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OK, maybe this is stupid, maybe its not. The reason I never did any big game hunting (deer, moose, etc) was I felt sorry for the animals. No problem whatsoever with my buddies who did it; I like deer meat. But I had this horrible empathy for them so I didn’t want to shoot them myself. Let someone else more steel-willed do it. Now, when I see pictures of trout on the fly, I see always notice them staring down at their mouths, like they are trying like hell to see what they have that is dragging them out of the water. Its like they are totally amazed or something. Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal? riverman

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Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal? riverman

I read somewhere that the fish tries to keep its eyes pointing up so if it is lying on its side it looks as if it is looking at its nose, this is one way of telling if a fish in a picture is alive or dead. I wonder if that is why a fish stays still if you hold it lying on its back making it dissorientated. — Don`t Worry, Be Happy       Sandy —       Website:-  http://www.ftscotland.co.uk     IRC:- Sandyb in #Rabble  uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667      #Rabble Channel Website:- http://rabbled.cjb.net              ICQ : 41266150

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, maybe this is stupid, maybe its not. The reason I never did any big game hunting (deer, moose, etc) was I felt sorry for the animals. No problem whatsoever with my buddies who did it; I like deer meat. But I had this horrible empathy for them so I didn’t want to shoot them myself. Let someone else more steel-willed do it. Now, when I see pictures of trout on the fly, I see always notice them staring down at their mouths, like they are trying like hell to see what they have that is dragging them out of the water. Its like they are totally amazed or something. Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal?

Yes. Stop it. Go fishing. TL, Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal? riverman I read somewhere that the fish tries to keep its eyes pointing up so if it is lying on its side it looks as if it is looking at its nose, this is one way of telling if a fish in a picture is alive or dead. I wonder if that is why a fish stays still if you hold it lying on its back making it dissorientated.

They are disorientated.  Next time you have a trout held inverted,  watch what it does with its dorsal and pectoral fins and to a lesser degree the ventral fin.  If you move the trout to different angles,  you can induce him to try to roll in the opposite direction.  The fish obviously uses its fins to manoeuvre in the current just like the rudders on a aeroplane.  The trout must be bewildered as to why he cannot control his position whilst in air ~ everything must feel wrong to the fish, and so he dedicates all his brain power into trying to get himself back the right way up before he uses his tail to swim away.  If a trout is delicately help upside down he is so easy to unhook and release ~  however, a grayling is a different matter altogether! Regards, Michael.

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No need to feel sorry for the animals, they dont give a squat about you.  As far as the fish is concerned you are trying to relate to them in human terms…its a fish for pete sakes, its brain is the size of a pebble.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, maybe this is stupid, maybe its not. The reason I never did any big game hunting (deer, moose, etc) was I felt sorry for the animals. No problem whatsoever with my buddies who did it; I like deer meat. But I had this horrible empathy for them so I didn’t want to shoot them myself. Let someone else more steel-willed do it. Now, when I see pictures of trout on the fly, I see always notice them staring down at their mouths, like they are trying like hell to see what they have that is dragging them out of the water. Its like they are totally amazed or something. Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal?

Considering your catch rate, Riverman, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Think of it this way. If the fish weighed 500 pounds and you were floating down the river, he’d eat you. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Not that I’m gonna quit fishing or anything, but when I see pics like this one http://www.ncffb.org/cgi-bin/ncffb.cgi?read=139220 I just sort of find myself feeling sorry for the poor bastard. Is this, like, completely abnormal? Considering your catch rate, Riverman, I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

If that weren’t so painfully true, it’d be funny. Actually, its pretty funny anyway. riverman

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Greetings.  I am new to this group, and have recently begun taking an interest in fishing streams and rivers after years of fishing lakes for bass, walleye, pike, etc.  Particularly, I am interested in trout and steelhead, and other such fish.  However, being that I am not very familiar with the local streams and rivers, information is scarce, and I have little time to do any real, meaningful leg-work, I do not know where to look for these fish on local waters. Hence, I would like to inquire if anyone has any knowledge on the subject. As described, I am looking for information on where to look for trout, steelhead, and the like in rivers and streams in NE Ohio, either on a fly or other tackle; the closer to Cleveland, the better. I realize that there has been extensive stocking of these fish in years past in the Chagrin and Rocky rivers.  However, quite often, these rivers are hard to fish due to crowding.  I have heard, thought, that there are some excellent spots which, due to being hard to reach, are very easy to fish. Anyhow, back to the question.  Do you know of any particular areas in any of the waters of NE Ohio which are likely to hold fish?  I am not asking anyone to give up a "secret hole" or anything of that nature.  However, I would be grateful if anyone could recommend a specific area on any of the regional waters which have a high propensity to hold the aforementioned fish. Thank you for any information you can provide.  Also, if my writing has been may be able to better answer my question. Ron

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Greetings.  I am new to this group, and have recently begun taking an interest in fishing streams and rivers after years of fishing lakes for bass, walleye, pike, etc.  Particularly, I am interested in trout and steelhead, and other such fish.

Try this site:  http://www.FishUSA.com/FishErie/ vince norris

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I was up to Kolob (as the locals say) about three years ago.  They were draining it for dam repairs.  I know they have completed repairs, refilled, and restocked it.  Has anyone been there LATELY and can tell me about current fishing conditions? I have a brand new never been used flyfishing rig.  What are some good flies for that lake? Thanks for the info.  I will write when I return and let you know how I did.  ( I will tell you in advance that they will ALL be big.) Steve Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Go to www.utahfishfinder.com for the latest reports on ALL the hot fishing spots, what you’ll catch, and what they’re biting… I’m not a flyfisherman, but the Green River below Flaming Gorge seems to be a popular spot for flies… Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was up to Kolob (as the locals say) about three years ago.  They were draining it for dam repairs.  I know they have completed repairs, refilled, and restocked it.  Has anyone been there LATELY and can tell me about current fishing conditions? I have a brand new never been used flyfishing rig.  What are some good flies for that lake? Thanks for the info.  I will write when I return and let you know how I did.  ( I will tell you in advance that they will ALL be big.) Steve Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Wolfgang wrote Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool?    :)

Boys will be boys will Be boys will be boys will be Men, and men will die.                               …Jay Jenks, boyhood pal now beyond the pale —                                                       -dnc-

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I had a subscription to WarmWater Flyfishing and after the first year I decided not to renew.Why?I found that the magazine was starting to get into the pattern of typical "bassin’" magazines.You know;slow and deep for winter bass,deadly patterns for early spring bluegills etc.The first few issues had my attention with articles on catching gar or peacock bass.After that there was too much redundancy.Other flyfishing magazines include enough articles on warm water flyfishing to fill the void.I like flyfishing magazines better than spinfisherman magazines because most of the time they don’t have that gonzo bass-pro attitude.W.W.Flyfishing seemed to me to be developing an identity crisis.Were all us flyfishing bass chasers really bassboat plug chuckers who had a desperate need to tie flies that looked and worked just as good as a spinnerbait and a plastic worm?I don’t think so. Tight Lines,Shawn

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Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys.

Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool?    :)

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Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Hm, so what does this tell us about all the folks who have purchased a certain unnamed and oh so affordable knot tying tool?    :)

I guess I will have to raise the price to seperate the men from the boys. Ernie

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In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. — Don Thompson well, speaking from long experience, I’d say your nsho is wrong.

Yep, gotta agree with this one.  Bought my Estwing straight claw nearly twenty years ago and have pounded more nails, recalcitrant boards, various impedimenta, and thumbs with it than I care to remember.  If all tools were made this well a whole lot of manufacturers would soon go out of business. Wolfgang who, after all the rhapsodies in praise of cordless screwdrivers here in the past couple of weeks and after becoming hopelessly snarled in electrical cords while constructing a grape arbor this weekend, spent a full hour yesterday ogling the latest offerings from DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, et al.

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Wolfie The only difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolfgang who, after all the rhapsodies in praise of cordless screwdrivers here in the past couple of weeks and after becoming hopelessly snarled in electrical cords while constructing a grape arbor this weekend, spent a full hour yesterday ogling the latest offerings from DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, et al.

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Geez! What the hell is wrong with you people? One guy expresses his opinion and he’s jumped on. Amazing.

Nothing wrong with the people here, John. Suffice it to say that nobody on this list (with the exception of me and one or two other folks who lurk but don’t post) knows what the real deal was with the closure of Warmwater.

Mr. Smith firmly stated that he did know "the real deal" and he was even willing to bet his hammer on it. Thank you for setting the record straight. Now, back to the newsgroup.

Been here all along. — Ken Fortenberry

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I don’t understand what is going on with this thread. I enjoyed the magazine,and thought it was well done. I appreciate the efforts of John and his staff in promoting Warmwater fly fishing and I miss the magazine.

Never read the magazine. I did receive an unsolicited copy of 8 wt Journal in the mail one time. It was OK, but I was never tempted to subscribe. What I objected to was the slurs against the new CEO at Abenaki. Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry

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Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF.

I sure agree with that. Big Dale

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Geez! What the hell is wrong with you people? One guy expresses his opinion and he’s jumped on. Amazing. Suffice it to say that nobody on this list (with the exception of me and one or two other folks who lurk but don’t post) knows what the real deal was with the closure of Warmwater. To those who liked and supported the magazine, my thanks. Now, back to the newsgroup. John Likakis

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Never read the magazine. I did receive an unsolicited copy of 8 wt Journal in the mail one time. It was OK, but I was never tempted to subscribe. What I objected to was the slurs against the new CEO at Abenaki. Most distasteful and uncalled for in my opinion. You can miss the magazine without bad mouthing someone, especially when that person is in no position to defend himself here on ROFF.

Your right. Perhaps I shouldn’t have directed my dissapointment so strongly at the publisher.  It is just that I am Interested in people with vision.  People who understand that the only differance between dreams and reality, is the making the dream, a reality. Still, I believe the decision to end Warm Water was premature.  At this point in history, the average person thinks that flyfishing is for trout only.  Warm Water Flyfishing magazine challenged that assumption directly.  Great ideas take time to bring into reality sometimes. I enjoy watching fishing shows when I get a chance.  A few years ago, you didn’t see that many flyfishing episodes let alone flyfishing for warm water species.  Since the advent of Warm Water Flyfishing magazine, I have been able to enjoy several episodes including warm water species. Fly fishing for carp?  Why not to long ago I watched an entire episode of Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh fly fishing for carp! They were calling it the *fresh water bonefish*.  Wow!  I credit people like John Likakis and his magazine, with stimulating the interest. Another reason I feel thet the decision was premature, is because the flyfishing industry, itself, was just beginning to wake up to the possibilities ( this was the point I was driving home in a previous post).  Warm water flyfishing has different tackle needs.  A magazine that broadened the market can only strengthen the industry. It’s too bad they didn’t wake up sooner.                                     Mike Smith

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Mr. Fortenberry:    My complement and support for John Likakis, was both genuine and heartfelt.  I meant it as nothing more than that.

Well, with friends like you and your Winston, Mr. Likakis sure as hell doesn’t need any enemies. — Ken Fortenberry

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 In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I’m willing to bet the Estwing hammer that I swing for a living, that I’ve hit the nail on the head.

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In my not so humble opinion your estwing hammer isn’t the proper tool to try hitting nails with. — Don Thompson

well, speaking from long experience, I’d say your nsho is wrong.       Jim Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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aren’t big enough for bass and pike flys, maybe I should look for suppliers.  Ooops! Where do I look?

For feathers more suitable for bass and pike flies you should check out the feathers from Ewing Featherbirds inc. of Waterville,Ia.The last catalog I have MWflytying.com as another source for materials for tying bass flys. I don’t understand what is going on with this thread. I enjoyed the magazine,and thought it was well done. I appreciate the efforts of John and his staff in promoting Warmwater fly fishing and I miss the magazine. Big Dale                                                                      

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I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill.

I’m with you, Ken… In the immortal words of Mr. Class-Act himself… DON’T FEED THE TROLL!! –Steve

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While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, … I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill.

Mr. Fortenberry:    My complement and support for John Likakis, was both genuine and heartfelt.  I meant it as nothing more than that.  I have been lurking here for quite some time, but it was not until I found that he was reading on the usenet that I have ever felt compelled to post anything on the usenet before.  This was my first time.      Yes, I do resent Abenaki’s (or perhaps more accuratly Rodale Press’s) decision to end publication of Warm Water Flyfishing magazine.  I love my sport deeply, and I have many thanks for people, like Mr. Likakis, who have been spreading the news that flyfishing is an all around sport.    My Winston 5wt and I have enjoyed many great experiances together on these wonderful Green Mountain streams.  But thanks to Mr. Likakis and Warm Water Flyfishing, my Sage 7wt and I am getting very well aquianted with these Green Mountain lakes and rivers.  And guess what?  I can’t wait for my first opportunity to lock into a carp on my fly rod.    Perhaps my 7wt won’t be enough. Maybe I should look into an 8wt.  It might be a good idea because I can use it for Pike also.  It could be that a 6wt would be just the thing for the White river.    It’s my suspicion, Mr. Fortenberry, that the decision to end this fine magazines publication, had less to do with lack of interest on the part of the public, and more to do with piss poor sales support by management.  It’s just another case of city bound account executives inability to see the green through the skyscrapers.  And I’m willing to bet the Estwing hammer that I swing for a living, that I’ve hit the nail on the head.    In the meantime, I think I will look into a Bauer reel to go along with that 8wt.  Also these feathers that I use for tying trout flys aren’t big enough for bass and pike flys, maybe I should look for suppliers.  Ooops! Where do I look?                                  Mike Smith

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While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, …

I don’t know anything about the gripe you & John have against the new CEO at Abenaki but your rabble rousing in ROFF is transparent, distasteful and as phony as a three dollar bill. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given.

If it had been profitable to publish it, it would still be published. The warm water species of choice in the US is the largemouth bass and a flyrod is neither the popular nor the best way to catch a largemouth bass. The flyfishing industry, like all capitalist industry, exists to make a profit, and that can sometimes be cruel, especially to visionaries. — Ken Fortenberry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. If it had been profitable to publish it, it would still be published. The warm water species of choice in the US is the largemouth bass and a flyrod is neither the popular nor the best way to catch a largemouth bass. The flyfishing industry, like all capitalist industry, exists to make a profit, and that can sometimes be cruel, especially to visionaries.

While I have long gray hair, I can assure you that I am no relation to John, nor do I have any resemblence to any mom you ever met.                                  Mike Smith

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Many thanks for the kind thoughts. Perhaps some other visionary publishing company might like to hire me! (Doesn’t seem real likely.) John Likakis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John:  I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regrets and disappointment with the present management of Abenaki Publishing’s decision to cancel publication of Warm Water Flyfishing Magazine. I believe it to be a very grave error in judgment on their part.  While fly fishing for warm water species has been a sporting activity for quite some time, your dedication and enthusiasm to popularizing this sport, beginning with your publication of the 8 WT. Journal, should, no less than leave you a chapter in the history of the great sport of flyfishing. It is a crying shame that the prophetic vision of your creative spirit, combined with shared vision and support of the previous CEO of Abenaki publishing, should be relaced by such ineptitude and lack of vision. Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. I hope that your chapter in history is not closed!!!

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John:  I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regrets and disappointment with the present management of Abenaki Publishing’s decision to cancel publication of Warm Water Flyfishing Magazine. I believe it to be a very grave error in judgment on their part.  While fly fishing for warm water species has been a sporting activity for quite some time, your dedication and enthusiasm to popularizing this sport, beginning with your publication of the 8 WT. Journal, should, no less than leave you a chapter in the history of the great sport of flyfishing. It is a crying shame that the prophetic vision of your creative spirit, combined with shared vision and support of the previous CEO of Abenaki publishing, should be relaced by such ineptitude and lack of vision. Indeed the flyfishing industry deserves some level of critisism for their lack of vision as well. A publication that both broadened and deepened their market deserved far more support than was given. I hope that your chapter in history is not closed!!!

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Anyone able to help out here with there experiences,I currently use SA xps WF7 on this rod and find it not a problem at all . Any body else experienced this. I feel the rod acts more like 7wt not 5 wt…..

You may be right.  I also use SA xps, but a DT5 in gray.  A stealthier approach for me. The rod has both grace and power.  I just love fishing it. Regards, jacknoir

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I have a 590SP.  I use a 6wt. Orvis Wonderline and it works great! Good luck, Forrest — Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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I am interested in your use of a DT on your SP590.  Sounds like the two lines (the DT5 and tyhe WF7) cover a pretty wide range of situations with the same rod.  Like fishing a bigassed river one day, and a little meadow crawler the next., with the same rod. Is that what you are after? Sage touts the "reserve power" bit on the SPs. Does the overlining kick it in? Ill have to try it. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone able to help out here with there experiences,I currently use SA xps WF7 on this rod and find it not a problem at all . Any body else experienced this. I feel the rod acts more like 7wt not 5 wt….. You may be right.  I also use SA xps, but a DT5 in gray.  A stealthier approach for me. The rod has both grace and power.  I just love fishing it. Regards, jacknoir

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Most good quality rods will handle several line sizes.  The size recommended by the maker is usually that size that most people would find works well under most conditions…and allows the rod to properly load at normal fishing distances…and for the designated action of the rod to come into play.  Most flyfishers have their own casting styles and fishing situations that are unique to them….and, as a consequence, tend to prefer certain actions on the rods with which they fish.  So…it’s not unusual to find flyfishers that will find a different weight line working better for them on a selected rod when that line weight is different than the recommended weight.  And, it is not unusual to find that fisherman disagree on the best line weight for a particular rod.  Also factoring in the type of fishing and the distance of your normal casts, affects what line is "best" for a particular rod.  Many flyfishers, myself included, tend to use several line weights on a rod….depending on the fishing situation at hand.  However, on the Sage LL rods, I pretty much stick to the manufacturers suggested weights as they work best for me…and I don’t like a much slower rod than the LL Sage…so I don’t overline it.  Now…the SPplus Sage is another matter…and I have overlined it by one and even two sizes at times….ditto on the RPLplus.  I recall a disagreement that I once had with the Harry Wilson (from Scott Rods a number of years ago) regarding a ten weight Scott that I bought.  I could put a thirteen weight on that rod and still feel that it was underlined.  Harry and I argued about that rod for a long time. I ended up returning it.  In retrospect, my casting style and the action that I wanted to bring out in the rod were vastly different than Harry’s. So…we were both right in the sense that we knew what worked best for us as individuals. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone able to help out here with there experiences,I currently use SA xps WF7 on this rod and find it not a problem at all . Any body else experienced this. I feel the rod acts more like 7wt not 5 wt….. You may be right.  I also use SA xps, but a DT5 in gray.  A stealthier approach for me. The rod has both grace and power.  I just love fishing it. Regards, jacknoir

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Also, while learning to fly cast or for those who never learn, many will overline their rods a few sizes. There are some rods that are so stiff and powerful that they must be overlined for everyone.

If this is intended to say that experienced casters don’t like to go up a line weight, then I’ll disagree. I’ve read that Joan Wulff says she routinely goes up a line weight. I fish a Winston IM6 4 weight with 6 weight line in situations where I have to make longer roll casts or cope with some wind. It handles the heavier line with aplomb. Yes, aplomb. I’ve never been in a situation where it couldn’t handle the amount of line I was trying to cast (which is probably a max of 60 feet). Rick

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Anyone able to help out here with there experiences,I currently use SA xps WF7 on this rod and find it not a problem at all . Any body else experienced this. I feel the rod acts more like 7wt not 5 wt…..

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Anyone able to help out here with there experiences,I currently use SA xps WF7 on this rod and find it not a problem at all . Any body else experienced this. I feel the rod acts more like 7wt not 5 wt…..

Hi All, I have seen this situation for many years. We all have a different casting strokes or styles. Some of us are high speed, tip casters and some, like this gentleman, have a slow stroke where he loads the rod way down into the butt. This is nothing new. I use a weight forward 5 floating line on that rod and it works fine for me. some of my fishing partners would use a #6 line. Not too many would use a #7 line.  I think a #7 line would start to over load that rod at 50+ feet. Also, while learning to fly cast or for those who never learn, many will overline their rods a few sizes. There are some rods that are so stiff and powerful that they must be overlined for everyone. PS: I might be wrong, but I think that the largest XPS is a #6????? Maybe it is a new GPX or maybe I am wrong?

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Hi gang,   I’m fishing this area while on vacation next week. I’d be glad to hear any advice from people who know the area. I’m looking to catch trout, not planning to keep any, and hope to get some photos of some nice ones. Jerry

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Check out the thread "Michigan Flyfishing Spots For Vacation" George Adams

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Try http://www.troutbums.com/.

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent.

Without knowing where you are going to be, I would have to say that anywhere is just fine. 14,000 lakes are filled with bass and sunnies galore.  Carp too, if you can get one. There are plenty of rivers offering smallies, drum, white bass, etc. The trout live in the northeast area above Duluth and also in the southeast along the Whitewater and Root river systems. Have fun and leave a few for the locals. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Thanks, –Kris Jacobs Kalamazoo, MI

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: Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday : morning on a week fishing & camping trip. : Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, : smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Geez….. That state is a fair sized piece of real estate! How far are you willing to drive?  Could you be a little more particular about which corner your gonna be in? If it were up to me, I’d go straight to the BWCA.  But then again, I’m gonna be there next month. — Jon Porter

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

Jeff,  If it’s fenced, or obviously private property, get permission. It’s a common courtesy that more sportsmen could afford to practice.   Often, the owners are so overwhelmed that a member of ‘the public’ is courteous enough to ask permission that they deed the land to you and volunteer to build a house for you at the water’s edge. ‘Course, other times, they just start shooting! :^) Charley

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A couple of friends are helping me into this sport, but I have a question about stream access I’m still a bit uncomfortable with…Some people seem to be very bold about entering a new stream, and some stick to obviously marked recreation areas. How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

Well-organised states (i.e. not all) print basic legal information about access in the booklet distributed free with fishing licences. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

This is really easy Jeff.  The more signs there are threatening castration for trespassing, the better and more exciting the fishing will be. Tim Walker

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That attitude Tim is what causes property owners to POST property. Mike

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I am new to the midwest and a local suggested I try the Pere Marquette. We live in Chicago, so I thought we’d make a weekend of the trip. I would appreciate the what, when, where, and how’s of fly fishing there for Salmon. Suggested camp grounds would be appreciated, as well as best route from Chicago and approximate travel time. Thanxs in advance, Bryan

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I am new to the midwest and a local suggested I try the Pere Marquette. We live in Chicago, so I thought we’d make a weekend of the trip. I would appreciate the what, when, where, and how’s of fly fishing there for Salmon. Suggested camp grounds would be appreciated, as well as best route from Chicago and approximate travel time. Thanxs in advance, Bryan

                                   * I am a native to MI (at least I am now) and I visit the PM rather frequently. If you email me at home I can give you phone numbers and the like for my favorite lodge.  I really like the Johnsons Pere Marquette lodge.  I have stayed there for only $35-/night midweek during the salmon season.  I don’t know what it is this year.  I now have a cabin of my own up there only 7 min. from the flies only water of the PM.  I suggest that you go mid-week if you can.  If you go, try to find the most inaccessible spot you can.  The river is so full of salmon you can practically walk across on their backs, in any hole in the river.  The trick is finding a place with few enough fellow fishermen that the fish haven’t already been spooked into oblivion.  A drift boat with a guide is an excellent solution if you have the money.  I have not done that yet, though.  The Johnsons lodge is also an Orvis shop (sorry) but they really are nice anyway.  They give away a really good map of the flies only section of the river.  It helps a lot.  Good luck.                                     * Lenny Bloksberg . . .

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Kirby, Grab your 4-5wt rod and head an hour south of SLC to Provo. Go up Provo Canyon and Fish anywhere between the city and Deer Creek Reservoir. You won’t be alone as this river is fished pretty heavily. But, "Love em and Leave em" is as highly regarded as the dominant religion is in Utah. The last two trips up the canyon have paid off for me. I have been using simple wooly boogers and other balack or brown nymph patterns. Pheasant tails have been particularly good to me. Use very light leaders as these fish all have PHD’s in entemology. You have to be stealthier than normal on this river but the fishing is great. 3-4 pound brown’s are not uncommon on this river. Good fishing, if you have any more questions drop me a line. RL

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My wife is working in Salt Lake City Utah for the next month.  I plan to visit her on the weekends and being from Austin Texas we see an opportunity to get in some fall fly fishing.  I would like tips on streams, access points, and fly patterns to generate a memorable fall fishing adventure near the great salt lakes.  

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