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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture? You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?  When there’s water flowing, the lower Poudre has been very good.  Lots of midges out with the fish feeding all day. The trout in the canyon although catchable are icecubes already. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?

Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list! — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list!

   Yup, I wasn’t fooled for a second. I wonder if Sue’s a very good fly fisher?

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?

   Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?    Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

ME too!!!! When I reread it after posting, I knew it didn’t sound right. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Willi

  Careful, Willi.  I had the pleasure of spending last Friday evening with Charlie & Pat for a visit and supper (and a fine cigar).  The next day, Charlie took me to one of his secret fishing holes.  I caught giant bluegill, crappie, a largemouth and a couple of different species of trout.  All on streamers.  What a beautiful day.  Must have caught 20 fish (to Charlie’s 40?).  But, my shoulder may never be the same.  Put a "hitch" in it setting the hook so many times.  I tried an ice pack but the only thing that seems to relieve the hurt is some ‘ol Mil. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I believe that extinction is good in some cases of animal life.  The "Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorist" comes to mind.  I think I will dream of "smoking holes" in Afghanistan tonight.

Bear in mind, David, that the Taliban’s conquered victims are trapped in Afghanistan and imprisoned by the civil war and terrorism in their own villages.  Take care not to paint all Arabs or Muslims with the same brush. Most of them are decent people and are undoubtedly horrified by what’s taken place today.  This evil act flies in the face of Islam’s tenets. My great fear right now is that Arab Americans will be victimized as Japanese Americans were during World War II. Sandy

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. My great fear right now is that Arab Americans will be victimized as Japanese Americans were during World War II. Sandy

A legitimate concern but the analogy is wrong. No offense taken. john

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My great fear right now is that Arab Americans will be victimized as Japanese Americans were during World War II. Sandy A legitimate concern but the analogy is wrong. No offense taken. john

In what way, John?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly what the fuck are you saying? Dave Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John I have no right or mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else here in the U.K. but I am sure that many of us feel for our American cousins at this time.  Remember, we have felt the bombs, the killing and maiming many times in these islands. Even to those of you who have supported our terrorists – God bless you. Jeff

It would appear, David, that the words "…many of us feel for our American cousins at this time.", are an expression of sympathy.  "Remember, we have felt the bombs, the killing and maiming many times in these islands.", suggests a basis beyond a shared humanity for that sympathy.  "Even to those of you who have supported our terrorists – God bless you.", is, presumably, a reminder that Jeff (along with many others) feels his country is also a victim of terrorists (the Provisional IRA, I assume).  He is also reminding us that many in the U.S. support the activities of that group. The situation in northern ireland is complex enough that there is a great deal of controversy over whether the IRA should be viewed as terrorists or freedom fighters.  I won’t presume to pretend that I can offer a valuable opinion on this matter, but it occurs to me that under the circumstances even our resident idologue could take the stick out of his ass long enough to sit down and reflect. Wolfgang and god bless even you, i guess

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Your comments are inflammatory, and in extremely poor taste…..

Personally, I find them to be neither.  Beyond that, I can’t disagree with anything else you say in your post, which I have snipped to conserve bandwidth. And thank you. Wolfgang

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I believe that extinction is good in some cases of animal life.  The "Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorist" comes to mind.  I think I will dream of "smoking holes" in Afghanistan tonight. Big Chief

It’s too soon to jump to that conclusion. If it turns out, in the fullness of time, that Bin Laden is behind this, then (in the words of a State Dept. official) don’t plan your next vacation in Afghanistan. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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My thoughts are with the US today. Have strength through your grief and courage and honor in your justice. Clark

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I believe that extinction is good in some cases of animal life.  The "Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorist" comes to mind.  I think I will dream of "smoking holes" in Afghanistan tonight. Big Chief – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

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I think of the lyrics of Bob Dylan. A hard rain’s a’gonna fall. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

Just spoke to the Pirate at Lakewood – the clave continues.  To do otherwise would be to let the bastards win.  We’re leaving tomorrow morning for Lakewood at 4 am. God bless America Peter

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 I have no right or mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else here in the U.K. but I am sure that many of us feel for our American cousins at this time.  Remember, we have felt the bombs, the killing and maiming many times in these islands. Even to those of you who have supported our terrorists – God bless you. Jeff

Your comments are inflammatory, and in extremely poor taste. It is to be hoped that the animals responsible for this outrage against humanity will be rooted out and destroyed. The sooner the better.  This is purely a matter of self defence. They could strike anywhere. This must be done with care and precision, and as much effort as it takes to achieve.  Ill-considered reactions, are best avoided. Human beings who perpetrate such acts, have relinquished their right to be considered even human, or be treated as such.. A tragedy of this magnitude requires the solidarity of decent people with the victims, as indeed any tragedy does. It is a terrifying lesson to everybody what fanatics may achieve, and where hate and fanaticism leads. The loss of one single life to these animals is a matter of concern to every living person.  Cold blooded and calculated mass murder on this scale is a new dimension of terror. This is not simply a strike against America, but against civilisation. America requires our support, not condemnation, or snide remarks, at this time. MC

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Early reports of AAA and ground explosions in Afganistan. Dave

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Exactly what the fuck are you saying?

I believe he refers to US (popular) support for the Provisional IRA. — Gary (Email address is munged with x’s)

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Exactly what the fuck are you saying? Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John I have no right or mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else here in the U.K. but I am sure that many of us feel for our American cousins at this time.  Remember, we have felt the bombs, the killing and maiming many times in these islands. Even to those of you who have supported our terrorists – God bless you. Jeff

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

 I have no right or mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else here in the U.K. but I am sure that many of us feel for our American cousins at this time.  Remember, we have felt the bombs, the killing and maiming many times in these islands. Even to those of you who have supported our terrorists – God bless you. Jeff

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Welcome to the 21st Century.  ;-(      - Ken

Driving to Logan this morning I cursed the heavy traffic. Took every back road I knew and in the end gave up and got on the Pike. I realized that after 2hrs for trying to make the 40 mile trip that I was not going to make my flight to NYC. I cursed the world, the overpopulation, lack of public transport, Fastlane, wasting gasoline and, oh, who knows what else. I rebooked myself on the 9.30am Delta shuttle to NYC , which was cancelled about 9:05am with an ominous announcement. I had 3 meetings in and around the WTC. How the minor gripes and annoyances distort our perspective. Superimposed, as it was for me, against what happened, that flight 11 passed overhead as I drove to the airport, that I drove and walked the same path of terrorists and victims alike, I am thankful to God, or Bog, or I Ching or luck to be alive. My prayers and thoughts to the undoubted thousands who are dead. — Gary (Email address is munged with x’s)

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Thank you Sandy.  Any support is appreciated.  Give us Americans time.  We will deal with it. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

Astonishing news. Do the lunatic extremists who did this really expect sympathy? I add my best wishes to the USA, a great country which will surely bounce back. Chris

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond ..Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

I second that  and I hope I never see anything like it again. My family and I send our heartfelt sympathies to everybody who has lost friends or relations. My usual sig. just doesn’t seem appropriate for this post. Sandy (in Scotland)

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare.   It is.

Welcome to the 21st Century.  ;-(      - Ken — "Mere human beings can’t afford to be fanatical about anything. Not even  about justice or loyalty. The fanatic for justice ends by murdering a  million helpless people to clear a space for his law-courts. If we are to  survive on this planet, there must be compromises."         – Storm Jameson

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I say that we take out any group stupid enough to take credit for it…. Dustin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John No one anywhere in the world escapes the horrible effects of terrorism. This is especially sickening — I’m watching the news right now. This, clearly, is an act of war, as the Pentagon has been hit, and many more will become involved before it’s over. Thanks for your thoughtful post, John. I’ll add my prayers for the victims, their friends and families, and emergency workers. Sandy

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare.

  It is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

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yea….amazing what some folks will do to bring attention to their "causes".. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

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Astounding pictures on the TV of the twin towers, to any of the fishing fraternity caught up or affected comiserations from this side of the pond .Terrible it looks like warfare. The best of luck to the fire fighters . John

No one anywhere in the world escapes the horrible effects of terrorism. This is especially sickening — I’m watching the news right now. This, clearly, is an act of war, as the Pentagon has been hit, and many more will become involved before it’s over. Thanks for your thoughtful post, John. I’ll add my prayers for the victims, their friends and families, and emergency workers. Sandy

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any body know of some good fishing in north west colorado?

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Try fishing at Yampacola res., nice rainbows and good fly country.

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It’s more west-central, but the Black Canyon of the Gunnison River in Gunnison and Montrose counties is pretty nice. The fish are a little temperamental, though. Some days you can catch anything with an Adams and a mediocre presentation, and other days perfect presentation and a long and thin leader and perfect hatch matching will leave you skunked. The fishing is great. It’s the catching that’s sometimes a little iffy. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNu3zDpdiUzdLFqlpAQGlegf+L+2nnxmFnkfV8hwx9n2681hZcAvgSQn6 wDwh2ghZoQtGVvZHlYsONMMY0gOfNb52dgwd3uUi9ohZtyc0d9XIue3FHSa0vBa5 Sk4voCNo6BaPfMukXKUK9NiLaFjWZLF75rka/1pZqZnQqCm4ogPT5RJdJKiou+uv ONNOFeIuWLhayy44Ck9uziAlwtqJcWaoHdFdQQCY/Zwv5fBka+/MRhNchKTx+8T4 0Bh80zzGXFSYvBQPTww9eivH0PmecZhAwdhAT0EzvcDYry2cLynZgBPdpbLOr00x IATrJ1eBVpU9awukFCu4nFIcHXkrznq37t65RmbjE1WZkiU7p4+LIQ== =ifOk —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I can try to get used to what she likes, but if I hear that ‘From This Moment’ song one more time I’m-a gonna go postal."                            "I love Topeka," by T.J.J. Williams

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If I found myself in northwest Colorado I extend my travels a bit further to northeast Utah…The Green Rive & Flaming Gorge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any body know of some good fishing in north west colorado?

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If I found myself in northwest Colorado I extend my travels a bit further to northeast Utah…The Green Rive & Flaming Gorge.

Good advice if you want one of the crowded "hot spots."  NW Colorado is a big area.  If you’re going to the Grand Junction area, Grand Mesa is a beautiful area with lots of streams and natural lakes. Willi

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Look around Red River Gorge area also.  It is south of Morehead an hour or so. Some of the streams are stocked around that area.  As the previous message said, check with F & W.  The local biologist would be the one to talk to. Kenny

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

I live in Tn but I know there’s a tailwater on Herrington Lake, also Cumberland river down south. Then there’s a few trout streams around Morehead on higway 64. Try Kentucky Dept of Wildlife or equivalent, Try on Alta vista or Yahoo. That should give you the adress. Hans

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I am looking to speak with or get information from anyone I can about camping in or near the poudre canyon and river.  I have about 10 or so friends and coworkers here in Denver that I am trying to plan a little fly fishing and camping excursion out there.  Would like to know of any places that we might be able to setup 5 tents and not be to crowded. Have been up there a couple of times just fly fishing, but not real familiar with any camping areas.  Any information you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated. If it would not be to much trouble could you CC me any posts you have. sincerely, Dane DeValcourt

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Would like to know of any places that we might be able to setup 5 tents and not be to crowded.

Dane, there are several groomed National Forest campsites along Rt 14 right beside the river. All of them are nice. I’d be hard pressed to pick one for your group. Maybe you should just take a ride up there, scout them out, and pick the one that suits you best. Dennis Smith Loveland, CO

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I took up fly fishing a couple of years ago. However, all of my fishing to date has been with friends out of state (Maine, Pennsylvania, upstate New York). I live in Southern New Jersey and would like to find some decent fishing closer to home. I live in Tabernacle. Nearby towns – Medford, Mt. Laurel, Cherry Hill. Can anyone help? Many Thanks!

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Well, it’s been a long time since I lived in So Jersey, But I remember catching some shad (during the run) SE of Millville a few miles.  Can’t remember the river but it was near a sand plant…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took up fly fishing a couple of years ago. However, all of my fishing to date has been with friends out of state (Maine, Pennsylvania, upstate New York). I live in Southern New Jersey and would like to find some decent fishing closer to home. I live in Tabernacle. Nearby towns – Medford, Mt. Laurel, Cherry Hill. Can anyone help? Many Thanks!

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I took up fly fishing a couple of years ago. However, all of my fishing to date has been with friends out of state (Maine, Pennsylvania, upstate New York). I live in Southern New Jersey and would like to find some decent fishing closer to home. I live in Tabernacle. Nearby towns – Medford, Mt. Laurel, Cherry Hill. Can anyone help? Many Thanks!

Your best bet is head to the salt water.  Pick up Lou Tabory’s "Inshore Fly Fishing", then drive over to LBI.  If it’s trout you’re after, you’ll need to head north.  Closest public water is the South Branch of the Raritan at the Ken Lockwood Gorge from High Bridge towards Califon. You might want to stop at Oliver’s Orvis in Clinton and ask Kevin what’s catching fish and where.  He can direct you to other northern rivers. Musconet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took up fly fishing a couple of years ago. However, all of my fishing to date has been with friends out of state (Maine, Pennsylvania, upstate New York). I live in Southern New Jersey and would like to find some decent fishing closer to home. I live in Tabernacle. Nearby towns – Medford, Mt. Laurel, Cherry Hill. Can anyone help? Many Thanks! Your best bet is head to the salt water.  Pick up Lou Tabory’s "Inshore Fly Fishing", then drive over to LBI.  If it’s trout you’re after, you’ll need to head north.  Closest public water is the South Branch of the Raritan at the Ken Lockwood Gorge from High Bridge towards Califon. You might want to stop at Oliver’s Orvis in Clinton and ask Kevin what’s catching fish and where.  He can direct you to other northern rivers. Musconet

What about the Musconetcong? –Rich

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Hi, I’m fairly new to the Charlotte, NC area and would like to hear from anyone who has fished any area streams/rivers. I have looked on several FF pages for locations, but I would like to hear from someone with first-hand experience. I won’t mind a bit of a drive(it looks like I have no choice anyway!). Thanks in advance.

Matt,    You can take US77 north to Elkin on the tale Hwy 21 to Stone Mountain State park "about 90 min.". There they have a delayed harvest stream that is well stocked. They also have a stream called Bullhead that you can pay $4 to fish a section. Only one person can fish a section. It is catch and release with barbless hooks only. The fish in Bullhead are hard to catch but the are rather large. Another 15 miles North is the New River. It has Musky, Smallmouth and Rock "Redeye" Bass. It offers several places where you can wade however you may want to wait until it get’s warmer unless you are going after Musky. The New River runs in both NC and VA but NC has an agreement with VA where NC license are valid in parts of VA.    I hope this helps. Good Fishing, Shawn

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Hi, I’m fairly new to the Charlotte, NC area and would like to hear from anyone who has fished any area streams/rivers. I have looked on several FF pages for locations, but I would like to hear from someone with first-hand experience. I won’t mind a bit of a drive(it looks like I have no choice anyway!). Thanks in advance.

This is a test, but i have to say that the best fishing is in the north of Sweden

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Hi, I’m fairly new to the Charlotte, NC area and would like to hear from anyone who has fished any area streams/rivers. I have looked on several FF pages for locations, but I would like to hear from someone with first-hand experience.   I won’t mind a bit of a drive(it looks like I have no choice anyway!). Thanks in advance.

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Hi, I’m fairly new to the Charlotte, NC area and would like to hear from anyone who has fished any area streams/rivers. I have looked on several FF pages for locations, but I would like to hear from someone with first-hand experience.   I won’t mind a bit of a drive(it looks like I have no choice anyway!). Thanks in advance.

Matt:         Depending upon the type of fishing you want to do, you have a boatload of choices!  If you are into warm water fishing for largemouth bass and various panfish species, Lake Wylie south of Charlotte, and Lake Norman (600 miles of shoreline for the entire impoundment) north of town are excellent choices, within 30 minute drive.  For smallmouth, I am unaware of any rivers nearby; you may have to drive north, up here to Virginia.  Other rivers for warm water species include the Catawba (down towards Gastonia), and various tributaries.  The Blue Ridge Parkway/Appalachian mountains are only about a 90 minute drive from town, and offer a lot of small streams, many carrying stocked or native/gone wild trout.  One place I went while living in NC was Julian Price Park, right on the Parkway.  Boone Fork flows through, and has some good holes down the Boone Fork Trail, about 1 mile from the picnic area.  Further afield, the area around Asheville (2-3 hour drive) and Cullowhee/Cherokee reservation has a number of great trout waters.  Much more information is available in a small book called "Flyfishing in the Southern Appalachia", which is available at Barnes and Noble bookstore (at lwast I have seen it there).            Insofar as quality of fishing, I have heard great things about Lake Norman bass.  Since it is a relatively recently flooded impoundment, the cover is superb, and you can nose around for years and not fish it all. The trout in the mountains are also great, but if you expect monsters, do not be disappointed.  This is definitely small stream fishing.  Your roll cast will get quite a workout. Hope some of this is helpful. Dan Johnson

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James, The world’s largest (sales volume) flyfishing store is in my hometown and the people there are incredibly helpful.  Give them a call between the hours of 9 and 6. Good luck.  The name of the store is Bob Marriott’s and the number is 714-525-1827.

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

Jim: I have a friend who is a bamboo rodmaker and he knows a lot of the historical info on a variety of rods.  If he can’t tell you anything he probably can point you to someone who can.  Call Steve Roche at (916) 258-2849. Good Luck!! Paul

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

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H&I made hundreds of thousands of rods. I think they were #2 behind Montague in number sold.   They also had a seemingly infinite number of grade and models. From exceedingly cheap to some pretty decent rods. I would need some info on what the incription on the rod said to start giving you a value. Due to current fashion the 9′ rods are worth a bit less than the shorter lengths. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rodbuilder

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all

Current prices for this well-known line of US rods on http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.html — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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James: All I can add to the other replies on this is that the rod certainly won’t have great monetary value, even if it turns out to be one of H-I’s better models.  I don’t recall ever seeing an H-I rod sell for more than about $250, and maybe not more than $150 for the nine-footers, which, as somebody else noted, were made in the largest numbers and are not much in demand these days.  On the other hand, I have a couple of better H-Is that cast decently, so you should try it out and perhaps find you have one of the high-end models.  Good luck. George Black

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe?

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe?

I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

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ke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: dulcimer.ee.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NUPop-Charset: English Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe? I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

The brand of velcro-ties I have is Pro-Line; they have held up for two seasons, and are great to have with cold, gloved hands. Mine are one size larger than my normal shoe size for the neoprenes. I bought mine at a store in Kalamazoo, but I have seen them in Bass Pro and other catalogs. Jim Johnson Michigan State University

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe? I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

Hook and Hackle’s number is 1-800-552-8342.  The shoes in question are made by Pro-Line and cost $32.25.  I bought Pro-Line’s 44mm neoprene stocking-foot waders from H&H for $65 and have been reasonably satisfied with the product. Hook and Hackle respond efficiently and have good prices. Peter Just

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies, and I’d like others’ input on how to do it well. Is it just as simple as slide the bead on and tie the fly as usual, but tying off behind the bead instead of at the eye? Anyone have any special tips? I’ve seen some bead-head mayfly nymphs where there’s a wing-case that stretches over the top of the bead, with divided hackle in front of it. I’m not sure how you would do that. Seems like it would be pretty awkward to tie. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dave Guinee

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: I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… : Any suggestions would be appreciated. — One tip I’ve had that really simplifies things is to slide the bead up against the hook eye and then use a few figure-8 loops over the bead to secure it.  I also paint the thread with head cement, although this may be overkill.  If you use tan thread on a brass bead (e.g. hare’s ear) you can hardly see the thread at all.  Even if you use a contrasting thread color (e.g. black), I’m not sure the fish know or care!  You might even be able to construct a "wing case" with a bit more wrapping, and even insert some hackle or dubbing for effect. The major advantage to securing the bead with a figure-8 is that: 1) it’s quick and simple, and 2) you don’t build up thread behind the bead, which later gets in the way of finishing off the fly. I’ve also tried some of the "fancier" ties, but they don’t seem to produce any better than good, quick, simple, fuzzy ones.  They were, however, an interesting exercise in fly tying. Hope this helps. Frank Gordon Atlanta, GA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… : Any suggestions would be appreciated. — One tip I’ve had that really simplifies things is to slide the bead up against the hook eye and then use a few figure-8 loops over the bead to secure it.  I also paint the thread with head cement, although this may be overkill.  If you use tan thread on a brass bead (e.g. hare’s ear) you can hardly see the thread at all.  Even if you use a contrasting thread color (e.g. black), I’m not sure the fish know or care!  You might even be able to construct a "wing case" with a bit more wrapping, and even insert some hackle or dubbing for effect. The major advantage to securing the bead with a figure-8 is that: 1) it’s quick and simple, and 2) you don’t build up thread behind the bead, which later gets in the way of finishing off the fly. I’ve also tried some of the "fancier" ties, but they don’t seem to produce any better than good, quick, simple, fuzzy ones.  They were, however, an interesting exercise in fly tying.

I’d also be interested in ideas.  I’ve tied some weighted nymphs and found that I could put on the bead first, then wrap the lead until right up against the bead and that really helped keep the bead in place.  I’ve never seen a commercial fly with thread over the bead and really would not trust that much since any abrasion could break the thread and the bead would be loose to mess up the rest of the fly. — | Dartmouth College                                  Home:  603-448-5677 | | 6211 Sudikoff Laboratory, Rm 108                                       | | Hanover, NH  03755                                                     |

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… Any suggestions would be appreciated.

When I tie a bead-head I first size the bead so that it will slip over the barb but not over the eye of the hook.  Then I thread my string through the bead, thread the bead on the hook and clamp it in the vise.  Now I begin by leaving the bead at the back of the hook. I start my wrap (with tacky head cement) by the eye of the hook and build out the diameter until the bead slips forward and has a snug fit.  Then I apply some head cement to the thread and slip the bead forward while pulling the loop out from in front of the bead.  After that I wrap behind the bead to secure it and finish the fly with the string as normal. Hope it helps, Andy —   Research Electrical Engineer                US Mail : CAD-Research   University of Iowa                                    228 ERF   Phone : (319) 335-5723                                Iowa City, Iowa 52242

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Charles, Re: Figure 8’s over the bead. In theory, I think you’re right, abrasion might cut the thread and perhaps loosen the bead.  In practice, I haven’t had this happen yet.  I usually lose the fly to snags well before the thread (I use waxed monocord, not 6-0 dry fly thread) shows any sign of wear.  Even after 10-15 fish caught, the thread still seems OK.  The reason I think you don’t see commercial ties with figure-8’s is that it is not as pretty/perfect for retail sale as a shiny "naked" bead. — Frank Gordon Atlanta, GA

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: I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies, and I’d like others’ input on : how to do it well. Is it just as simple as slide the bead on and tie the : fly as usual, but tying off behind the bead instead of at the eye? Anyone : have any special tips? A drop of super glue can work wonders. I usually just slide the bead over the hook barb and place a drop of super glue at the eye then place the bead at the eye and wait a few seconds. After that, I start my thread and tie as I would normally. It seems to work pretty well and only takes a few seconds to secure the bead. I’ll also wrap a collar behind the bead with thread, just enough to hold the bead in case the glue ever fails. — Earl ‘Mac’ McReynolds              Fly Fishing Glossary: Citrus Heights, CA                 Drag— Gear worn by transvestite

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McReynolds) writes: Perhaps a dumb question, but where do I buy the beads.  Do they come in different sizes?  How do I know what size bead to use for each hook size?

Most good flyfishing shops are now carrying them.  Otherwise, try a arts and crafts shop.  They do come in several sizes with different size center holes.  You’ll find that the larger sizes will not go around the bend in the hook and that crimping the barb on your hooks is required to get the bead up to the eye.  As far as getting them to stay in place, here’s what I do: 1.  crimp the barb and put the bead on the hook, then put the hook in the     vice. 2.  Tie on the thread and build up a few wraps just behind the eye, tie     it off and clip the thread.  Add a bit of cement. 3.  Push the bead up to the wraps. 4.  Tie on the thread behind the bead and build up a small amount before     wrapping the thread to your starting point.   5.  When finishing the fly I tie off behind the bead. Try gold and copper beads.  I’ve seen quite a few wooly bugger patterns that also use small red plastic beads as well. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… Any suggestions would be appreciated. The primary bead head that I tie is also one of the simplest flies that I tie.  It proves to be the one I start with on most of the water that I fish.  I use a Tiemco 2487, a wide gap scud hook, in a size 14.  It’s a short shank hook, that except for the wide gap, could pass for a 16.  The problem with bead heads is getting them around the bend of the hook, and you’ll find that a 2487 solves the problem.  The best beads that I’ve found are "cyclops" that I think I got from Dan Bailey’s.  They have a small hole on the front side to snug up to the eye, and a large hole on the backside to help you get them around the bend. I use brass, in a medium size.  

                                                1.  Flatten the barb and slide the bead over the point and around the                                                                                                                                                         bend, smaller hole forward.                                                 2.  Put the hook in the vise, and attach thread.                                                 3.  Spin a dubbing loop of natural color Hare’s ear and wind to the bend and back to the bead.                                                   4.  Tie off behind the bead.  I wrap the dubbing up into the larges hole and whip with a materelli finisher. That’s it, nothing fancy.  But as a caddis imitation, It does great.  I’ve playued with different colors, or putting some wood duck, or ostrich, or soft hackle behind the bead.  But the above works well for me, and takes about 2 minutes to tie.  You’ll lose the fly on the rocks before it falls apart. On the South Platte last June I finnally switched to a size 20 dry because the bead head was taking fish on every other cast and just was too easy! Hope that your dries float high, and your nymphs drift low!. Preston Larimer  

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with Bead-heads.  I prefer to tie very simple patterns.  Some squirrel fur, hare’s mask, or P-Tail wrapped around the shank, and perhaps a bit of ribbing.  No legs, wingcase or anything else. Deadly, and simple!

You call _that_ simple? My favorite is even easier! I use glass ’seed beads’ to make the body. The whole fly is simply the metal bead head, followed by 5 or so of these glass beads, and just enough thread to keep them on the hook at the end. It gives a very nice, brightly colored, translucent, segmented body with _very_ little effort or expense! I get the beads at craft stores. They come in hundreds of colors, and a small box sells for about $2… enough to do hundreds of flies! Can it get any easier? <<grin — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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with Bead-heads.  I prefer to tie very simple patterns.  Some squirrel fur, hare’s mask, or P-Tail wrapped around the shank, and perhaps a bit of ribbing.  No legs, wingcase or anything else. Deadly, and simple! I tried buying beads from craft stores for much lower cost.  They are not metal and so do not weight the fly much at all.  I also just bought some nice ones from Don Baileys for 2-6 size hook that have a notch on one side that the hook eye fits into.  I like these alot.  I wonder if trout like to see the fly sink head first through the water w/ a beadhead? Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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writes: Thanks!  Encouraging report.

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 A little off the subject – my bead-head nymphs ride (swim?) upside down, point up that is, anyone else notice this? I usually tie a simple fuzzy type nymph sans wingcase so this is not a problem for me in fact it may be an advantage, fewer snags perhaps?  Any inquiring minds with scuba gear out there?  MT —             It’s not the bible that’s filled with contradictions,                  It’s our brains that are filled with them.                              J. Vernon McGee

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I tried buying beads from craft stores for much lower cost.  They are not metal and so do not weight the fly much at all.  I also just bought some nice ones from Don Baileys for 2-6 size hook that have a notch on one side that the hook eye fits into.  I like these alot.  I wonder if trout like to see the fly sink head first through the water w/ a beadhead? Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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McReynolds) writes:

Perhaps a dumb question, but where do I buy the beads.  Do they come in different sizes?  How do I know what size bead to use for each hook size?

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