one had been slapped across | the table. Give me a ring about this, at work — 071-956-1682 — and I willput you through to my frinsd the rural affairs correspondent. It would make a good story if we talked to kthe netsman. | | Yesterday evening I was talking with a local netsman who told | me he had been catching quite a number recently and had just | succeeded in convincing the NRA that they existed. These fish | are, according to this guy, akin to steelheads with a mouth | full of teeth, and are voracious feeders. Furthermore they are | not small, running to several pounds. Completely different | from the tame little fish reservoir anglers are used to!! | | What worries me about this is the possibility that these | things are going to start running up our salmon rivers. I | don’t know if they’re going to continue feeding in freshwater. | If so, on what? Not nymphs and flies I expect, unless they | lose those teeth. In Denmark and Southern Sweden, many of the rivers with trout farms on them have a run of steelhead, too. Certainly the Goeta Aelv (which runs through Gothenburg) did. We used to catch them occaionally in the stuary while trying for sea trout. They did not real harm: certainly a lot less than the greedy touristic masses of stocked, non-migratory fish. — Religious Affairs Correspondent | phone +44-71-253-1222 xt 1682 | London, England                 | I’m not paid to have opinions |

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Informed opinion has it that these fish will not breed naturally in our waters and the presence of overwintered, egg bound females in the early part of our season (March) would seem to confirm this.

Aren’t they spring spawners? If so then March would be pre spawn period. Anyways, it may be just possible that they are laying eggs but the habitat does not induce success. Would there be a clear creek for one of the lakes that they could run for spawning? What worries me about this is the possibility that these things are going to start running up our salmon rivers. I don’t know if they’re going to continue feeding in freshwater. If so, on what? Not nymphs and flies I expect, unless they lose those teeth.

Steelhead are spring spawners by nature and will eventually revert back to spring spawning after several generations. This means most will run the rivers in the spring. But some run the rivers in the fall holding overwinter. The fall runners would probably feed on loose salmon eggs, insects, minnows. But during winter their metabolism is slow and would suspect they don’t feed much. In the sea they feed to grow but in the river they would feed to sustain energy spent. So can I ask you all for some info about these things in the wild?? 1. If they do run our rivers and continue to feed avidly, will they threaten existing fish stocks of salmonids by feeding on eggs, fry or smolts.

I doubt this especially if you have a healthy run of salmons. 2. What breeding conditions do they need?

Same as a salmon but they probably would have a higher fry success rate than salmon. 3. Do they run a river, breed and die/return to the sea like atlantic salmon?

Run, spawn, return. or 4. Will they run up a river, graze until the larders empty and then return to the sea?

No! This could be a real problem for us, I’d appreciate some or any info you might have. Finally, In the event the River Tyne ends up with a steelhead run know any good fly patterns??  =8-(

Anything black works here, nymphs, wigglers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tight lines

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Hi! In the UK our experience with rainbows has, in the past, been largely limited to stillwaters (mostly reservoirs), which are stocked with hatchery reared fish at intervals. I understand, **though I may be completely wrong on this**, that two basic types (shasta and steelhead) were imported into this country a number of years ago but that insufficient care/understanding by breeders has lead to a thorough mixing of the two. What we have now, in nearly all stillwaters, are, as you can guess, pretty poor specimens which apparently bear absolutely NO RESEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER to the REAL thing. You can, however, still pick up obviously different fish which, presumeably, relate more closely to either of the wild types. Informed opinion has it that these fish will not breed naturally in our waters and the presence of overwintered, egg bound females in the early part of our season (March) would seem to confirm this. In some cases, rainbows have been stocked into rivers. One example of this is the River Derwent which is a tributary of the River Tyne here in the NE of England. The Tyne, I should point out is now a rapidly improving salmon river now that estuary pollution has been cleared up (!!almost!!). There have, however, been some reports of rainbows being caught at sea by commercial fishermen but these have been ignored by the government agencies responsible for overseeing fisheries (Ministry of Agriculture & Fisheries aka MAFF and the National Rivers Authority aka NRA) who apparently just didn’t believe it possible until one had been slapped across the table. Yesterday evening I was talking with a local netsman who told me he had been catching quite a number recently and had just succeeded in convincing the NRA that they existed. These fish are, according to this guy, akin to steelheads with a mouth full of teeth, and are voracious feeders. Furthermore they are not small, running to several pounds. Completely different from the tame little fish reservoir anglers are used to!! What worries me about this is the possibility that these things are going to start running up our salmon rivers. I don’t know if they’re going to continue feeding in freshwater. If so, on what? Not nymphs and flies I expect, unless they lose those teeth. So can I ask you all for some info about these things in the wild?? 1. If they do run our rivers and continue to feed avidly, will they threaten existing fish stocks of salmonids by feeding on eggs, fry or smolts. 2. What breeding conditions do they need? 3. Do they run a river, breed and die/return to the sea like atlantic salmon? or 4. Will they run up a river, graze until the larders empty and then return to the sea? This could be a real problem for us, I’d appreciate some or any info you might have. Finally, In the event the River Tyne ends up with a steelhead run know any good fly patterns??  =8-( Tight lines

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…two basic types (shasta and steelhead) were imported…

For *trout*, I believe most of Europe was stocked with "Eagle Lake" rainbow – a lake not far from Shasta in California, USA. For *steelhead*, I could only guess you have the Skamania steelhead from Washington State, USA.   It has been selected for transplant all over because of its suitability with hatchery operations (i.e. cheap and easy to raise). Trout and steelhead are different critters.   Trout are landlocked, and steelhead are typically sea-run, though if you landlock them, they’d probably do fine – the great lakes in the U.S. are an example where they do just fine, and make runs, the only difference is their ocean is freshwater. What we have now … apparently bear absolutely NO RESEMBLANCE …

The U.S. was stocked primarly with two strains of brown trout from Europe.   Old timers said it was once possible to tell them apart. Now they too have interbred and don’t look quite like the real thing.   Still fun to catch though Informed opinion has it that these fish will not breed naturally in our waters and the presence of overwintered, egg bound females in the early part of our season (March) would seem to confirm this.

Rainbows and cutthroat are spring spawners. Steelhead spawn from fall to spring, depending on latitude.   I suspect you’re close to Oregon and Washington – winter (December) through spring (late April) spawning. Only guessing – stocking stillwaters isn’t too successful (spawning wise) for trout.    Most lakes for example in Oregon, were stocked with trout in the 1920’s, or there abouts, and require repeat stockings every few years.   Only those lakes with small creeks incoming, or gravel banks with lots of hydrodynamics, seem to maintain populations without stocking. Rivers however, trout stock fairly easily.   Ditto steelhead if they have a large body of stillwater and running water to run between. There have, however, been some reports of rainbows being caught at sea by commercial fishermen …..

Wouldn’t surprise me. Some Atlantic Salmon were raised next to a coastal stream in Washington State – some accidently got into the river.   Recently, there have been reports of *large* Atlantic Salmon being caught.   I could imagine the Steelhead in Europe finally establishing themselves. What worries me about this is the possibility that these things are going to start running up our salmon rivers. I don’t know if they’re going to continue feeding in freshwater. If so, on what? Not nymphs and flies I expect, unless they lose those teeth.

I don’t know the spawning period for Atlantics.   Read the article enclosed below – there will certainly be competition at some points in the life cycle.   BTW – Young steelhead (egg – alvein – parr – smolt) are aggressive feeders of anything while in fresh water, which is usually from 6 to 24 months, some 36 months. 1. If they do run our rivers and continue to feed avidly, will they threaten existing fish stocks of salmonids by feeding on eggs, fry or smolts.

Adult Steelhead only come into fresh water to spawn, and don’t feed much.   Also, unlike Atlantics, they don’t do as much repeat spawning. In a given run, maybe 35% are one time repeaters, 10% two time. 2. What breeding conditions do they need?

For Steelhead, Very fast tailout water – 3 to 5 mph or up to 8 kph.  Small gravel in tributaries.   For early incoming steelhead, deep holding pools prior to the spawning season. 3. Do they run a river, breed and die/return to the sea like atlantic salmon?

Yep, except more Atlantic repeat the process. 4. Will they run up a river, graze until the larders empty and then return to the sea?

What’s a larder? know any good fly patterns??  =8-(

Many Atlantic Salmon patterns have been modified for Steelhead. Thomas Gilg FYI – From a back issue of our clubs newsletter:                 Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers Newsletter VOLUME X NO.5                                           May 1993 *** Introduction to Stream Habitat Improvement *** Summarized and adapted by Frank Cochrane from ODF&W publication "An Introduction to Stream Habitat Improvement" For a stream to produce large numbers of trout or salmon, the stream habitat must be in good condition.  This requires cold, clean water, food, and cover.  Most of Oregon’s streams have been degraded by man’s activities.  Therefore, the streams cannot support as many fish as they once could. Loss of spawning gravels, rearing areas, streamside vegetation, instream woody debris, and access to productive areas are some of the major results of man’s careless treatment of the aquatic environment. Many of those problems can be overcome in sections of some streams through habitat improvement projects.  The Conservation Committee is presently looking into possibilities for meaningful projects by the Mid Willamette Fly Fishers to improve the aquatic habitat in some of the nearby streams — and improve our fishing opportunities.  The material below gives an introduction to the basic principles of stream habitat improvement. The "Bottleneck Concept" If some limiting factor exists, a stream’s fish production is restricted or "bottlenecked".  Fish numbers are lower than optimum as a result.  Here are two examples:    o If spawning area is limited, spawning success is low.      Therefore, fish numbers are restricted by the small      number of eggs that hatch and develop into fry.    o If the rearing area is poor or the food supply is      inadequate, the fish become stunted or their numbers      are reduced.  Therefore, the mature fish are not      healthy, or there are not many mature fish. In either case, fish numbers cannot be increased until the stream habitat is improved and the bottleneck is reduced. It is important to understand what is limiting fish production in a particular situation so that efforts to increase the numbers of fish are not misdirected and wasted. What are common Habitat Problems?    o Water Quality.  Temperatures may be too high for trout      or salmon.  Various types of pollution may be having a      negative effect on fish and aquatic insect production.    o Barriers to Production Areas.  These may be either      natural, such as falls or log jams, or man- made, such      as dams and improperly installed culverts.    o Abused Riparian Zone.  Overgrazing, logging, road      building, and urban development often result in loss of      streamside vegetation.  Good plant growth along a      stream provides shade that helps keep water cool,      reduces erosion and silt loads, and contributes insects      to the fish food supply.    o Lack of Spawning Area.  Some streams lack suitable      spawning areas because of scouring by floods, channel      alterations from human activity, or the lack of proper      size gravels in the stream.    o Inadequate Juvenile Rearing Areas.  A mixture of      riffles and pools, undercut streambanks, side channels,      and instream boulders plus a certain amount of large      woody structures are necessary to provide juvenile fish      with an environment for survival and growth.    o Adult Holding Areas are Missing.  Adult fish need pools      for hiding and resting.  This is especially true for      some salmon and steelhead that return several months      before spawning.  Many streams lack sufficient holding      pools for adults. How to Conduct a Project to Improve Stream Habitat Each project to improve stream habitat requires individual consideration to tailor it to the need and the site.  The steps below are essential for a successful project.   1. Identify the Problem.  Before starting a project to      improve stream habitat, we need to find out where and      what is needed, with the help and guidance of ODF&W or      other fishery professionals.  Stream surveys must be      done to collect appropriate information, and the      results must be evaluated.  What are the bottlenecks?   2. Prescribe a Treatment.  We should determine what      actions can be taken to reduce the bottlenecks.   3. Treat the Bottlenecks.  The treatment prescribed above      is then carried out.   4. Evaluate the Results.  Is the treatment accomplishing      the desired result?  We should consider both short and      long term effects.  Are there more healthy fish in the      stream?  Are there lessor bottlenecks that need      treatment?   5. Maintain the Habitat Improvement.  Periodic inspection      and maintenance may be needed to ensure the retention      of any beneficial effect. It is sometimes tempting to get in too big of a hurry to do Steps 1, 4 and 5.  Let’s not fall into that trap! Look for more from the Conservation Committee in the near future concerning projects to improve stream habitat — and to improve fishing opportunities at the same time.

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