Question:

George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can!  Cane  if for when you discover that hertage and  presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history  and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that  the maker has spent some time on and not  his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment.  I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap.  Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Response:

George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.  

Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador.  Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’.   We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"

Response:

<< I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts.  They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics.  Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you.  You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you.  However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off.  We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

Response:

Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off."

Response:

The only saga that continues – your irrationality.  There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone.  So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter

Response:

Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area.  Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too.  You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany.  They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with.  What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough.   Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon.  Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving.  There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side.  The challenge still stands.   — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients.   http://www.gink.com/  Just talk fly fishing!

Response:

Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry

Talk fly fishing Harry.  Talk fly fishing.  Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Response:

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.

Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

Response:

. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.

Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.

Response:

Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

Response:

"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

Response:

As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Response:

Question:

_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

Response:

_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

We certainly know who doesn’t….

Response:

_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? —

Orvis. Dave LaCourse

Response:

_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue? — Orvis. Dave LaCourse

_____ Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh! — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

Response:

_____  There is someone that makes those things but I can’t remember the Company’s name.  Anyone have a clue?

Check out Stormy Seas at http://www.stormyseas.com/vests.html These folks make awesome products.  Read the history of this company– the founder went overboard into the Bering Sea in November.  He survived (a small miracle) and founded this company so that more could also survive similar situations.  LOTS of North Pacific commercial fishermen wear Stormy Seas jackets. The vests and jackets have a bladder inside that is inflated by pulling on a chest patch that is attached to a CO2 cartridge.  The benefit is a vest or jacket that is not bulky but has a built in life vest.  There is also a fill tube that can be used to inflate the vest by mouth. BTW, these make for a great joke at the bar…  I’ve seen ‘green’ fishermen have their cord yanked and their jacket explode into a life vest.  The response never fails to amuse. Tom no longer working at sea Before you buy.

Response:

Question:

RAIN"""""""""RAIN"""""""""RAIN"""""" — www.Vermont-Streams.com Fly Fishing Specialists The  true joy in pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places! Win a Fly Logic Reel in our contest.  Visit our Fly Shop page to enter.

Response:

RAIN"""""""""RAIN"""""""""RAIN"""""" —

South Carolina News 70 degrees at sunrise, clear skies, light breeze out of the WNW. Went fishing!!! jim

Response:

Question:

Early this year I had the opportunity to test Loomis rods I was impressed by the GLX and the GL3. Was seriously considering buying a Loomis until I discovered there guarantee policy. I then tested Sage and Orvis rods. My preference goes to the Sage VPS 7w 9 ft. (medium-fast action). This rod will be used for brook and brown trout, landlocked salmon and bass. My fly fishing is in rivers and lakes with nymphs, streamers, wet flies, bass bugs and dry flies. I am now using a Fenwick HMG 7w 8.6 ft for the same job. For windy conditions, heavy nymphs or for long distance casts this rod is lacks some strength or power. I would like to have your opinions and comments on the Sage VPS rod and/or on the end use.

Response:

Sage says the materials and action of their VPS series are the same as their old RPL rods (although the VPSs are now much cheaper, since they’re no longer "state of the art").  I have a 7wt 9ft RPL for steelhead and a 5wt 8.5ft RPL for trout.  They’re the best rods I’ve ever owned.  Assuming you prefer a medium-fast action–rather than the super fast actions being pushed by makers these days–you couldn’t do better than the VPS.  Have fun with it. JR

Response:

Question:

I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

Response:

[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Response:

[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

Response:

The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

Response:

I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

Response:

You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

–          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

Response:

one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

Response:

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

Response:

one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Response:

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

Response:

[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Response:

Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

Response:

They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

Response:

I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Response:

I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

Response:

Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

Response:

I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

Response:

Question:

Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia…. Steve

Response:

Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia….

They used to hold their meetings at the corner of Saratoga Ave. and Williams and occasionally would announce their meetings in the SJ Mercury.  They could also occasionally be found meeting at the Campbell "Perc" ponds on the weekend.  I understand they have a casting pond there now. John Fereira

Response:

San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

Response:

Sorry – I forgot to include: Meetings start at 7 pm. bob sato – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

– Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

Response:

Question:

I am trying to make my own float tube this winter. If anyone has any plans or knows where to get plans to make one any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe

Response:

I am trying to make my own float tube this winter. If anyone has any plans or knows where to get plans to make one any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe

Got a little free time on your hands this winter Joe?

Response:

I am trying to make my own float tube this winter. If anyone has any plans or knows where to get plans to make one any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe

Make your own float tube? Hell, I’m making my own spring creek this winter! Really though, it’s not so much the plans I’d wonder about as the materials. It has often been the case, when I got a notion to make something, that I discovered it would be cheaper to buy it after I factored in the costs of material. Unfortunately, one guy doesn’t get the economies of scale a large mfg. does. This is not to say I don’t understand the appeal of do-it-yourself. That’s why I tie flies. I don’t tie enough of any particular pattern at one time to produce flies for $.10/per. Then I go buy more materials to learn a new pattern. I’m probably still losing money on the deal, but I’m gaining something else. I just wonder where the line is and if perhaps making your own float tube doesn’t cross that line. Roger

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to make my own float tube this winter. If anyone has any plans or knows where to get plans to make one any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Make your own float tube? Hell, I’m making my own spring creek this winter! Really though, it’s not so much the plans I’d wonder about as the materials. It has often been the case, when I got a notion to make something, that I discovered it would be cheaper to buy it after I factored in the costs of material. Unfortunately, one guy doesn’t get the economies of scale a large mfg. does. This is not to say I don’t understand the appeal of do-it-yourself. That’s why I tie flies. I don’t tie enough of any particular pattern at one time to produce flies for $.10/per. Then I go buy more materials to learn a new pattern. I’m probably still losing money on the deal, but I’m gaining something else. I just wonder where the line is and if perhaps making your own float tube doesn’t cross that line. Roger

YOU are talking about a very dangerous thing to do.  Something that can kill you.  If the stitching isn’t correct, the material wrong, etc. Whatever you do, please, please wear a life vest when trying it out. There is more engineering involved than meets the eye.  Understand this. Mr. G. — MZ

Response:

This is not to say I don’t understand the appeal of do-it-yourself. That’s why I tie flies. I don’t tie enough of any particular pattern at one time to produce flies for $.10/per. Then I go buy more materials to learn a new pattern. I’m probably still losing money on the deal, but I’m gaining something else. I just wonder where the line is and if perhaps making your own float tube doesn’t cross that line. Roger

Roger,         Of course it crosses the line!  Didn’t you know we’re ALL over the line. Tight Line Crossings, Charley

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is not to say I don’t understand the appeal of do-it-yourself. That’s why I tie flies. I don’t tie enough of any particular pattern at one time to produce flies for $.10/per. Then I go buy more materials to learn a new pattern. I’m probably still losing money on the deal, but I’m gaining something else. I just wonder where the line is and if perhaps making your own float tube doesn’t cross that line. Roger Roger,         Of course it crosses the line!  Didn’t you know we’re ALL over the line. Tight Line Crossings, Charley

DEAR CHARLIE:  The real profit is in the high quality improvements you obtain by tying your own flies.  Better success equates into lower overhead in the time it takes to get into your next fish. etc. — George Gehrke/President Gehrke’s World’s Best Fly Fishing Products Asotin, WA 99402 509-243-4100  FAX 4644

Response:

Question:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results).

Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

I still get value from the two magazines I get, FF in Salt Waters and Saltwater FF, though it certainly is different from what we have here ! I think SWFF is still new enough in printed word that the zines haven’t become too repetitive, although I think there is definitely a danger of this happening in the future. If I digress to the whole George Resign stuff, and I hate to do so, it seems to me that the magazine format would have been much better for him, having the ‘writer driven’ nature that Tim alludes to. The glossies are great places for established, experienced fishermen to convey information that the reader can take or leave. Which of course means the ngs are much more fun !                                                 jc

Response:

Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

hmmmmmm…. 8^) TimW

Response:

Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

It’s like the researcher that does a lifes work and it ends up in a University filing cabinet…then some beer swillin’ jet-setter with a word processor comes along and hacks out an article in an afternoon (you get a mention in the biblio) and the next thing you know he’s doing book signings at the fern bar. We still love you John. TimW

Response:

For those that haven’t seen it, the most recent issue of Fly Rod & Reel contains a seven page article on Flyfishing and the Internet. I did a brief scan of the article and it primarily talks about various web sites and includes a pretty extensive list of sites and describes some of the bigger sites such as Virtual Fly Shop, and several others. There is also a short section on "mailing lists and non-profit sites" (hint to commercial advertisers in r.o.f.f.) which includes a couple of short references to this newsgroup.  Here’s how they described us… "Sometimes outrageous and always interesting, the newsgroup is worth a regular stop.  The last time I checked there were threads on the influx of newcomers to Montan (don’t leave your California-plated car alone at night), on women fly fishers and on the work of FR&R conservation editor Ted Williams [ does anyone remember this last thread? - john].  There was also a considerable section written have thread with cow magnet haiku? Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

Response:

Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW

The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Doug

Response:

Question:

Hello, I have read various suggestions about using Albolene, a cosmetic product, and Scotchguard to waterproof dry flies.  My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  After several hours on a stream or river, and alternating between nymphs and dries, I find that my floating line becomes a sinking tip, hence I have to work to fish the evening hatches. I use an Ultra 3 #6 floating line.  Does anyone have any experience with these two ideas?  Thanks, G.

Response:

My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  

Neither is likely to work.  To get any chemical supposed beneficial (because of low density or waterproof-ness) into the coating of a fly line, you would need to use a solvent.  If you found a solvent you could use (e.g. that operated on fly line plastic at room temperatures) it might indeed transport beneficial chemicals into the plastic — but you could not then remove the solvent, so there would be a high risk it would either turn the line sticky (non-shooting) or continue to dissolve, i.e. releasing other plastic chemicals into water. In manufacturing, liquid components of plastic fly line coating are not merely dripped onto the core.  They are also "cooked" at controlled temperatures and pressures, so as to make the plastic, or at least its outer skin, as inert as possible.  The home tinkerer can easily alter this outer skin with solvents — but is not likely also to be able to render the outer skin inert and suitable for fishing for weeks or months. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

Response:

writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, I have read various suggestions about using Albolene, a cosmetic product, and Scotchguard to waterproof dry flies.  My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  After several hours on a stream or river, and alternating between nymphs and dries, I find that my floating line becomes a sinking tip, hence I have to work to fish the evening hatches. I use an Ultra 3 #6 floating line.  Does anyone have any experience with these two ideas?  Thanks, G.

First off, a dry fly and a fly line are two diferent things! Do not wse the mentioned dressing materials on a fly line you want to use anymore, unless you have checked them out on a piece you have cut off the line. second, if you properly sealed the end of your fly line it will remain a floating line. If you did’nt seal it, cut off the end and seal the cut end with flexament(or a simalar product) then put on a loop attachment and you will find that your line will not soak up water by way of the cut end. Bryant

Response:

Question:

I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

Response:

I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

Head to this url: http://altavista.digital.com/ and do a search using the following keywords: +flyfish +striper And you’ll get at least 128 hits. Plenty of stuff to read/learn…. Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <        "Charter Member of Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<

Response: