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The Sages tend to be faster, more athletic rods, (US made if thats important to you)generally preferred in the West, imitated by others, a bit more expensive, but why waste money on an imitation? Dave Biased, they are made down the road.

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I will say one thing about T&T. They have the prettiest rod cases in the business.

Plus I like the way they include a plastic dowel with their rod bags so that you don’t accidentally damage the rod tip by attempting to shove it into a folded bag.  My guess regarding the rod tube is that it’s from REC. Noticed that some of the Winston’s now appear to be using REC cases (or really good knock-offs). Mu

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My apologies to Mu and the rest of you. If I would have known he meant one east-coast sissy boy in particular, rather than collectively, I would’ve understood immediately this was an inside joke.

My apologies too, soft-hackle.  I purposely did not append a to my post because it was in response to Wayne – who really does have a love affair with T&T.  There are lots of people here on ROFF and the regular posters by virtue of their familiarity with one another often make some people feel excluded.  But hey, I’m glad you spoke up cuz it gave us all a chance to know each other a little better than we did before.  No harm done. BTW, I do like using baitcasting equipment on occasion.  Feeling the humming of a fine piece of machinery under my thumb and making pinpoint casts into cover – well there is a certain pleasure to it.  I also own a minnow trap.  I find trapping/gathering my own bait to be fun too. Sometimes chucking a big spoon from the beach and watching it disappear behind the third gut is a thing of beauty in itself.  A favorite technique of mine for largemouth bass is to pitch an unweighted plastic worm and let it sink ever so slowly, twitching it so that it seems barely alive, until either I can’t stand it any more and have to recast or the fish can’t stand it any more and pounces upon the lure.  Even so, I find that 98% of my fishing is done with a fly rod.  I like tying up my own flies and testing them afield.  In fact I made a commitment in June to fish a single fly for three straight months (2 trips per week) to see if it really was effective or not.  Although I too feel that it’s silly for some people to get hung up on their equipment and techniques, I don’t begrudge them. We all have our own reasons why we fish – but in general most of us do it because it’s fun, plain and simple. Mu

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My apologies to Mu and the rest of you. If I would have known he meant one east-coast sissy boy in particular, rather than collectively, I would’ve understood immediately this was an inside joke. Soft Hackle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mu is a highly respected and *cliquish* member of ROFF, thus I am sure he is not in the least confuse as to which rod is best used for flyfishin’!

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I built a Sage 10 wt. RPL+ about 6 years ago. Have used it to catch about 500 salmon all the species in alaska. It is without a doubt the best rod I have ever fished with!! I have no experience with T&T so i can not offer any suggestions along that line. You will however be quite happy with any Sage

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Mu is a highly respected and *cliquish* member of ROFF, thus I am sure he is not in the least confuse as to which rod is best used for flyfishin’! Op

 I personally don’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – confuse my flyrod with my real rod, as you seem to be doing. Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs

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to the scene of his latest crimes and snibbled: Discussions on the relative merits of various pieces of equipment are all well and good, but   It’s the stupidity of the question.  Its like asking "Plastic vs. Plastic". George was not here.  It’s your imagination.

And you were WAY too optimistic, wayno… /daytripper (Shall we proceed apace to Game 2?

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Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. …qualities with a certain brand of rod. I personally don’t confuse my flyrod with my real rod, as you seem to be doing. LOL. No worries, soft-hackle. Mu was simply yanking the chain of Wayno (the T&T bigot) and daytripper (the Winston bigot).

This should illustrate that we fully tolerate the unfortunate naifs who get burned by their lack of historical perspective Anyway…One should consider that there are few more cordial bigots than Winston bigots (if I do say so myself I consider myself in the very good company of those similarly afflicted – even those who occasionally experience moments of weakness and fall off the wagon to acquire a Sage, Loomis, TT, or even <shudder Scott… (Orvis, however, is right out!!) [I'll also take this opportunity to point out to my good friend in The Old North State that my littlest Winston 6/2 stood up to an entire day in the hands of the notorious Pamlico Jim Roberts on Upper Lower Middle Upper Creek, whilst your 8/2 TT didn't even survive the walk in. You had the wrong dog, son ] /daytripper (Smoke’em, fish’em, gotta love dem Winstons!

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Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. …qualities with a certain brand of rod. I personally don’t confuse my flyrod with my real rod, as you seem to be doing.

LOL. No worries, soft-hackle. Mu was simply yanking the chain of Wayno (the T&T bigot) and daytripper (the Winston bigot). –Steve

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Sage discontinued the two best lines they ever made, the LL and SPL+. When they did that I started building T&T rods and appreciated the advantages of T&T over anything else I have built including Winston. Just curious – Do you sling meat from a baitcasting rig when the flyfishing is slow? The reason I ask is that baitcasters and bassholes are the only types of self-styled anglers who associate manhood with the brand of "fishing pole" being used. Most genuine anglers are confident enough in themselves not to compensate for shortcomings by identifying their personal qualities with a certain brand of rod. I personally don’t confuse my flyrod with my real rod, as you seem to be doing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs

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Discussions on the relative merits of various pieces of equipment are all well and good, but  

It’s the stupidity of the question.  Its like asking "Plastic vs. Plastic". George was not here.  It’s your imagination.

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This is probably going to create a flame, but before I went to the expense of building one of these two rods, I would see if a local fly shops had them in stock and perhaps would let you cast them. I own one of the two rods and have tried the other. I am not the world’s greatest caster, but one fits my casting style much better than the other. After 65 years in this sport, I think a lot of people buy rods based upon brand name rather than trying to find one that fits your particular casting style and ability.

There is a great deal of truth in what you say.  On the other hand, fly casters are much more adaptable than are the tools they use.  Much is written here about the characteristics of various pieces of equipment and how they may suit one person’s ability and style more than another’s.  Much less attention is given to the fact that any competent caster can do pretty well with just about any broomstick or girder.  If a lot of people buy based on considerations other than what best suits their own personal physics it is probably just as well.  Even test casting a rod, reel, and line combination out in the parking lot for ten minutes isn’t really going to tell you all that much about performance out in the creek.  And in truth, one setup might suit an individual angler very well under a certain set of circumstances and be entirely unsatisfactory given different conditions even in the same stretch of a single stream. Discussions on the relative merits of various pieces of equipment are all well and good, but I think most anglers would benefit more from analysis of their own performance than they do from that of their gear. Wolfgang who is dreadfully sorry about the lack of heat.      

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I, my ultimate preference is T&T.    good post.  many will agree. wayno

Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs

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I, my ultimate preference is T&T. good post.  many will agree. wayno Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs

    unethical. wayno yfitons (thwtgs) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m looking to build a new 9 wt. rod for the saltwater and stealhead.  I’m between the Sage RPLXi and the Winston Boron XTR.  Any opinions on which is better.  I know its about personal preference but I’d like some outside opinions.

I don’t know about the Winston, but I have a Sage RPLXi 9 weight. Very powerful rod. It’s perfect for bonefish, and particularly for casting heavy flies into a stiff wind. I’ve used it for steelhead, but I feel it’s too fast (i.e., stiff) for that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I, my ultimate preference is T&T. good post.  many will agree. wayno Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs     unethical.

Hey, Wayno. How’s that T&T with the "special action" that you loaned to Pamlico Jim? I will say one thing about T&T. They have the prettiest rod cases in the business.

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Hey, Wayno. How’s that T&T with the "special action" that you loaned to Pamlico Jim?

He got it repaired, but it has lost a certain charm now. <g — Charlie…

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Hey, Wayno. How’s that T&T with the "special action" that you loaned to Pamlico Jim?

    that is the rod i am using in zimbo’s pics of our recent small water adventure. they repaired it at no cost.  it is a wonder of an 8′ 2wt.     thanks for askin.  :) your friend in the old north state wayno

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I’d go for the Sage personally. Clark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I, my ultimate preference is T&T. good post.  many will agree. wayno Yeah, many an east-coast sissy boy will agree! Think Sage. Mu yfitgs

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Of the two, for pure casting ability the XTR, even I can shoot an entire line with the darn thing,  as an overall fishing rod the RPLXi, tho I would suggest you consider the BL5 from Winston. Rod seems soft at first and it is a *soft action* SW rod, but back cast once and let it go…,

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to build a new 9 wt. rod for the saltwater and stealhead.  I’m between the Sage RPLXi and the Winston Boron XTR.  Any opinions on which is better.  I know its about personal preference but I’d like some outside opinions. Thanks Dru

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This is probably going to create a flame, but before I went to the expense of building one of these two rods, I would see if a local fly shops had them in stock and perhaps would let you cast them. I own one of the two rods and have tried the other. I am not the world’s greatest caster, but one fits my casting style much better than the other. After 65 years in this sport, I think a lot of people buy rods based upon brand name rather than trying to find one that fits your particular casting style and ability. Jack in Tn.

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This is probably going to create a flame, but before I went to the expense of building one of these two rods, I would see if a local fly shops had them in stock and perhaps would let you cast them. I own one of the two rods and have tried the other. I am not the world’s greatest caster, but one fits my casting style much better than the other. After 65 years in this sport, I think a lot of people buy rods based upon brand name rather than trying to find one that fits your particular casting style and ability. Jack in Tn.

it might muddy the water a bit, but all the rods listed are extremely nice rods that cast very well.  i personally fish the sage rplxi’s quite a bit… but have cast the winstons and like them too… and the scott’s aint too shabby either… and the t&t’s cast beautifully… and so do the st. croix legend ultras (as a lower cost alternative). chris

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I, my ultimate preference is T&T. Soft Hackle

        good post.  many will agree. wayno

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I prefer Sage to Winston for building rods. True, Winston aesthetics are superior but if you are building the rod you can select your own components. However, my ultimate preference is T&T. Soft Hackle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to build a new 9 wt. rod for the saltwater and stealhead.  I’m between the Sage RPLXi and the Winston Boron XTR.  Any opinions on which is better.  I know its about personal preference but I’d like some outside opinions. Thanks Dru

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I’m looking to build a new 9 wt. rod for the saltwater and stealhead.  I’m between the Sage RPLXi and the Winston Boron XTR.  Any opinions on which is better.  I know its about personal preference but I’d like some outside opinions. Thanks Dru

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. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick

Depends on fishing habits and conditions. Your normal habits will of course have to change, mainly taking turns while the "sitter" of the moment explores nature, a little splashing, turning over rocks, touching moss-bark-worms-mud etc. a chest pak carrier (with the child facing forward) provides security, restraint, and mobility.  Of course the child will not remember it later but you will, as a most wondrous phase in your lives. I can tell you that as the family grows your fishing habits will continue change culminating with a trip with the grand children. Maybe if you are as lucky as me, Great grand children and the realization of how blessed your life has been and what fun fishing buddies you have.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past– Really.  I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing.  Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos. TC, R

BRAGGING RIGHTS::: At four my great grandson caught his first trophy large mouth, "gramps" cast,(we hadn’t known he was a lefty then) and lipped it. He did the rest. 21.5" of galloping bass, I’m surprised you didn’t hear me whooping.

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Will send you a video one day just to prove it )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying. LOL.  This is one of the funniest lines I’ve read on ROFF (I hope you intended it that way) and a sure candidate for Brutally Honest Comment of the Year. JR

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"Jo" < Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

… Bad habits can be broken…… john

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You havent met my kids with a fishing rod 2 out of three are officially hyperactive and the other one is a budding self absorbed model god forbid any dirt attaching itself to that one. Fishing is actually stressful with them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Jo" < Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying. … Bad habits can be broken…… john

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

I’ve got an almost-two year old myself, and I went on two vacations in two months–Maui in December and Orlando in January. During the trip to Maui, my mother came up from Raleigh, NC to PA and stayed at our house with the baby.  Baby sleeps in her own bed, gets spoiled by grandma for 8 days, loves it.  Baby learns to say "Hawaii" and locate the islands on the globe.  Mom & Dad enjoy the islands for a week. During the trip to FL, my grandmother & aunt (both live practically next door) shared the same duties as my mom did a month earlier.  Baby sleeps in own bed, gets spoiled by auntie & great-grandma for a 4-day weekend.  Mom & Dad bring home ‘mouse ears’ for baby, in an effort to remove the mouse ears, baby snaps elastic chin strap against face, cries vigorously.  Mom & Dad supress laughter (mostly). My tactic so far has been simple:  don’t take the kid. I share your dilemma.  Life with two year old is not really the ideal situation for spending day after day astream, especially if Mom wants to go fishing as badly as Dad does… The ‘find a couple and share babysitting’ plan is a good one.  You could probably get 6 weekends/year from that plan.  One weekend/month/couple:  one month you babysit, one month they babysit. If your life is anything like mine (hectic), one weekend every other month is probably as often as you can get away. Basically, my advice is this:  FAMILY.  Grandparents, great- grandparents (if your child is so lucky) aunts & uncles, etc.  They’re the best babysitters money can buy (free), and they’ll treat your child like family–obviously.  And most kids think of grandma or a favorite aunt/uncle as being at least as fun as the county fair, if not better. If you can get a family member to staty at your house, so much the better.  Thell them to pay-per-view anything they’d like, give them some $$$ for ordering pizza, etc., and make sure they know where the local park is and how to get there. If you don’t have any family in driving distance, consider moving. Unless, that is, you live far from family by design. <g  In which case I have no worthwhile advice for you. Some weekends, I’d give anything for a few hours of privacy (wink wink, nod nod) with the spousal unit.  I don’t care if the baby lives on M&Ms and Potato Chips for the entire weekend–just make sure there’s no crying in the background when I call to see how things are and I’ll have a good time without baby. With the upcomping Penns Clave, the wife & I are considering buying a big cabin tent (we live less than an hour from Coburn) and taking baby camping for the first time.  I’ve got some misgivings about exposing wife and baby to ROFFians, but it’s a possibility.  Wife doesn’t fly fish (yet), and baby will probably want to throw rocks in creek all day, but I’ve yet to find a better way to spend lots of time at the Clave.  Since we’re less than an hour from home, the worst that could happen is that we all go home at night. Tom G constantly struggling to find time to fish

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Not only family but friends are good resources.  Last time we took boys fishing (one good ol’ boy and one city boy), we went with Ol’ Whiskerface’s buddy.  One day, I’d take the kids sightseeing (indian ruins, big rocks, A&W rootbeer), the next day one or both menfolks would take one or both boys fishing, while I caught dinner.  We kinda "spread the wealth."  Now both boys all groan up and never call their mother.  Enjoy the little beggers while you can. Bob’s Wife in El Paso. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Basically, my advice is this:  FAMILY.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

Really.  I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing.  Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos.   TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Life as you knew is over. Some good tips in this thread but none that will make it like it was.  One reason there is so many geezers in roff is they have to wait till the kids leave and the dog dies to get back to fly fishing.  Fish when you can enjoy the kid. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it.

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?      None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something.                   Charlie,                   getting in touch with my feminine side

    I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced.                                     Kelly

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[snip]     I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced.                                     Kelly

the answers are: "Because I have a wonderful wife and their wives were real B^%$^s"  or "Now don’t go putting any silly ideas in my head"

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I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick

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I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick

All in a days work, Rick! As a single guy for 42 years, you damn sure don’t want a serious reply from me.  Besides, I wouldn’t have a clue what to suggest.  But I have heard that bears are nurturing critters, to a point. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Seriously I think the only thing that would come close is taking the kid,…I have a friend who had been fly fishing with her dad since the age of 3 she is now 50 and coaches top fly fishers herself. Some of us are really lucky to have understanding spouses, in fact mine cancelled a golf afternoon without a blink because I planned to go fishing away for a weekend and forgot to tell him. Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick

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Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

LOL.  This is one of the funniest lines I’ve read on ROFF (I hope you intended it that way) and a sure candidate for Brutally Honest Comment of the Year. JR

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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Cheap rod a child can use

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?

Each of you fish half a day. There’ll be plenty of time for romance fishing when the kid’s older. –Steve (hey, you asked…)

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Children are God’s way of telling you that you have no business enjoying life. As toddlers they take up your time because they are helpless otherwise. As adolescents they must be shuttled to and fro from one activity to the next. As teenagers they are mean, nasty, vulgar little shits that may or may not require bail. As young adults they seem to have finally gotten their shit together, but will eventually destroy what is left of your sanity. As full grown adults they will fight with their siblings over some supposed fortune you are planning to leave, and then place you and your spouse in separate retirement homes. Realize of course that I speak from experience as a single guy.  BTW, mom and dad left me with nothing and they are presently communicating via the USPS, because I wouldn’t pay to have phone installed in their rooms at Shady Lake and Happy Trails Retirement Centers. Opie  –Bastard Son–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter

Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it. Peter

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?

     None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something.                   Charlie,                   getting in touch with my feminine side

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I am seriously considering opening a flyshop, but need help with methods of capture.  I have tried using fly strips, but can’t get a complete fly loose from the strip.  Wings, legs, and various other body parts just peel off the flys.  I have also tried using the fly rod, but I can only imagine that one must be especially adept at hooking flys with a long pole, loose string, and a tiny hook.  I have considered using my hands, but that is so disgusting. Once caught, how does one go about preserving the fly for sale? Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Fishing-Shop Fellow

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Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Waldo has this pal Opie that always seems to have flies buzzing about… <g — Charlie…

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Need to work on my stealth posting methods too, I guess? Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am seriously considering opening a flyshop, but need help with methods of capture.  I have tried using fly strips, but can’t get a complete fly loose from the strip.  Wings, legs, and various other body parts just peel off the flys.  I have also tried using the fly rod, but I can only imagine that one must be especially adept at hooking flys with a long pole, loose string, and a tiny hook.  I have considered using my hands, but that is so disgusting. Once caught, how does one go about preserving the fly for sale? Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Fishing-Shop Fellow

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Need to work on my stealth posting methods too, I guess?

Nah, that’s about the right amount. Too much and it’s not funny, it’s just sneaky. — Charlie…

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Dammit Charlie, I was goin’ for sneaky, not funny.  Who would ever figger that anyone would actually notice my e-address? Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Need to work on my stealth posting methods too, I guess? Nah, that’s about the right amount. Too much and it’s not funny, it’s just sneaky. — Charlie…

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Just keep your mouth wide open, and remove the contents occasionally.

It will also help immensely if you eat shit. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Now that’s just down right rude Stevie!  I hope that you don’t eat with that mouth. I hope your horsey has better manners! Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**

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Just keep your mouth wide open, and remove the contents occasionally. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Greetings fellow Albertan, Are you using sniffer software to do that? If so, which application?

Various tools. (You can find all manner of fairly decent stuff as shareware on sites like winfiles.com and download.com. For example… Here’s the trace of the server that you posted from… Real-time report for srv1.calcna.ab.ca [198.161.243.11] (70% done) Analysis: Node ’srv1.calcna.ab.ca’ was found in 28 hops (TTL=237). It is a HTTP server (running NCSA/1.5). | Hop | Err | IP Address     | Node Name                        | Location                | ms  | Graph      | Network                         | | 0   |     | 10.1.1.4       | KSHPHL-NB123                     | …                     |     |            | (private use)                  | | 1   | 6   |                |                                  |                         |     |            |                                | | 9   |     | 4.0.1.25       | h2-1-0.nyc1-br2.bbnplanet.net    | New | 10  |     | 4.0.2.182      | h3-0-0.nyc4-br2.bbnplanet.net    | New York, NY, USA       | 87  |  x-        | BBN Planet                     | | 11  |     | 4.0.2.130      | p2-3.nyc4-nbr3.bbnplanet.net     | New York, NY, USA       | 76  | -x-        | BBN Planet                     | | 12  |     | 4.24.4.237     | p4-1.bstnma1-ba2.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 77  |  x-        | BBN Planet                     | | 13  |     | 4.24.7.121     | p7-0.bstnma1-br2.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 54  | -x         | BBN Planet                     | | 14  |     | 4.0.1.245      | p4-0.washdc3-br1.bbnplanet.net   | Washington, DC, USA     | 61  |  x         | BBN Planet                     | | 15  |     | 4.24.4.146     | p3-0.washdc3-br2.bbnplanet.net   | Washington, DC, USA     | 58  |  x         | BBN Planet                     | | 16  |     | 4.24.5.134     | p3-0.lsanca1-br2.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 133 |   x-       | BBN Planet                     | | 17  |     | 4.24.4.13      | p2-0.lsanca1-br1.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 140 |   -x       | BBN Planet                     | | 18  |     | 4.0.6.38       | p4-0.evrtwa1-ba1.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 150 |    x       | BBN Planet                     | | 19  |     | 4.24.5.102     | p1-0.evrtwa1-cr1.bbnplanet.net   | –                       | 247 |    –x–   | BBN Planet                     | | 20  |     | 4.24.125.50    | p0-0.bctel.bbnplanet.net         | –                       | 230 |    –x-    | BBN Planet                     | | 21  |     | 209.53.75.93   | inetgw4-s1.bctel.net             | ?(Canada)               | 183 |    -x      | BC TEL Advanced Communications | | 22  |     | 204.174.218.37 | tac-i4-pos1.bctel.net            |                         | 232 |     -x     | ?204.174.218.0                 | | 23  |     | 205.233.111.82 | CLGR01-CORR01.tac.net            | ?Calgary, AL, Canada    | 218 |     x-     | AGT Advanced Communications     | | 24  |     | 192.168.3.26   | –                                | …                     | 260 |     -x-    | (private use)                  | | 25  |     | 192.168.47.3   | –                                | …                     | 228 |     x-     | (private use)                  | | 26  |     | 136.159.86.4   | –                                |                         | 223 |     x-     | ?136.159.86.0                  | | 27  | 5   |                |                                  |                         |     |            |                                | | 28  |     | 198.161.243.11 | srv1.calcna.ab.ca                | ?Calgary, AL, Canada    | 225 |     x-     | Calgary Free-Net Association   | You’ll have to re-format it to fit though. From this information I can tell that you’re in Calgary (my old hometown!) and using one of the freenet servers. (Is that still around?!?) Once I know this I can run smaller server to constantly monitor what the comes out of this server. (I can’t really divulge this as it can be used maliciously and is not something you just give out to john q. public) During this monitoring I’d use a process called stateful inspection to look at packets coming from a target address range and see if I could actually isolate the users IP. The I would re-train the "mole" towards this address and see if I could re-construct what was happening and maybe even do packet re-assebly to snoop on what’s being done. If they’re not running SSL then it’s usually very easy to do this. With SSL it’s a bit trickier. Would that be www.COMCAST.net ?

distribute. I remember when the cable modem service first came online they tried to make a go of it on their own but it did not work out too good. The they went over to @HOME. Heck, This is a fishing NG not a how to be a deliquent NG… (GRIN) the latest project is to find a way to track really successful fly fishermen to find out where their "honey holes" are! <wink — Michael Era

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it.

I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it. I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count?

It depends, Wayne. How many flies did they "give" you? You’d have to divide the cost of the rod by the number of flies, but then you’d still have the rod. So I guess is doesn’t count. Now if you actually wanted the flies but not the rod, and the only way they’d sell you the flies was with the rod … My most expensive fly was an ordinary beadhead nymph. I was fishing some high water in May, snagged it on the other side of the stream, and took a bath going to retrieve it, ruining the $600 camera I was foolishly carrying. I just got a digital camera but I don’t yet have a waterproof case. (Soon!) I won’t wade in more than 6" of water if I’m carrying it. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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my own slamon flies but a few I have bought.  I paid $95 for an Art Flick Cream Variant.  Looking back, I think I got soaked.  I have two Poul Jorgensen speys that I paid $60 for the both.  Mary Dette will sell you her dries & nymphs for $2.50 a piece yet.  Fran Betters will tie you on order for 2 bucks per fly.  I much prefer trading, though.  John Gierach has a "Trade Wind" that I tied, and in exchange I have two Labrador drakes, a hopper, and a stonefly.  He is actually a real good tier.  Ed Shenk has a Ruby butterfly of mine (probably in a desk drawer.)  My next target is Gary Lafontaine.  If anybody can give me his mailing address, can I have it?  He won’t answer my emails! Pete C

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I have some gorilla charlies tied from fur gathered from a mature silvertip lowland gorilla by a zoo vet.  The were free but would probably be somewhat difficult  to replace.

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______  In this case, it isn’t a question of ‘expensive’ even though a dry fly tied by George Harvey is now going for $125 each.  There is a limited number of these jewels of dry fly perfection in THIS MANS remaining lifetime.  No George is still with us, (Thank You Lord!) but the fact remains, he is probably ‘thee’ premier dry fly tier in the world.  With eye sight failing, George (The Dry Fly Man) Harvey probably ties the best dry flies in the world.  There is no one his equal or superior.  He is an icon of ‘the craft.’   I can tie dry flies nearly as nice as George Harvey’s but I had tying lessons by  him and I was a very inattentive student.  I watched HOW he USED his hands, his fingers, his wrists.  I spent hours watching him, right by his side in many Eastern Fly Tying Shows.  To watch George tie just ONE FLY is enough information to turn on six more light bulbs in ones head.  It isn’t so much the things you remember but the many little things you miss.  The subtitles, the way the feathers are placed, a dozen things slips by even an experts eye.  One has to see him tie more than one, to get it right. The fact is, a George Harvey tied dry fly is worth more than just money.  I have several dozen of these flies which I have paid George a small fortune for.  He chuckles at my sincerity regarding his value to the world of Fly Fishing.  Those flies are now sitting in a safe.  The question is, would anyone here fish with one of these flies AFTER paying $125 or more for one? I would.  In fact, I do.  They sit on the water, like magic.  He sits on my shoulder watching the drift.   And the trout cometh. Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://216.55.26.157/vchat/   http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com (Bamboo Is Fun) http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Several fly fishing books for sale from my collection.  All by famous authors; new and pre-owned books.  E-Mail me for list of books and prices. JWTrout

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Several fly fishing books for sale from my collection.  All by famous authors; new and pre-owned books.  E-Mail me for list of books and prices. JWTrout

Hi John Please email me the list. Thanks. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty Whiting Farms (Hoffman Hackle)

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

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Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

Ralph, Could you post a Tahoe area report here? Thanks, Michael Smith

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Try Sunset crater the area if really nice, and if I’m not mistaken… It is where some of the Lunar Apollo astronauts trained for a while back in the 60’s. Not too far from Flagstaff either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example.

At Peak to Peak Trail and Wilderness Links (http://home.earthlink.net/~swfry/pk2pk/p2p.html) you will find 15 web sites listed for Arizona and 11 for Utah – each with trip reports and trail descriptions! Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

–      Peak to Peak Trail and Wilderness Links   http://home.earthlink.net/~swfry/pk2pk/p2p.html

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I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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12 Sept 97 To hike and include fly fishing, try the Lake Poweel area with a day the North Rim of the Grand Canyon is always spectacular. Normally, I’d say spend a few days in Supai, 8 miles into the Canyon with the only Native Americans still living in the Canyon.But flash flooding makes that a bad idea just now. You might give some thought to hiking in Bryce Canyon, Zion (though they might be having flash floods too), and through the Rim country in Sedona. Lots of variety and weather conditions. Usually this would be a great time of year to come here, but the very late monsoons have made every afternoon a potential thunderstorm nightmare. In fact, yesterday, NE of Flagstaff by 60 miles there were 4 funnel clouds spotted while 2 hikers were caught in a flash flood in the Canyon. Perhaps another month will bring some sanity to our weather. Have a great time. If you need books, maps, or equipment let us know. // – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy.

It would be unlikely (though not impossible) that it’s primary function was as a salmon rod. Even today salmon in Britain are normally fished for with two-handed rods, from 12 to 15 or more feet long. You may fish for summer fish with a shorter rod but you’ll then be said to be fishing with a trout rod. It might well be one of two things: a sea-trout rod (in other words trout that migrate to sea like steelhead) and are fished for on rivers – that is if the action is quite tight and fast, or, I think more likely,  a boat rod,  for fishing for trout from a boat drifiting along on a lake with the prevailing wind. In this fashion, casts are quite short, and very soft rods were used – very often around this length. I still have one my father inherited in the 1920s from a major Irish fisherman, but I must say that I find it unfishable. I fish with split cane on the English chalkstreams, but anything of ten foot I would find very hard going

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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Ed, I think this rod was made by (or for ?) Carter & Co., London that appears to have been a tackle store (??) that existed from 1853 till 1969. The company changed it’s name from Alfred Carter to Carter & Co. in 1901, so your rod is definitely post 1901. This is all I could find out from my books. regards Inge Solberg Houston, TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age. It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods. Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

Heck, I’m no expert (for sure) but I may be able to point you in the right direction.  It does sound like a salmon rod, probably taking about an 8 to 10 weight line.  The wraps every inch or so were called "intermediate wraps" and were originally used when glues weren’t very good.  However, UK-built rods seem to value tradition and rods with intermediate wraps were available in the 1970’s (I believe from Clifford Constable — or was it J.Sharpe?).  In my web wanderings I found a site that frequently auctions cane rods in the UK (I think it is www.auctions-on-line.com, if that doesn’t work e-mail me and I’ll find it) with descriptions, etc.  Sorry I can’t help with the name of the actual maker — I only know of companies that were on the scene in the 1970’s or later (i.e., Hardy, Constable, Farlow, Sharpe, Partridge, etc.). BTW–If you do find out exactly what it is, please post a follow-up. George (Irish descent, not living in Ireland)

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Does anyone have any experience with Collins hackle?  Their prices seem attractive $45 – #1  $35 – #2  $21 – #3  $15 – Comercial grade.  They include the saddle with the cape.  I know everyones favorite seems to be Hoffman but any experience with this stuff? Thanx for any input PVM — Love means never having to say excuse me! / Paul V. Moruzzi                                                       | Patient Monitoring Division (PMD)                                     | | Hewlett Packard                           HP Telnet: 1-659-7850       | | 3000 Minuteman Road                           Voice: 1-508-659-7850   | | Andover, Ma.  01810-1099                        Fax: 1-508-685-5372   |

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I have several Collins sets. The saddles aren’t equal to Hoffman, no other saddles are. The necks I have are inferior to equal grade Hoffman, better than Metz. But the Collins are an excellent value. Most of mine are in unusual natural colors that fit a particular need for my tying. I’m happy to have the Collins sets I’ve got and will buy more the next time I see him at a show.

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Anyone using gortex waders? Do they really let the sweat out and keep the water out?

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The March/April issue of Fly Rod and Reel has a full review of many different brands of Gortex waders.  In summary, yes they do breath, but they puncture so easily that some of the ones reviewed would barely make it through one season of fishing. dp

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Anyone using gortex waders? Do they really let the sweat out and keep the

water out? << YUP                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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I have several Collins sets. The saddles aren’t equal to Hoffman, no other saddles are. The necks I have are inferior to equal grade Hoffman, better than Metz. But the Collins are an excellent value. Most of mine are in unusual natural colors that fit a particular need for my tying. I’m happy to have the Collins sets I’ve got and will buy more the next time I see him at a show.

I have a Collins grizzly (sp?) neck and the feather count is phenominal.  Metz and Hoffman necks look meager compared to it.

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Anyone using gortex waders? Do they really let the sweat out and keep the water out?

There was a very good review of these waders in Fly Rod and Reel last month. They are extremely comfortable. They all leak within 40-50 hours of wear, therefore the guarantee that comes with them is a very important consideration.

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Anyone using gortex waders? Do they really let the sweat out and keep the water out?

We use them in our school and swear by them. This is the first year we didn’t preseason order a bunch of neoprene or coated waders. We are using the simms micro fibers and love ‘em. —

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There was a very good review of these waders in Fly Rod and Reel last month. They are extremely comfortable. They all leak within 40-50 hours of wear, therefore the guarantee that comes with them is a very important consideration.

This is not quite true.  The ones that were tested for the article leaked within 40-50 hours.  On the other hand, I’ve put 110-120 hours on my Simms this year without a hint of a leak.   Of course, I don’t go charging through nettle patches either! — John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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The March/April issue of Fly Rod and Reel has a full review of many different brands of Gortex waders.  In summary, yes they do breath, but they puncture so easily that some of the ones reviewed would barely make it through one season of fishing. dp

It’s been my experience after two seasons with Cabella’s Goretex waders that the article in Fly Rod & Reel was somewhat misleading.  It’s true that some leaks do develop, but the leaks I have experienced are so small as to be almost undiscernable.  Typically, I only notice them when I see a small damp spot on the interior lining of the Waders.   I have yet to have a leak serious enough to penetrate my clothing.  Also, a small dab of aquaseal has cured them all.  In summary, the moisture that seeps in has been far less than the sweat from non-breathable waders.  I’ll never change back – at least during the warmer months. Mike Mike Ray                    "…sex, death and fly-fishing; Atlanta, Georgia            are we real participants or just observers,    404-332-6661             and what kind of difference does it make?" Cashiers, NC                                    John Gierach    704-743-5625

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I have used the original Simms Gortext for several years.  They do keep out the water and let the sweat pass through, but they are prone to getting little pin hole leaks.  If i were to buy some today, i would get the Simms Guide model because of the extra material protecting against leaks or the Orvis because of the warranty and the built in neoprene booty. JR

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We use them in our school and swear by them. This is the first year we didn’t preseason order a bunch of neoprene or coated waders. We are using the simms micro fibers and love ‘em.

Hi Ralph, Ditto’s on everything you said. I guided 83 trips last year in a pair of Simms gortex. They are in good enough shape I expect to get another season out of them. Regarding leaks, I got one when I pushed my way through a patch of wild roses and nettle. They were very easy to fix. They really are amazing. Not sweating profusely on a warm day in chest waders is unusual. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catlog)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There was a very good review of these waders in Fly Rod and Reel last month. They are extremely comfortable. They all leak within 40-50 hours of wear, therefore the guarantee that comes with them is a very important consideration. This is not quite true.  The ones that were tested for the article leaked within 40-50 hours.  On the other hand, I’ve put 110-120 hours on my Simms this year without a hint of a leak.   Of course, I don’t go charging through nettle patches either! — John Johnson Atlanta, GA

John- I’m glad you have had good luck with your waders. When gortex waders first came out Rusty Gates at Gates Au Sable lodge sold 15 pairs (Simms). My dad and I both bought them. Of the 15 pairs 14 were returned due to leaks within one season including mine. Despite this, I remained quite optimistic about them so I tried a pair of Cabela’s goretex waders (I am not sure but they looked exactly like the Simms). they also leaked after a few uses and I returned them. I assure that I don’t "to charging through nettle patches either!". The leaks that developed were more like steady oozing around the knees or feet. Undaunted (and perhaps lacking wisdom) last year I bought a pair of Orvis "No Sweat" waders which I absolutely love. So far, no leaks, but they are made of a micropore material that is different than Goretex. In conclusion, I think that the product is improving but durability may not be one of it’s strengths. Comfort, on the other hand, is!! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

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I have used the original Simms Gortext for several years.  They do keep out the water and let the sweat pass through, but they are prone to getting little pin hole leaks.  If i were to buy some today, i would get the Simms Guide model because of the extra material protecting against leaks or the Orvis because of the warranty and the built in neoprene booty. JR

Hi John, I heard that Simms is also coming out with a neoprene foot on theirs this year as well. I found with my Simms gortex that it’s a good idea to stay away from nettle and wild roses. The little points make pin hole leaks in the inner gortex lining that don’t show on the outer shell. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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