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Camera Purchase, help

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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right??? ;-) Impressive. On a more serious note, are the Simms Guide weights worth the money? I’ve been using a pair of Reddingtons and a pair of (yeah, I know, gasp!) Orvis green mountain breathables for the past couple of years (both are essentially the same but the Reddingtons seem to be put together a little better). Both have held up to a lot of hard fishing but they are both dying at the same time (I actually alternate use on a trip by trip basis). How resistant are they to brambles and the occasional pricker bush? My 2 pair are covered with shiny gobs of Sun Seal goo. Actually that’s my only complaint considering they only cost $99 apiece. —

| | cabelas | | OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. | | | Elitist. | | Here’s what really pisses me off. | | This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not | complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. | The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I | guess. | | So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so | I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new | pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. | | I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally | redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — | built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh! |

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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right??? ;-) Impressive.

Yep. They’re waiting for me to make my move.

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What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot. the best wader on the planet, by far, hands down, is just a few weeks away… i pity the poor bastards wearing cab…., hodg…., orv…, redd……. and such…. whilst i’m fresh and warm as a muffin fresh out of the toaster, yer freezin yer jewels off… poor bastards. get real, get smart, buy simms. i ain’t cuttin’ no slack on this issue nor am i trying to drum up business…. experience. any one who believes otherwise, is daft, a communist, and can’t fish worth a fiddlers fuk, imho. Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^) –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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<snipped ezflyfish spam <G Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^)

Oh, SURE. Throw THAT in at the end! — TL, Tim Same to you, BTW.

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No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

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Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better.

I have to say I’m shooting much better now. It’s so much nicer to be able to: 1) change ASA without losing film, 2) Check a picture and see if it needs to be reshot. 3) set the white balance without needing extra filters. 4) Have an auto exposure that works right 99% of the time. 5) Have a motor drive. 6) Not have to wait for a processing lab. 7) Have a 28-200 zoom that’s beautiful throughout it’s range. Though there are adapters for the old lenses, they don’t provide the new features to those lenses. The only disadvantage is that slides are tough and expensive to make. Chas

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No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

i’m also wadered up steve…. *but*, a man has to field test new product, donchaknow. i’ve only worn a sample in the store as of now. it was very comfortable and i liked the way simms designed the legs…. they seem to be "fitted". in all honesty, the guide pant model will probably still be my wader of choice. the chicks dig ‘em. stay warm, –walt…… ps, you forgot to mention the built in Flip-out Tippet Tender Pocket, including a built-in retractor <g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people presents for Christmas ! You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me. I understood you and was half-joking. I agree with you re Christmas presents & I get completely turned off every time I wander out to a store at this time of the year. At the same time, I know that I have more than I need of various things. When I really think about it, I don’t see much difference between buying something that is "useless" as opposed to buying something that I might actually use but I could easily do without because I already own enough to do the same thing without yet another one.

When you send your only pair of waders back to Simms for repair in the middle of the fishing season, expecting them to return in no less than several weeks, you NEED another pair. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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I have a portfolio of excuses along similar lines (well, if the backup to the backup breaks, I need another one to cover it…), tho I have to admit that yours sounds a bit more compellling :-)

There are only so many things to do in Stanley when you aren’t gainfully employed, Greg. During fishing season, it’s fishing. During hunting season, it’s hunting. During skiing season, it’s skiing. Of course, there’s also drinking and carousing, but that takes place mostly in the evenings. I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary.

have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip? i’ve resisted installing the studs until PA, where they will be needed on those dastardly rocks. what i like about them is, well, they live up to their name… lightweight. wally, never met a unnecessary ff item <g

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Yes, I have. And yes, they do, but not as well as carbide studs. I removed them at the HF Clave so I wouldn’t mess up John Hightower’s beautiful self-made wooden drift boat. I’m hoping I can find them again. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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– I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7. Any comments on which is better? I am not trying to stir anything up.. I have posted to rec.photo 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active. I have followed this newsgroup for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here. I have been to my local camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. Both seem to be nice AF cameras. Any other recommendations in this price range? Keith

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm. BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7. This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. Personally I’ve been a Nikon guy for the last 20 years. I upgraded from an FM to a N90s a few years ago. Nikon recently end-of-life’d the N90 line but I’d recommend it over the N80. The construction is metal vs plastic in the N80 and it has a few more bells and whistles (i.e. higher flash sync speeds). But the N80 is still a great camera at the high end of the non-pro ranks. Since it is not produced any longer you may be able to find one that has been marked down. Nikon is still servicing them and the warrantee is pretty good. Check out www.bhphotvideo.com - great mail order place with a great reputation. I buy most of my stuff from them. If you live in the area or find yourself in NYC check out their store on 9th and 34th. It’s huge and stocked with helpful sales people (FYI – they close Friday at 1 PM and reopen on Sunday). —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7. Any comments on | which is | better? I am not trying to stir anything up.. I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active. I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here. I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras. Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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Sorry, fingers slipped – the group is rec.photo.equipment.35mm —

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What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

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cabelas no no 4 yes and no see above definitely camaraderie backatcha, big fella — TL, Tim

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OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. no

Wrong. I do. So do quite a number of others. no

OK 4

5 yes and no

yes see above

see above definitely

Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay? camaraderie

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— I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7. Any comments on which is better?

"Better" is perhaps in beholder’s eye. Both brands are of high repute; perhaps using criteria based on the sorts of potography you’ll do most would aid in selecting. Any quality 35mm SLR will give many years of service if treated well. (Happens I have 2 Minoltas which are 20+ years & going strong.) I don’t think you’d be disappointed in either the Nikon or the Canon. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Anything is possible but not everything is easy. B. Gray

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I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.

…snip… I’d consider what you’ll want when you go digital. The lenses are interchangable on Nikon from their old stuff to the newest. I just bought a Nikon D100 digital, and I’m delighted with it. My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

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My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

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My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas,

An afterthought: there are adapters for some of the Rokkor lenses to allow them to be used on some Maxxum bodies. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy. B. Gray

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know.

Elitist. definitely Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay?

hearsay, absolutely camaraderie OK

YEA! I got one right! — TL, Tim and just in case, :) :) and especially, ;-^)

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. Elitist.

Here’s what really pisses me off. This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I guess. So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh!

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I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer!

Arrrrggghhh! If it will help, you can send a pair or two to me. Just trying to be helpful. . . — TL, Tim

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And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people presents for Christmas !

You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me. What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Flyfishing In Lesotho – Southern African FF Report

Flyfishing In Lesotho – Southern African FF Report

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FLYFISHING AND BACKPACKERS PART II OXBOW LESOTHO – VANITIES GRAVEYARD Before we get started lets get something straight. I can catch fish. ….etc.

Terrific report, Ari. I’ve fished for trout in Malawi, the eastern highlands of Zimbabwe, and a bit in Western Cape, but never anywhere as remote and "back to nature" as you describe. I’ve suspected there must be good fishing in Lesotho (from the geography), but never had any details. How much of the Malibamatso is on the New Oxbow Lodge’s grounds? Also, what do the guides you cite charge per day, more or less? JR

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FLYFISHING AND BACKPACKERS PART II OXBOW LESOTHO – VANITIES GRAVEYARD By Ari Bert Before we get started lets get something straight. I can catch fish. Occasionally even big buggers come my way. I have photographs and witnesses to prove this. I even made a recent journey down to my waters in Dullstroom to prove this to myself. A couple of decent 3 (and above) pounders got my confidence up. Hard to catch yellows and kurper in Gauteng fell to my rod with alarming regularity, So I can safely say that before the 10th of April 2001 my head was a slightly enlarged one. Then somebody made mention to me about the difficulty of taking Wild Lesotho Trout on dry fly. "Come on!" I replied, "It’s only trout!" If a half-a-million Yanks and Brits can hoik them out of their streams every day how hard can it be for us? "Those fish down in Lesotho probably have never even seen a fly before", thought I. "Easy pickings", assumed I. It soon became apparent that I was completely and utterly 100% wrong. The gauntlet was thrown down, so to speak. Now lets get something else straight. You can talk all you like about puristic intent, traditionalism and challenges, but the simple fact of the matter is

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Shad run in Maryland

Shad run in Maryland

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I am most definitely interested; but be advised it can approach "combat fishing" during the height of the run, especially at the well-known holes. E-mail me your address & I’ll snail mail you a couple simple shad flies that produce well. You can tie these things in your sleep. Late April, early May is the time to go. I’d definitely recommend a sink tip line over full sink or split shot. 4 wt to 6 wt. is fine. It’d be a great time to hook up w/ you again. The guys at the Edge are usually up on the latest status of the run when the time comes. Joe F.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run? I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt. Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring. I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide. Frank Reid

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run? I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local Frank Reid

Frank, Frank, Frank…..I hate to sound like a broken record, especially since my fish of preference is trout, but I can spot a bus load of fishermen on the Rappahannock, at the right spot, on the right day (actually night), and let you catch Hickory and American shad until you tire and beg for mercy. Fly of choice will be #8 Clouser in pink/white. Plan on being there at the end of April and we can fill up on chili and beer before we slide over the couple hundred yards to the river. The occasional big striper keeps the small rod (6 wt.) users on their toes. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Which reminds me, if anyone is on their way from the South on the way to the Penn. Clave and wants to stop off in Fredericksburg on the way, the shad run is slowing down, 2nd striper run getting underway, smallmouth fishing heating up BIG TIME, and you will have to drive less than 5 miles off I-95. Frank has some great waters for shad in Maryland and a late April shad Clave for the day would be a hoot. — Wayne (Penn. Clave still up in the air for me) To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Wayne, Wayne, Wayne… As great as the Rapp may be, the Susquehanna and Deer Creek are but 20 minutes from my door (and probably Lou T. as well), and less than an hour for Frank. Plus, it doesn’t require another license purchase. I’ll definitely be down for the smallies in August, but I’ll most likely support my local shad. :-) Joe F. Then again, Easter weekend falls near the beginning of the run, and a family camping trip might be arranged. "Hey hon, how about we try someplace to the south, say along the Rappahannock in Virginia? What, the shad run is on? I had no idea!" :-) Give me a town name for reference.

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Then again, Easter weekend falls near the beginning of the run, and a family camping trip might be arranged. "Hey hon, how about we try someplace to the south, say along the Rappahannock in Virginia? What, the shad run is on? I had no idea!" :-) Give me a town name for reference.

I would try to slip up there and fish for Md. shad if you do a shad- calve. They are smaller and not as pretty as Va. shad but it would be fun anyway! The Va. shad festival begins about Easter weekend this year with the nearest town being Fredericksburg. Campgrounds nearby both ways, upriver at the begining of smallmouth season or close to I-95. When the (*&%&^#$% mail server comes back up at my home e-mail account I’ll tell you EXACTLY which town and which hole to fish in. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?

Okay, now you have me thinking about it, so I have to ask. If we do a one-day thing, a week day would be better crowd-wise. Among those who migh make it, would a Friday be good? I’ll start some prelim looks into campgrounds (Susquehanna SP is close, but alcohol is probably a no-no) and/or other arrangements. Might even talk SWMBO into hosting you reprobates for an afternoon cookout or something. Joe F.

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The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce. Use a long shank streamer and you can grab the hook by the eye; give it a quick turn; and release the fish without lifting it from the water or touching it. Other two color marabou streamers are also used but IMHO, if they’re not biting on the red and yellow, they’re not likely to hit on anything. Six weight rods are the most popular. I use up to 4s when fishing Yellowstone NP, but always use a 6 for shad. Two other important things are: 1. use enough weight to get the fly down and 2. The water temp has to be above (?). I forget the temp so one of you others can fill in the blank. I use a length of lead core line as weight. Lou

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If you’re looking to set a date, The best days for shad fishing that I’ve had in previous years locally (Deer Creek and an unmentioned stream) have been around 1 May. However some years the runs vary a bit. If the shad aren’t hitting, it’s also the time for stocked trout in nearby streams. Lou

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I vote May 4, Frank R. Clavemeister, Joe Beermeister, Lou Flymeister. — Wayne ( attendee-in-training) To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce.

Absolutely. And a gold or silver tinsel body. (I got mine from Joe’s shop, but didn’t know he invented them. FWIW, Joe B. adds a single short strand of red thread as a tail, but it probably makes no difference.) I use a length of lead core line as weight

Give me a few details on that. I always use the sink tip, and I have ST lines for both my 6 wt. and son’s 4 wt., but if I take the whole fam damily this year, I dont want to be buying a couple more ST lines for a one-time excursion. Joe F. p.s. You ever going to let me know about those meetings? <g

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I vote May 4, Frank R. Clavemeister, Joe Beermeister, Lou Flymeister.

May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there. There’s plenty of hotels/motels nearby also, should the need arise. We’ll be very close to Edgewood Arsenal (military base), & there’s a healthy hospitality biz surrounding that. No, not *that* kind of hospitality (though I wouldn’t be surprised.) Joe F.

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May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there.

The good news is – alcohol is allowed in the park. Drinking at campsites, picnic tables, etc. is allowed. Not on trails or parking lots, and loud and obnoxious behavior will result in expulsion (could be a problem there). Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats). Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two. I will do this: I’ll reserve a "cabin" and several adjacent sites (as insulation). If you *think* you might attend and want to arrive Thursday night or stay over Friday, let me know asap. For anyone coming from a distance, I’d recommend Thursday night; pre-dawn is the best time on the river. As the date approaches, I’ll offer more details e.g. driving directions, lodging, etc. as needed. Joe F.

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Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats). Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two.

For details on the park & a pic of the cabins: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/publiclands/central/susquehanna.html Joe F.

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For details on the park & a pic of the cabins: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/publiclands/central/susquehanna.html Joe F.

Things are looking real promising for me to attend. I’ll possibly come up after the beltway mania dies out. — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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Harford County Fly Anglers mets first Tuesday of the month at the Churchville Center. I’ll post a reminder for the Feb meeting. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce. Absolutely. And a gold or silver tinsel body. (I got mine from Joe’s shop, but didn’t know he invented them. FWIW, Joe B. adds a single short strand of red thread as a tail, but it probably makes no difference.) I use a length of lead core line as weight Give me a few details on that. I always use the sink tip, and I have ST lines for both my 6 wt. and son’s 4 wt., but if I take the whole fam damily this year, I dont want to be buying a couple more ST lines for a one-time excursion. Joe F. p.s. You ever going to let me know about those meetings? <g

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Ok. Joe, seems like you got things handled (your neck of the woods shall we say) and that weekend sounds great. If some one would like to get our hats from the Susquehanna Hat Company, then we’ll be set. I can get a pot of chili for lunch and rig a sign. Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there. The good news is – alcohol is allowed in the park. Drinking at campsites, picnic tables, etc. is allowed. Not on trails or parking lots, and loud and obnoxious behavior will result in expulsion (could be a problem there). Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats). Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two. I will do this: I’ll reserve a "cabin" and several adjacent sites (as insulation). If you *think* you might attend and want to arrive Thursday night or stay over Friday, let me know asap. For anyone coming from a distance, I’d recommend Thursday night; pre-dawn is the best time on the river. As the date approaches, I’ll offer more details e.g. driving directions, lodging, etc. as needed. Joe F.

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run? I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt. Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring. I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide. Frank Reid

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » Fishing For Stripers Around NYC

Fishing For Stripers Around NYC

Question:

I have heard that the fishing for stripers can be good right through November. Can anyone point me to a source of information about this. It would be helpful to know: How late the fish are generally around. Where you can launch a boat from and safely leave your truck and trailer. What tides and locations are best. Thanks for info. JK

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Http://www.reel-time.com Check the FishWire Reports. Weekly NY saltwater fly fishing reports. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have heard that the fishing for stripers can be good right through November. Can anyone point me to a source of information about this. It would be helpful to know: How late the fish are generally around. Where you can launch a boat from and safely leave your truck and trailer. What tides and locations are best. Thanks for info. JK

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Wading in Misery

Wading in Misery

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You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

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I too am an Oregonian and began using Neoprenes with the old James Scott unlined ones….great smell to them after a couple of outings, sort of like the Chicago stockyards on a hot August day. With the advent of breathables I’d never wear another Neoprene wader, winter or summer…breathables all the way, in the summer a pair of light weight capilene long johns to keep the moisture off the skin and prevent a case of rosy red ass from cropping up on the 3d or 4th day of a trip. When it is really cold (like the Sandy in January, Idaho in October ) Patagonia Expedition weight long johns or lt. long johns under a lt. wt capilene pant is the ticket for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state." Tom McGuane

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Which wader.

I haven’t tried the breathables yet, I think the jury is still out on those, some seem to like them some don’t. Last year I decided that my old Hodgeman neo’s had shrunk enough (:-)) and that I needed a larger size. I had a LL Bean gift certificate that was a Christmas present so I went down to Freeport and got fitted for a nice pair of waders. Compared to my old Hodgeman’s these things are fantastic. Guess I’m a neoprene guy, but then I float tube in some pretty darn cold water and I can’t imagine using a pair of breathables for that purpose. Under the neo’s I wear a pair of polypro johhnies that I got on sale at the Fly shop in Greenville Maine…this has turned out to be the best setup I’ve had yet. Flyfish

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Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather…

I tested the Simms Goretex on 2 trips to Alaska this year. When wading in knee-deep darn-cold water, and while hiking, they were far better than neoprene. When in waist-deep darn-cold water, even with 300 polartec pants and wool socks, I started to chill quickly. When sitting in a semi-cold wet raft, those portions of the waders that were in contact with the raft or other objects lost their functionality, and it seemed like wet-spots were forming on the inside of the waders and there was zero heat retention. During one day of rafting I was on the verge of hypothermia in the Simms Goretex whereas I’m 100% sure I would have been warm in neoprene. My overall take is this. All breathable waders are good *if and only if* they get a change to breath and vent off any moisture buildup which would otherwise wick warmth away from the body. Time-extended or deep wading, or sitting or leaning on surfaces causes moisture buildup followed by rapid heat loss. Neoprene on the other hand might get damp inside from sweat, but its a "warm damp". As I resume winter steelheading, I’ll be back in the neoprene. Thomas Gilg

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I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon. If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

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When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon. If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

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I used to wade wet in the summer, but the snow melt in the Sierras can be very cold, so I started using lightweight stocking foot hip waders and never get too warm or too cold. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff: http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon. If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions.

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re breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc.

I believe the breathables are as good or better than neoprenes in the winter provided the appropiate undergarments are worn. I usually wear a pair of long underwear and depending upon the weather and mood, flannel lined jeans or fleece pants and good socks (wool usually). Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

Yes as long as your in the water. They may breathe but on a hot day, waders are still waders when walking back out. I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot.

I swear by Simms. and as far as I’m concerned, comparing them to other *cheaper* breathable waders I’ve seen, there is no comparison. But there are other good brands coming out or are out (Patagonia, LL Bean, Ronny, etc). I think you first need to decide Gore Tex or not. Simms is gore tex, Orvis is not. Not saying that one is better than the other, but the gore tex stuff often carries a premium. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of wind knots and tailing loops.

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I wear my breathables only in the summer and ony for wading. Not for belly boating. I ran into a pair of old guys (70s) who were wearing breathables with long johns and several other layers in the dead of winter. I were 3mm in the early fall and 5 mm in the winter and in the spring belly boating with more or less layers underneath. Breathables are much more comfortable and I’d wear them all the time if I didn’t suffer urinary types of distress when I cold soak my ah…crotch. I’ve got the LL Bean bullet proof breathables with Kevlar since I do lots of bushwhacking through stuff that rips up normal breathables or neoprenes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

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<tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques. Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape. Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable. I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here. On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2 sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days. Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps. Stay warm. Warren

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Agree with most of your post except the part about sweat pants and sweatshirt. Most of these are made of cotton and cotton loses its ability to insulate after it gets wet. So if the moisture is wicked by the fleece layer to the cotton, you have a soggy layer that’s providing no heat retention. Wool, however, does retain its insulating properties when wet but gets soggy nonetheless. Polypropylene fleece is the best all around in my opinion for wicking and maintaining its insulating properties. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques. Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape. Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable. I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here. On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2 sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days. Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps. Stay warm. Warren

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Two sets of long johns, fleece bibs, and a pair of sweat pants? Judas, man, how the hell do you walk with all that around your gams? Must be hell when you gotta pee.

Actually it isn’t. The bibs have a zipper at the bottom of the fly as well as the top. The long johns are the old fashioned "union suits" that have buttons all down the front and a trap door in the rear. The sweats are elastic at the waist. I leave the long johns unbuttoned at the last button so it is easily accessable. Walking isn’t a problem because I buy my waders a little large so it all fits. It is really only slightly more bulky than neoprenes. Warren

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Two sets of long johns, fleece bibs, and a pair of sweat pants? Judas, man, how the hell do you walk with all that around your gams? Must be hell when you gotta pee. -wf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques. Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape. Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable. I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here. On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2 sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days. Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps. Stay warm. Warren

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When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi

Because the air temp may be warm, but the water cold as hell after the snow melts. Warren

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0] : … : (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or : Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under : a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to : have recognizable brands.) See Al Beatty’s web page http://www.btsflyfishing.com He sells the Danica vise and is a real straight shooter. You won’t go wrong dealing with him. Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories (remove x’s from email if not Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971 a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

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Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

Certainly a bit different from the Swansea Valley – good luck with the sale. — Bill

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(poetic stuff snipped) I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it.

John – why are you selling, if I may ask. Don’t tell me you’re moving up to North Carolina! Mark Faulkner

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In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia. While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

Absolutely agree with your assesment of sausage gravy and biscuits. Have to disagree about poking fun at southern cooking. It is almost impossible to avoid grits, no matter WHAT you order for breakfast, you get grits. Grits with eggs, oatmeal, french toast, if you ordered eggs sardou and oysters on the half shell they’d bring you a bowl of grits ! If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. — Ken Fortenberry

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(snipped) << While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Amen to that, Joe. My favorite is red-eye gravy and gen-u-wine country ham. Of course my doctor frowns on it, but what the hell. Dave LaCourse

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(snip) <<If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. True, but grits do not have to be uneatable. Go to the mill in Helen, Georgia, and ask for some Georgia Ice Cream. I will guarantee you will go back for seconds. Yep — they’re grits. And while you are there, stop by Unicoi Outfitters — very nice fly shop next door. Dave LaCourse

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many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

How about chicken fried steaks, fried okra, green beans cooked with ham, and red-eye (ham) gravy? If I lived in the south instead of being an occasional visitor I would weigh about 400lb with a cholesterol level of about 600. Absolutely love southern cooking! George Adams

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.

come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits

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<<come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits Wayno, you finally got one wrong. Make that Sugar Corn Pops instead of oatmeal. Dave, loving his Georgia Ice Cream

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits

Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

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But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

right on, john. america the beautiful. no cliche’. wayno

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months. Now, I’m off to the range - need some work on the new .454. By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

I’ve made a few cyberfriends on this N.G. I just hope they will still be around after the clave:-) — Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie… *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

Not forgetting "Taw Son" and "Twll dyn pob Yankee"….how about that Wayne? Just a couple of phrases for those occasions when the dialectual emphasis is incorrect! — Bill

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(snipped) <* Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong. Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had. I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well. My post was meant to be satirical — your’s is down right insulting. Dave LaCourse

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<* Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong. Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had. I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well.

Despite being born, raised, and presently residing south of the Mason-Dixon line, my southern upbringing was woefully neglected in many respects. Most relevent to this post, however, is the fact that I never once saw nor heard of sausage gravy until I was nigh on 23 years old. Perhaps it was because my mother grew up on a poultry farm so fried chicken was far more often on the table than pig. Anyhow, I was driving a truck south to Georgia that year and stopped at a roadside diner (Stuckeys?) where I went for the breakfast buffet. There among the "normal" foods was a whitish, somewhat gelatinous, unrecognizable glop whose purpose or enjoyment I couldn’t fathom. I learned later that this was sausage gravy, commonly spooned over fresh biscuits. Being a huge lover of sausage, gravy and biscuits in other forms, I endeavored to try this stuff at my next opportunity. In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia. While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Joe

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In response to our colorful speech a close pal of mine responds is a wet minner schlick! If you don’t no what a minner is, they will turn into fish later! Tim(Smokyfly)Doyle

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, * If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for.

If they jump your battery, they’ll also all be someone’s brother in law. Don’t ask me why, but it’s a nationwide phenomenon that you rarely get a jump from someone who isn’t someone else’s brother in law. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here.

Is the burden then on you to prove that he did in fact need it, or on the prosecutor to prove that the deceased was a fine man, a pillar of the community, kind to kids and dogs, etc? * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go.

That’s what I like about the south. One little flake hits somewhere in Jaw-gia, and they have riots in Atlanta. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim.

HAH! Is that why you never shoot your deer past maybe 100 yards and maybe not even and you need dogs to chase them anyway? * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits.

Actually, you’re right. We’d call it "meatloaf." —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNtoklJdiUzdLFqlpAQHybgf8CLl/3ejh3nboAY1js1Ib+kxpBXeUnFGJ OQKOgMKxBtWwxIBjcbQfM8/hhfTLwFtQBEeiLr3KzH442O79nFFtLhyFQ4xRWypq EBSfK/KXdLfPv8PU0oCBPu/tc2+n25YgW+DOvppxDJMk2SaKg5maF7hn6Yn+vK2W 7arWxs/vW5J3PiU6k5BVhbfQst/oTNEyKW9i2QYtbWINHb6vu8oK0PEsJIXtgiWk WLAdLqh1M6mpNmqBfC5ewmKpjJRDqLcw2yNF8iRDJVh68gWobviz5kLfTH0rtrDc DmHTKETQVzIaKjxi9Z0hls6dWygVMwlarJgUYrtqPOimcHCEW77A3w== =iswu —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz Maybe my life belongs to me. Maybe it belongs to some god. I’ll be f***ed if it belongs to the government.

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of:

instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months. Now, I’m off to the range - need some work on the new .454. By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

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* Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either.

Strange but true. An old college buddy from Illinois flew into Huntsville airport. Before we headed to Guntersville, which was dry, we went to the state store in Huntsville for supplies. He wanted to pay with a travelers check and asked the clerk if travelers checks were OK. She looked at him like he was speaking martian and asked him what did he say. Jim returned the same look. I had to translate. My wife insists I still retain a southern accent, I prefer to think I’m just a capable translater. — Ken Fortenberry

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I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia. And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: * If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. * Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. * Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" * You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" * Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. * The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy". Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. * The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. * If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. * When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. * In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

*very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

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On Sa *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

mumbled at least four times earlier today up on wilson’s creek. waldo — The Blue Ridge Book Gallery P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter to view our ongoing auctions at Ebay, click below… http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=blue…

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What’s the difference between Y’all and Ya’ll? I heerd it in Lecester. which sounds like Lester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia. And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: * If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. * Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. * Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" * You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" * Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. * The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy". Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. * The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. * If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. * When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. * In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Fly fishing for catfish

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t… i use a white zonker fished on an intermediate sink tip in the summer for cats on the fox river in wisconsin. i get by on a 8 wt. st. croix, and have a fine time doing so… i think it’s mainly a problem of identifying the forage fish (in my case, a white perch) and getting down to the cats. and when they strike…well, i’ll leave that for your first fish… hex

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http://www.smallstreams.com/Cat.html The above article is one that resides on my little site. adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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This past spring and summer I caught quite a few channel cats on flies. Any kind of streamer seems to work fine. Drifting the fly near blowdowns and into deeper holes and just letting it hang in the current, no retrieve, seemed to work best. Evan

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Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? Duane: I can tell you that when the whitefly is on the Susquehanna River, I have had a blast taking rising catfish on a dry. This would be late July-August in most years. They fight like an old tire – just drag them in.

….don’t know what kind of catfish that would be (fights like an old tire). In Montana, we have channel catfish in the praire rivers, and they fight like buffalo soldiers. Note that bacon rind will stay on a hook all day. So will fresh pork skin, which, when fished with a shooting head and a pea-sized split shot, works well for channel catfish. — * Center For Computational Biology * Montana State University */

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I visit a 50 acre lake about two hours north of Houston, TX a couple times each year and usually take a flyrod with me. When I cannot get the Bass, Bluegill or Crappie to cooperate (rare) I’ll resort to Catfish. For me, sizable Blues and Channel Cats will readily take a Woolly Bugger #2-4 Black on 0-1X leader about 7 ft or so. They don’t seem to be leader shy. — KennyM "I fish because I love to…"

t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? With 4-10 pounders farly normal in the rivers (at least around here) I was wondering if anyone had given this a try. I didn’t find out about this aspect of the sport until after the fishing slowed down for the winter. Haven’t had much luck with the catfish so far, but I also haven’t had much luck in the last 4 weeks catching anything except a cold. I was wondering what gear was preferred by the more experienced folks to take these wee beasties and what patterns folks used other than Hellgramites and Joe’s Hopper. With luch like this I’ll have plenty of time to tie the patterns before the water starts getting warm. (Of course, I could always use the time to catch those funny looking rainbow colored fish that are stocked down here in the winter time.) Thanks in advance for any info.

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Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? With 4-10 pounders farly normal in the rivers (at least around here) I was wondering if anyone had given this a try. I didn’t find out about this aspect of the sport until after the fishing slowed down for the winter. Haven’t had much luck with the catfish so far, but I also haven’t had much luck in the last 4 weeks catching anything except a cold. I was wondering what gear was preferred by the more experienced folks to take these wee beasties and what patterns folks used other than Hellgramites and Joe’s Hopper. With luch like this I’ll have plenty of time to tie the patterns before the water starts getting warm. (Of course, I could always use the time to catch those funny looking rainbow colored fish that are stocked down here in the winter time.) Thanks in advance for any info.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? With 4-10 pounders farly normal in the rivers (at least around here) I was wondering if anyone had given this a try. I didn’t find out about this aspect of the sport until after the fishing slowed down for the winter. Haven’t had much luck with the catfish so far, but I also haven’t had much luck in the last 4 weeks catching anything except a cold. I was wondering what gear was preferred by the more experienced folks to take these wee beasties and what patterns folks used other than Hellgramites and Joe’s Hopper. With luch like this I’ll have plenty of time to tie the patterns before the water starts getting warm. (Of course, I could always use the time to catch those funny looking rainbow colored fish that are stocked down here in the winter time.) Thanks in advance for any info.

When I lived in Kansas I used to catch a few channel cat on wooly buggers, zonkers and decievers, mostly when I was fishing for white bass or crappie. — Charlie…

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Hi Duaine, I’ve caught a few catfish while "crawling" a woolly bugger through still water. I’ve never been sure if catching them was a mistake or not but they were hooked in the mouth. I’ve never had any real consistant success though. On the other hand I’ve had a lot of fun fly fishing for carp. They tend to hold in slow or non-moving water and take buggers fairly well. Because they are often in shallow water they can be real spooky. Good luck & … — Tight Lines — Al Beatty Whiting Farms (Hoffman Hackle)

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Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? With 4-10 pounders farly normal in the rivers (at least around here) I was wondering if anyone had given this a try.

Duane: I can tell you that when the whitefly is on the Susquehanna River, I have had a blast taking rising catfish on a dry. This would be late July-August in most years. They fight like an old tire – just drag them in. It gets to be an art to distinquish the catfish rises from the smallmouth rises. Mark Faulkner

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Ditto the whitefly post–channel cats belly up to the smorgasbord in late summer on the Potomac, too. I’ve caught a number of catfish on dark strip-leeches or butch minnows while fishing for smallies. They will take minnow imitations in our eastern rivers, and quickly too. An element of luck or accident is involved, though. Dave Motes

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What kind of catfish were these? I’ve caught a few Channel Cats when fishing for bass & they fought like a freight train. Willi

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Duaine – There are a couple of small streams and lakes that I know of in Arkansas where the catfish will readily take a fly. This seems to be somewhat aberrant behavior for a catfish, but in these particular areas they are the primary predator species (for some reason the smallmouth bass haven’t done well there – overfishing?), and they don’t seem to show the normal reluctance that cats show. The water in these areas is normally gin-clear, and I usually catch channel catfish on flies. The other species of cats, while present, only occasionally will take a fly. The cats will only rarely take a dry fly (usually a hopper pattern), but will aggressively charge an olive-green wooly bugger or zonker. There is a lot of vegetation in these waters, and there is a large number of small (2") fry from bluegill, which the streamers do a pretty good job of imitating. For some reason, the period during and immediately after a thunderstorm is vastly the most productive. I’ve taken channel catfish up to 10 lbs. in these waters, sometimes catching 10 or 15 in a single afternoon of fishing. The largest cat I ever took on a fly was actually on the Potomac river right at the Beltway around Washington D.C. That particular fish hit a large white streamer I was casting for smallmouth bass, and then proceeded to drag me up and down the river (on foot, no less) for about an hour before I could get close enough to remove the hook. I didn’t attempt to weigh him, but he was about the length of my leg to the hip (say 36"), and bigger in girth. My best guesstimate for his weight would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 lbs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any body out there fly fishing for catfish? With 4-10 pounders farly normal in the rivers (at least around here) I was wondering if anyone had given this a try. I didn’t find out about this aspect of the sport until after the fishing slowed down for the winter. Haven’t had much luck with the catfish so far, but I also haven’t had much luck in the last 4 weeks catching anything except a cold. I was wondering what gear was preferred by the more experienced folks to take these wee beasties and what patterns folks used other than Hellgramites and Joe’s Hopper. With luch like this I’ll have plenty of time to tie the patterns before the water starts getting warm. (Of course, I could always use the time to catch those funny looking rainbow colored fish that are stocked down here in the winter time.) Thanks in advance for any info.

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Yippee! Got my first boat! WARNING! – Minimal Content!

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: :Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it :is-for any GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards? no, the accuracy is only good to 50ft or so under ideal conditions. — george jefferson

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| Now, the question: | | Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it | is-for any GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards? | Seems to me it would take a complete map of the bottom and more waypoints | than any device could handle. | | Peggie Hall/Peal Products | Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 | (And should prob’ly stick to giving plumbing advice only!) | | Peggie, If your boating friends make such wide-sweeping assumptions that you do, then I can understand why they would run aground in the middle of a channel! Actually, many ocean-going boats have much more advanced guidance and navigation systems than most of the lake-trailers that you see on Lake Lanier. Auto-pilots and GPS combined are used by many fishing and scuba outfits to drop almost dead-on a target with minimal search. I’ve seen it done many times. Please read what I have written again. If I was looking for a target, why would I run WOT? However, if I was heading for a fishing spot on, say, Lake Hiwassee, and I knew the GPS co-ordinates, then why do you fail to see the value in inland lake GPS? Actually, there are GPS maps of many lakes available, with features pre-programmed. Plug and play, as it were. I doubt that any electronics, whether it be GPS or marine radios, can replace the instrument between your ears. Now, you want to talk useless. With a toilet at every ramp, who needs a marine toilet?

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I doubt that any electronics, whether it be GPS or marine radios, can replace the instrument between your ears.

Absolutely true. You mentioned going fast, night running, unfamiliarity with powerboats, unfamiliarity with the lake (which has a nasty habit of changing week to week)…and spoke of using a GPS to do your navigating. But from your above comments, it’s obvious I misread your intent to use it to navigate going fast at night…Sorry! However, when you’ve heard as many stories as I have about some of the ideas new boat owners have, it’s understandable. The best one recently was a dealer who told me about a first time buyer who wanted GPS and an autopilot on his new houseboat so it could take him back to his slip at night if he was too drunk to do it himself! I see bass boats hauling all over the lake at night at WOT (more often than not with no lights showing BTW)… occasionally hear of tragic consequences….I just don’t want you to be one of ’em. Now, you want to talk useless. With a toilet at every ramp, who needs a marine toilet?

Anyone who has a boat with enough privacy for one who doesn’t want to go find a toilet on land every time his wife has to pee! <gg Bring that shiny new toy up my way one of these days and I’ll buy you a beer…it’s the least I can do after insulting your intelligence! Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987

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WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear.

Welcome to boating! I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank.

Welcome to the reality of owning (and dumping money into) a boat . . .

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For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier!

Gee, my GPS displays current course and speed. (In knots, statute miles per hour, or km per hour) If you go over the the sci… groups, you can debate whether the speed is calculated based on delta-t / delta-d or doppler shift. Lee Lindquist lindquist ‘at’ ibm.net "Only 2 more years until people stop telling me when the millenium REALLY ends."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! Gee, my GPS displays current course and speed. (In knots, statute miles per hour, or km per hour) If you go over the the sci… groups, you can debate whether the speed is calculated based on delta-t / delta-d or doppler shift.

So I’ve heard from a dozen people via e-mail! Since there’s no real practical use for ‘em on an inland lake, the only ones I’ve seen were on friends’ sailboats on the Chesapeake Bay….and those only showed course and position. The owners all have separate knotmeters. How ’bout expanding my learning curve a bit more…first, the lake conditions: Lanier is a river in the foothills of the Smokies that was dammed and spread out over hills & valleys…around 260′ deep at the dam, but as little as 15′ deep up "creeks" out of the main channel. The water level fluctuates as much as 13′…what’s 6′ below the surface-and no problem–at full pool can "rise" to 2′ below it in a matter of a week or two, much of it in the middle of channels. And the shoreline "moves" as a result. In fact, the shoreline is "expanding" and islands are shrinking–some have disappeared –due primarily to wake…Lanier is the most-used Corps of Engineers lake in the country. While the areas that are always shallow, many of which are passable when the lake is at full pool, but not when it’s down as little as 2′, are marked, it’s impossible to mark the ones that appear and disappear with fluctuating water levels as fast as often happens …and markers get knocked down. "Local knowledge" of the reefs and shoal waters is essential…prop and outdrive repair accounts for a major percentage of the marine repair business around the lake…even seasoned boaters who’ve been on the lake for more than a decade fall victim, proceeding VERY cautiously even in the daytime, and especially at night. Just last fall a friend who’s had a houseboat on the lake for more than 20 years lost an outdrive on an unmarked shoal in the main channel of the lake, more than 100 yds from the shore…running at about 1200 rpms, but not paying enough attention to his course. Now, the question: Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it is-for any GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards? Seems to me it would take a complete map of the bottom and more waypoints than any device could handle. Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 (And should prob’ly stick to giving plumbing advice only!)

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| Congratulations! You’re about to find out why B.O.A.T. stands for Break | Out Another Thousand! <gg | | However…. | | I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat | will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add… | | But first do the rest of us on Lanier–and yourself–a HUGE favor: take | a Coast Guard Auxiliary or US Power Squadron boating safety course! | | For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for | Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation | system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in | latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all | sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! | | You DO need a VHF radio, however…so you can call for help when you run | out of gas. <GG | | A boating safety course costs nothing but the time to do it. You’ll | learn the rules of the road, correct VHF procedure, how to read a chart, | how to recognize when weather is building and get to shelter before the | storm hits (I’ve been on Lanier in sudden squalls packing 45 knot | winds–NOT where someone in a 17′ open boat wants to be!)…safety gear | and how to use it–what’s required…a whole BUNCH of information that | could save your life–or mine. <g | | Have fun and be safe! When you get the radio (and learn how to use it), | call SOLITAIRE…I’d love to see your boat. | | Peggie Hall/Peal Products | Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 | | Peggie | Thanks Peggy, I am reading a boating safety manual right now, which is probably more than most boaters do as a minimum. It is not my first time on the water, just my first power boat. I’ve have four other boats under the deck. Thanks, too, for the info on the GPS. I was trying to head off the corrective comments about speedometers not being accurate. GPS is a lot more useful than just finding your way back to the dock, in my estimation. It can be a safety device in tough boating conditions such as inclement weather or just being in the dark. Shorelines can be tricky to read in the dark, and one might not want to run next to waterway markers if there is a boat anchored nearby. Last, but not least, GPS can be used to re-locate positions, whether it be underwater cover, building foundations (my wife and I are divers, as well), and submerged islands, particularly on the distant lakes where I plan to trailer my boat. Not too sure I need a VHF radio, though. I’ve got twelve gallons of gas and I am an awful cautious. I switch over a tank leaving enough to get back on in the empty. I prefer to have a HONKIN’ bilge pump with a redundant back-up to buy me enough time to get to safety or shore. I have been in a thirteen foot Ghenoe on a river when it was raining so hard and the boat was filling with water so fast that I couldn’t stop bailing long enough to set the gear out of the boat on the bank! I’ve also paddled the Ocoee river in my kayak a few of times and gotten chewed up by Double Trouble and Diamond Splitter, as well as Hell Hole and Double Suck, but I’ll say this…it wasn’t as thrilling as cruising the lake in MY BASS BOAT!!! See you on the water.

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Congratulations! You’re about to find out why B.O.A.T. stands for Break Out Another Thousand! <gg However…. I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add…

But first do the rest of us on Lanier–and yourself–a HUGE favor: take a Coast Guard Auxiliary or US Power Squadron boating safety course! For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! You DO need a VHF radio, however…so you can call for help when you run out of gas. <GG A boating safety course costs nothing but the time to do it. You’ll learn the rules of the road, correct VHF procedure, how to read a chart, how to recognize when weather is building and get to shelter before the storm hits (I’ve been on Lanier in sudden squalls packing 45 knot winds–NOT where someone in a 17′ open boat wants to be!)…safety gear and how to use it–what’s required…a whole BUNCH of information that could save your life–or mine. <g Have fun and be safe! When you get the radio (and learn how to use it), call SOLITAIRE…I’d love to see your boat. Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 Peggie

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I think its great that you got you’re first boat. I bought my first boat as well last week. Its an old boat a ‘72 Starcraft with a small motor (35 HP). We took it out Sunday and ran around a local lake. Sonce i was a kid I’ve wanted a boat. Someday, I’ll upgrade, but I’m just in heaven from this boat. I did not catch any fish my first time out, but I did not really try. Have fun and be safe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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This is what it is all ABOUT!!! Tear it up Tom & family…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Battenkill, covered bridge to Vermont Line

Battenkill, covered bridge to Vermont Line

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If you don’t mind sharing, where are the secret holes. My wife and I will be there later this week and would love a little help as I’m hoping she’ll catch something memorable and get a little hooked herself. We’ll be in the area only for a 24 hour period. We’ll be staying in manchester and the next day heading to West Lebanon, NH. Any suggestions for any other places we might hit would also be appreciated. Ira Clair

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Try the Nature Conservancy pond up on the hill above Manchester. Plenty of room to cast or wade, and some very large trout. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly If you don’t mind sharing, where are the secret holes. My wife and I will be there later this week and would love a little help as I’m hoping she’ll catch something memorable and get a little hooked herself. We’ll be in the area only for a 24 hour period. We’ll be staying in manchester and the next day heading to West Lebanon, NH. Any suggestions for any other places we might hit would also be appreciated. Ira Clair

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Bad news the legend of the Battenkill is the mith of the battenkill. My son-in-law ans I were up there July 4th weekend all excited about fishing the great battenkill. The average size of the fish we caught was 3" yes thats three inches. good luck but don’t be depressed if the big ones aren’t there

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They really are in the ‘kill, but big browns don’t come out for the fireworks too often. steve d.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » back from Kamloops weekend

back from Kamloops weekend

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Back Sunday night from four days in and around Clinton and Savona areas in the interior of BC. Two and a half days at Big Bar Lake and a day and a half at Tunkwa Lake. Big Bar was great, beautiful, uncrowded and good fishing. The fish were a mixed bag of some coloured fish and some bright silver fish. Tunkwa wasn’t quite as easy, was more crowded, and the weather wasn’t as nice. Quite a contrast between a popular lake and one that has a low-profile but which offered a better fishing experience. A question: are the dark fish spawning or is it post-spawning colouration? The largest fish was a 20" rainbow with heavy shoulders and a bulldog disposition. It leapt like a silver fish and fought as hard as any other fish I have caught, but fishermen seem not to have such a high opinion of them. Is this only because of the poor table qualities of such a fish? I have hooked other dark fish and they have not fought nearly as hard as bright fish, but this trout was an exception.

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Sounds like a post spawn fish. The low opinion stems from poor flesh quality and the lack of fight comes from depleted physical condition. Your fish was probably just starting to come back into condition. Sounds like you had a great time. Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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