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This year we’re going to France to do some Fly-fishing. Does anybody has some experience in Bourgondie, Avergne, Midi-Pyrenes (or other places) thanks, martin
Hey Martin, have a look at the following WebPages. The first two are for fishing only, Union Nationale pour la P
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Need Info on Canada Fishing Lodges
Help! I am trying to get information (prices, contact inoformation, facilities, etc.) on Canada fishing lodges. I am most interested in fly-in lodges that have good Northern Pike fishing. I would appreciate any comments or suggestioins. Thanks, Irish Mike
hey mike. dont know where you are specifically, but my site lists some canadian content you can look into if you like. fishing page has some links for lodges etc. didnt say where you were looking so can’t narrow it down for you bear wiith us we are in midst of fixin the site up a bit. Brian http://members.home.net/walleyewarrior/ Fishing, hunting, camping, golf, outdoor leisure, sports pages. Get all the latest news, message boards, send greeting cards and more. Your one stop source for all pro sports results and info on your favorite teams.
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http://www.scottlakelodge.com one of the very best and most innovative.
www.sawmill-lodge.com Housekeeping and American Plans including 16 ft. Lund or Naden boats with 25 HP motors. All rates in Canadian Funds. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.scottlakelodge.com one of the very best and most innovative.
Irish Mike Ask this same question in (can.rec.fishing) NG Im sure yule get some good response Try these for A start… http://www.outdoor-canada.com/news.html http://www.sunsetcountry.net/
Ever think of an outpost….. No dinner bell out there…… Eat when your hungry &…. Fish when your not sleeping…..
Canada 2001
Minor Bay Lodge on Wollaston Lake, four 50"s caught this year says it all. www.minorbay.sk.ca
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Sticky ferrules cures?
Really? My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…
____ I know. Its an old wive’s-tale and was used long before Orvis started doing rods. The secret is SMOOTH and CLEAN. The Four Star AAAA Steel wool is used to shine the ferrule clean. It has minimum wear. For as much as you or anyone else will do (by hand) isn’t worth worrying about. However; even in a lathe spinning at high rpms, AAAA Steel Wool won’t wear unless you polish for a long time for the last micro-fitting of a set of ferrules. This is used not to wear anything off as much as polishing to the final MICRO FINISH that is smooth for a tight fit without lubrication. What most don’t realize is a dirty ferrule with lube on it only COMPOUNDS the wear and most ferrules are worn quicker with lube and dirt mixed, or lube and salts mixed, etc. Not unlike an oil-stone. This is why Nickel Silver Ferrules should never be lubed but kept clean no matter how many years anyone has been fishing. Remember this, one can be wrong for a lifetime and still believe they are right. I’m reminded of the many fly fishermen who thought it was great to use carbontet to dissolve animal fats for dry fly fishing. Of course, thousands of them died of heart failure because they (at that time) all thought it was the greatest thing to do without scientific studies. That said, just keep your ferrules clean. You may use only FOUR AAAA super/extra fine steel wool without worrying about adding wear. After that, clean your ferrules with alcohol once in a while including a Q-tip inside the female ferrule. I should add that at the BASE of each female ferrule should be a guide. This guide, immediately next to the base of the ferrule is what will relieve the torque and/or casting pressures from that ferrule and fit. Everyone that has a bamboo fly rod, if your ferrules don’t have a guide at the start/base of each ferrule, your fly rod is engineered incorrectly regarding the positioning of the guides. Once guides are torqued or begin to ‘rock’ it isn’t long when those ferrules should be replaced and/or the fly rod reguided, if possible due to taper design. These are just a few added notes I can offer to this thread for others to ponder. You can’t make a choice until you have TWO THINGS to choose from. Clean, is gooder. Mr. Gink
Calling people names only makes you look ignorant. If you can’t argue with logic and common sense and if you don’t know how to read, then don’t mess with experience. It’s Mr.G. to you. See if you can remember that. Lastly, there is no wear to worry about with a once in a year rub with AAAA steel wool. Next time you’re in a hardware store, look at it. This is a product ALL Bamboo Fly Rod Makers and Ferrule Makers use in manufacturing Bamboo Fly Rods. Just because the word "Steel" is in the term, "Steel Wool" doesn’t make it abusive to cleaning the scum off a male ferrule. I think everyone else knows how to decide what they want to do and how to do it. _ Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"
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Exactly, George! Ron Kusse says use a clean soft cloth after every use. Under no circumstances should you use anything abrasive — when you polish you remove a tiny portion of the surface material. Eventually you will have two ferrules that do not fit. Kusse has been building cane rods for more than 50 years. I think I will go along with his opinion on this one. Dave LaCourse
Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods. Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart. I did just this Today with my Orvis flea. Ferrules pop loose with ease. I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons.
____Because I’m watching you Guyz. Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
Ordinary white candle wax. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. An occasional cleaning with alcohol, and a rub down with a piece of white candle will ensure long and trouble free life. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules.
I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve
Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up….
To which numerous kind individuals responded both here and via email, all of whom I’d like to thank. Solved my problem. tgb P.S. And as to the facial grease suggestion posted on the NG, hey, at least it wasn’t the "rubbed well with the navel lint from a legal-aged virgin" suggestion I got via email. Kinda feel like Andy Warhol’s "Dracula" now…. tgb
Ol Danl writes: Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position….
No flames, Danl. Just facts. What you suggest is probably ok with graphite or glass rods, but the ferrules on a boo rod should never be "greased" in any way, shape, or form. Keep them clean. When you take the rod apart, clean everything with a clean cloth, especially the ferrules. And keep them dry. Dave LaCourse
Or Albolene? Judging from the 1001 uses described, one more won’t hurt.. Herman This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve
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…..legal-aged virgin….
Huh? What means?
Wolfie in some parts of the country it is 18, not "If old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher." 
Ernie
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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
I believe that the age of consent in Oklahoma is still 13 years old, but they have to wait till 21 to buy beer that is of more than 3.2 content. Big Dale Big Dale
…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
In some locations, it’s an 11 year old girl who can outrun her brothers. {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
Ready for a wayno . . . changing? Peter the always helpful
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb +++++ NEVER! Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything) The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules. What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them. Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
Really? My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…
Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool. Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you. Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny. Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all. Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool. Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together. Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish. Remember that. Mr. Gink
Steel wool will abrade the ferrules and is a bad thing to do. It will ruin the fit in a relatively short time. No abrasives of any sort whatsoever should be used on ferrules, quite irrespective of type. Lubricants are designed to reduce wear, and that is what they do. This is also why they are called lubricants. various liquid lubricants may cause problems with some suction ferrules. Solid paraffin wax will not. Ferrules treated with wax should be cleaned occasionally with alcohol, to ensure that no abrasives are present, and then re waxed. Just a short rub with a white candle and a polish up is all that is required. In the course of forty years fishing, with all sorts of rods, under all sorts of conditions. Ordinary white candle way has proved its worth. I have never had a rod ferrule stick, and I have never had any problems with wear. If you can not decide what to do about your ferrules, or what to apply, then at least keep them clean and dry. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool. Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you. Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny. Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all. Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool. Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together. Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish. Remember that. Mr. Gink
Do NOT use steel wool, nor any other abrasive on nickel silver ferrules. That’s probably what made a mess of Jerke’s early bamboo rods, those whose ferrules flopped! Clean the ferrules, then give them a quick swipe on two sides with hard paraffin. A white candle works well. Listen to Mike Connor. That noise from the Snake River will lead you astray! Paraffin also works well with glass and carbon. Before you buy.
Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods. Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart. I did just this Today with my Orvis flea. Ferrules pop loose with ease. I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons. **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face.
Just make sure you put some parafin on your nose first, Danl. BTW, why does everyone think that place is particularly greasy? Is yours? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl
Dan, I made a post some years ago about this but it seems to have dropped off Deja.com darned it. There have been a number of articles in fishing mags as to why this is not a good idea. Salts etc. I rolled a spinning rod metal ferrule on the side of my nose once and as far as I know the damned thing is still stuck together. I gave the rod away. If you would like I can flame you provided you can wait around until I search upstairs for the article or maybe someone else will do it in the meantime. I do like to quote this article as it is the author who does the dirty work (calls you a birdbrain) instead of me. Much safer for me dontchaknow.<G I’ll see if I can find the article as it is quite good and is worthy of repeating. Kiyu
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
+++++ NEVER! Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything) The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules. What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them. Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Q: 2 flies on sinking line?
riffling hitch
I’ve now looked "everywhere" for details on the riffling hitch, but to no avail. Not a mention in the knot books I’ve found … a few hits from three different web searches, but no dice on how to tie it. This knot sounds like it would be a good all-around nymphing knot whether for stream or lake, one fly or two. Any clues on where to find it? BTW, as I mentioned in my original post, I tried out my new sinking line last week at Lake Almanor (near Mt.Lassen). I caught, of all things, a very nice sized Squaw Fish (~24 inches) that gave me a vigorous 20 minute fight. I guess these guys can get up to 6 feet long … I’d probably still be there if I’d hooked one of those monsters! Perhaps if I’d been able to employ the riffling hitch … 8^) Bill Howe Boulder, CO
Gentlemen: You can find illustrations for the Riffling Hitch on page 55 of <Steelhead Fly Fishing and Flies, by Trey Combs, Amato Publications.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use two successfully in lakes. What I change though is the Knot I use. Instead of tying a normal not I use one called a "Riffling Hitch" that I found in the back of an old Steelhead fishing book. The result of the "riffling hitch" is that the line comes off the side of the head instead of straight out through the eyelet. this imparts a swimming motion to the flies when you troll them. It works best when you tie the hitch come of the same side of both flies. Riffling hitch sounds like a good knot. Never heard of it though. I agree with Ed that two is a workable setup when using sinking line. I have had alot more success with this setup than using a single fly one. A large fly, say a leech, in front and a smaller fly, like a scud, about 3 feet back seems to work pretty well on the lakes I fish in Utah and Wyoming. Not only does this have an "attractor affect" but also allows you to find what they are actively feeding on much quicker. David Howell
I’d like to see a riffling hitch myself. I’ve been tying a nymph onto the bend of the hook with an improved clinch knot. This has worked for me with the last few years with fairly good success. I still break the nymph off once in awhile when struck though. I tried tying to the eylet but, had more trouble with that setup. — -= Fred =- \ [[[[ \|||| ( |||| (____ [[[[ Fly Fisher
When fishing a sinking line on deep lake water, does anyone tie on two flies, or is one streamer or nymph the normal limit. I’m going to be trying out my new sinking line on a lake for the first time next week, and realized that the two nymph system I’ve been using on streams for the last couple of years might not be appropriate on a sinking system. While the moving water of the stream gives two nymphs some natural motion, it seems to me that two flies following each other around in the still water of a lake might just scare the lunkers off! Bill Howe
I use two successfully in lakes. What I change though is the Knot I use. Instead of tying a normal not I use one called a "Riffling Hitch" that I found in the back of an old Steelhead fishing book. The result of the "riffling hitch" is that the line comes off the side of the head instead of straight out through the eyelet. this imparts a swimming motion to the flies when you troll them. It works best when you tie the hitch come of the same side of both flies. Going left and then right tends to cause the Ed Green – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When fishing a sinking line on deep lake water, does anyone tie on two flies, or is one streamer or nymph the normal limit. I’m going to be trying out my new sinking line on a lake for the first time next week, and realized that the two nymph system I’ve been using on streams for the last couple of years might not be appropriate on a sinking system. While the moving water of the stream gives two nymphs some natural motion, it seems to me that two flies following each other around in the still water of a lake might just scare the lunkers off! Bill Howe
I use two successfully in lakes. What I change though is the Knot I use. Instead of tying a normal not I use one called a "Riffling Hitch" that I found in the back of an old Steelhead fishing book. The result of the "riffling hitch" is that the line comes off the side of the head instead of straight out through the eyelet. this imparts a swimming motion to the flies when you troll them. It works best when you tie the hitch come of the same side of both flies.
Riffling hitch sounds like a good knot. Never heard of it though. I agree with Ed that two is a workable setup when using sinking line. I have had alot more success with this setup than using a single fly one. A large fly, say a leech, in front and a smaller fly, like a scud, about 3 feet back seems to work pretty well on the lakes I fish in Utah and Wyoming. Not only does this have an "attractor affect" but also allows you to find what they are actively feeding on much quicker. David Howell
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Boundary Waters Fishing Advice?
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is my two cents. For walleye find structure such as rockpikes, reefs, humps and points. Wave action and boat traffic can produce currents and waves that seem to help the action. For example a shallow hump in deep water is a great spot when the water is moving right, but on a calm day it can be slow. Slip bobber and leechs are deadly. You can set your leech at a fixed depth and drift it over structure. Windblown points can be good spots. You probably might want to postion your boat in a fixed spot somewhere off of the structure and cast to the structure. Ultralight equipment. For pike I like submergered weeds in shallower areas with access to deep cold water. Water temperature is important, the cooler the better. leechs work but I like Small Mepps like #3 or 4 in a simple configuration (silver, gold, white.. nothing fancy). Have had luck with sluggos and bigger rapalas. Of course a live sucker on a quick strike works but it is a passive approach and release of the fish isn’t always possible. Use wire leader. For smallies… current. I’m happy to get any advice on smallies. I want a big one, I’ve caught a 4 pounder but I really want to catch (and release) a nice smallie. Leechs work. In fact you can catch anything on a leech and slip bobber. Alot depends on the time of year, the type of boat you have and your equipment. Good luck. I would be interested in getting any reports on the fishing in the BWCA. Thanks.
In the BWCA, the Boundary Waters CANOE Area, the type of boat will likely be a canoe. And live bait, especially minnows, will be hard to come by. Jigs and twister tails and various forms of Rapalas seem to be pretty reliable. Mepps spinners will work also. Fishing has been pretty slow from what I heard due to very cold water. But it has been warmer weather the past few days so it may be improving. Del Cecchi Rochester, MN
I suppose certain areas of BWCA are for canoe access. There are also areas where access is available via 25 hp boats. These craft are used by support people who take people who CANOE. They are also used by people who are allowed to FISH in certain restricted areas under increasingly ridiculous restrictions. Of course people get emotional over these issues. I take the perspective of tolerance for both sides. Otherwise, maybe we’ll let Disney run the BWCA instead of Greenpeace.
Leeches for small mouth! Silver kastmaster spoons for lake trout, if your going to be near any! Vertical jigging for ‘em! Try Argo Lake for lake trout. I envy you going up there. Knock ‘em dead!
In the BWCA, the Boundary Waters CANOE Area, the type of boat will likely be a canoe. And live bait, especially minnows, will be hard to come by. Jigs and twister tails and various forms of Rapalas seem to be pretty reliable. Mepps spinners will work also. Fishing has been pretty slow from what I heard due to very cold water. But it has been warmer weather the past few days so it may be improving. Del Cecchi Rochester, MN
Del, In the Boundary Waters, the type of boat for fishing will be a 14′ or 16′ boat with up to a 25hp motor, OR a square stern canoe with a 5hp motor. Minnows are readily used, along with leeches and nightcrawlers, as the preferred bait. At this time of year, fishing is mostly on the larger motorized lakes of the Boundary Waters. There are 18 such lakes that allow motors. Canoeists that have a problem with this should stay on the paddle-only lakes.
Snipped my previous post Del, In the Boundary Waters, the type of boat for fishing will be a 14′ or 16′ boat with up to a 25hp motor, OR a square stern canoe with a 5hp motor. Minnows are readily used, along with leeches and nightcrawlers, as the preferred bait. At this time of year, fishing is mostly on the larger motorized lakes of the Boundary Waters. There are 18 such lakes that allow motors. Canoeists that have a problem with this should stay on the paddle-only lakes.
Most of the American side of Lac Lacroix, all of Crooked, and much of Basswood is closed to motors. Of course there are those that disregard the restriction, especially on Basswood. Fortunately there are not too many scofflaws around. Continuing on to the east, Knife has no motors and the border continues with no motors until Sag and Seagull. In the southern part of the bwca, motors are allowed on Trout lake. I don’t have any problem with people using motors in the motor zone. I thought closing the portages was a sneaky backhanded way to reneg on a deal. I have a boat an motor. I was merely pointing out that to fish most of the bwca one must use a canoe without a motor, and that transporting minnows is difficult, especially in warm weather. Leeches are a little easier. A small cooler with nightcrawlers will hold up for a few days. Looks from your email address that you might be from North Eastern Minnesota. I know that it has been a long and emotional winter trying to fend off the "Friends of the Boundary Waters" and their lawyers in the Wellstonian mediation hearings. Hey most of you guys voted for him as I recall. But don’t attack supporters or neutral parties. Try not to be so paranoid. Although just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you. I guess I stand by my advice, but will note that there are relatively small portions of the BWCA where one is allowed to use motors butyou still must portage using human power. Some portages have humans for rent, others you are on your own to attach wheels and go. Wheels are only allowed in the motorized zones. The dogs on Trout lake aren’t there this year. Del Cecchi Rochester, MN
I will be fishing in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness this coming June. I hope to catch smallmouth bass, walleye, and northern pike, in that order. I would welcome any advice on what lures and jigs to use, presentation techniques, structure to look for, etc. Thanks in advance, Todd —
Here is my two cents. For walleye find structure such as rockpikes, reefs, humps and points. Wave action and boat traffic can produce currents and waves that seem to help the action. For example a shallow hump in deep water is a great spot when the water is moving right, but on a calm day it can be slow. Slip bobber and leechs are deadly. You can set your leech at a fixed depth and drift it over structure. Windblown points can be good spots. You probably might want to postion your boat in a fixed spot somewhere off of the structure and cast to the structure. Ultralight equipment. For pike I like submergered weeds in shallower areas with access to deep cold water. Water temperature is important, the cooler the better. leechs work but I like Small Mepps like #3 or 4 in a simple configuration (silver, gold, white.. nothing fancy). Have had luck with sluggos and bigger rapalas. Of course a live sucker on a quick strike works but it is a passive approach and release of the fish isn’t always possible. Use wire leader. For smallies… current. I’m happy to get any advice on smallies. I want a big one, I’ve caught a 4 pounder but I really want to catch (and release) a nice smallie. Leechs work. In fact you can catch anything on a leech and slip bobber. Alot depends on the time of year, the type of boat you have and your equipment. Good luck. I would be interested in getting any reports on the fishing in the BWCA. Thanks.
Dear Todd, I have spent many years fishing in the Boundry Water’s area and the Quitico Area and have found it to be exceptional fishing!! One thing I suggest is a new product specifically designed for quick CATCH-MEASURE-RELEASE. It is called the Big Fish Ruler and it is manufactured by Big Bass Inc. I am sending you their web page. Other baits and accessories will be Gold # 7&9 Rapalas(floating), slip bobber and 1/8 oz leadheads with ribbon leaches, black fly dope and other insect repellent that is water proof. Skin so soft is not strong enough for a heavy fly infestation. Remember to take along a water proof camera that can be thrown around and not damaged. The one I suggest in a Kodak one time water proof camera. It has 24 pictures and when you are finished you just drop off the camera with the film still inside. Good fishing and get a couple of rulers. You will need them!! The fish are huge!!!
Hey guys, motor or no motor the fishing is fine in eastern BWCA. Just returned from a week near Gabbro/Bald Eagle and weather was warm and canoe worked just great for catching northerns, perch and walleye on rapalas and spinners mostly. You just have to find the schools and drop in the line. So enjoy what you get, big or small. Those waters still make ‘em tastier.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Product Reviews
Dear All; Concerning my other Post about Cabela’s: I’m sure a lot of our Flyfishing bretheren would appreciate product reviews now and then: How it performed, if it met/exceeded/failed you expectations, good deals and good values, comparisons to other products, (in your humble opinions) etc… Please post your experiences with products, destinations, materials, etc. It would be greatly appreciated. It may also inspire some more lively debate. That has been missing from the rec. group lately. Your humble servant; Jason Beary
Dear All; Concerning my other Post about Cabela’s: I’m sure a lot of our Flyfishing bretheren would appreciate product reviews now and then: How it performed, if it met/exceeded/failed you expectations, good deals and good values, comparisons to other products, (in your humble opinions) etc… Please post your experiences with products, destinations, materials, etc. It would be greatly appreciated. It may also inspire some more lively debate. That has been missing from the rec. group lately. Your humble servant; Jason Beary
Howdy Jason, Thanks for the opportunity to talk about something besides PETA or the raging War of Oregon. I think I’m gonna hide out here a while :^I I’ll tell you about a nice little rod that I want to buy, the Orvis Clearwater Series Far & Fine. I picked one up for my brother a few years back as a B-Day present (as I recall it cost about a hundred bucks or so) and when he came to visit me in CO last year I got a chance to cast the thing. Very, very nice action, kind of slow but snappy. He let me try it out and I didn’t want to give it back (leaving him to cast my 9′/5 wt Sage RPL). I’ve never been a huge fan of Orvis, but IMO this is a great rod with a very relaxed but controlled action. For me it casts better than many rods that cost three times as much. Steve
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » To will@epix.net – Please mind your own business – Get a life!!
Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD!
Now, you really fit the wierdo category. Will has been a good source of information, with his extensive RVing experience. What are your experiences ???? Anthony & Loretta "Don’t regret getting older Retired in Largo, Florida many are denied the privilege"
Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD!
: Quit bothering other posters! : LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD! I have to agree with this also. He also gave me some crap via E-mail. Ike Grill Cadott,WI
I don’t know. Will is certainly opinionated, but at least he will take a stand. I don’t always agree with him, he sort of flamed me once for answering someone’s question on a subject not related to rving, but everything must be taken in context. On the flyfishing newsgroup, we had an individual by the name of Tim Walker who said such rediculous things that would Will seem tame. One day he got tired of being flamed and just disappeared. Again, I usually didn’t agree with him, but he sure knew how to start and maintain a discussion. Will, don’t let em get you down. Jim Browder
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD! Now, you really fit the wierdo category. Will has been a good source of information, with his extensive RVing experience. What are your experiences ???? Anthony & Loretta "Don’t regret getting older Retired in Largo, Florida many are denied the privilege"
I second that and Amen. If you have something to contribute, do so! Otherwise, BUTT OUT and get a life Toni!! Dan
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Jet boat runabout info, Please.
I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one? If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats. thanx, Truckless in Petaluma, Charlie Metcalf "I thought I was the Bally table king. But I just handed my pinball crown to him" Pete Townsend
writes: I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one? If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.
I’ve got a SeaDoo Explorer, which is sorta like a jetski mated to a hard-bottom inflatable and it has been a lot of fun, although I do question how well any jetski-type drive will hold up in saltwater. The Explorer is a bit slower than a jetski, but has greater hauling capacity.
I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally. They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one?
Yes, I have a Boston Whaler Rage 15. It is a real blast to drive. The main problem I have with it is steering at low speeds, but this is the nature of a jet. Oh well. The BW does everything well. It’s slow for a jet, but it is the perfect vehicle if you want something that doesn’t have a lot of bells and whistles. You can see a picture of it and its specs at http://www.gsn.com in Marine Net. If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.
Here goes: Most jet runabouts are powered by either an OMC drive or a Mercury Marine drive. The former has 115 horses, the latter 120. Depending on what you are looking for, there are dozens available. If you are looking for utility, go with the BW or the Hobie Jet 915s. The Hobie has only 90 hp, but it will still go. It has a center console layout, like the BW, but a much shorter freeboard. Powerboat magazine thought it was OK. BW cost: $13k +/- Hobie: $11,500 +/- Fun boats: The Baja Splash looks like a lot of fun. Powerboat likens it to a sports car. Its colors are bright and it looks fast. Seating is a down, though. It only seats 3 and has a closed deck. It does have a rear facing seat for a spotter if you are skiing. $11k plus. Four Winns Fling: Kinda funny looking, IMHO. Can be gotten with options like a fishing chair, stereo, etc. It has a deeper V than most, so it is not as slideable, but Powerboat like it enough. They said it feels "safe and secure." $11k +/- Mirada Wild One: IMHO, BUTT UGLY. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one. I did see a white one the other day, but it still looks clunky. But it is cheap. $9k. Mirage Sport: Nice looking boat.Not very spinnable. Powerboat said it held a turn very well. Available with the 90hp or the 120 hp engine. It even has a built in ski locker, rare on jet boats. Powerboat calls it a true thoroughbred. $10.5k Regal Rush XP: Highly praised for its solid feel and comfortable ride. Predictable handling. Seats are awesome. Good looking boat. $9525. Rinker Rocket: Wow. I like the funky dash. Cost is small. Powerboat liked this first entry from the company. Well built. Holds turns well, but will spin if coaxed to. $7995. Sea-Doo Sporster: Uses the Rotax engine that can be found in the SPX PWC. SeaDoo is always good in quality. Nice looking boats, too. Separate gear shift and throttle. Only one available. Seats are rather comfortable and well bolstered. The Speedster has two Rotax engines and will absolutely FLY. Check into both. Sportster price – $8k Sea Ray Sea Rayder F-14: I fell that you can’t beat a Ray, but maybe that is because they are made here in Knoxville. NICE boats. You see them everywhere here in TN. Powerboat calls it "reassuringly predictable". $10k I have at least 7 more reviews if you want them, but I am already taking up a lot of bandwidth, so I will sign off. email me if you want more info. Scott Kirkham
I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults, and has all the fun of the others.New cost $8,900.00 I am considering selling for $7,000.00,which includes trailer. I have taken it to Destin,Fla. and playedin the bay,intercoastal, and the gulf(too choppy). Boat trailers like a dream. Max
I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults,
[...] Check your capacity plate. I’ll bet it’s overloaded with 6 adults. Just because it will plane with that load doesn’t mean it’s safe. "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." – Shakespeare
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Two flies at once
I have been convinced that using dropper flies, though sometimes effective, is not a good practice. Anyone who has used this technique will attest to the fact the many more fish are foul hooked than on single flies. Foul hooking is harmful to the fish and adds to the motality rate.
Why would hooking fish in a fin be any harder on them thean hooking them in the mouth? — -Wayne Trzyna
I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet.
There are numerous ways to tie a dropper, but most are not that simple, and they tend to twist, etc. The easiest and most effective way I’ve found to fish two nymphs is just to tie an additional length of tippet to the bend of the top fly using an improved clinch knot. I seem to have no problem hooking fish on the top fly with this setup. A little lead can be added between the two flies to keep them on the bottom.
The most common two-fly technique that I have heard of is to tie a nymph on 18-24 inches of tippet after your dry fly. Double clinch knot will do fine. Drag gets increased on the dry and snaggles happen more often, but its a good technique for covering lots of water. Regards, TM — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."
The most common two-fly technique that I have heard of is to tie a nymph on 18-24 inches of tippet after your dry fly. Double clinch knot will do fine. Drag gets increased on the dry and snaggles happen more often, but its a good technique for covering lots of water. Regards, TM
Of course, make sure that the local regulations support the use of such a rig. Maine fishing reg’s on FFO streams do not (single hook only). /dave (just back from a COLD weekend up in the Greater Rangely Area) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I’ve had success tying the tippet for the dropper to the bend of the hook of the upper fly, using an improved clinch. I like this method because it casts easily without the dropper wrapping around the line, as usually happens to me when I tie the dropper’s tippet to a loop in the leader.
Only one person has mentioned leaving a tag end on one of your tippet lengths when hand-tying your leader. And, he suggested a 12" length. I would recommend a 3" to 4" length, max. This will tangle less frequently. I’ve never tried the hook-bend hitch, but would expect the hook to tippet connection to lend itself to cut tippet materials in a battle. Charley
I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Hi, Two flies at once is really a good technique, and a time honored thing here in Nova Scotia. The best way if going with two nymphs is to use a dropper. What you do is tie a second fly in at the point of your tippet ( if using a nine foot leader this would be atr about two feet up from the end). Tie about an 8 inch line from this point and your second fly. This puts the second fly about a foot and a bit from the end fly. You need at least this much space to get good presentation. Some people go up even further, but I find this can cause casting problems for the average caster- give it a try though ! I use a Guide’s knot, loopiong the second leader bit behind the knot (if you have a knotless leader, so much the better). Be careful to do this as you will break the line if you tie above the knot of a tippet and happen to get two fish on ! Tight Lines! Bill Curry Tight Lines tackle Shop and Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia
I’ve never tried the hook-bend hitch, but would expect the hook to tippet connection to lend itself to cut tippet materials in a battle.
never had a problem.
The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift along the bottom. I use a tapered knotless leader, 9 foot. To this I tie a tippet section using an improved surgeon’s knot (three turns through before clinching). The dropper fly is tied to the remainder of the tippet section hanging out of the knot. The point fly is tied to the end of the tippet using the Palomar knot.
The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift along the bottom. I use a tapered knotless leader, 9 foot. To this I tie a tippet section using an improved surgeon’s knot (three turns through before clinching). The dropper fly is tied to the remainder of the tippet section hanging out of the knot. The point fly is tied to the end of the tippet using the Palomar knot.
This has nothing to do with this post, but I just had to tell you. My friend Ed ties this pattern on a small 3x hook that has 2 extended body comparaduns on the same hook! Coolest thing I ever saw. A sunny day, a box of midges, and a wandering stream… Man, this MUST be heaven! < Steve Kulpa <<
Most folk on Irish Loughs or Scottish Lochs would fish at least two flies and more likely three. The top (bob) fly is usually a bit bigger and very bushy and it is often dragged along the surface of the water, sometimes this can be very effective. Regards, Philip Blair. *** Nation Shall Peak Six Unto Nation. ***
: The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns : or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies : although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift : along the bottom. As a kid flyfishing in PA limestone waters(about 25 years ago), I was taught early on that wet fly fishing was a two to three fly exercise. For instance, I would tie on a black ant pattern with various egg sack variants as droppers. On occasion I would hook up with doubles and sometimes triples. I’ve been out west since 1986 and have found very few people that fish "wets". They’re either nymphers or dry guys. I’ve always found wet fly fishing to be very effective and fun. Many happy days on Penns Creek! Sure miss those Pennsy streams, especially Fishing Creek in Centre County (check out the Bellefonte fish hatchery). deibs — Software Systems Quality Consulting 2269 Sunny Vista Drive Phone/Fax (408) 985-4476 San Jose, CA 95128
Rigging two, or even three, flies at once is a fairly common technique on western streams as well as elsewhere. However, recently a lot of comment has been given to whether this is a good practice from the standpoint of the wellfare of our fisheries. I have been convinced that using dropper flies, though sometimes effective, is not a good practice. Anyone who has used this technique will attest to the fact the many more fish are foul hooked than on single flies. Foul hooking is harmful to the fish and adds to the motality rate. This, of course, is not a concern if all fish caught are to be kept and killed, but it is a problem in catch and release streams. Dallas, TX Ennis, MT
Big fly, little fly. Predator, prey. Light, Dark. Shiny, dull. Two flies at once is quite honorable. Tim Walker
When fishing the trico spinner fall on the Missouri I use to tie on a #22, which is extremely difficult to see in the water. Someone suggested tying on a #18 and tying in two sets of wings, making it look like two flys…….works great and is much easier to see and it floats much better. Rick Taylor
When fishing the trico spinner fall on the Missouri I use to tie on a #22, which is extremely difficult to see in the water. Someone suggested tying on a #18 and tying in two sets of wings, making it look like two flys…….works great and is much easier to see and it floats much better.
I saw Jack Dennis on TV not long ago and he suggested fishing midges in this way. At the end of a 5x leader tie on a rather large (#12 or 14) dry fly that is easy to see. From the eye of that dry fly, tie 18" of fine tippet onto which is tied your tiny midge. Fish just as if you were fishing the large dry fly but strike if you see a rise within 18" of your large fly. I thought it was a pretty good idea and a humpy works very well. Bob
I’ve used two flies in many situations -even using a dry as a strike indicator forvery small dries. the easiest and most tangle free method is to use a Duncan loop and tie it to the bend of the first fly. Much less tangles than using a dropper. A dropper can be made by simply tying the tippet knot (blood or surgeons) with a long trailing line- perhaps 12-18 inches. Hope this helps
I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.
I can support the advise of the others who responded. I have a friend who always tries to use a larger fly at the end of the leader to tie his dropper to. The reason is that he can tie his dropper to the eye of the larger fly; the eye of the larger fly will have enough room to tie two clinch knots in it. He claims that it makes it easier to hook fish on the top fly when the dropper is not tied to the bend. I haven’t noticed any difference but this guy catches lots more fish than most.
I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.
I have had good success in tying an 18" 6x tipit to the bend in the "top" fly (5x tipit) using a clinch knot. Then tying the "bottom" fly at the end of "18" section. Put your indicator up from the "top" fly to account for whatever depth your seeking. Watch your casting. This system is prone to tangling. The tipit sizes can be different than mine, of course, but make sure that the terminal piece is -1 size smaller than your leader. Good luck Johnny
I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Bad News……
This subject is getting a lot of press with the identification of the disease in the Madison, so there is (finally) some information out there. The disease has been in Colorado for some time now and is getting worse. The culprit is almost certainly illegal stocking or (apparently in the case of Colorado) knowingly stocking with diseased fish. There is evidence that the disease can be spread to other rivers via boots and other fishing equipment, but (at least according to Dick Vincent at the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Department) it is not spread by wildfowl. Brook trout and salmon are also affected. I suspect now that a river as important as the Madison has been affected, we will see a lot more about this and other threatening diseases.
I would be interested in seeing the Washington Post article and the article mentioned in December from the Bozeman Gazette. The posts I have been reading here about Whirling disease have really been upsetting. My fishing buddies and I are trying to figure out what the best course of action for us would be. Certainly no good plans have come from the "experts" as of yet (this would seem to be especially true in Colorado). Why hasn’t there been much yet in the fly fishing ‘literature’? I haven’t read a thing in FR&R or Flyfisherman. It would seem that research into why Browns and other unaffected species are immune would be the way to get this disease out of fish populations. Does anyone involved in Fisheries Management or Biology at Montana State or at CU know anything about any research into the molecular biology/pathogenesis of this disease? Please post!
If this thing is protozoan and can potentially be spread by our wading boots, does anyone have any suggestions or know what we should be doing with our waders after fishing any of the potentially affected waters? How long can the protozoa live out of water? I often fish the Madison for a day or two, then go to the spring creeks in the Paradise Valley. I would hate to be contributing to the spread of this disease into those waters, or any other for that matter!
: What about cutthroats? From what I have heard–in both Montana : and Colorado (and perhaps the Truckee too)–the brown trout are OK! : Does anybody know anything about Whirling disease and cutthroats? The Washington Post article mentioned that cutts are susceptible to the disease. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | These University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | are mine.
as u have pointed out whirling disease has made its way inot the wild population and indeed this is bad news. as i have had it described to me this disease effects the delicate bone structure in juvinelle fish so when frightened/starteled they swim in small fast concentric circles instead of going for cover. in addition, i have also heard that it is usually the result of the close confines of hatcherys that spread it, as u may also have heard the state of colorado fish & game department is releasing hatchery fish with this disease into some of their blue ribbon water, for what reason god alone knows and god aint speakin on this subject. anyway i hope that the local TU chapters get involed in this an can help Mr. Vincent out. from all reports he is a pretty good guy and knows a thing or two about how to maintain a wild trout population. any news on this unhappy event is most welcome
disease has been discovered in the wild rainbow populations of Montana’s upper Madison. None of us here knows anything more than that just yet. But it continues to look bad. The outfitters haven’t really caught on, because the spring/winter fishing is good at this very moment. But whirling disease, apparently, only effects the tiddlers. In a few more seasons, once the current crop of bigger rainbows has died off from old age, there may be no more little fish to replace them. I wish I knew more about what’s going on. I’ve heard that Whirling disease made its way into wild rainbow populations in Colorado some time ago. Who down there in Colorado knows something about this? Which Colorado river systems are effected? How long has this been going on, etc? Is the Colorado problem stable in any way, or is it getting worse? —
: some time ago. Who down there in Colorado knows something about this? : Which Colorado river systems are effected? How long has this been RE: Whirling Disease I met with some guides here in the shop over Christmas and this was the issue at hand. It looks very grim and much worse then originally speculated. The guides are accusing the Colorado DOW of a MAJOR cover up. They have SCREWED up big time and since fishing is such a huge economical thing…noone will come straight. The local guides are going to try to take matters into their own hands and we are in the process of recommending a wierd but hopefully effective idea to the DOW for the 96-98 regs…the idea is to close off feeder streams to all fishing during the rainbow spawn. The idea is to try to get some of these genetically farked up fish to produce (naturally) fish that are genetically immune to the disease. It is a long shot, but better then no shot. Apparently noone is talking but the rumour is that all year classes are missing in some of the major drainages (i.e. NO/0/nada/zip baby fishes) and that the spore (?) is present throughtout the state and that it originated in a hatchery in Utah. All colorado fishermen should pressure anybody and everybody they know for more information ans to support this closed rainbow spawning fishing season in the feeders… Tim Walker
RE: Whirling Disease Apparently noone is talking but the rumour is that all year classes are missing in some of the major drainages (i.e. NO/0/nada/zip baby fishes) and that the spore (?) is present throughtout the state and that it originated in a hatchery in Utah. Tim Walker
What about cutthroats? From what I have heard–in both Montana and Colorado (and perhaps the Truckee too)–the brown trout are OK! Does anybody know anything about Whirling disease and cutthroats? —
I understand that there was an article in the Washington Post today (1/4) on the whirling disease in the Madison. I have not seen it, but would like to get a copy if anyone has one.
: What about cutthroats? From what I have heard–in both Montana : and Colorado (and perhaps the Truckee too)–the brown trout are OK! : Does anybody know anything about Whirling disease and cutthroats? My understanding is that the cutts aren’t affected, allthough I haven’t conducted too many fry surveys and the misinformation in general does scare me. Damned hatcheries indeed. If only the folkes could to see fit to spend their tax monies on stream improvements and accept a greatly reduced general catch limit while the wild stocks rebound… Population estimates for colorado are around 5 million by the year 2000. The state is just too fragile for this many people. No, I don’t begrudge folkes for wanting to live here. Nor do I have any answers. It frightens me to the core. Tim Walker
: Hey, I may be stupid, but can anyone explain what Whirling disease is? It is a disease that affects the spine of rainbow trout fry that first showed up in the state hatcheries. Now the dept of wildlife has introduced it into the waters and it is affecting the wild stock. It is very, very serious and some think we are on the brink of a disaster of major proportions. I really hope that some biologist in the know (Bob Golder…what’re you up to today) would really fill in the blanks. Tim Walker
Hey, I may be stupid, but can anyone explain what Whirling disease is? Paul
Whirling disease is caused by a protozoan parasite that invades the cartilage of the skull, gill arches and spine. It affects only trout and salmon. Rainbow trout are the most seriously affected, browns (which probably coevolved with the parasite in Europe) are somewhat, but not totally resistant. The parasite goes through a complex life cycle which involves spores which may persist in the bottom sediments for many years, hence it is here to stay in the Madison. It may make infected fish swim in a circle (whirling) or die, but more frequently cause deformities or make the fish more susceptible to predation or environmental episodes. It was discovered in Colorado in the late ’80s, Utah in ‘91 and now in Montana. Utah initiated a strong program to try to eradicate it when it was first discovered. Later findings showed it had been spread, perhaps intentionally, to other parts of the state. Current efforts are directed to try to protect wild native cutthroat from the disease. Montana has a good program and has been trying to prevent it from coming into the state.
Hey, I may be stupid, but can anyone explain what Whirling disease is? Paul
Whirling disease…..not good. Up to 90% of the rainbows have died. I got this from a guy at Lakestream Fly Shop in Whitefish last week. It doesn’t seem to be affecting the brown trout population that badly. Yet…another distrubing note. They are not sure how the disease is spreading. I am going to ask a fishery pathologist i know, on what he knows what is going on. I will post the info that evening. I will try to do it on Monday. If anyone around here knows what is going on…he will. Yet the info coming my way on the impact of the disease is NOT GOOD!. Just pray I guess. Peter
Last night’s Bozeman Daily Chronicle ran the headline "Madison River Rainbows Diseased," or something like that. The story identified Whirling disease as the culprit, and quoted Montana Fish and Game Biologist Dick Vincent, who said upper Madison rainbow populations had plummeted from 3300 to 300 fish/mile in a single season. Brown trout, so far, seem unafected. Whirling disease has traditionally been associated with hatchery fish in the past. How this disease has made its way into a wild population remains a mystery. But Dick Vincent did mention scattered reports of hatchery rainbows mysteriously appearing in the upper Madison in late 1980’s. What this means is anyone’s guess. Montana hasn’t stocked rainbows in the Madison for decades. What happens next? There are rumors. But nothing definite yet. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a complete fishing closure on the upper Madison for a few years. It’s not clear that a slimy Elk Hair Caddis–heavily used Monday evening on the Madison–couldn’t transmit Whirling disease to Big Hole or Yellowstone rainbows on Tuesday morning. It would be a real tragedy if the lower Yellowstone’s (now) recovering native Cutthroat populations were to become effected (decimated?) too. This could be really bad news. —
Last night’s Bozeman Daily Chronicle ran the headline "Madison River Rainbows Diseased," or something like that. The story identified Whirling disease as the culprit, and quoted Montana Fish and Game Biologist Dick Vincent, who said upper Madison rainbow populations had plummeted from 3300 to 300 fish/mile in a single season. Brown trout, so far, seem unafected. <snip What happens next? There are rumors. But nothing definite yet. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a complete fishing closure on the upper Madison for a few years. It’s not clear that a slimy Elk <snip again
There are a lot of rumors bouncing around Bozeman today. The main one that I have heard is that FW&P will attempt a total rainbow kill on the Upper Madison, although how they would do this without taking out the browns is anyone’s guess. Suggestions that I have heard include changing the regs to require people fishing to kill all rainbows and release all browns. I can’t believe that this would get all of the rainbows – we just don’t fish that well. Another problem will be what to do if they can take out the rainbows completely. Options would presumably include (a) leaving this stretch of river as a trophy wild brown river, (b) restocking the rainbows from hatchery fish, which would really degrade the fishery for several years, and (c) relocating wild rainbows from other parts of the river. On the less bad news side, it is my understanding that this is limited to the river between Quake lake and Ennis dam. I never thought that I would be grateful for that stupid dam. I.e., unless they lose it there is no immediate danger of this getting into the lower Madison and hence into the Missouri, Gallatin, etc. At the other end, the Madison in Yellowstone National Park, and hence the Gibbon and Firehole, are not currently in danger. Unfortunately I haven’t heard that this will kill off the whitefish. The stretch of river affected by this disease is often claimed to be the best piece of wild trout water in the continental US, so this is already a disaster, and if the disease does get into the browns as well it will probably be 10-20 years before they can fully restore the fishery. Not a good Christmas present for the people who read this group. Denbigh http://www.cs.montana.edu/~starkey http://www.cs.montana.edu/~starkey/fishing.html 406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)