Say Lou, yesterday I stopped in the LLBean outlet in Perryville. I got to chatting with one of the staff there about fly fishing, where I go, etc. Happened to mention Penns Creek & the ROFF clave. He says there was just a guy in there recently who mentioned an upcoming trip to Penns with some internet group. Was that you, or just a coincidence? Joe F. (Damn near bought some new waders, but managed to get out with my wallet intact.)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers. Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions: Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday. All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Tom L
Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report.
Actually, just a slow circular route. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’
Lest you give them the idea that I was heroic, I did have to meet up with Handyman Mike at the newly-arrived trailer. Plus, I told the camp ownership that I would settle up current finances(actually got money back, somehow) and finally Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john
John, John, John!!! Now, if you will remember, through the haze, I have a new, improved fishing car. I won’t cease to be safe until 2003 sometime. I will, of course drive it until about 2005. thanks for the kind words, though Tom
Mighta been me. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
Howdy All Got my trailer down to Hemlock Acres Friday. Winds were wipping me and it all over the hiway 50 MPH max speed most of trip hell i went faster on rte 880 from Carroll to Millhiem. For those comming from the east i don’t think they will be done with construction by clave time. 84 east and west construction free. Around Scranton construction here and there on 81 south maybe they will make it a three lane prepare to go speed limit maybe slower. 80 east and west construction in the old exit 31a and b areas single lane for 4 miles all in all not a bad ride. All you guys staying at the Cherry Run (aka N.C.Cabin) bring your tents cabin burnt to the ground last week. ( just kidding) Dave have a good trip to Coburn in April. Handyman Mike
Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’ Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions: Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday. All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Tom L
He drives like you fish 
In all honesty, thanks Tom. You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around. Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave. saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
@slb3.atl.mindspring.net: Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside. I’ll have to look around for better options. Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds : ) The Finn
Count me and Joe for two tents for the duration–at least until about thursday. I might have one more tent for the beginning of the trip, and Andy Cooper will join us sometime. He sleeps in his voyager. Is the meadow flatter than 75? Maybe we should take that and forget 75. I think we can only fit 4 or 5 tents there. Are there any issues that aren’t coming into play here? How far is the meadow to the bathroom? Scott
He drives like you fish In all honesty, thanks Tom. You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around. Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave. saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
ditto….. you da claveman tom…. you da claveman. –wally
What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions: Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday. All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Tom L
Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.
Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside. I’ll have to look around for better options. Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds : ) The Finn
Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions: All in all, things look pretty promising so far Tom L (snipped a great report)
Thanks for the update Tom.I can hardly wait! Regards,Flypaint(Shawn)
Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions: Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday. All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Tom L
Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.
Please don’t laugh. I mean this as a serious question. Are gars good to eat? I always thought of them as a trash fish like drum or carp. But maybe they are a member of the pike family. I don’t know. If so, maybe they are good to eat. I’ve never caught a bass while a gar was around. But the gars I see always seem to be right at the surface while the bass are usually deeper. – Larry
What were you throwing? (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.) I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!
Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.
In South Louisiana Gar are plentiful, a 4ft gar is common they normally tread open water where Bass like cover, they both eat the same forage fish and Gar will usually hit on the same baits as Bass, they will even chase a Buzz Bait, As a general rule like turtles and gators if they are around so are the Bass I cant say I ever noticed the Gar scaring off the Bass, Bass are Territorial also which is the other reason why they seek cover either the Bass are on or they arent. And yes they are edible, I’ve tasted them cooked several ways, can’t really say I care for it much but theyre ok…….coonass eat anything though, Im not Cajun though I grew up in Fla. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please don’t laugh. I mean this as a serious question. Are gars good to eat? I always thought of them as a trash fish like drum or carp. But maybe they are a member of the pike family. I don’t know. If so, maybe they are good to eat. I’ve never caught a bass while a gar was around. But the gars I see always seem to be right at the surface while the bass are usually deeper. – Larry
RE: What were you throwing? I was thowing a combination of things. I was using a popper surface plug throwing it into shallow water near trees and stumps. I usually spend alot of time getting the doggone thing untangled but what the heck, that’s why I bought a boat-I’ve yet to lose a lure from a snag (cross my fingers). Nothing makes my heart race like seeing the water erupt after the plug hits the water and a bass has decided to make a meal of my wood and stainless steel lure. I’m probably more suprised than the bass. When there were fewing visible snags, I’d throw a spinner bait (1/4 oz , day glow green head and mixed day glow green and white skirt with gold spinners). I also tried a 1/8 oz spinner bait with a white head and skirt. The fish (some bass) seem to like this better although I’ve caught a bowfin once on this type of lure and don’t even want this nasty looking thing near the boat! I presume the white skirt looks more like shad in the greenish water, whereas the day glow green/yellow doesn’t. It may be a size thing too-the 1/4 oz lure is much bigger than the 1/8 ounce lure. Ryan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What were you throwing? (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.) I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.
Ryan, my question was posted to Donald, who, like me, lives and fishes in South Carolina. Sounds like you are doing OK when around gar, but Donald raised a point about something I see a lot: four or five gar gorging themselves on minnows or shad. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: What were you throwing? I was thowing a combination of things. I was using a popper surface plug throwing it into shallow water near trees and stumps. I usually spend alot of time getting the doggone thing untangled but what the heck, that’s why I bought a boat-I’ve yet to lose a lure from a snag (cross my fingers). Nothing makes my heart race like seeing the water erupt after the plug hits the water and a bass has decided to make a meal of my wood and stainless steel lure. I’m probably more suprised than the bass. When there were fewing visible snags, I’d throw a spinner bait (1/4 oz , day glow green head and mixed day glow green and white skirt with gold spinners). I also tried a 1/8 oz spinner bait with a white head and skirt. The fish (some bass) seem to like this better although I’ve caught a bowfin once on this type of lure and don’t even want this nasty looking thing near the boat! I presume the white skirt looks more like shad in the greenish water, whereas the day glow green/yellow doesn’t. It may be a size thing too-the 1/4 oz lure is much bigger than the 1/8 ounce lure. Ryan What were you throwing? (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.) I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.
I was using a 6 inch black worm carolina rig.I thought that the different bait would throw in a little contrast. It worked.Sometimes you have to go against thr grain I guess. Good Luck
In Arkansas some of my friends fish for gar as we fish for Bass—Their best lure is unbraided nylon rope-no hooks!! The gar’s teeth are like Velcro loops and the unbraided 1/4 inch nylon is a sure fire bait. Try it–it’s fun—But you don’t get your "bait" back after a battle! Blaine "Fishing is a disease—and I got it BAD!"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All, In the river that I fish (the Merimac in St. Louis, MO) I regularly see what I *think* are gar surfacing all the time. They kind of ‘porpoise’; come up out of the water so that their dorsal fin and tail fin break the top of the water then submerge. Some of them are huge-tonight I saw one I swear was 5 feet long. My boat is only 17 feet long so it looked pretty big! While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites. I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around. Anyone know for sure? Also, it would *might* fun to catch one of these monsters-anyone know what they’ll bite on? If there are any Missouri fisherman out there who know what kind of fish they are, please identify them for me! Thanks, Ryan
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I have got to hear more about this…I see gar in Beaver Lake all the time….I have thrown all kinds of flies at them while thery are coming up for a "gulp" of air……tell me more about this nylon rope; how long…do you use it like a lure? Tie it on like a lure? GregH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In Arkansas some of my friends fish for gar as we fish for Bass—Their best lure is unbraided nylon rope-no hooks!! The gar’s teeth are like Velcro loops and the unbraided 1/4 inch nylon is a sure fire bait. Try it–it’s fun—But you don’t get your "bait" back after a battle! Blaine "Fishing is a disease—and I got it BAD!"
While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites. I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around. Anyone know for sure?
At times both bass and other predators inhabit the same areas. The reason mainly being availability of food and cover or water temp and oxygen levels. However gars will tolerate areas that no respectable bass will. This doesn’t mean that they can’t be found together, just that more often than not an area covered with gars is often void of bass. — Good Fishing – Moe Moe’s Guide Service – http://members.aol.com/moefran/index.html
Hello All, In the river that I fish (the Merimac in St. Louis, MO) I regularly see what I *think* are gar surfacing all the time. They kind of ‘porpoise’; come up out of the water so that their dorsal fin and tail fin break the top of the water then submerge. Some of them are huge-tonight I saw one I swear was 5 feet long. My boat is only 17 feet long so it looked pretty big! While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites. I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around. Anyone know for sure? Also, it would *might* fun to catch one of these monsters-anyone know what they’ll bite on? If there are any Missouri fisherman out there who know what kind of fish they are, please identify them for me! Thanks, Ryan
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC
Yes, I agree. Check the line to make sure, let it dry and use some line cleaner/dressing. If that doesn’t work, make sure you are mending your line so that that current isn’t pulling it under. DAYGLOW York Team DBE
I get the same problem with my Airflo 7000, I tried cleaning it and that helped, but I will try sealing it now!
I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin
Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC
I saw the show this morning. Jerry and the inventor, or marketer, were fishing a trout river for rainbow and brown’s. They were using it to cast mini jigs according to Jerry. It was as I said in my original post. They did seem to get pretty good distance with it and I am sure it is much less obtrusive than a casting bubble to the fish. Seemed like a nice alternative for the non-flyfisher. Also, I do think Cabela’s handles them. Jay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this what they used to call "spinning tapers"? They were 14-16′ long and you cast them with a spinning rod. The one I had was a Sunset or Courtland and was a size G-A ( this was in the 60s – before numbers). It work fair on a spinning rod. It worked best on a fly rod tied directly to the backing You could get a lot of distance out of it. After I got rid of it I read some of shooting heads and shooting lines. Do they still sell them? The long distances you could get didn’t require a lot of room behind you. The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. This sounds interesting – hope someone posts a report on it after the show.
I cannot write a report until I have actually tried one out. I seems very easy to cast and when I called Skip Halterman to ask if it would be as easy as it seems he replied with a positive yes, provided we use the appropriate tackle for each spinfly line. I have scanned some pages and put the on my website for download at "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/spinfly.zip". For more information you might want to call Skip or Jade Halterman at 1-800-752-7132. Say you found it on the fishing Newsgroups on Internet On a somewhat-related note, does anyone have any experience with using casting bubbles for big Pike flies?
There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies? Good Fishing. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
I have been involved in a foucus group for a well known fly fishing equipment manufacturer who has recently expanded their line to include high end spinning rods. We have been provided 7 through 9wt equivelent WF floating line for these spinning rods, which allow the use of commonly used flies. Keep watching for details. Marshal A. Mellow Senior Tester
There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies?
Do you know where I can find more information on this? I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.
Do you know where I can find more information on this? I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.
I don’t think Cabela’s would have them. It is a very new product. I did post the following information which would be of help :- "I have scanned some pages and put the on my website for download at "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/spinfly.zip". For more information you might want to call Skip or Jade Halterman at 1-800-752-7132. Say you found it on the fishing Newsgroups on Internet". Good fishing Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
We carry the new Spin Fly lines and would be happy to mail order them to anyone interested. They are just beginning to get attention here, but have sold very well in Japan over the last year or so (go figure). You can email us or call us at 1-888-200-0364, toll-free, for details. Check out our Spring Specials at http://www.flash.net/~rhart Lauren Hart, Brazos FlyFishers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies? Do you know where I can find more information on this? I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.
: I feel , however, that it takes the fun and : challenge out of using a flyrod. Nonsense…this spinfly line could be used by those who don’t normally use flies as a lead-in to "real" fly fishing…i think fly fisherman are shaking in their pants b/c this line allows the "unwashed masses" of fisherman access to fish and rivers which have been off-limmits to spin fisherman for decades…(b/c of regulations or the finicy nature of wild trout)…just my two cents… — Pierre (My best friends fly fish, btw)
this spinfly line could be used by those who don’t normally use flies as a lead-in to "real" fly fishing…
I agree. While I have one friend that is currently into fly-fishing, and another that is stumbling his way into it, I don’t have the opportunity to take it up yet. Ridiculous yearly spending caps combined with rotation of who gets what spent on their equipment in my household mean that it will be a couple of years before I can enter the world of true fly-fishing…wives can be such a pain ;) These spinflys may give me the opportunity to learn a little before I actually start spending money on my rig.
The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time.
Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod. Tonywee.
Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod.
Have not tried them yet and a lot of people here have not even seen it yet or know what the heck I am talking about. I hope someone on the Pacific coast could tell me when ESPN’s Fishing Hole will be on the air this Saturday morning so that I could watch it in action for the first time. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
I think that I saw these last year in Cabela’s big fishing catalog. It is basically a section of floating flyline about 14 inches long with a little bulge in the middle and loops on both ends. Maybe it’s the worlds shortest double taper! Anyhow, it would be fun for someone that had a difficult time with a flyrod. Might pick one up for one of my younger daugthers to use since a flyrod is still too difficult and they like tying their own flies. Right now they use the clear casting bubbles. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod. Have not tried them yet and a lot of people here have not even seen it yet or know what the heck I am talking about. I hope someone on the Pacific coast could tell me when ESPN’s Fishing Hole will be on the air this Saturday morning so that I could watch it in action for the first time. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do.
This sounds interesting – hope someone posts a report on it after the show. On a somewhat-related note, does anyone have any experience with using casting bubbles for big Pike flies?
Is this what they used to call "spinning tapers"? They were 14-16′ long and you cast them with a spinning rod. The one I had was a Sunset or Courtland and was a size G-A ( this was in the 60s – before numbers). It work fair on a spinning rod. It worked best on a fly rod tied directly to the backing You could get a lot of distance out of it. After I got rid of it I read some of shooting heads and shooting lines. Do they still sell them? The long distances you could get didn’t require a lot of room behind you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi ~ ~~ ~ ~ ..|.. ~ __|__ ~ ~ / o o o o ~ ~~ /~~ | X | /*_ .// |||. /_ ||| ||.. ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’ < <, Peacock Bass – "www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/" <<
bellows writes: actually, the reverse of that is what we should be looking for. we should work to stop the offshore-mixed stock fisheries and work to create selective harvest methods in terminal fisheries. you are right though, we cannot have both offshore mix-stock and terminal fisheries at the same time. the tribes didn’t destroy the resource, and they probably take less columbia river fish than alaska and canada (steelhead excepted). the problem is the method, gill-nets are plain wrong when you have co-mingled fish stocks, which is basically all the time.
Modify or eliminate the dams, and there would be plenty of wild salmon for everyone. CQ
I want to expand further on what I discussed in my first post. I didn’t take the time to go into detail so I came away sounding like a redneck who doesn’t feel the tribes should have access to the fish. They should. Afterall, they were fishing for salmon long before the first European stepped foot on the land in North America. However, I think there are better solutions out there then running gill nets around the clock for several weeks at a time.
you are correct, there are options. the state and feds should be trying to develop and encourage selective fisheries when it comes to commercial fisheries, whether they be treaty or non-treaty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salmon/steelhead fishing has become a game of who has the most money in our state. I despise politics because of special interest monies way of buying influence vs. doing the right thing. That is why I enjoy getting out on the water. It is one of the few acts that normally doesn’t involve much in the way of politics. Salmon/steelhead fishing is the exception to this. If your resources are endanger, common sense says you do the right thing and shut the fishing down for a year or two to EVERYBODY. That way, you get your fish stocks back up and the resource is boosted. Cutting off sportsmen in the least populated section of the state does nothing but tell us where we really stand.
in most cases, i would agree with that statement regarding closures, but in the columbia river system will closures restore the stocks? i believe that signifigant strides must be made towards increasing the survival of downstream and upstream migrants through the dams before real gains will be seen in the upper columbia basin. it’s not just eastern washington getting the short end of the stick (resource). where i live, along the strait of juan de fuca, communities are going belly up because salmon seasons have been cut dramatically, while commercial fishermen keep netting. One person mentioned that they didn’t think the tribal fishing accounted for much of the catch. If I am not mistaken, the tribes are entitled to 50% of the commercial catch each year. I may be mistaken on this but those are the numbers I have heard.
i said that, and i stand behind it. with regard to salmon the tribes take less fish than the offshore fisheries in alaska, canada and washington. with steelhead they are the only commercial fishers and catch too many wild fish in their nets (goes back to how much we need selective fisheries that allow the live release of wild fish). the tribes are entitled to 50% of the fish, but they do not always catch the 50%. the problem with the tribal fisheries is that we can see what they are doing. we don’t see the millions of fish that get caught off the coast, from alaska to the columbia, and the tribes get a larger share of the blame than they deserve (not that they are blameless). Irregardless of catch percentage, you can’t feel very good about seeing row after row of nets all the way across the river during the main part of the run. You know that any type of fish that swims by is getting caught in the net. In closing, when you are dealing with a limited resource that is in much demand, you can’t make everybody happy. However, it just seems like the sportsmen are the ones asked to give up their rights first.
the state had no other option but to close the upper columbia. they have no control over the main problem, which are the dams, and very little control over tribal netting. the date for listing was oct. 17th, so the state acted ahead of time. next year will be the test year as to whether the tribal fishing will be restricted also. another thing that made the closures automatic was the listing of the upper columbia hatchery fish (which heavily outnumber wild fish) as endangered. this took away the option of fishing for hatchery fish and releasing wild fish, which has been the case for the seasons precluding this one. I just bought a new salmon fly rod blank a week before they closed down ALL of the steelhead fisheries in my area. I now have to drive 6 hours one way to use it. That isn’t going to happen so I am building the rod for my sister in AK instead. At least there she will get to use it. At least in this round, I am the loser while the folks who have the loudest voices still have all their fishing rights.
it’s time to work for true restoration of wild, naturally spawning salmonids in the columbia system. it’s time for BPA to put some money into wild, native fish management. it’s time for other groups with loud voices such as the industries that use the columbia to the detriment of the fish to take some hits to restore the once large runs of salmon and steelhead to this river. i’m willing to pay more money for electricity to help fund measures that help wild salmon. i’m willing to accept closures to give the fish a break, but only if i see a real effort to restore the runs, not as an excuse to do nothing. i would love to see the tribes sue the hell out of the government to make them take the steps to restore wild salmon.
actually, the reverse of that is what we should be looking for. we should work to stop the offshore-mixed stock fisheries and work to create selective harvest methods in terminal fisheries. you are right though, we cannot have both offshore mix-stock and terminal fisheries at the same time. the tribes didn’t destroy the resource, and they probably take less columbia river fish than alaska and canada (steelhead excepted).
I think it would be fair to say that Canada would support reduced interceptions of columbia River salmon to the extent you can persuade Alaska from intercepting fish bound for our rivers. I believe some action has been taken to protect Columbia River fish off the West Coast of Vancouver Island though I’m not sure of the numbers and it likely isn’t enough – however interceptions by Alaska are the major problem and have to be addressed. It’s an issue that have very broad implications far beyond the commercial fishery and the Pacific Salmon Treaty. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.
I had the good fortune of meeting the Director of Fish & Wildlife, Bern Shanks, last night while he spoke at the Renton Chapter of Puget Sound Anglers. His basic message was this: Unless we make some drastic changes in the way our state is managing our salmon and steelhead, we will no longer be charged with that management resposnibility, the Federal Government will. He said that it appears to those in Olympia that the only parties interested in the outcome of this struggle to save salmon are the commercial fishing interests and Washington tribes. Please read my article and contact a commissioner and your elected representatives in Olympia. There is a crucial vote pending before the F&W Commission that will decide on a Wild Salmonid Policy option that will have significant lasting impacts on our future abilities to fish for and catch salmon and steelhead in this state. My article can be found at http://www.nwfishing.com/dweitl/ww1.html Thanks. — David and B.J. Weitl Poulsbo, Washington Washington Statewide Fishing Reports http://www.nwfishing.com/dweitl/ww1.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David, Thanks for the update. I know many anglers who are mad as hell at the way this states salmon and steelhead are managed. Skip Knowles, publisher of the Washington Fishing and Hunting News, has been an ongoing advocate who has been trying to raise everbodys awareness and has done a great job. In my personal opinion, the sportsman are just fed up with nobody listening to what we have to say. It seems that the commercial and tribal fisherman have all their attention. A classic example of this is the recent listing of the upriver steelhead as endangered species. The tribal and commericial fisherman can net the hell out of them in the lower Columbia, but once they pass a certain dam and are no longer of interest to these two parties, they become "endangered." The only loser here is the sportsmen. Then, to top it off, some clown wants to open the Hanford reach to a commercial fishing study two weeks later. (The same fish that are now considered endangered here would have been exposed to commercial nets!) Fortunately this was nixed by Senator Murray. I personally don’t know what else to do. It seems that special intersts have outbid the sportsman to the the point that we don’t have much of a voice anymore. The solution here is simple: GET THE TRIBAL NETS OUT OF THE WATER AND CREATE A NON COMMERCIAL NO FISHING ZONE AROUND THE OUTLETS TO THESE RIVERS.
actually, the reverse of that is what we should be looking for. we should work to stop the offshore-mixed stock fisheries and work to create selective harvest methods in terminal fisheries. you are right though, we cannot have both offshore mix-stock and terminal fisheries at the same time. the tribes didn’t destroy the resource, and they probably take less columbia river fish than alaska and canada (steelhead excepted). the problem is the method, gill-nets are plain wrong when you have co-mingled fish stocks, which is basically all the time. bern shanks is on our side on this issue. we must force the commision to follow his lead in protecting the resource, not special interests.
I would like to know if anyone out there has a good recipie for Bass leaders (as well as other leaders) I have tied my own for a long time but never really put much thought into it. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks ahead for the info. Eddie
Dear Ed: We would need to know a few more things. What size flies or poppers are you talking about such as hook size? Are talking about fly fishing for bass? What weight fly line are you using? Mr. Gink – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to know if anyone out there has a good recipie for Bass leaders (as well as other leaders) I have tied my own for a long time but never really put much thought into it. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks ahead for the info. Eddie
i am still always amazed when i see farm raised goldens for consumption at safeway… TimW
(AdFirmOne) writes: As you probably know, Goldens live above the 10,500 foot range. I’ve fished for them quite a bit in the eastern Sierra.
<SNIP Not necessarily so, last year caught a nice 14" golden at a lake whose elevation was at 8200 ft. Tough to find goldens in the Sierra below 10,000 ft., but they are there. Check out Ralph Cutter’s Sierra Trout Guide. It has all the fishable waters in the Sierra listed by county and whether a lake or a stream. The listing not only includes what type of trout are in evidence there, but also what elevation and which topographical map it it can be found on. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
I agree that altitude is not the govering factor. I know a lake in the norther sierra’s with goldens. The lake is at roughly 7000′. No I won’t tell where. It gets too much fishing preasure as it is. | |…… Seek harmony and balance in the mountains, find harmony and balance within…..
: I agree that altitude is not the govering factor. I know a lake in : the norther sierra’s with goldens. The lake is at roughly 7000′. I saw a mess of Goldens for sale in my local grocery store. I couldn’t believe it! I thought these fish were fairly rare? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
: I agree that altitude is not the govering factor. I know a lake in : the norther sierra’s with goldens. The lake is at roughly 7000′. I saw a mess of Goldens for sale in my local grocery store. I couldn’t believe it! I thought these fish were fairly rare?
Those aren’t the same "goldens" that are often sought after here. They’re farm grown fish with almost a solid gold color the bares no resemblance to the Volcano Creek or Little Kern Golden trout. I’ve seen some pictures of "golden" trout that have been introduced in some of the high country lakes in Wyoming and they also bare little resemblance to the High Sierra natives. They’re complete devoid of par marks and don’t have the red fins of the V.C. or L.K. golden. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY
I’ve seen some pictures of "golden" trout that have been introduced in some of the high country lakes in Wyoming and they also bare little resemblance to the High Sierra natives. They’re complete devoid of par marks and don’t have the red fins of the V.C. or L.K. golden.
That’s because they’ve grown to larger size. I’ve caught small Goldens in Wyoming and Montana that fit your description. The size of these smaller Wyoming trout matches the bigger California trout, and so does their coloration. Both rainbows and goldens loose their par marks as they get bigger. — -Wayne Trzyna
Both rainbows and goldens loose their par marks as they get bigger.
Not so. California (e.g. Kern) goldens keep the par marks through life. Matt Carey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — -Wayne Trzyna
(AdFirmOne) writes: As you probably know, Goldens live above the 10,500 foot range. I’ve fished for them quite a bit in the eastern Sierra. All the trips required at least a 8 hour hike in to get beyond the rainbows and brookies. A short trip like yours doesn’t promise much when searching out these beautiful fish. Good luck tho. As I said, I know of one lake that contains goldens that can be reach by vehicle with sufficient ground clearance. I also know of several others that require no more then an hour hike. None of these are going to be high producers. I would guess that none of these lakes are higher then 10,500′ in elevation either. I’m not so sure that 10.5K or even 10K is some sort of magic number for Sierra Goldens.
Hi Golden Trout were rainbow trout less than 50,000 years ago. They evolved into goldens in the Kern River system as low as 7,000 ft. They are considered a high elevation fish largely because that was where we planted them in the mid 1800s and early 1900’s. They have the ability to live in most waters that can support bows. There are about a dozen roadside golden trout waters and many less than an hour from the car (don’t ask). You’ll need to do some sleuthing, but that’s half the fun! Tight lines, Ralph —
Hello, I tried to post something like this already, but it doesn’t seem to have made it. My family is going on a weekend trip camping and fishing. We are looking for possible sites to find some golden trout, but with the tight constraints–we are on a 2-day weekend trip. This limits how far we can pack in and how far from LA (where the rest of my family lives) we can go. Any information would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks, Matt Carey
Matt It has been a few years but about 30-40 miles north of Bishop is a lake called convict lake. It’s fising used to be outstanding. Hike above this lake they say about 3 miles and you come to some very high mountain lakes that used to have golden trout. I tried this hike once with may not so good leg and never reached these lakes but am told they are there and seen them on the maps. I think Convict lake’s resort used to have an internet site. Look for it at any web search engine (webcrawler, altavista, infoseek, etc.). This used to be one of my favorite fishing spots. Watch the weather reports for the storms come upon this area VERY quickly. HTH Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I tried to post something like this already, but it doesn’t seem to have made it. My family is going on a weekend trip camping and fishing. We are looking for possible sites to find some golden trout, but with the tight constraints–we are on a 2-day weekend trip. This limits how far we can pack in and how far from LA (where the rest of my family lives) we can go. Any information would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks, Matt Carey
In ‘89 I did a trip up to Lake Mildred (or Martha, not sure of the name)…it’s the first lake in the chain above Convict. That lake produced many fish, but no goldens…Convict Lake was terribly crowded and I’m sure it hasn’t gotten any better…. I’ll be fishing in the Lone Pine/Whiteny area the 4th of July weekend…hoping to get up to some of the higher lakes in that area…I’ll let you all know what happens.
As you probably know, Goldens live above the 10,500 foot range. I’ve fished for them quite a bit in the eastern Sierra. All the trips required at least a 8 hour hike in to get beyond the rainbows and brookies. A short trip like yours doesn’t promise much when searching out these beautiful fish. Good luck tho.
There are a few places that do not require 8 hour hikes. More like 15 minutes or less. (These places should be held dear, but they do not hold large goldens-if there are such a thing). Some of these are roads approaching the Kern River drainage and some of the Sierra mountain pass roads. Mail me directly and I can give you a little more info. -Don M.
Matt It has been a few years but about 30-40 miles north of Bishop is a lake called convict lake. It’s fising used to be outstanding. Hike above this lake they say about 3 miles and you come to some very high mountain lakes that used to have golden trout. I tried this hike once with may not so good leg and never reached these lakes but am told they are there and seen them on the maps.
There are quite a few lakes in this area along the eastern slope of the Sierra that are about the same distance from a lake that you can drive to. Go up over Piute pass (out of Rock Creek) and you’ll get into some good Golden Trout country as well. In the June Lake area Gibbs and Kidney lake are about the same distance *up* as the lake above Convict lake. There are some golden trout lakes in the Mammoth Lakes and 20 Lakes Basin (near Saddlebag Lake). I even know of a lake that you can drive to that is a bit further north that has Golden trout in it. I’m a bit reluctant to provide a lot of details about a lot of these places however. I wouldn’t have hesitated about 3-4 years ago but with the commercialization of the net I’m afraid that I’d see a pay-per-view web site or a 1-900 number with all the Golden trout lakes for anyone (and everyone) to use to find these spots. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY
As you probably know, Goldens live above the 10,500 foot range. I’ve fished for them quite a bit in the eastern Sierra. All the trips required at least a 8 hour hike in to get beyond the rainbows and brookies. A short trip like yours doesn’t promise much when searching out these beautiful fish. Good luck tho.
As I said, I know of one lake that contains goldens that can be reach by vehicle with sufficient ground clearance. I also know of several others that require no more then an hour hike. None of these are going to be high producers. I would guess that none of these lakes are higher then 10,500′ in elevation either. I’m not so sure that 10.5K or even 10K is some sort of magic number for Sierra Goldens. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY
Stuff Deleted… As I said, I know of one lake that contains goldens that can be reach by vehicle with sufficient ground clearance. I also know of several others that require no more then an hour hike. None of these are going to be high producers. I would guess that none of these lakes are higher then 10,500′ in elevation either. I’m not so sure that 10.5K or even 10K is some sort of magic number for Sierra Goldens. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY
Elevation isn’t the determining factor, as you have said. It’s the temp. and cleanness of the water. It’s just that you tend to find both at higher elevations. It also seems that you are fishing the same places I am. Please don’t post the locations. It took me years of hiking and searching to find these places. I would hate to see them become the next hot spot to go fly fishing. Darryl Hayashida
AdFirmOne sandbags: : As you probably know, Goldens live above the 10,500 foot range. I’ve : fished for them quite a bit in the eastern Sierra. All the trips required : at least a 8 hour hike in to get beyond the rainbows and brookies. A : short trip like yours doesn’t promise much when searching out these : beautiful fish. Good luck tho. Nice try- Do you think the Kern is at 10.5K? More like 6,000. Basically, Goldens live in clean, cold water and are very sensitive to environmental impact. There really is no altitude limit, as evidenced by their presence in many lakes and streams throughout the easter sierras. Sure, you can hike to lakes at 9,000-10,000 ft. and catch goldens. In fact, the DFG uses some remote lakes around cottonwood pass for hatcheries (*DO NOT* fish at these lakes- it’s illegal). However, this does not mean that goldens aren’t found at lower elevations. Many streams are within a few hours hike, and some lakes have parking lots a few miles from the shore- both contain goldens. Get a topo, and call some fly shops in the bishop area. Best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon." -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom" delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont
Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any business or profession can take for business-related expenses and available to just about anyone in any profession or business who qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of.
: Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions : of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, : materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other : legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any : business or profession can take for business-related expenses and : available to just about anyone in any profession or business who : qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of. Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks. Travel and accomodations are tax deductible. Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible. (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.) You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here. Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks. Travel and accomodations are tax deductible. Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible. (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.) You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here. Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. –Rick
I agree with you regarding the posting of this sort of commercial add. Regarding travel and accomodations: these expenses are deductable only if the primary purpose for which they were incurred relates to the educational seminar. In other words, one cannot take a one day seminar in Montana, followed by 4 days of fly fishing and then write off the all of the travel and expenses. I believe most of this topic is covered in 26 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Sec. 1.162-5 Expenses for education. A few examples from 26 CFR Sec 1.162-5 are set forth below, enjoy: "Example (1). A, a self-employed tax practitioner, decides to take a 1-week course in new developments in taxation, which is offered in City X, 500 miles away from his home. His primary purpose in going to X is to take the course, but he also takes a side trip to City Y (50 miles from X) for 1 day, takes a sightseeing trip while in X, and entertains some personal friends. A’s transportation expenses to City X and return to his home are deductible but his transportation expenses to City Y are not deductible. A’s expenses for meals and lodging while away from home will be allocated between his educational pursuits and his personal activities. Those expenses which are entirely personal, such as sightseeing and entertaining friends, are not deductible to any extent. Example (2). The facts are the same as in example (1) except that A’s primary purpose in going to City X is to take a vacation. This purpose is indicated by several factors, one of which is the fact that he spends only 1 week attending the tax course and devotes 5 weeks entirely to personal activities. None of A’s transportation expenses are deductible and his expenses for meals and lodging while away from home are not deductible to the extent attributable to personal activities. His expenses for meals and lodging allocable to the week attending the tax course are, however, deductible. Example (3). B, a high school mathematics teacher in New York City, in the summertime travels to a university in California in order to take a mathematics course the expense of which is deductible under this section. B pursues only one-fourth of a full course of study and the remainder of her time is devoted to personal activities the expense of which is not deductible. Absent a showing by B of a substantial nonpersonal reason for taking the course in the university in California, the trip is considered taken primarily for personal reasons and the cost of traveling from New York City to California and return would not be deductible. However, one-fourth of the cost of B’s meals and lodging while attending the university in California may be considered properly allocable to deductible educational pursuits and, therefore, is deductible." If you realy want to see the rest of this code section, let me know. Andy
Andy What if you "attend" a meeting for 30 minutes each day and have the rest of the day off? Each day would be a training day! DB
Caveat; I’m no tax attorney, but I’ll give my two cents. The regs require that the primary purpose of the travel, lodging, etc. be for the educational seminar before the costs can be deducted. Were I the IRS agent (not an enviable position), I would have to conclude that the primary purpose of a trip composed of 30 mins of educational seminar per day, followed by as many hours as one can fit in the rest of the day for fishing, would be fishing not professional education. Accordingly, travel, lodging, etc. expenses would not be deductible. Maybe you would be allowed to prorate the expense, however. That is, deduct expense in proportion to time spent on legit pursuits. Well, legit according to the IRS, anyway. Exactly how much time you must spend in seminars per dya to make all expenses deductible, I don’t know. I imagine that would be evalauted on a case-by-case basis. Andy
I will be in the Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean area of Quebec Canada in the 3rd week of June. We will be fishing rivers and lakes(Lac Ha!Ha!) Any advice on flies, tippet sizes, and presentation for Quebec brook trout would be most appreciated.
I will be in the Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean area of Quebec Canada in the 3rd week of June. We will be fishing rivers and lakes(Lac Ha!Ha!) Any advice on flies, tippet sizes, and presentation for Quebec brook trout would be most appreciated.
Dwight: The last time I fished the lake (hmmm – 5 years ago) the challenge was to find a fly that the brookies *wouldn’t* take! Four rods averaged close to 50 fish-on per day for the time we were up there, with the average size brookie around 2lbs, and the largest close to 5lbs. Most fish were taken in the late afternoon on dries of just about *any* style and size. For the most part these fish were not shy (guess that’s obvious) and I was using 5X and 6X tippets (depending on fly size) on 9 foot leaders… I’ve also fished many of the other (smaller) lakes in the Mistassini Reserve – there’s some great pike fishing up there (wire bite-guards were a must!) so if you get bored with the brookies there are other attractions worth going for… Have a great trip up there! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Does it have the same warranty as the rods? Just think of it,a 25 year warranty; drive the damn thing into a tree–get a NEW one!!!Get hit by a bus–get a NEW one!! Break your Orvis Rod, closing your Orvis Edition door–get a NEW rod and Jeep!!! I can’t understand where you see this becoming a problem.It’s not like Ralph Lauren is coming out with a POLO line of yuppie flyfishing clothes, with $225.+ mock flyfishing vests made in Shri Lanka(spelled wrong:you know the place where Orvis has their flies tied.); which someone got 80 cents to make with $4.00 worth of material, and are going to sell these at OUR finer stores for mear profit! Personally, I’d like to see ALOT of people buy them. Picture this, 25 Orvis Edition Jeeps in the parking lot.25 paranoid new Orvis Edition owners,fishing as close to the parking lot, as possible; to watch their $25,00 plus investments. Me, I’ll be 100 yards up stream–FISHING BY MYSELF!!!!!
OK, so maybe I’m a little bit biased because my vest is an Orvis, a gift a couple years back, but if there’s one thing ALMOST as annoying as a bunch of yuppies brand name-dropping on the stream bank, it’s a bunch of anti-yuppies on the opposite bank throwing rocks at them. People object to the conspicuous consumption, brand name set because this group of people seem to judge personal worth by what company made their clothing, gear, car, etc. OK, no problems there with me; I hate that stuff, too. But aren’t we doing the same thing when we start to feel that anyone who purchases anything from Orvis falls into the dreaded Y-word category? Now WE are the ones who are judging personal worth based on a label. We have thus become the anti-snob, which is the same thing in my book. IMHO Orvis sells some worthwhile gear, and some of it is reasonably priced for the quality you get, like the Battenkill disk reels and their super-strong leader material (who really makes that stuff, anyway…anyone know?). Some of the stuff is overpriced, but a savvy angler can pick and choose…it just means more catalogs to go through during the loooong winter, which to me sounds like a good way to spend my time ;) Happy Winter Solistice (the days will be getting longer soon, only 3.5 months until opening day…) Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler