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Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang

Absotively. My one and hopefully only experience with a flash flood was at Montauk. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Montauk is a Missouri state trout park. A very small stream runs into it, and then is joined by the outflow from a large spring, thereby creating the headwater of the Current River, a National Scenic River. The Current really is a beautiful stream. One rainy day I was standing in a pool at the confluence of the spring and the stream when I suddenly felt the water becoming warm. I hadn’t had much beer recently, so I knew it warn’t my fault. Then I saw a few leaves and debris in the water, which I attributed to kids playing upstream. When the water began to visibly rise, it finally registered in my brain that it was raining upstream. By the time I moved fifteen feet from the pool to the bank the water had risen from waist deep to shoulder deep, and was still rising. It was not just the cold that had my legs trembling. It was truly a frightening experience. Montauk is heavily stocked. But I have the honor of having been skunked there. Haven’t been in several years, but it’s a marvelous place for new fly fishers and for kids. Bob

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Since I just got my first digital camera (Olympus D-40), I use this opportunity to compare it with my old Minolta XG-1.  Got the scanner now, so can put in pics from either. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang Absotively. My one and hopefully only experience with a flash flood was at Montauk. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Montauk is a Missouri state trout park. A very small stream runs into it, and then is joined by the outflow from a large spring, thereby creating the headwater of the Current River, a National Scenic River. The Current really is a beautiful stream. One rainy day I was standing in a pool at the confluence of the spring and the stream when I suddenly felt the water becoming warm. I hadn’t had much beer recently, so I knew it warn’t my fault. Then I saw a few leaves and debris in the water, which I attributed to kids playing upstream. When the water began to visibly rise, it finally registered in my brain that it was raining upstream. By the time I moved fifteen feet from the pool to the bank the water had risen from waist deep to shoulder deep, and was still rising. It was not just the cold that had my legs trembling. It was truly a frightening experience. Montauk is heavily stocked. But I have the honor of having been skunked there. Haven’t been in several years, but it’s a marvelous place for new fly fishers and for kids.

I fished there several times when I was living in Black about eleven years ago.  As far as I recall, I never caught a fish.  At that time, I fished dries exclusively (these days I enjoy fishing streamers and will, occasionally, fish nymphs when pressed) and I believe every dry fly purist I saw there suffered the same fate as I; only nymphers caught fish on flies.  Much of the park was open to bait fishers, but some of the water was reserved for flies only.  The rangers used to sit up on the hill with binoculars in this stretch, and every once in while they would rush down to bust some idiot. I remember that in addition to having to purchase a fishing license, fishing within the park required having a daily tag.  For each tag sold, the hatchery managers would release three new fish on the following day.  The daily creel limit was three fish.  Naturally, not everyone caught and kept the legal limit….in fact, MOST did not.  One is left to suppose that the excess fish somehow found their way out of the park and met their fate elsewhere.  Vending machines (the kind where you stick a quarter in the slot and turn the handle) lined the rearing ponds at every ten yards or so.  Tourists were more than willing to pay a quarter to get a handful of trout pellets and cast them upon the waters to watch the fish go into a frenzy.  I suspect that the managers never had to feed the fish.  The fish, for their part, were generally not inclined to eat anything that looked like a bug. Beautiful, clear and presumably nearly sterile water water within the park.  Well, probably not sterile (I THINK there was a lot of limestone in the area), but near enough to the spring that there was little plant life evident and whatever bugs lived there were probably quickly snatched up by the few fish that remained alive and in the park long enough to figure out that not all food was pellet shaped. Altogether, a pretty weird fishing experience but a lovely place nonetheless.  NC, as you will see if you haven’t already, is a whole ‘nother thang.      :) Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing <snip Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html Peter,  What an outstanding collection of pictures and knowledge!  My education in streamer fishing just jumped from first grade to at least 7th or 8th.  I’ll be giving streamer fishing more of a chance than I have in the past. (Thank goodness for wireless internet.  With my old, slow dial up connection, I never would have looked at your site or any other with lots of pictures as it was just too painful to wait while even one picture loaded Snoop

Pleased that it was of some use. Hopefully by the late fall, I’ll have updated most sections as it’s become dated.  And yes, it’s designed with high speed access in mind. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing <snip Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

Peter,   What an outstanding collection of pictures and knowledge!  My education in streamer fishing just jumped from first grade to at least 7th or 8th.  I’ll be giving streamer fishing more of a chance than I have in the past. (Thank goodness for wireless internet.  With my old, slow dial up connection, I never would have looked at your site or any other with lots of pictures as it was just too painful to wait while even one picture loaded Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? Here are a few pix of a tributary of the Meramec River in Missouri named Blue Spring Creek. It’s a tiny little wild trout stream, and I’ve gotten to know it pretty well over the last ten years or so. It’s perfect for my Sage LL 7′9" 3-weight. Even did some electro-shock sampling there with the department of conservation people a few years ago, and was astonished at what we found. The fish shown in the last image below is a typical but a bit large BSC rainbow. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-1.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-oct-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-Rainbow-1.jpg

Those look very nice indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter

Thanks. I’m glad you liked them. Yes, this is a spring creek. We have some very large springs – like, the size of houses. Blue Springs Creek is the outflow from several relatively small springs in very close proximity to each other. I’ve caught some fairly large (15 – 18 inches) trout there out of pools smaller than a desk. History trivia: Theodore Roosevelt once fished it. If it’s good enough for a Bullmoose it’s good enough for me! Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter Thanks. I’m glad you liked them. Yes, this is a spring creek. We have some very large springs – like, the size of houses. Blue Springs Creek is the outflow from several relatively small springs in very close proximity to each other. I’ve caught some fairly large (15 – 18 inches) trout there out of pools smaller than a desk. History trivia: Theodore Roosevelt once fished it. If it’s good enough for a Bullmoose it’s good enough for me!

Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang

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Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing photos of the rivers I’ve fished to put together essays on each one. They certainly won’t be shining examples of photographic art, merely representations of different aspects of the river and it’s species. It’s just a means of putting up a gallery in a thematic way. I’d be very pleased to also put up other people’s river essays. (With appropriate credit, of course.)   All that’s required is a few photos and a caption for each one. Digital photos happily accepted.  Fine art B&W also.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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//snip// I’d be very pleased to also put up other people’s river essays. (With appropriate credit, of course.)   All that’s required is a few photos and a caption for each one. Digital photos happily accepted.  Fine art B&W also.  :)

Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob

Thanks Bob, If you have a couple more of the Meramec, that’ll be great.  I would hope to have a few dozen rivers eventually, each with a little story – location, species, etc. and something that makes the river unique or special.  I’m presently assembling and scanning photos for the Grand and I should have that up in a few days.  On top of what people send me, I intent is to have the Grand, Credit, Saugeen, Whitemans, Bronte, the Rapid and if I have enough photos, both AuSables and the Muskegon.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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//snip If you have a couple more of the Meramec, that’ll be great.  I would hope to have a few dozen rivers eventually, each with a little story – location, species, etc. and something that makes the river unique or special.  I’m presently assembling and scanning photos for the Grand and I should have that up in a few days.  On top of what people send me, I intent is to have the Grand, Credit, Saugeen, Whitemans, Bronte, the Rapid and if I have enough photos, both AuSables and the Muskegon.

OK – let me see what I can figure out. The Meramec is not Missouri’s best trout stream, but it can be fairly photogenic in places. More later. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? jeff

OK. As soon as I figure out how to keep from posting a ten meg graphics file. Yes. There are wild rainbows in the Meramec. It also has a population of browns, but since browns don’t reproduce in Missouri they are mostly holdovers. The department of conservation stocks browns and rainbows annually in the Meramec, but there are other streams that have not been stocked in years. Most of the wild trout in MO were brought here from California by railroaders a hundred years ago. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec?

Here are a few pix of a tributary of the Meramec River in Missouri named Blue Spring Creek. It’s a tiny little wild trout stream, and I’ve gotten to know it pretty well over the last ten years or so. It’s perfect for my Sage LL 7′9" 3-weight. Even did some electro-shock sampling there with the department of conservation people a few years ago, and was astonished at what we found. The fish shown in the last image below is a typical but a bit large BSC rainbow. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-1.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-oct-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-Rainbow-1.jpg — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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……the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit…..

Ya’ll are a hard crowd!  I think you should ease up on Petah……he’s taken just about enough heat for his garboed spelling.     Wolfgang hey, us immigrants gotta stick togethah.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L — Lazarus Cooke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream, Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus

        dear mr. cooke:  i am pleased to represent mr. peetah charles, late of the royal air force, in all his domestic relations…um, matters.         this is to advise that any further (farther?) references to the woman formerly known as "greta" will result in our immediate action at law, wherein your private parts will first be exposed (while at rest) to several cheerleaders from the university of south carolina, followed by their immediate severance from your person.         it is our earnest hope that this caution will suffice to silence any further (yep, that’s it) references to the aforementioned lady, her heirs, assigns, or private investigators. yr. obt. svt. a.wayne harrison,  atty at law.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L

So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

In Vermont many of the small brookie streams I fish the only way is to fish straight up. I walk up some streams for over 8 hours. Sometimes I can get up-and-across cast, but mostly, due to foliage, the cast it straight up and down the river. Most of the line floats and lands on the water where I get strikes. Isn’t low pressure a wonderful thing? Gary

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit.

South – North, what’s a little geography between friends. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club)

still pissed that I swiped your date, eh? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . .

the university brass had astroturf installed at the football stadium to keep ‘em from grazing during halftime. i don’t quite understand the decision really, considering that was the only entertainment value with a NC football ticket. waldo

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

I had a casting lesson years ago from Andy Murray, the Hardy casting expert, who said firmly that it was perfectly possible with a 9′ leader only. I use a longer one – more to avoid drag than anything else, probably about 12′ all told, (ie inc bit of thick mono tied to line, then tippet tied to 9′ tapered leader) but it’s what I do – on the Itchen & Test, which are pretty clear. Not DEAD upstream, unless I’m casting right handed from the right bank, but yes, then. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream,

Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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<SNIP a foot above the trout. He nailed the fly, jumped once and threw the hook. He was maybe 10 to 12 inches long. It was fun and satisfying to finally hook it but a bit anticlimactic. Willi

I find it very satisfying to catch fish from difficult lies. I don

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

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Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

Here are parts of a conversation that I had with someone earlier. We also fished a river up from Vail.  You go west on I-70 from Vail then turn south on the highway to Mintern (or Leadville), you’ll parallel a stream way below you in the canyon.  At about Red Cliff the stream reaches the highway and mellows out.  There’s a little picnic area we parked at and fished upstream

This stretch of water (the Eagle) was fantastic on 8/2-6, when I had the good fortune to be fishing it with a couple of friends. I used to live in Aspen and had fished the Roaring Fork and over in Frying Pan, but the fishing was never as good as the 5 days we had around Vail. I guess it helped that my freind had been guiding in the valley for about five years. I was told to pick up some emerging caddis at the local outfitter, and hardly took them off (except to do some nymphing). Caught my first cut on the Eagle just below the rod and gun club’s property off of highway 6. Anyway, I had to make a comment when I heard that I almost you on the river.

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With the wife in Vail, Coloradol for a week the last week of Oct…….any info on fly fishing in that area, guides, spots, fly school and such would be most thankful……am a surf fisherman in Texas and havent been fly fishing in some years……we have a Bass Pro Shop here in Dallas Ft Worth area to get gear and such that I havent visited yet or may I say I was busy in other departments……thanks for any help….

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B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at…

Actually, what I have heard, is that the ‘average’ size fish, (9"-11" Brookies, and 10"-14" Browns), were in short supply and the bulk of the population were large and small fish. I have never seen many kids fishing the river, and I seriously doubt that a 2 fish limit for them will have a serious impact. The problem will come with enforcement, and the fact that bait fishing is allowed. I think ‘artificials only’ should be the rule wherever fish must be released. Actually, my preference would have been to close the entire stream to *all* usage for one year,  assess the results next fall, and formulate new regulations at that time. George Adams

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George’s thought of closing the river for a year is not a bad one but just look at how difficult it has been to get even this modest change enacted.   I say modest change because I firmly believe that with the allowance of an 18 inch trout per day a lot of 15+ inch fish will grow rather quickly in the eyes of the angler. We have a modest landlock salmon run out of a resivoir in cenrtal Mass where 2 fish per day over 18 inches are allowed and every year I see numerous sub 18 inch fish being taken out.  The problem – no enforecement. Won’t be any different on the B’kill. Lets hope that the high waters this fall result in a good spawn.  We’ll have to wait two yrs to find out though and see if we’re catching those 7 to 9 inch browns; which I used to be a master of but have not seen in recent years. Regarding hatch decline I’m not 100% convinced yet that that does not have something to do with the flood / drought cycle of recent yrs.  For what it is worth the trico’s were awesome this year and while I was not on hte river I heard that the Hendricksons were quite heavy.          

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I would agree with this assessment, in principle. A moratorium may be what is needed. This, ultimately, is what helped the striper fishery recover. Then again, we don’t have a consensus on what is killing the Kill… ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at… Actually, what I have heard, is that the ‘average’ size fish, (9"-11" Brookies, and 10"-14" Browns), were in short supply and the bulk of the population were large and small fish. I have never seen many kids fishing the river, and I seriously doubt that a 2 fish limit for them will have a serious impact. The problem will come with enforcement, and the fact that bait fishing is allowed. I think ‘artificials only’ should be the rule wherever fish must be released. Actually, my preference would have been to close the entire stream to *all* usage for one year,  assess the results next fall, and formulate new regulations at that time. George Adams

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I can attest to great Trico hatches on rivers near the BKill…scores of those little buggers. Personally, I can’t stand fishing those things, but the blue wing olive hatches made up for it! ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George’s thought of closing the river for a year is not a bad one but just look at how difficult it has been to get even this modest change enacted. I say modest change because I firmly believe that with the allowance of an 18 inch trout per day a lot of 15+ inch fish will grow rather quickly in the eyes of the angler. We have a modest landlock salmon run out of a resivoir in cenrtal Mass where 2 fish per day over 18 inches are allowed and every year I see numerous sub 18 inch fish being taken out.  The problem – no enforecement. Won’t be any different on the B’kill. Lets hope that the high waters this fall result in a good spawn.  We’ll have to wait two yrs to find out though and see if we’re catching those 7 to 9 inch browns; which I used to be a master of but have not seen in recent years. Regarding hatch decline I’m not 100% convinced yet that that does not have something to do with the flood / drought cycle of recent yrs.  For what it is worth the trico’s were awesome this year and while I was not on hte river I heard that the Hendricksons were quite heavy.

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 Hi folks.  I am writing with regards to special regulations        that have been proposed for the Battenkill in Vermont.  As many        are aware the fishery has been suffering for the past several        years and unfortunately despite efforts by Vermont Fish and        Wildlife there has been no definitive causes identified for the        decline that has been seen.        In order to reduce the decline in the population of the brown        trout in the river the state has proposed a 6 yr. no kill        regulation that will eliminate or at least minimize the one        identifiable factor in the rivers decline; angler harvest.  At        the same time the state plans to do an extensive study on the        river to identify causes for the decline. (This work has        already begun with some habitat improvement completed this fall        and an evaluation of spawning areas planned for later in the        month).   A public meeting was held in August and the proposal        was by and large favorably received by the public.  Yesterday        the Fish and Wildlife Board voted on this proposal.  It was        accepted with two very important amendments that may corrupt        the purpose of the no kill proposal.  The first is to allow        children under the age of 15 to keep two trout of any size per        day. The second is to allow any angler to keep one trout per        day of 18 inches or larger.        An additional vote will be taken (probably in December) to        determine the final regulations that will be placed on the        river.  There are no public hearings scheduled to discuss these        two amendments but from what I understand this can be ?forced?        upon the board through petition.  I will be investigating how        to achieve this.        In the meantime I would ask that any anglers that are        interested in seeing the Battenkill fishery turned around        please write a POLITE letter to the following individuals that        are members of the F&W Board.        David Mallory        RD # 1, Box 103        Jericho, VT 05465       John Stannard       PO Box 73       Rte 30       Dorset VT 05251        For what it is worth I am not a C&R zealot but I do value the        opportunity of catching wild trout and the Battenkill can be        turned around.  Folks that fish the area around Manchester and        Arlington have numerous options when it comes to fishing and        there is no shortage of streams and ponds that offer anglers        the chance to take home a few fish for dinner.        The real question is whether we as sportsman are willing to        sacrifice a little bit now to pass along a better resource for        the next generations of anglers. We owe it to ourselves and our        children to work towards making the river a better stream than        it is at the moment.  Catch and release is a small price to        pay.        I hope you’ll support the river by writing to these gentlemen        in order to persuade them to reconsider the amendments that        have been put forward.        For what it is worth regarding kids on the river and the 18 inch fish regulation        problem becomes one of enforcement.  Dad’s fishin with the kids, they go off to        collect rocks and a fish takes.  Dad lands the fish and keeps it.  Is that legit?        Regarding 18 inch fish.  I don’t know about you but I can see a lot of guys          using their eyes as rulers and then fish from 14 inches on go into the creel.  I’ve        seen it down here in Mass where we have a salmon run in the fall.  A lot of "18        salmon" are taken home that are clearly shy of that.        Thanks very much.        Doug Lyons

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Some obeservations: 1. The only 1 fish over 18 inches rule is interesting in light of evidence    that such fish are basically nonexistent in the B-Kill…indeed, trout    over TEN inches are apparently down by 89% in many stretched (Source:    Fly Fishing in Northern New England). Thus, my own take is that this    will do little to HARM the fishing. 2. I wonder if these, and more restrictions may increase crowds at other    nearby rivers, thus creating same problems as those affecting the    B-Kill. Perhaps such rules need to to be enforced at all nearby    rivers as a preventative? ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks.  I am writing with regards to special regulations       that have been proposed for the Battenkill in Vermont.  As many       are aware the fishery has been suffering for the past several       years and unfortunately despite efforts by Vermont Fish and       Wildlife there has been no definitive causes identified for the       decline that has been seen.       In order to reduce the decline in the population of the brown       trout in the river the state has proposed a 6 yr. no kill       regulation that will eliminate or at least minimize the one       identifiable factor in the rivers decline; angler harvest.  At       the same time the state plans to do an extensive study on the       river to identify causes for the decline. (This work has       already begun with some habitat improvement completed this fall       and an evaluation of spawning areas planned for later in the       month).   A public meeting was held in August and the proposal       was by and large favorably received by the public.  Yesterday       the Fish and Wildlife Board voted on this proposal.  It was       accepted with two very important amendments that may corrupt       the purpose of the no kill proposal.  The first is to allow       children under the age of 15 to keep two trout of any size per       day. The second is to allow any angler to keep one trout per       day of 18 inches or larger.       An additional vote will be taken (probably in December) to       determine the final regulations that will be placed on the       river.  There are no public hearings scheduled to discuss these       two amendments but from what I understand this can be ?forced?       upon the board through petition.  I will be investigating how       to achieve this.       In the meantime I would ask that any anglers that are       interested in seeing the Battenkill fishery turned around       please write a POLITE letter to the following individuals that       are members of the F&W Board.       David Mallory       RD # 1, Box 103       Jericho, VT 05465      John Stannard      PO Box 73      Rte 30      Dorset VT 05251       For what it is worth I am not a C&R zealot but I do value the       opportunity of catching wild trout and the Battenkill can be       turned around.  Folks that fish the area around Manchester and       Arlington have numerous options when it comes to fishing and       there is no shortage of streams and ponds that offer anglers       the chance to take home a few fish for dinner.       The real question is whether we as sportsman are willing to       sacrifice a little bit now to pass along a better resource for       the next generations of anglers. We owe it to ourselves and our       children to work towards making the river a better stream than       it is at the moment.  Catch and release is a small price to       pay.       I hope you’ll support the river by writing to these gentlemen       in order to persuade them to reconsider the amendments that       have been put forward.       For what it is worth regarding kids on the river and the 18 inch fish regulation       problem becomes one of enforcement.  Dad’s fishin with the kids, they go off to       collect rocks and a fish takes.  Dad lands the fish and keeps it.  Is that legit?       Regarding 18 inch fish.  I don’t know about you but I can see a lot of guys       using their eyes as rulers and then fish from 14 inches on go into the creel.  I’ve       seen it down here in Mass where we have a salmon run in the fall.  A lot of "18       salmon" are taken home that are clearly shy of that.       Thanks very much.       Doug Lyons

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Intersesting thoughts. There are still a few good ones swimming the river – a friend took 14 and 15 1/2 brown this past season.  A big concern I have is that a lot of eyeball measuring will be going on and the 15 inch trout will be stretched out by overly zealous anglers. Regarding fishing pressure on other streams one has to remember that many such rivers (the Wallumsac comes to mind)  are generously supported by stocking.  

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Intersesting thoughts. There are still a few good ones swimming the river – a friend took 14 and 15 1/2 brown this past season.  A big concern I have is that a lot of eyeball measuring will be going on and the 15 inch trout will be stretched out by overly zealous anglers. Regarding fishing pressure on other streams one has to remember that many such rivers (the Wallumsac comes to mind)  are generously supported by stocking.  

My take on this whole topic… A) The recently passed regulation is in my opinion a giant step. While probably not the ultimate solution, it certainly is a beginning. Total C&R would be better…FF only would be better…river usage changes pertaining to canoes and tubes would be better…but it’s a good start! I certainly predict the sighting of more youths astream…still that’s ok…a two fish limit between dad and youngster is fine by me. Plus it propogates a continuence of the sport amongst the next generation. B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at…    <http://www.virtualflybox.com/photos/bkill_brn.shtml …refutes this opinion. I took this photo late last summer and in addition to this fish I have first hand accountings of trout of these proportions having been caught on these fabled waters. C) As to increased fishing pressure on local waters…that will only be caused by the locals…who are, I’m sure already there, due to the recent decline of the fishery on the Battenkill. D) Future regulatory thoughts have to consider things like the impact caused by non-fishing river usage, changes in the chemical runoffs, landowner riverside impacts, etc. I personally can attest to a huge change in the insect activity on this river. The Caddis hatches used to be legendary…now they are quite rare. The Battenkill has not seen a stockery of fish in over thirty years and has until recently been a prime fishery. Only in the last ten years has there been a major decline…so the reason for that must be determined and solved. But quickly! keep tyin’…byard * * * * * * * * *   V I R T U A L    F L Y B O X    * * * * * * * * *    Fly Tyers Worldwide * Hundreds of Patterns * Tying Instructions                     http://www.VirtualFlybox.com * * * *   F E A T U R I N G   *  9 8 0  *   P A T T E R N S   * * * *

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Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

You’d be surprised what you local libray might have; and you might be able to put a hold on one that’s not in, or order it from another library.    I’ve checked out a number of them over the years.   Some fly fishing shops also rent them out. Before I teach someone how to fly fish, or even to cast, I always insist they watch the videos, first. Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

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There are a number of good casting videos.  Some of our favorites are:  "Joan Wulff’s Dynamics of Fly Casting", which is still fairly new on the market.  It covers "from solid basics to advanced techniques." $24.95 And… "Fly Casting with Lefty Kreh" ($29.95) and "All New Fly Casting Techniques", also Lefty Kreh ($19.95) Both Joan Wulff and Lefty Kreh are renouned for their casting ability. I couldn’t give you a clue on how to choose one over the other, as they are all excellent–but different. If you don’t mind spending the $, get Joan’s and one of Lefty’s.  It would be worth it. Lauren Hart, Brazos FlyFishers  http://www.brazosflyfishers.com Check out our Spring Specials posted on our website!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts on the best of the intermediate casting videos?  I need to debug my casting and would like to try this before investing in an instructor.  mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier <OOOO))’

I have made chum in the past using a hand grinder hooked to a motor using the fly wheel out of an old dryer, its big enough to make the grinder run slow. I have also used the same hand grinder hooked to a 12 volt engine started on the boat, its noisy but it works well, you can find the atachments near comm fishing docks that use shum. mine only cost about $50 by using used started and grinder. —   Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water,  a vital ingredient in beer.                             … Dave Barry   John & Donna Koterba http://www.olg.com/jkoterba

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier <OOOO))’ I have made chum in the past using a hand grinder hooked to a motor using the fly wheel out of an old dryer, its big enough to make the grinder run slow. I have also used the same hand grinder hooked to a 12 volt engine started on the boat, its noisy but it works well, you can find the atachments near comm fishing docks that use shum. mine only cost about $50 by using used started and grinder. —   Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water,  a vital ingredient in beer.                             … Dave Barry John & Donna Koterba http://www.olg.com/jkoterba

I once used a weed wacker to grind up some menhaden. We did have a sucessful trip but I would frown on the weed wacker idea from now on.

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post

Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<OOOO))’

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post

Here’s some ideas i’ve tried with success: 1. Cheapest fish favor cat food both dry or canned is ready made chum. Just dump into chum pot as is. 2. Use a blender with enough water to chop scraps, then pour into half gallon milk cartons and freeze.  To use, peal off carton and put in chum pot.  As it melts it releases. 3. Popular chum here in Hawaii is old white bread mixed with tomato sardines and water. Works for just about anything.  Mix sand into chum if you want it to sink faster. 4. Buy an inexpensive hand-crank meat grinder (plastic with stainless steel blades works best for saltwater applications).  Mount it on a plate with post (pipe) that fits a rodholder.  Attach a radiator hose to outlet of grinder (length of hose depends on the boat, diameter of hose depends on grinder).  Mount the grinder/plate in a rail rodholder and hang hose overboard.  As you grind fish scraps it will run down the hose overboard.  You can grind on demand.  Pour water into the grinder once in a while to clear grinder and hose. Chum pot easy to make.  Just get a plastic 5 gallon bucket with lid, drill ALOT of 1/4" wholes in the sides and bottom.  Tie a short length of rope to bucket handle.   Now just place some chum into bucket, put lid on and hang it over the side with rope tied to cleat of your boat. Chum leaches out of holes with the motion of the boat.                                                            Spy in Hawaii

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I’ve tried several different chum methods: 1.  Learned this from a professional yellowtail snapper fisherman in the Keys – Buy a block of frozen menhaden, mix it with horse oats, water and fine white beach sand, into a slurry.  Dump it over the side a little at a time.  It makes a "cloud" in clear water that both attracts yellow tail and hides your hook (bait up a chunk of mullet or a menhaden – whatever you have, then toss it into the cloud). 2.  Canned catfood, the cheapest, stinkiest stuff you can find works well. Punch a bunch of holes in the can and hang it over the side of your boat. Or you can open a can, dump it into a bucket mixed with water and ladle it over the side. 3.  Same as above with cheap sardines. 4.  For fresh water, try hog pellets.  Here in Florida, we use ‘em to bait shiner nets.  They work fine. 5.  If you’re near the ocaen, go to a fishhouse and ask to buy their dead crabs.  smash ‘em up and ladle ‘em.  They’re terrific for redfish.

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines!    Email  or post

This may sound like BS but a guy told me to use an old lawn mower, you might piss off the neighbors but it might work He said he used it to for bluefish to make shark chum. You also might be able to use a leaf mulcher or wood chipper. Don’t laugh to hard at me I’m just passin it on

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion.  Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles?  Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO.  "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker           Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257                  http://www.flfish.com/fl

Aloha Charlie,   I almost forgot, the best chum maker of all was my younger sister, her first trip out in the ocean.  Her stomach was churning.  And Her timing was perfect.  We would be drifting and everytime she chummed with her breakfast, the fish would show and the action would get wild.  Just when the fish start drifting away, she would get up and chum some more (ralph!) and action all over again.  She ran out (of internal chum) eventually, and the fish left.  She was a real sport though.  I’ll always remember her reeling in fish while lying down.  Try as we might, we could not get her to eat anymore.  We tried not to think of the chum as we ate the fish that night.  Same thing happened with one of my Buddies on his first time out, too.  Now when I see him I say "you’re not just a friend… you’re a real chum".  We can laugh about it now.                                                 A hui hou, Spy in Hawaii

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion.  Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles?  Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO.  "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker           Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257                  http://www.flfish.com/fl

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion.  Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles?  Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO.  "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker           Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257                  http://www.flfish.com/fl

See Dan Akroyd in skit called "Bass-O-Matic" on Best of Sat. Nite Live video.  It slices, dices, and turns live bass into a wholesome and refreshing beverage.<g Mark

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum?

Really the most economical system I ever heard of was a can of dog food. You buy a can. Use an Ice pick (everybody has one of these aboard) to punch holes in the can. Tie a line (string) around the can and through it in (tie the line to the boat stupid). I have used this for weakies and blues. Works well. Good luck. Michael W. Madden Technical Director, TekVantage The Chesapeake Bay Mariners’ Guide http://www.tekvantage.com/MarinersGuide/index.html The Far Horizons Sailing Search Engine http://www.tekvantage.com/FarHorizons/index.html Host to: The Havre de Grace Yacht Club http://www.tekvantage.com/hdgyc/index.html Host to: The Crazy Swede Restaurant and Bar http://www.tekvantage.com/crazyswede/index.html

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I’ve been reading Dave Hughes’ book on wet flies.  He, along with others, recommends using Pearsall’s Gossamer silk and Marabou silk floss for tying bodies.  None of the tying supplies catalogs I have carry these items. Does anyone know a good source?   Thanks for any info. Dave Coates — David J. Coates, Ph.D., P.E.      Tel: (310) 276-9070 Metallurgical Engineer            Fax: (310) 276-9390

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I’ve been reading Dave Hughes’ book on wet flies.  He, along with others, recommends using Pearsall’s Gossamer silk and Marabou silk floss for tying bodies.  None of the tying supplies catalogs I have carry these items. Does anyone know a good source?  

Hi Dave Hunters carry thePearsall’s and also some really great Japanese silk as well.  Call them at 800-331-8558, the silk is on page #10. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Dave – with A 310 Area code, you’re in the Santa Monica Arewa, right?? Try Bob Marriott’s in Fullerton- 800-535-6633 for orders and 714-525-1827 for general info. Another source is Hunter’s in New Hampshire…800-331-8558 and there are a lot of others too. Larry #:)#

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Sorry I don’t have the catalog with me, but Blue Ribbon Fly Fishing in West Yellowstone carries the silk you’re looking for. Tight Lines, rd

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National Feather-Craft Co. in St. Louis 1-800-659-1707

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been reading Dave Hughes’ book on wet flies.  He, along with others, recommends using Pearsall’s Gossamer silk and Marabou silk floss for tying bodies.  None of the tying supplies catalogs I have carry these items. Does anyone know a good source? Hi Dave Hunters carry thePearsall’s and also some really great Japanese silk as well.  Call them at 800-331-8558, the silk is on page #10. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

I have personally been down this road before! I have even been in Hunter’s looking for Pearsall’s to no avail. They are only 30 minutes from my house! The problem with the Japanese silk is that it is just fine for tying Salmon flies, but its not as good for tying wets. I tried every source I could find in this area and checked every catalogue I had. And thats a good number! Seems as though most places in the US do not carry this type of silk in the shop. They claim they cannot get rid of it. Either they won’t order in the amount you want or they want you to buy 500 spools. I did find some at the virtual fly shop, but they didn’t have any in stock. Finally, after months of looking around I found a guy at a company called Waters West that ordered it for me in the amount a normal person could buy. He was realy great to deal with and I’d recommend that you call him. His name is Dave Steinbaugh. His number is 1-800-347-4999. He guides out in Yellowstone at this time of year, but I’ve included the numbers I have for him so you should be able to track him down yourself. Waters West 1-360-417-0937(Oct thru Mid May)        1-406-646-9442(Mid May thru Sept) P.O.Box 3241                            P.O.Box 830 Port Angeles, WA 98362                  West Yellowstone, MT 59758 I can’t recommend this guy any higher. He went out of his way to order the silks for me and didn’t charge a high price. As a matter of fact, this price worked out cheaper than the virtual fly shop. Good Luck. Steve — Steven Grainger          | I stalk the wild trout. MRS Technology           | 10 ELizabeth Drive       | Chelmsford, MA.          |

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Hi guys-    Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

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Hi guys-   Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months.                 a. wayne harrison

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison

        No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word. -Me

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison         No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word.

I do not. RE: Fish in Caves… Once I was in a cave in Colorado that had running water in it (on an extended backpacking rip)…it was FULL of brookies…wierd little huge jawed brookies…that would hit anything. We ate a lot of them… We kept ‘em alive on a stringer…bonk one…cut off the head…insert weenie stick along spine and cook like a marshmallow.  DELICIOUS ! TimW

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Try contacting  Hock-Heng Pro Fishing in Singapore , they are pretty knowledgable from what I remember . Unfortunately I do not have their contact information anymore , but remember the name . G

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 What if you have a jig of some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig….. Do you think it will

work? Has anyone…..tried it? Down here in TExas what you are describing is called a "Mansfield Mauler": Foam float with about a ten-inch stiff steel wire thru a slip-hole down the bobber. Wire held from leaving the hole by sliding plastic beads top and bottom (belayed by crimped ferrules) that "click" when the mauler is twitched. Bottom end has a few feet of leader and a snap:the  jig (or a treble hook with live bait like a shrimp) goes there… You "pop" the rod and as you do the wire comes up thru the float, thereby tilting the float to its side. THe sudden tilt causes the bait to be jerked up and a bit laterally towards the fisherman. THe wire also propels the beads against the bobber causing a nice loud click. As you relax the line the wire descend again thru the hole partway, allowing the bait to settle. Another click occurs when the top bead hits the top of the bobber. They are painted an iridescent red/dayglow orange color. Very effective over eelgrass down here for redfish and specks… Don’t know if they are avail from catalogs but I bet they are. email me for address of supplier here if you cant find em thru bass pro shops or equiv. places… good luck. bill II*

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 What if you have a jig of some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig….. Do you think it will work? Has anyone…..tried it?

In Iowa, during crappie spawning season, we used jigs with marabou feather tails under bobbers to catch them.  Set the jig 18-24 inches below the bobber, depending on the depth of the bottom.  Cast, slowly retrieve.  Set the hook at the slightest strange action by the bobber. Once, I was wading and casting this set-up.  I got careless, and let the jig hit the water behind me.  I threw a crappie 30 feet forward, after it grabbed that jig!  This should work almost anywhere if the water is clear enough to see 3-5 feet, during the spring spawn. Larry L. Neely

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I haven’t tried it yet, but I had a thought. What if you have a jig of some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig. Suppose the bobber has a long stem or tube (or whatever you call that piece the line passes through). Cast it out, and the jig sinks to the set depth and the weight of the jig keeps the slip bobber upright. Now, since the line passes all the way through the bobber from bottom to top, if you twitch or jerk your line in small increments will the slip bobber act as a fulcrum and cause enough up and down and sideways action on the jig to attract a strike? Eventually, you would twitch the lure back to you and have to cast again. But in clear water where fish spook at the sight of a boat, this might be a useful technique if you could find a school holding at a certain depth. Do you think it will work? Has anyone tried it?

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: I haven’t tried it yet, but I had a thought. What if you have a jig of : some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig. Suppose the bobber has a : long stem or tube (or whatever you call that piece the line passes : through). Cast it out, and the jig sinks to the set depth and the weight : of the jig keeps the slip bobber upright. : Now, since the line passes all the way through the bobber from bottom to : top, if you twitch or jerk your line in small increments will the slip : bobber act as a fulcrum and cause enough up and down and sideways action : on the jig to attract a strike? Eventually, you would twitch the lure back : to you and have to cast again. But in clear water where fish spook at the : sight of a boat, this might be a useful technique if you could find a : school holding at a certain depth. Do you think it will work? Has anyone : tried it? You have just described one of the most effective ways of fishing for crappie.  This technique is also good for trout and bluegill.  You can attach a sinking fly instead of a jig, twitch it now and then, you can catch bluegill, crappie or trout.  Sometimes a curious bass will bite but not too often.  Place a shiner and you will get big bass.  Of course, depends where you fish, depth setting, time of the year, species found in the lake, etc…

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I believe In-Fisherman or Bassmaster magazine had an article on just this type of fishing. I’am not sure which month it was in, but i’am pretty sure it was in last years run.

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: You have just described one of the most effective ways of fishing for : crappie.  This technique is also good for trout and bluegill.  You can : attach a sinking fly instead of a jig, twitch it now and then, you can catch : bluegill, crappie or trout.  Sometimes a curious bass will bite but not : too often.  Place a shiner and you will get big bass.  Of course, depends : where you fish, depth setting, time of the year, species found in the lake, : etc… You may also try using cast-a-bubble, or very tiny Thill floats if the fish are very spooky, instead of the ordinary bobbers.

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I haven’t tried it yet, but I had a thought. What if you have a jig of some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig. Suppose the bobber has a long stem or tube (or whatever you call that piece the line passes through). Cast it out, and the jig sinks to the set depth and the weight of the jig keeps the slip bobber upright.

I used to do a lot of heavy spinning from rocky coastlines when I lived in Samoa, fishing for bluefin trevelly and ulua. The surface poppers are fun, but no good when the fish were down. However, casting a diving lure was hopeless,… always snagging on the coral and losing precious lures. I thought about it a while, and came up with the same idea you hit on, only adapted to bigger fish. I was using 25 lb on a Penn 850, passing the line through a 2" bubble (the kind you partially fill with water for weight). On the terminal end, a barrel swivel was joined to a 4′ leader and large diving lure. Big Rapalas or salmon plugs were good. I would then cast out and let the lure sink down while counting off the seconds. If it hit bottom, a quick retrieve kept it off, then I would always start the retrieve a few seconds sooner on later casts (Rapala Countdown method). This would give a long, slanting retrieve to the surface, then a free fall to the bottom, another slanting retrieve, etc. till the lure was in. My best catch was a 38 lb white ulua on a 8" Rapala Sliver. However, I still lost plent of lures, but it was another option. — David G. Itano

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I haven’t tried it yet, but I had a thought. What if you have a jig of some sort on your line with a slip bobber rig. Suppose the bobber has a long stem or tube (or whatever you call that piece the line passes through). Cast it out, and the jig sinks to the set depth and the weight of the jig keeps the slip bobber upright. Now, since the line passes all the way through the bobber from bottom to top, if you twitch or jerk your line in small increments will the slip bobber act as a fulcrum and cause enough up and down and sideways action on the jig to attract a strike? Eventually, you would twitch the lure back to you and have to cast again. But in clear water where fish spook at the sight of a boat, this might be a useful technique if you could find a school holding at a certain depth. Do you think it will work? Has anyone tried it?

Great technique for Walleyes.   Knocks ‘em dead. Burt Benson, New York Mills, MN

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