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dammit scott……. i hate these reports that remind me of my misspent youth. sannibel and captiva…. wonderful places… –waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Of course, it’s been so long since I’ve dealt with a spinning rod that my line hand kept reflexively picking up the monofil from the open bale.  Made a mess, but my friend really got a kick out of it-  he’ll be making fun of me for a long time.  Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.  We stopped at most water control structures, and avoided some good spots to avoid giving them away.  My friend fishes this area at least three days a week, and knows it like the back of his hand. Saw tons of mullet, which look like they’d be quite takable with a 3-5 weight and a scud.  Saw some large tarpon rolling.  Caught some snapper. Had to be careful about hooking the cormorants.  Not much snook available. Seems like we didn’t hit the tide right, but my time was limited, so we went anyway.  Had a beautiful day on the water, getting some sun, and catching up on a friendship gone by too long. Saw the park’s resident saltwater croc, the huge white pelican that is too old to migrate, some softshelled turtles (had to stop to assist one off the road), and some big birds with yellow feet that seemed quite impressive to those who pulled over to take pictures.  The island is like a jungle, just a beautiful place with large tracts of forever wild areas.  Highly recommend it.  Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Scott

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

Forget the spinning rod!  HAND-SIZED shrimp tossed at snook?  Now that’s a waste of good food. Mu

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

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After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island.

Was that "deer on friends?"  Some cabalistic rites? I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end.

Two vehicles, crammed into one space?  Ding Darling?  Is that some gay latino strip club? Tell me again, which end was up against a live shrimp? Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.

Drive by snooking.  Hey, we used to do that in L.A.! Saw some large tarpon rolling.

Big bamboo? Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod.

Hey, this IS a fly fishing group, ya moke! Scott

Sounds like a good trip.  Thanks for sharin’.  Will see you and Penns! Your resident smartass Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott

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@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com: After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. Was that "deer on friends?"  Some cabalistic rites? I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Two vehicles, crammed into one space?  Ding Darling?  Is that some gay latino strip club?

Frank– I said Sannibel, not Key West!! Tell me again, which end was up against a live shrimp?

Does your question have anything to do with some experience at a latino strip club??  :-) Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook. Drive by snooking.  Hey, we used to do that in L.A.! Saw some large tarpon rolling. Big bamboo?

Nah, tarpon have tried that in the past, but they have a huge problem with canoeing, being at best half underwater and all.  Tarpon are thus largely on the straight and narrow, but not by choice.  They have been known to quickly enjoy margaritas, before the ice melts, of course, and being in salt water, they have no need for salt on the rim. Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Hey, this IS a fly fishing group, ya moke! Scott Sounds like a good trip.  Thanks for sharin’.  Will see you and Penns! Your resident smartass Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Yeah, see ya at Penns.  If it would ever stop snowing here, I’ll seam-seal my tent. Scott

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Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott OK BTW meeting went very well Program was outstanding, did you know Mike could not be there ?? I ran the meeting, you know when the cats away the mice will play, we had FUN

Glad to hear it.  I was a little worried about things when I bumped into Mike in the airport in Chicago!! Scott

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Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott

OK BTW meeting went very well Program was outstanding, did you know Mike could not be there ?? I ran the meeting, you know when the cats away the mice will play, we had FUN

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After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Of course, it’s been so long since I’ve dealt with a spinning rod that my line hand kept reflexively picking up the monofil from the open bale.  Made a mess, but my friend really got a kick out of it-  he’ll be making fun of me for a long time.  Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.  We stopped at most water control structures, and avoided some good spots to avoid giving them away.  My friend fishes this area at least three days a week, and knows it like the back of his hand. Saw tons of mullet, which look like they’d be quite takable with a 3-5 weight and a scud.  Saw some large tarpon rolling.  Caught some snapper.   Had to be careful about hooking the cormorants.  Not much snook available.   Seems like we didn’t hit the tide right, but my time was limited, so we went anyway.  Had a beautiful day on the water, getting some sun, and catching up on a friendship gone by too long. Saw the park’s resident saltwater croc, the huge white pelican that is too old to migrate, some softshelled turtles (had to stop to assist one off the road), and some big birds with yellow feet that seemed quite impressive to those who pulled over to take pictures.  The island is like a jungle, just a beautiful place with large tracts of forever wild areas.  Highly recommend it.  Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Scott

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Wouldn’t  that be a white wine to go with the nits? Small point but arn’t the chimps actually culling the nits rather that picking them? Dave

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[deleted] Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana (with an assist by Euripides & Thucydides)

So *that’s* why my backcast snags the same damned limb of the same damned tree two (and more) casts in a row !.  Euripedes must have been a dry fly fisherman… — TimW

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<snipped it finally settles in at $242. Two Hundred Forty-Two friggin’ dollars for a $30 slice of a company that doesn’t earn squat.

Our President was listed as a developer for VA Research and was able to purchase 140 shares at the IPO price.  I foresee improvements in his fishing equipment for a long time to come. bc.

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So *that’s* why my backcast snags the same damned limb of the same damned tree two (and more) casts in a row !.  Euripedes must have been a dry fly fisherman…

This reminds me of a funny thing that happened astream. I was fishing with Wayno on Dick’s Creek. The arrangement was that one person would fish till he caught a fish then the other guy would fish since both of us couldn’t fish this tiny stream at the same time. We slithered through the laurel, slunk over the rocks and finally came to small pool surrounded completely by brush. Wayno in his best stealth mode got into position, made a perfect cast and got a strike. When he went to set the hook he missed and the fly lodged in the brush behind him. "Forty, come over here and give it a try" he whispered. "If I stand up to get that fly I’ll spook this pool." I crawled over next to Wayno, made a good cast and got a strike. When I went to set the hook I missed and my fly lodged in the brush just inches from Wayno’s. There we were, staring at a pool with at least one or two fat little rainbows in it and we both had our flies in the brush behind us with no way to retrieve them without putting down the fish. Flyfishin’ in The Old North State, what a hoot. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities?

Beanie Babies. I’m bettin’ the farm on Beanie Babies. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities? Beanie Babies. I’m bettin’ the farm on Beanie Babies.

Forget Beanie Babies, Ken. What you want to do is to short Beanie Baby futures. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’m sure the high-tech investors are quite smart and are making tons of dough. Personally, I’m scared of it. I like to buy stocks to stick in the back of the filing cabinet and forget about. With Anheuser I KNOW that someone, somewhere is drinking a LOT of Budweiser.

BUD (Anheuser Busch) has been a pretty good investment over the past couple of years. Not super spectacular, but decent. (Their web site isn’t Y2K compliant, so that alone gives me pause.) Before you write off high-tech stocks answer the following questions: 1. Do you think computers will be more important, less important, or about the same to the economy in the future? 2. Do you think the Internet’s importance will grow, shrink, or stay the same? If you think that high tech is just some passing fancy, so you’ve avoided investing in companies like Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Intuit, Adobe, Oracle, etc., etc., ad infinitum, then I’m afraid you’ve made some very ill-advised investment decisions. Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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… Based on Laueies father’s advice I plan to sleep in late the try to  catch the afternoon black fly hatch.   Have been hitting the bike so perhaps I will be able  to fish a couple of days without the knees giving out.

As I recall, Laurie’s dad recommended the early afternoon Blue Wing Olive hatch on the white water section of the Nantahalla. I’m still undecided whether he was trying to put us on to good fishing or kill Wayno. In either case, be careful out there, that’s some damn near impossible wading no matter how good your knees are. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Ken  you are probably right, anyone holding such a non profit high wrist stock is probably not very smart. …

Congratulations on finally retiring the "*". I’m sure the high-tech investors are quite smart and are making tons of dough. Personally, I’m scared of it. I like to buy stocks to stick in the back of the filing cabinet and forget about. With Anheuser I KNOW that someone, somewhere is drinking a LOT of Budweiser. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Ken  you are probably right, anyone holding such a non profit high wrist stock is probably not very smart. So I am selling half of my Linus stock, will have to pay to capital gains tax  but should still have e enough cash left to pay for my squaw’s new Jaguar and our trip to New Zealand. Leaving tomorrow morning for NC mountains for a few days bumming around. Based on Laueies father’s advice I plan to sleep in late the try to  catch the afternoon black fly hatch.   Have bee n hitting the bike so perhaps I will be able  to fish a couple of days without the knees giving out.

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Wouldn’t  that be a white wine to go with the nits? Small point but arn’t the chimps actually culling the nits rather that picking them? Dave

Nope, Beaujolais Nouveau

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: Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went : to. Sure they did. Look in the index under "Ponzi". That’s certainly an interesting observation. At the very least it’s "irrational exuberance". I’m like George Adams, I’m leery of high-tech stocks and have very little of them.

Unfortunately for you and George and Jonathan, Ken, that means you’re missed one of the best investment opportunities in history. And it isn’t over. Not by a long shot. I haven’t seen the post that started this thread. I assume it referred to the LNUX IPO (VA Linux). In my opinion you’d be nuts to buy it now, when it’s well over 200. When it goes below 80 or even 100 look out. What the Linux market frenzy illustrates is the hatred and fear the industry has for Microsoft. People want an alternative to Windows, and along comes one that’s not only better than Windows, but it’s also free! What more could you ask? The only thing Linux lacks right now is a large, diverse set of applications. If Linux continues to take off, look for investments in Linux application developers. About flyfishing: My thanks to Bob, who who not only sent me several nice bonefish flies, but also sent complete tieing materials and an 2-page list of Christmas Island tips. I owe you one, buddy. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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: Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went : to. Sure they did. Look in the index under "Ponzi".

That’s certainly an interesting observation. At the very least it’s "irrational exuberance". I’m like George Adams, I’m leery of high-tech stocks and have very little of them. — Ken Fortenberry

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There we were, staring at a pool with at least one or two fat little rainbows in it and we both had our flies in the brush behind us with no way to retrieve them without putting down the fish.

Exactly why you should always carry a ‘pocket fisherman’<g. — Charlie…

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You guys both need de-lousing.  Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace.

Alas, I’m neither graceful nor familial enough to be a chimp<g. — Charlie…

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Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie…

You guys both need de-lousing.  Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace. Mu

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Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie… You guys both need de-lousing.  Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace.

I think that’s what we’ve been witnessing, Mu…

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Maybe a paraphrase of: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana (with an assist by Euripides & Thucydides) — Ken Fortenberry

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Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? —

YOU DA MAN ! — Ken Fortenberry

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Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s

Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie…

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The scary thing is that the same type of thing occurred in the 1920’s with the hot technology of the time…..radio. There were all sorts of predictions of the way radio would change the world and generate millions in profits for those that invested early, and millions jumped on the bandwagon. When it became apparent the the stocks were vastly overpriced, the bubble burst, and this was one of many financial disasters that contibuted to the crash of 1929. I’m not predicting another crash, but I don’t have a whole lot invested in technology stocks. "Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them" ___unknown George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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"Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them" ___unknown

Maybe a paraphrase of: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana — Charlie…

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rw posted here on the 7th about VA Linux (VA Lnx on the NASDAQ) going public on the 8th. Now VA puts together some nice boxes, does a real good job of configuring a nice system with just as many bells & whistles as you need and no more, but they don’t make any money at it. That’s right, a quote from their prospectus: "We do not expect to generate sufficient revenues to achieve profitability and therefore we expect to continue to incur net losses for the foreseeable future." So a company that doesn’t make money and doesn’t expect to make money in the future, makes an IPO of 4.4 million shares at $30 a share and traders bid the price up to $320 a share !! before it finally settles in at $242. Two Hundred Forty-Two friggin’ dollars for a $30 slice of a company that doesn’t earn squat. Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went to. — Ken Fortenberry- buying some more Anheuser-Busch instead

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Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me. Ashman

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Check for local Trout unlimited chapters…….good place to start networking so to speak…….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me. Ashman

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Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me.

Edmonton eh?   You lucky dog; you get to listen to CKUA all the time.   I only get the Real Audio feed when I’m at my computer. Joe

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I’ve used the Bucks Bronco and like the newer models a lot.  I own a JW Outfitters Voyager and it is one tough boat that can handle Class III water with ease.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom: I also have a Buck’s Bronco and also bought it partly because of the stainless frame.  My *only* minor complaint is the ratchet mechanism for the anchor.  Either mine doesn’t operate correctly or I’ve never figured out how to use it right.  It really doesn’t drop the anchor very easily. Other than that, I love the thing.  I’ve used it on streams here in Utah as well as Idaho & Wyoming and it’s great.  It has 8′ pontoons and I’ve had it on the Green, the Snake, and the South Fork, all pretty good-sized streams. I always wear a life vest, partly because I’m still not that experienced a boatman.  My dream is to take it on a camping float in Alaska. Good storage capacity, easy to inflate & deflate, sturdy and well-built.  If I deflate it about 3/4 of the way, it will slide fully-assembled right in the back of my SUV so carrying it is a breeze.  It really doesn’t even take long at all to figure out the rowing/kicking/maneuvering. I would say that you will occasionally find yourself pointed a different direction from where you want to cast (I do, anyway), but that can be part of the fun. Bob Bob

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Look into the Outcast PAC line. The 8′ and 10′ are great. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom:  I’ve used the Buck’s Bag Bronco and Southfork models on the Clark Fork and Bitteroot, and they have been great, although other brands no doubt will to the job.  They have 7ft pontoons, I think (haven’t measured).  Have taken them through some pretty rough water as well. Never felt the need for an anchor or a stripping apron, although the rear deck is perfect for a cooler.  Have fun – you will love it. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

I have a Yukon 2, by Leigh outdoor, and I work there as a part time job.  All of Leighs pontoon boats are made out of aluminum. (no rust) They tend to not be as heavy and are very strong.  We had a guy who came in who wanted one to run white water, he said he liked to fish on the side.  He ran it on the portion of the Snake below Jackson, and loved it.  I guess he ran that stretch 4 times in one day with it.  When he came back in he said that he tried to tip it over on "lunchcounter" or whichever one where the river narrows and is forced between two rock outcroppings. (its really big)  I guess he tried to go through side ways and front ways but to no avail so on the last try he through all of his weight backward and practically stood up on the foot pegs to get it to go over.  He claims he never had so much fun in his life.  It is a very sturdy boat.  Leigh makes a 10 footer for long trips as well.  It is the "gallatin".  The Yukon’s and Green river models are good for up to 3 day trips if you pack right. and are just fine for the 3 or 4 hour trip as well.  They pack down into a space of about 2 1/2 feet by 3 1/2 feet.  You can easily transport 2 in the trunk of a small car.  The unique thing is that the pontoons have a heavy inner tube in them.  (like a truck tube)  and are very durable.  All models have adjustable foot pegs that allows both big and small to be comfortable.  All the paint is powder coated on.   Not to bash other manufacturers but we have had so many calls about a certain manufacturers frames rusting out that our product designer at one time was thinking of making a frame that would fit on the competitors pontoons, but has since decided against doing so.  You don’t want a frame that has the potential to rust on you. Leigh frames carry a lifetime warrenty and are the only Coast Guard Certified pontoon boat that I know of.  They have many models to choose from and all the extra’s you can imagine.  Just find one that suited most to your needs.  If there is ever a problem you can call them and they will go to great lengths to see that you are pleased. When there is a problem and you have an upcomming trip, if they can’t fix it in time they will send you a loaner boat to get you through, until they can get your boat fixed up. Of course I’m not prejudice, I just work there.   They have a site but not all of their boats are listed, but you can call them and they will send you a catalog or tell you where the nearest supplier is or you can E-mail me and I’ll make sure you get a catalog. or http://www.b-mktg.com/leighhp/leighhp.htm or Leigh Outdoor Products 62 S. 950 W.  Brigham City UT 84302 1-435-734-0750 I hope you find the best boat for you. Shaun

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Low impact fires in wilderness areas are essential to the experience where legal.  Especially if your whipping up some fresh trout burrittos.  heavy emphasis on LOW IMPACT.         Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food.  While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow.  The fish was in bad shape.  I mean it was ripped almost in half.  I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then.         Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately.  Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted? JE

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       Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food.  While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow.  The fish was in bad shape.  I mean it was ripped almost in half.  I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then.        Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately.  Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?

- if you had trolled for kokanee with the same vigour you do for flames the sorry incident wouldn’t have happened; and you wouldn’t have to ask such a stupid question. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Ralph’s reaction: – if you had trolled for kokanee with the same vigour you do for flames the sorry incident wouldn’t have happened; and you wouldn’t have to ask such a stupid question. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.         I am stupid.  Very very stupid.  But the question?  It’s just a question.         Now, The Kokanee in Colorado do not reproduce in the wild and die naturally after their third or fourth season.  Harvest them while they’re firm.  There is good reason why the limit on snagged kokes is 40.         Rec.outdoors.fishing.snag.  That’d be a hell fire newsgroup aye?         Sorry Ralph.  I’ll be quiet now. JE

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Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately.  Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?

I am sure that they could retrieve it from the water on their own if the needed. You did the right thing. Regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group

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*SNIP* Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food. While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow.  The fish was in bad shape.  I mean it was ripped almost in half.  I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then.  Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately.  Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?

Hi Jon, Don’t think that trout was wasted.  Even though you didn’t get to eat it, nor did your/our furry friends, the algae and aquatic insects in the water did. It’s energy was recycled into the eco-system from which it came.  It just takes a place at the bottom of the aquatic food chain instead of at the top of it. If there are bears in your area, tossing fish in the bushes could also cause a problem with bears associating people with food.  That is never a good scenario and is a very real problem in CA. I hate to see incidental mortality like you describe, but when you’re snagging fish that’s going to happen.  I don’t like snagging and wouldn’t do it myself unless it was to keep from starving (big difference between subsistance and sport), but if it’s legal in your area, you have a right to do so.  The law requiring you to put back the incidentally caught trout is actually a good one.  If it allowed keeping incidentally snagged trout, pretty soon there would be a regular contingent out there specifically targeting the "incidental" trout.                                      Good Fishing,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Jim: In addition to the excellent suggestions made by Bob, I would suggest you also look at Cortland and Reddington.  Both make rod/reel/line combos, probably falling somewhere in between the low and medium price range.  Cortland’s usually includes a video that may be helpful.  Also, the Sage Discovery series has a combo that is worth a look that isn’t exhorbitantly priced.  All of those manufacturers will have dealers somewhere that should allow you to try the rods before buying, to see what feels best for you.  On the mail order side, Cabela’s has a number of combos available. Of course, a good fly shop will be able to work with you and put together a package that works too. Once you’ve got all that stuff, you’ll need some flies.  They seem to run between $1 and $2 apiece for decent flies where I live.  Hopefully you’ve already got some waders and wading shoes/boots. URL’s Cortland  <http://www.lightlink.com/cortland Cabela’s  <http://www.cabelas.com While looking at the combo packages, don’t think that because they are less expensive than the top of the line they are junk.  On the contrary. You may eventually want to move up in quality, but a good package from a good manufacturer should serve you in good stead for quite some time (until you just gotta have that high end Winston, Loomis, T & T etc. <grin) Good luck and happy shopping. Ron.

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Jim, It’s likely you may want to get more than one rod/reel combo to "cover the bases".  I don’t know exactly what you’re after, but I’d suggest a 5-weight and a 9-weight.  The 5 is incredibly versatile for trout and other freshwater fish, while the 9 will give you a great saltwater rod for bluefish, stripers, bonefish and permit, as well as offering you the opportunity to pull in some big steelhead.  You can get the whole nine yards from Orvis for around $400 for each rod/reel combo–and that includes the line and cases.  Of course, you’ll also want to invest in a good pair of waders, a vest, flies, etc…my advice would be to talk to a guide in the area where you will be doing most of your fishing. Enjoy. E

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Jim, It’s likely you may want to get more than one rod/reel combo to "cover the bases".  I don’t know exactly what you’re after, but I’d suggest a 5-weight and a 9-weight…

Jim, This is the beginning of the end. Once you’ve got the five weight and the nine weight, and a reel and line to go with each, and the jacket and the bags, and the flies and the boxes, you’ll be in too deep to get out. Like the rest of us. Andrew                     The History of Fly Fishing             http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim, It’s likely you may want to get more than one rod/reel combo to "cover the bases".  I don’t know exactly what you’re after, but I’d suggest a 5-weight and a 9-weight… Jim, This is the beginning of the end. Once you’ve got the five weight and the nine weight, and a reel and line to go with each, and the jacket and the bags, and the flies and the boxes, you’ll be in too deep to get out. Like the rest of us. Andrew                    The History of Fly Fishing            http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

        Dear new found friends- I really wanted to thank all of you for your generosity of time and advise- I’ve quite frankly been amazed at the number of you in the NG that were willing to spend the amount of time you have to help a total neophyte.  Of course I realized after receiving some response that I was too ignorant to have given you all any pertinent info about what the heck I might be trying to catch-Dah!!         So let me fill you in about who you were trying to help         I’m a 55 yr old about to retire dentist- and before any of you start to wonder about why I shoul give a darn about how much this stuff costs- I must add that I’m also in possesion of the first dollar I ever made- enough said.  I’m in Ohio and plan to fish local waters for smallmouth and panfish.  I also wish to fish for trout around the Petoskey, MI area and to accompany my 82 yr old uncle ( who is still an avid trout guy) out west.         The real reason for the post was that I had heard(my ignorance) stories about $2000 outfits.  So I went to the local sportschain store to see for myself what a flyrod actually looked and felt like. They had complete outfits that really looked to me to be kind of junky and the personnel had NOT a clue about flyfishing- even I figured that out.         So although I pretty much knew I didn’t want the junk I also wasn’t real keen on walking into a REAL shop and being talked into $2000 worth of stuff without any knowledge of the alternatives.  You guys have been so kind as to give me inumerable sorces of quqlity gear at reasonable getting started prices and for that I am very grateful!!         So thanks again for the input and you should be proud of your knowledge and the "art" that you share so willingly with others.                 With kindest personal regards,                                 Jim PS.  And Dr. Andrew- Sorry but I fear that I got in "too deep" several weeks ago in Michigan.  I stood on the banks of a small stream for quite a while watching entranced as one of your compatriots plied his magic with fly rod on the stream- it was very close to a spirtual experience that I believe I want to share beside all of you.

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   Could you please, if you have the time and inclination, list some tackle and gear combinations in perhaps three general price combinations- Low,Med, Top of the line.  I’d be interested in specific brand recommendations so that I can research these.

The gear market is quite a varied lot right now, so I’ll just give you some average rod/reel/line combo prices, okay? Bargain Basement End:   (Shakespeare, etc. ) $50 Low End:  (Orvis Clearwater, Bean Angler, etc.)  $150 Middle Ground:  $300 High End:  $600+ Ridiculous End: (custom bamboo, etc.)  $1500+ Depending upon your financial situation with your pending retirement, I’d recommend you jump in on the Low to Middle Ground.  I’m not sure what you’re fishing for, but for a standard trout rig, I’d recommend that you buy a decent rod, a top-end flyline, and a reel….in that order of importance.  (IMHO).  For fish under 6 lbs, with a reasonably stout tippet/leader, a click-pawl style reel will serve you nicely. For larger fish or lighter tippets, consider upgrading to a disc-drag style reel.  The more popular manufacturers/retailers in the industry today are Sage, Loomis, Orvis, LL Bean for rods.   I’d highly recommend trying a few rod/reel combinations from a local flyshop to see what type of action/length, etc. that you prefer.  The shop owners will also be able to point you to the other "necessities" which you’ll need.      Also, could you point me toward URL’s that have online catalog pricing or that I can order printed catalogs.

Here’s a couple that will start you on your research. www.llbean.com      (L.L. Bean….ask for a FFing Spec. Catalog) www.orvis.com     (Orvis….same as above) There are others online too , but both of these retailers have a range of products to illustrate the price ranges mentioned above. Good Luck! Bob Skehan

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   I’d be interested in some kind folks giving me some input as to the general start up costs involved in starting out on this adventure.  My it is very difficult- not to mention TIME consuming-to reply to- so I wouldn’t be suprised if I don’t catch anything from this post- we all have our time consrtaints- but let me thank you in advance if you are kind enough to reply.    Again, thank you for you kind consideration,            Regards, Jim

I think you’re making a good choice to get involved if flyfishing.  If nothing else, your retirement won’t be boring.   I don’t have any sage advice to pass on, but; I do have a short story. I read all of the books and learned to flyfish basically by myself.  I had been actively flyfishing (mostly once or twice a month) for about ten years.  We were visiting Reno NV. for a few months and I was really injoying the fishing in the Truckee River there.  I’d come home in the evening and tell my wife all of the great stuff I’d done and what a wonderful day I’d had.  After a while, she wanted to join in the fun.  She asked me if she minded if she learned to fish and came fishing wiht me.  I told her I would love it she joined me but, I was unsure of my ablilty to teach her to fish (I was also a little worried about the friction me teaching her to fish would cause). Being a very smart woman, she understood my position.  She got on the phone and called the fly shop in Reno (I don’t recall thier name but I think it’s the only one in town).  She explained her situation to them, and asked for help.  What they offered was simple, two days with and veteran guide and the use of thier equipment.  The first half of the first day was inside she learned the knots and terminology she needed.  After lunch, she learned to cast.  The next day, they fished. I don’t remember what she paid for this but it seems if was just a regular guide fee for two days.  After fishing, she was hooked and bought an outfit they recommended to her (actually a bargain clearout model they happened to have). After those two days of concentrated instruction, she could fish as well as I after all of my years of reading and trial and error.   It worked out perfectly for me.  I got a good fishing partner I enjoy being with and didn’t screw up a good marriagre trying to teach how to fish.  Not only that, her  being good has pushed me to learn more and take advice from everyone I see.  Since then (thats been about 12 years ago)  we have taken guided trips together and gone to classes that have interested us.  And of course, we have fished together and had some great times. So, I guess the morale of my story.  Hire someone that knows the sport to learn the basics.  Take thier advice on equipment.  If you fish in a new area hire a guide for a day and pick his brain as much as you can.  And above all, don’t get big headed and think you know more than the next guy you meet on the water.  His advice may be the one thing you need to have a good day.   Well hope my rambling didn’t go on too long, and good luck. Steve Russell

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        I’d be interested in some kind folks giving me some input as to the general start up costs involved in starting out on this adventure.  My background is some infrequent spinner baiting for bass and, of course, I’ve drowned a few worms in my time.  But I’m about to retire and want to enjoy some of the finer things in life- fly fishing has always appealed to my sense of imagination as the ultimate art form regarding a combination of sport mingled with a satisfying environmental experience- so I’d like to at least try my hand at it.         I have a general understanding from years of hard experience, that in many cases using inferior equiptment may NOT give me the degree of satisfaction that is possible when you have the finest- but there is a degree of practicality involved in jumping into anything new , so what I would really be interested in is this-         Could you please, if you have the time and inclination, list some tackle and gear combinations in perhaps three general price combinations- Low,Med, Top of the line.  I’d be interested in specific brand recommendations so that I can research these.         Also, could you point me toward URL’s that have online catalog pricing or that I can order printed catalogs.         I am quite aware that this is such an open ended question that it is very difficult- not to mention TIME consuming-to reply to- so I wouldn’t be suprised if I don’t catch anything from this post- we all have our time consrtaints- but let me thank you in advance if you are kind enough to reply.         Again, thank you for you kind consideration,                 Regards, Jim

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I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Check out the St. Croix Products I Think For your money they rate up their with poles hundreds of $ more. — Larry D. Madison Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry and nymph fishing. I would go to Silver Creek, about 45 min. southeast of Ketchum/Sun Valley. It is a spring creek and is very special. I would stop in Silver Creek Outfitters in Ketchum and get some good flies for that time period. Ask them what time of day to fish which flies. You will need a #3, #4 or soft #5 rod with a floating line. They usually have a Trico spinner fall in the morning starting somewhere around 8 am and ending well before noon depending on the weather. The mid-day is pretty tough, but 5/6pm ’til dark should be another good period. Many anglers stop by this area on the annual pilgrimage to Montana. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

There is also a little-known spring creek on the Fort Hall Indian Reservation about 10 miles north of Pocatello, Idaho. you need a tribal permit, which last I knew was $10.00/day. This is a sizable piece of water which flows into American Falls Reservoir. Very prolific Pale Morning Dun hatches (Ephemerella Infrequens) mostly size 16 also E. Doddsi size 18. Educated fish along with masking hatches etc. good challenge. Not far out of the way if a person is at Silver Creek, about 3 hours drive. Jim Nelson

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: I would go to Silver Creek, about 45 min. southeast of Ketchum/Sun Valley. It is : a spring creek and is very special. I would stop in Silver Creek Outfitters in : Ketchum and get some good flies for that time period. Ask them what time of day : to fish which flies. You will need a #3, #4 or soft #5 rod with a floating line. I believe there is now a Silver Creek Outfitters down by the creek, on the road to Ketchum.  It might be something else, but I seem to recall it is Silver Creek Outfitters. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry and nymph fishing. I would go to Silver Creek, about 45 min. southeast of Ketchum/Sun Valley. It is a spring creek and is very special. I would stop in Silver Creek Outfitters in Ketchum and get some good flies for that time period. Ask them what time of day to fish which flies. You will need a #3, #4 or soft #5 rod with a floating line. They usually have a Trico spinner fall in the morning starting somewhere around 8 am and ending well before noon depending on the weather. The mid-day is pretty tough, but 5/6pm ’til dark should be another good period. Many anglers stop by this area on the annual pilgrimage to Montana. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY There is also a little-known spring creek on the Fort Hall Indian Reservation about 10 miles north of Pocatello, Idaho. you need a tribal permit, which last I knew was $10.00/day. This is a sizable piece of water which flows into American Falls Reservoir. Very prolific Pale Morning Dun hatches (Ephemerella Infrequens) mostly size 16 also E. Doddsi size 18. Educated fish along with masking hatches etc. good challenge. Not far out of the way if a person is at Silver Creek, about 3 hours drive. Jim NelsonEvery river is going to be raging until August or September.  Put your

trip off until then or look to fish the lakes, ie. Henry’s lake Guy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry and nymph fishing. I would go to Silver Creek, about 45 min. southeast of Ketchum/Sun Valley. It is a spring creek and is very special. I would stop in Silver Creek Outfitters in Ketchum and get some good flies for that time period. Ask them what time of day to fish which flies. You will need a #3, #4 or soft #5 rod with a floating line. They usually have a Trico spinner fall in the morning starting somewhere around 8 am and ending well before noon depending on the weather. The mid-day is pretty tough, but 5/6pm ’til dark should be another good period. Many anglers stop by this area on the annual pilgrimage to Montana. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY There is also a little-known spring creek on the Fort Hall Indian Reservation about 10 miles north of Pocatello, Idaho. you need a tribal permit, which last I knew was $10.00/day. This is a sizable piece of water which flows into American Falls Reservoir. Very prolific Pale Morning Dun hatches (Ephemerella Infrequens) mostly size 16 also E. Doddsi size 18. Educated fish along with masking hatches etc. good challenge. Not far out of the way if a person is at Silver Creek, about 3 hours drive. Jim NelsonEvery river is going to be raging until August or September.  Put your trip off until then or look to fish the lakes, ie. Henry’s lake Guy

 In most cases the high water doesn’t have a large effect on the spring creeks. The spring creeks on the Fort Hall reservation do rise and become somewhat off-color, but they do remain fishable.  I was told, since my earlier post, that the tribe is now limiting the number of permits sold, and that all the available season permits have been sold. I don’t know this for sure, nor do I know if daily permits are still available. Before a person came here to fish it would be prudent to call the Fort Hall Tribal headquarters and find out. Jim N.

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Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry and nymph fishing.

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: Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry : and nymph fishing. Which part… it’s a big state.  And like night and day. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Robert, I’m going out in July…I plan to go to the Big Wood River & Silver Creek in the south central part of Idaho.  Never been exactly there, but I’ve read a couple of favorable things about the area and it looks like a good destination.  Most of my 13 day trip is in Montana, but this looks a good diversion.   Ray Palmer

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Want to fly fish Idaho in July. Dont know where to go.Any suggestions?Dry and nymph fishing.

I would go to Silver Creek, about 45 min. southeast of Ketchum/Sun Valley. It is a spring creek and is very special. I would stop in Silver Creek Outfitters in Ketchum and get some good flies for that time period. Ask them what time of day to fish which flies. You will need a #3, #4 or soft #5 rod with a floating line. They usually have a Trico spinner fall in the morning starting somewhere around 8 am and ending well before noon depending on the weather. The mid-day is pretty tough, but 5/6pm ’til dark should be another good period. Many anglers stop by this area on the annual pilgrimage to Montana. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Join us for dinner at a new soul-food restaurant, after we surf the rapids on inner tubes in the Catskill Mountains on Saturday, Sept 14      Our 26th adventure will be appreciated by the thrill seekers everywhere.  Several times a year, a dam is opened in the Catskill Mountains.  This results in a tidal wave surging down the Esopus Creek.  Whitewater enthusiasts seize upon this moment to shoot these rapids on truck inner tubes.  If you seek an adrenalin rush, read on.      Our car pool will take us on a 2.6 hour trip to Phoenicia, New York, a village of 970 in the Catskill Mountains.  It is west of Woodstock, New York and south of Hunter Mountain (elevation, 4,025 feet).  The Phoenicia Business Association claims that they are the "northeast’s tubing capital".  In fact, they are blessed with no less than three (count ‘em) tube rental companies.  Phoenicia also boasts of "world class" fly fishing, although fishing for flies never appealed to us.        After we arrive in Phoenicia, we will board a shuttle van operated by the Rubber Ducky Tube Rental Company (no, we are not making the name up).  It will take us to the headwaters of the Esopus Creek.  Those fluent in the Mohawk Indian dialect will know "Esopus" means fast water.  Those not fluent but not legally blind will realize this anyhow.  The Esopus feeds the Ashokan Reservoir, which is a source of New York City drinking water.  So it’s clean.      Rubber Ducky will provide us with helmets, foot protectors (old sneakers, really) and thickly padded life jackets.  After being suitably atTired for tubing (no pun intended), we will assume a reclining diaper position in a modified truck tire inner tubes. They will have rope handles (hold on tight!) and a seat.      The seat is just a wood board, but it protects your buns against unsightly bruises, thereby saving you from embarrassing questions from your significant other.  But you can expect minor bruises and scrapes on other body parts.  You may want to bring knee pads.        Your next 100 minutes on the Esopus Creek will give you a deeper appreciation of what it would be like to be a pair of underpants during the spin cycle.  With of course, a scenic view of the Catskill Mountains.  Among the sights you can see is the twisted wreck of a steel railroad trestle, which was nearly washed away by the raging waters of the Esopus.      Lest we scare you away from doing this trip, we feel duty bound to advise you that we tubed the Esopus on our 14th outing on June 22nd, with no loss of life or ill effects.  Indeed, everyone wanted to do it again.  Admittedly, we did not go when there was a dam opening.  However, Rubber Ducky tells us that tubing is a lot smoother when there is a dam opening.  This is because the water level is higher, so there are less rocks to bump into, and hence, there is less chance you will be spilled into the water.  The water, however, is faster, making for a quicker, and more fun ride.      Our deal with Rubber Ducky includes unlimited rides upstream on their shuttle to the casting-off point.  So you can do the ride down the Esopus over and over again, for just $13, everything included.  We will stay until our third and last run is completed between 6:00 pm and 6:30 pm.        Lunch:  After our first run, we will eat lunch together.  The Phoenicia Business Association says the village has "great" restaurants.  We found one nice outdoor cafe which served decent brick oven pizza.        Dinner:  We will have dinner at about 9 pm at Mr. Tony’s Soul Kitchen, 337 East 9th Street.  It was reviewed in the New York Times by Eric Asimov on September 6, 1996 (excerpted below):      New York Times best dishes recommendations:  Salmon cakes, green salad, sweet potato pancakes, soups, chicken fried steak, sauteed trout, grilled tuna, fried chicken breast, watermelon sorbet, flourless chocolate cake, fruit cobblers.      "And word is slowly getting around about the food, which inspired by Southern traditions but is completely contemporary American cooking.  Dinners start with a basket of corn bread, neither dry nor greasy, sometimes blended with cheddar cheese, other times with jalapeno.  The menu is small but has some significant standouts, like fresh salmon cakes ($7.95) with crisp, wonderfully delicate skins, served with a dill remoulade and a nice little green salad.  A bigger green salad ($5.75) is terrific, topped with walnuts and little buttons of goat cheese.  Crisp sweet-potato pancakes ($5.25) look big and awkward, but they are delicious, served with a chunky, spicy apple sauce.      Me. Tony’s "painstaking prepared soup du jour" ($5) earns its name.  One day it’s a corn-and-leek chowder with a lingering smoky taste.  Another day it’s a peppery cream of broccoli soup with a lasting, multidimensional flavor.  Main courses all come with creamy mashed potatoes and a vegetable.  I ordered chicken fried steak ($11.95), imagining truck-stop fare best washed down with high-octane coffee; I was astonished to find a real steak in a delicate breading with a dainty cream gravy and glazed carrots.  A special of grilled tuna steak au poivre ($13.95) came rare and very peppery in a sweet blend of port wine and soy sauce.  Fried chicken breast ($8.95) in an excellent, smoky barbecue sauces is much better than the pallid, unremarkable roasted chicken ($9.95) and the surprisingly dry broiled pork chop ($10.95).      …Mr. Gaskin is volubly proud of his desserts ($4 each).  I’m sure his father would be proud, too.  I’m sure his father would be proud, too, with dishes like refreshing watermelon sorbet, rich flourless chocolate cake topped with chocolate sauce, and wonderful fruit cobblers served in little ramekins."      Departure:  From 86th Street and Broadway, northwest corner, in front of the Gap, near the exits for the 1 and 9 local trains, on Saturday, September 14th (rain date, 9/15).  We LEAVE at 9:03 a.m. SHARP.  No kidding.      Directions:  Take the New York State Thruway to Exit 19 at Kingston.  Follow Route 28 west for 25 miles.  See sign on right welcoming you to Phoenicia.  Go down ramp, over the bridge, and make left to Rubber Ducky (914-688-2018).      Reservations:  You can make life as easier for us by confirming your reservation ASAP.  Please tell us if you joining us for dinner AND whether you can make it Sunday if the weather is bad -NYC Young Adult Activity Group-

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    Our 26th adventure will be appreciated by the thrill seekers everywhere.  Several times a year, a dam is opened in the Catskill Mountains.  This results in a tidal wave surging down the Esopus Creek.  Whitewater enthusiasts seize upon this moment to shoot these rapids on truck inner tubes.  If you seek an adrenalin rush, read on.

"Whitewater enthusiasts" paddle down these rapids in appropriate watercraft, with appropriate equipment, including PFD’s, helmets, sufficient clothing to withstand rather cold water, and, most importantly, with appropriate knowledge of class III whitewater. Tubing the Esopus is, at best, a dubious idea, suitable not for "thrillseekers" but for those with a careless attitude toward their health.  If you must engage in tubing, please do it on a river like the Delaware, where the consequences are likely to be much less severe. —Rsk

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: Join us for dinner at a : new soul-food restaurant, : after we surf the rapids on : inner tubes in the Catskill : Mountains on Saturday, Sept 14 Hey everyone, The trip has been moved to Sunday, Sept 15. You can check out the site for the any late updates (http://www.cnct.com/home/kris/) -Charlie-NYCYAAG-

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

No Doctors or Attorneys wanted Please do not attempt to book trips with me After 20 years of outfitting I refuse to take Doc’s or Sharks Go to Montana and fish for no talent ,stupid cutthroat or Alaska,another If your looking to bilk us taxpayers for your fishing trips see above post As an American I can honestly say we are proud that you are so concerned about your continuing education that you feel WE should pay for it. Bend over America here come the Doc’s & Sharks

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