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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL       – A Call to All True Patriots –    We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month.

Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart.  You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle.  And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again.  The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom.  A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement.  I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today.  The structural tolerance was quite low.  The intense heat would collapse the pilings.  And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure.  The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall.  But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling.  People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!!     *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed.  Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored.                                       the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way.

I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.  This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no  passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day  9/12, was  crudely edited.  You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane")  There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day.  What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings".  Check out the examination of that flight and the photos  on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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overloading a rod by one line wt is one of the oldest tricks in the book. You’ll do fine.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Hi Walt,   Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with   at   least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.   There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my   3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a   great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.    Even   with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. That’s weird. I have the same reel loaded with a 5 weight WF and I have at least that much backing on it. You got one of those fat 555 lines on it?

I’ve got Teeny WF 3.  Don’t know remember any more about it than that.   I just went outside and stripped all the line off.  It turns out that I actually have about 75 yards of backing, but it’s 15 lb. Spectra or Spider wire or one of those new super strong small diameter lines instead of the braided dacron I’ve used in the past.  As a matter of fact, I bought this stuff because I was concerned about not having enough backing. The backing line on this Okuma Sierra (rated at 4/5 wt.) mics at .011 inch as compared to .015 for the braided dacron on my Orvis Rocky Mountain (rated at 5/6).  Of course, the dial caliper I used to check them mashes the line a bit, but the difference is still significant, I think.  There’s 120 yards of backing on the Orvis compared to 75 on the Okuma.  The diameter inside the posts is 2.538 for the Okuma and 3.025 (estimated because I couldn’t quite get the calipers inside the four posts on this reel) on the Orvis.  Inside width of the spool in .680 for the Okuma and .790 for the Orvis.  Both reels have an exposed rim, roughly 2.90 for the Okuma and 3.475 for the Orvis.  These comparisons may not read like there’s a great deal of difference between them, but visually the difference is quite dramatic and the Okuma reel has about as much line on it as is possible without interference while the Orvis could easily take another hundred yards of the finer backing, and this with a 5 wt. DT on it.  In short, the difference is startling; much greater than the difference in rating would suggest.  The Orvis reel appears about typical of the size I’d expect for a 5/6 wt., while the Okuma reel is tiny for a 4/5. Wolfgang

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    Hi Walt,     Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with     at     least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.       There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my   3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a   great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.    Even   with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. That’s weird. I have the same reel loaded with a 5 weight WF and I have at least that much backing on it. You got one of those fat 555 lines on it? Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing. There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. Most reel manufacturers seem to be, shall we say, optimistic about the capacities of their reels.  I usually make a point of buying the reel about one size larger than the manufacturer’s specs indicate that I should buy. Kevin

Well, it also depends on what line was used is the capacity determination.  One of the "by-products" of the "new" system (weight, as opposed to size) is that diameter is not relevant, and so, it’s entirely possible to have a reel that will hold a particular brand of line, of a given weight, and X yards of backing, just as the maker indicates, and yet, not even be able to hold a full line of another type.  Granted, such a large variation is not likely, but in a smaller sized "large arbor" with a narrow spool, such a thing is possible, however unlikely. For a current example of the extremes, look a smaller _size_ silk compared to roughly equivalent, in _weight_, Cortland 555. TC, R

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Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing. There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing.

Most reel manufacturers seem to be, shall we say, optimistic about the capacities of their reels.  I usually make a point of buying the reel about one size larger than the manufacturer’s specs indicate that I should buy. Kevin

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Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.

There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. Wolfgang

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Thanks for all the feedback … consistent message … I will check on the backing and if sufficient I will go with the #5.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line. Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line.  Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line. Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay?

It’ll be fine.  You might need a bit less backing than they recommend.

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line.  Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F. Friend of mine breeds em (and goats as well, angora, cashmere, cashgora…)– He’s been looking for a good market for the hair, and I’ve been telling him to go to flyshops.  He’s got the stuff all cleaned and carded for the people who spin the stuff. Scott

        jesus, how revolting.  and yet we have folks here who get nauseous over the appearance of penelope cruz’s name, for god’s sake. your friend in the old north state wayno  (i mean, why isn’t rock trout all over this, as his hero says, like a bad suit…)

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I am not a true devotee but I  have some yak hair around.  The zoo in Bismarck ND had two yaks (Yak and Yill ) that shed great masses of hair about this time of year.  I think one could have easily picked up two or three gunny sacks of yak hair without crossing into their pens.   The Bismarck zoo was more like a farm yard than a zoo and the wind blew the hair about. Speaking of zoos.  I had a friend ( still a friend but he quit the zoo job ) that gave me some polar bear hair he got at  the zoo. Polar bears also shed and he got the hair out of a filter in the bears swimming pool system.  I don’t know if hair obtained that way is leagle or not.  If I remember the law forbids skin and fur but I don’t know about  hair.  I  don’t know how much hair a polar bear sheds but he did say cleaning the filter was done every day or two.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns *****Snipped ****** TL MC

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Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F.

Friend of mine breeds em (and goats as well, angora, cashmere, cashgora…)– He’s been looking for a good market for the hair, and I’ve been telling him to go to flyshops.  He’s got the stuff all cleaned and carded for the people who spin the stuff. Scott

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i have llama’s…….got a mother & daughter in trade for tax work…how much llama fur do you need? give me an address and its yours….(as long as it fits into an envelope)…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F. Friend of mine breeds em (and goats as well, angora, cashmere, cashgora…)– He’s been looking for a good market for the hair, and I’ve been telling him to go to flyshops.  He’s got the stuff all cleaned and carded for the people who spin the stuff. Scott

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Thanks a lot for the information. Now all I have to do is brush my cat more often. Seems like an endless source of dubbing material

Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns Mr.Charles might be of assistance, or try; http://www.wigandhairpiecesupply.com/hair2.html http://www.fao.org/docrep/v9384e/v9384e00.htm For some really exotic flies try http://www.kats-korner.com/bigcats/clouded.html TL MC

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Apparently, true devotees keep yaks.  Difficult to brush, but also suitable for a wide range of patterns

What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F.

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What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F.

See my previous post!  and ; http://www.canadianllama.com/ http://www.modernflies.com/llama.htm http://www.thebentrod.com/dubbing.htm http://www.justflytying.com/llama_material.htm http://www.euro-fly.com/French_dossier/14_dubbings_naturels/e14_natur… ings.htm For general information, one may use any hair or fur, for dubbing etc. If it is the right colour and texture, simply use it.  Some are more suitable for particular purposes, ( Polar Bear hair, is a case in point), but all of it is usable. TL MC

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You don’t happen to have some patterns that use it?

Nothing specific. My two cats have very different fur, and one of the cats (my favorite) has many layers, colors, and textures. The stiffer hair is good for tails and legs, while the finer is good for dubbing. I recently tied some #12 and #16 mayfly spinners with the light-colored fur as body dubbing. I’ve caught some fish with them, so fish must like cats as much as cats like fish.  :-) Tim and to hell with this "brushing the cat" stuff — scissors work just fine.

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What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. Joe F.

I’ve been making streamers from angora goat.  I can get the hanks for 99 cents an ounce, cleaned and ready to tie.  Its great stuff.           Frank Reid

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What about llama fur (seriously)?   If I could catch the SOB, I could get plenty. I’ve been making streamers from angora goat.  I can get the hanks for 99 cents an ounce, cleaned and ready to tie.  Its great stuff.

Well, shoot.   Considering that this animal is damn near as smart as I am and a whole lot faster, I’m thinkin that 99 cents would be well spent. Joe F.

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I’ve been making streamers from angora goat.  I can get the hanks for 99 cents an ounce, cleaned and ready to tie.  Its great stuff. Well, shoot.   Considering that this animal is damn near as smart as I am and a whole lot faster, I’m thinkin that 99 cents would be well spent. Joe F.

Goats don’t spit like llamas either. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I’ve heard some people say so….?

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I’ve heard some people say so….?

works for me  :-) Tim

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You don’t happen to have some patterns that use it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve heard some people say so….? works for me  :-) Tim

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You don’t happen to have some patterns that use it?

http://flytyingworld.com/PagesJ/jt-catcaddis.htm http://fly.hiwaay.net/~lmobbs/page12.html http://www.dicksfavoritesports.com/materialstips.htm http://www.flyfishinghistory.com/cottons.htm http://web.utk.edu/~ldecuir/tu/96sep.htm#l7 http://www.bobsflytying.com/mar02-julie.html http://freespace.virgin.net/howard.thresher/cpprhd.html http://freespace.virgin.net/howard.thresher/Ecdynymph.html http://www.beavers.ca/hmmm.html http://www.fly-fishing-club.co.uk/ibvar.html http://flytyingworld.com/PagesU/ug-m.htm http://www.visi.com/~mpv/FlyFishing/Adams/AdamsFOTM.html There are thousands more. Cat fur can be used for a whole range of patterns. TL MC

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Thanks a lot for the information. Now all I have to do is brush my cat more often. Seems like an endless source of dubbing material – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t happen to have some patterns that use it? http://flytyingworld.com/PagesJ/jt-catcaddis.htm http://fly.hiwaay.net/~lmobbs/page12.html http://www.dicksfavoritesports.com/materialstips.htm http://www.flyfishinghistory.com/cottons.htm http://web.utk.edu/~ldecuir/tu/96sep.htm#l7 http://www.bobsflytying.com/mar02-julie.html http://freespace.virgin.net/howard.thresher/cpprhd.html http://freespace.virgin.net/howard.thresher/Ecdynymph.html http://www.beavers.ca/hmmm.html http://www.fly-fishing-club.co.uk/ibvar.html http://flytyingworld.com/PagesU/ug-m.htm http://www.visi.com/~mpv/FlyFishing/Adams/AdamsFOTM.html There are thousands more. Cat fur can be used for a whole range of patterns. TL MC

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2 months?  Lucky bastard. Don’t go anywhere near Cherokee, especially this time of year (unless you enjoy being  overwhelmed with tourist-trap garbage). Trout are going to be iffy through the summer, but if you keep trying, you will catch some.  Get advice at the nearest bait seller as to how and where.  You’d be suprized at the size of the trout that are pulled from the slimmest streams. Got a boat?  Fontana offers trout, smallmouth, musky, etc.   Catch or not, relax and enjoy yourself.  You’ll be staying in one of the most spectacular regions in the country.  Avoid the crowds, find a trail up a remote mountainside, and breathe.

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What types of successful fishing is available on this river?  Are small mouth apt to be caught any time?  Are trout happening here?  I will be in the area where the river empties into Lake Fontana for about 2 months.  Thanks for the advice. Before you buy.

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I believe it is regularly stocked with rainbow trout.  Also, just north of there, on the Cherokee Indian Reservation, the Tribe regularly stocks their streams with trout.  You can pay them a fee and probably catch your limit of brownies and rainbows.  Take a fly rod if you have one. What types of successful fishing is available on this river?  Are small mouth apt to be caught any time?  Are trout happening here?  I will be in the area where the river empties into Lake Fontana for about 2 months.  Thanks for the advice. Before you buy.

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I also catch butterfly peacocks in South Florida. The ultimate bait is, of course, small shiners. The best artificial I’ve used for them is a #5 Rapala floating fire tiger.  The colors seem to really get their attention.  It also works well for largemouth bass! Brady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we have peacock bass in south fla. i use a number 13 rapala black or silver back, or a 1/8 oz stanly tadum willow leaf glod and silver spinnerbait with a zoom split tail trailer slow rolled. i found any good topwater bait , pop-r or zarra puppy gets them to. Cajunbass8 "THE TRUTH HURTS"

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If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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(1)  Do any of you guys/gals who fish for Peacock Bass have pictures of them you could post? (2)  Has anyone ever ascertained if Peacock Bass could cross-breed with LMB bass or spots?  Or smallmouth? Warren Funk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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Hey Warren — I just checked out page 742 of McClane’s Standard Fishing Encyclopedia (includes a nice picture).  According to McClane, the Peacock is a member of the cichlid family. Our favorite black beauties are members of the sunfish family.  I dont’ think we have to worry about hybridization because the only situation where members of two completely different families can mate and reproduce is in a cheap Sci-Fi movie. Gotta tell you a quick story about hybridization and cichlids.  Years ago I was strolling the shoreline of Town Lake which winds through downtown Austin, Texas.  When I see a group of anglers on the bank, it’s pretty hard for me to pass by without stopping to see what they’re catching, — especially, as in this case, when they’re acting excited.  So I trotted over and asked what was happening.  One of the older guys said, "My wife just caught the damndest thing you ever saw — it’s a cross between a Bluegill and a Piranha!"  His wife chimed in, "It ain’t safe to swim here anymore — these things could bite your leg off." I have to admit I was pretty curious because it is not unknown for tropical fish hobbyists to turn unwanted pets loose, and Town Lake has produced some interesting catches, so I’ve heard.   So I asked to see the fish.   She proudly held up an 8-inch male Rio Grande Perch, which with its hump, does look a little like a Piranha.   I said, "Yes ma’am, that’s pretty interesting," and continued my walk. The Rio Grande Perch is, I think, the only member of the cichlid family native to North America.  Austin is about as far north as you’re likely to see one. Tight Lines, Bent Rods, Storm

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Warren, I have a picture of about a 3# peacock I caught last year.  Unfortunately, I’m holding it so you have to see me as well! I don’t know if it’s proper to post it here – I can scan it and post it, or e-mail it to you directly. Please let me know. Brady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (1)  Do any of you guys/gals who fish for Peacock Bass have pictures of them you could post? (2)  Has anyone ever ascertained if Peacock Bass could cross-breed with LMB bass or spots?  Or smallmouth? Warren Funk If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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we have peacock bass in south fla. i use a number 13 rapala black or silver back, or a 1/8 oz stanly tadum willow leaf glod and silver spinnerbait with a zoom split tail trailer slow rolled. i found any good topwater bait , pop-r or zarra puppy gets them to. Cajunbass8 "THE TRUTH HURTS"

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Ross, I had the same type of problem and I bought a C&R net with a small bungee cord that has a magnet at either end.  One end is attached to the D ring of my vest in the back and the other to the net.  The magnets keep the net nice and high on my back and out of the way.  When I pull on the net, the magnet releases and allows me to have a long line to net the fish. I don’t go fishing for trout anymore without it.  It is one of the best accessories I own.  I don’t use it on smaller fish and I have run across some larger fish that just didn’t fit, but for mid-size trout, I highly recommend it. Rooster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question.  When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing?  I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line.  Is that the best approach?  Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net?

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Hi Ross, As Darin said in his post I too go without a net when fishing the waters around the Seattle area. Depending on the size of the fish I will usually not even touch the fish with my hands if possible. The reason I can do this is a nifty little tool called a Ketchum-Release designed by a fellow up in BC. So long as you use a barbless hook you can use this tool to slide over the line and then down over the fly. Usually with a simple twist or jerk of your wrist you can remove the fly and the fish is off and running. If you have done this with sufficient water under the fish and the fish hasn’t been played too long you won’t even have to touch the fish. If this fish is showing signs of being overly tired you should try to gently hold in gentle current it without EVER removing it from the water. Every second you have it out of the water reduces the fishes chances of recovery drastically. I also try to never release a fish that is visibly bleeding. If it is then it either goes to the eagles who often are nearby watching every move or if regulations permit I’ll take it home to the smoker (Having said that I might have killed all of ten fish in the last 5 years). The Ketchum-Release has got to be one of my all time favorite fly fishing tools. Just make sure you tie it onto your vest as they sink! Gary Disclaimer– I have nothing to do with the company that makes the Ketchum-Release I just like the tool! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m trying to fine tune my landing of medium size trout to minimize harm to the fish. I typically fish in coastal British Columbia rivers, which are prone to rocky shores (at least where I fish) and my normal method of landing fish involves beaching it then releasing it.  What I notice however is that often the fish will thrash about on the rocks while I’m in the process of beaching it until I pick the fish up to remove the hook and release it back in the water.  I can’t believe that having the fish roll around and hit the rocks (even if its only for a few seconds) can be all that helpful to its survival, so I am trying to find a better approach. The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question.  When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing?  I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line.  Is that the best approach?  Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net? Can anyone share their experiences and recommendations in beaching fish in similar situations, are nets the solution? Sorry if these are dumb questions, any ideas or experience would be appreciated. Ross

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I once saw Houston bow fishing for gar and other "rough fish".  He was shooting the fish, bringing them in, and then throwing them back in the water.  Couldn’t call that c&r at all, more like release and kill.  He stated that doing this was "good for conservation" since the gar kill sport fish.  I guess it’s a miracle that the largemouth made it this far, without J. Houston to protect them from the bad ol’ gar. David Burnside Since my Jimmy Houston rant a while back, I’ve had occasion to see him a few more times still doing exactly the same shit.   I don’t usually watch these shows, so maybe the others are just as bad, but that guy is appalling. It’s unfathomable to me how his mistreatment of the fish he catches continues to pass for sport and entertainment

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certainly.  The wet fish gets on dry sand/rock and the protective mucus on it are removed as when people grab fish with dry hands.  The fish becomes infected, etc. and later dies.

For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.

Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release. Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Opinions that snaps are okay<

I’ve heard from two people now who really like those things. Perhaps it’s time I tried them again. Maybe my mind will change. Any other input would be appreciated. Thanx! JL 8-Wt Editor

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Jim Stuart writes: On the other hand, tying on bugs in low light (hell, in any light) is getting harder as I approach geezerhood and I’m thinking about trying those little snaps that are made for flies.  Anyone had any experience with them? Yeah, I tried those some years back. I found them too big for trout flies, too small for bass flies, and too wimpy in general for the rough-and-tumble, cast-to-the-tangles fishing in my area. Besides, you’ve got to tie those on, too, and they’re just as hard as any small fly, and more difficult to handle if your hands are stiff.

$.02: Maybe the fish are less rugged here in MN. I’ve used those things for years, on flies, jigs and plugs. They come in 3 sizes, so yu do have to change sizes if you have only one spool. I keep a small one on my fly rod, a medium on my lighter spinning rod, and a big ‘un on my heavyweight rod. I’ve lost fish for a mess of reasons, but those clips are not among them. They also let the fly/lure be freer for action, like a loop knot. I don’t like them for worming, though; they can collect junk if fished real slow.         /   V  V  V  V  V  V  V  /      King’s Computer Management, Inc.        <   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  (o   1633 NE Hwy 10      VVV              Y                 612-784-8042 (voice)                      VVV Heddon Lucky 13 leopard: the lure doesn’t catch fish, fish catch the lure. Opinions? I’m married. I am not allowed to have opinions.

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Jim Stuart writes: On the other hand, tying on bugs in low light (hell, in any light) is getting harder as I approach geezerhood and I’m thinking about trying those little snaps that are made for flies.  Anyone had any experience with them?

Yeah, I tried those some years back. I found them too big for trout flies, too small for bass flies, and too wimpy in general for the rough-and-tumble, cast-to-the-tangles fishing in my area. Besides, you’ve got to tie those on, too, and they’re just as hard as any small fly, and more difficult to handle if your hands are stiff. JL 8-Wt Editor

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My fishing buddy and I will be in Idaho Falls and Yellowstone the first of June.  Any suggestions on patterns and sizes will be greatly appreciated as this is our first visit to the area. Also, any information on small steams in the area and the outlook for that time of the year. Steve D.

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My fishing buddy and I will be in Idaho Falls and Yellowstone the first of June.  Any suggestions on patterns and sizes will be greatly appreciated as this is our first visit to the area. Also, any information on small steams in the area and the outlook for that time of the year. Steve D.

Hi Steve,         A friend of mine named Jim Mengle is a guide at Last Chance Lodge in Last Chance ID.  It’s right in the middle of the best rainbow fishing in the lower 48.  Big strong wild rainbows on the Henry’s Fork River!!!  The lodge is run by a great guy named Lynn Sessions & Family.  It’s about an hour northeast of Idaho Falls on route 20. It’s right on the banks of the Henry’s Fork River on the way to Yellowstone Park.  I would be up in that area if I were you…  As a matter of fact that is where I’ll be!  THE hatch  (Western Green Drake) will probably be happening about then.  Also PMDs size 16 and Caddis with green egg sacs about size 14-16.  Fishing Bead Head Nymphs size 14-16 and Black Rubber Legs size 6-10 are a good bet in the Box Canyon.  You can wade in the Box,  but it’s best fished by drift boat. I highly recommend getting a guide (Jim is one of the best).  The fishing up here can be beyond excellent but you have to pay your dues one way or another.  For more info you can call Jim at  home 208-652-7508 or Last Chance Lodge’s # is 1-800-428-8338.  You can also get a nice inexpensive room there, plus they have an excellent fly shop.  There is also a great fly shop in Idaho Falls called Jimmy’s All Season Angler which is run by Jimmy Gabettas & Family.  Their # is 208-524-7160.   All of the above will be happy to help you guys.                                 Have Fun! | Bruce Braunstein C.C.P. | 208-524-7001

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Does anyone know if you can fly to Karluk and just camp on the beach there and fish?  There is a lodge there; I wonder if they have any monopoly on fishing in the Karluk river. This is on the southwest coast of Kodiak Island, in Alaska. Appreciate any feedback anyone can give.  

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I would always be careful about camping on the beach in any location where there are substantial numbers of brown bears.  You can fly into Brooks River, for example, and camp in a USFS camp site as well as stay at the lodge.  But in the camp site, just a little way off the beach, all the food has to be cached.  And all the fish have to be cleaned in a single building, far away from the camp site. I’d check with locals on the available faciltiies at Karluk river.

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| | Does anyone know if you can fly to Karluk and just camp on the beach | there and fish?  There is a lodge there; I wonder if they have any | monopoly on fishing in the Karluk river. | Hello, I was on the Karluk for a week this fall. Drifted to the mouth and camped on the beach. There are bears (big bears !) and you do need to be careful. Limited cabins (primitive) are availble at Portage. The real monopoly if you want to call it that is access. Very interesting and productive river. Regards, Jeff

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