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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)?

Chota Brookies are the lightest I have seen. — Charlie…

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Gary,   Get a pair of tennies, buy a felt re-sole kit, drive some aluminum nail through the felt, cut the nails off flush and cement it to the tennies with the nail heads against the shoe sole.  This isn’t the best foot protection, but provides economical, light weight, slip proof waders. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

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I like my "dan bailey lightweight wading shoes"  about $45, really light and durable for me anyway.  They smash really flat to fit in a backpack also. Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks. bruce h Before you buy.

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… Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks.

They look that way to me too, Bruce. I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack. I got a good look at Steve’s Patagonia boots in North Carolina and while I have no first hand (foot) experience with them, I think they’ll be my next purchase in wading boots. — Ken Fortenberry

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. They are intended primarily for paddlers, but they will do in a pinch as lightweight, warm-water wading shoes. See http://www.fiveten.net/Product/water.html (no endorsement, liminable or subliminable, is intended or implied)

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  … In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. …

5.10 rubber soles may be OK for some wading, but if you’re wading on rocks you’ll want felt soles. — Ken Fortenberry

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I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack.

I glued felt to the bottoms of an old pair of Teva’s and they work pretty well.   Willi

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Patagonia makes the best lightweight wading boots I know of. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Patagonias for me! I bought a pair last Fall and have never regretted it. They are very well built and lightweight to boot.

I wore out my pair last year, sent them back for new felt soles, and they sent me a brand new pair of boots. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

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My kid brother’s worn-out size 14 basketball shoes. Glue on felt soles. Use ‘em as camp shoes too, if you don’t mind wet feet. — "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum" — Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who sells the lightest wading shoes

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Patagonias for me! I bought a pair last Fall and have never regretted it. They are very well built and lightweight to boot. Drifter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks.

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I have a pair of hodgeman bantam weights that are extremely light "dry"…some of the seams blew out after about 11 months use,(1 year warranty), just got a new pair on warranty. I agree with Ken, what works best for me is to hike them in. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks. They look that way to me too, Bruce. I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack. I got a good look at Steve’s Patagonia boots in North Carolina and while I have no first hand (foot) experience with them, I think they’ll be my next purchase in wading boots. — Ken Fortenberry

Before you buy.

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Orvis has a tennis shoe type wading shoe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them. Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

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In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. They are intended primarily for paddlers, but they will do in a pinch as lightweight, warm-water wading shoes. See http://www.fiveten.net/Product/water.html (no endorsement, liminable or subliminable, is intended or implied)

I have a pair of the 5/10 shoes, with aqua-stealth soles.  They are sooooo good that I got my wife a pair.  They were on sale at REI for $50 (half off). For the first time, I was able to wade the E Walker with no slipping at all (bowling balls covered with snot). Bought ‘em a size big so they fit over my wader booties.   Good luck. Dick Weinkle

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I have a pair of the 5/10 shoes, with aqua-stealth soles.  They are sooooo good that I got my wife a pair.  They were on sale at REI for $50 (half off).

Going completely OT:   Michael Jackson went to K-Mart because he heard boys pants were half off.

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NEED HELP WITH POWERED PARACHUTES January 22,1997 Hi Folks,         My wife and I need all the help we can get–ideas?-advise-tips, etc. We are planning an environmental expedition into some uncharted jungles of Central America.  After four expeditions over the last nine years of trying to reach this particular area on foot we are seriously considering the use of back pack powered parachutes.         First, perhaps a little of our background would be helpful.  We are forty and fiftyish and in reasonable shape. We are both professionals-my wife is an Arthur and amateur photographer and one the best bushpersons I have ever met. She grew up on a farm where her father taught her hunting, fishing, and trapping. I am not big into guns but I’ve seen her shoot a six inch pattern at thirty yards (with a 44 magnum revolver!)  I have degrees in education, English, and Industrial Technology.  I am a licensed pilot (SEL) and have flown a paraplane trike. Spelunking is a hobby and I worked as a commercial diver a few years back(definitely a youngmans job).  I’ve worked in Mexico, the Caribbean, and we lived full time in Central America for a couple of years recently. (Stayed as long as the money and the luck held out).  We are back here in the States, in suburbia, working our tails off try to save or raise the money to get back South of the border and back to our work.  We have a non-profit tax exempt scientific and educational corporation and our Federal   tax exempt status for those that donate to the cause(we can furnish the 501 forms for tax purposes). Staying as independent as possible we have financed most of our expeditions out of our own pockets. So, who are we and what do we do?  Even though the term is about a hundred years out of date, perhaps the US Ambassador was the closest when he introduced at a banquet as Explorers.  Believe it or not there are still a few places left on this Earth that are still uncharted and unexplored.           Now a little about our work.  The area that we have tried (unsuccessfully) to reach overland has only been mapped from the air and some of those photographs were taken by Charles Lindberg in the thirties! So the Topo maps that do exist are notoriously wrong.  While cutting our way into this area we have in the past taken GPS readings, and collected samples of unusual plant life. (There is one vine that when boiled tastes just like coffee and another that if beaten into a pulp and put into relatively still waters will stun the fish enough to bring them to the surface and then when you gotten what you need you pull the vine out and stir the waters and the other fish revive).  Any archaeological ruins that we come across we get coordinates (GPS) sometimes do preliminary surveys and report to the authorities when we come out.  We don’t dig or loot.  Our next expedition is planned for the dry season in 1998 (February through April).  We will establish a base camp accessible by road and fly out of it.  We are currently working on a drag net that can be deployed and opened in the air and then retrieved while still in the air.  We will use this for the collection of insects above the canopy and up the river and stream valleys where we can.  If the back pack powered chutes work as I hope they will we should be able to land and take off from sand bars, clearings etc.  I’ve flown the valleys in a Cessna and am well aware of the variable winds, especially ridge drafts.  After almost being inverted twice I got back to altitude (prayerfully at that).  However, mornings and evenings are often calm-so if you don’t get stupid you might get away with it.         Now for the real reason for this E-mail.  Many questions??  We are considering building our first unit to train on here in the States as we don’t have the finances for a new or used unit at this time.  Has anyone had any experience with a company called "Easy Up".  They offer plans and recommend sources for new and used equipment.  I have also heard that there were tandem units on the market.  Not that we would fly tandem, but it would add a great measure of safety if a parachute, engine, or pilot were disabled.  What about climbing radius after take off (I’m sure it varies with thrust and chute design). My weight should be at about two hundred and my wives about a hundred and thirty.         What about Corporate sponsorship.  Any ideas on fundraising? There will obviously be a video produced.  Anyone know of anyone that has a unit stored that they would like to take a tax write-off on (or am I dreaming). Or a Patron or person of means who would fund the project-They might get a new bug or plant species named after them-Yeah, I know doesn’t seem like much incentive does it.  We will consider taking a few folks with us, but at this point it would have to be on a voluntary basis with them picking up their own expenses.  Experience and attitude would also be a very important considerations.   Well, thanks for taking the time to read this.  If you can’t help please pass it along to someone who may have suggestions or ideas. Thanks, John

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Trevor, YOu could always try the news group rec.aviation.powerchutes. R. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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I suggest you to read Big Air ’s Accident Reports. There are a few Paramotor accident reports which can be benefitial to you. Regards, Kinsley Wong Big Air Paragliding http://www.web-partners.com/paragliding

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Hi Klaus, here is an other german paramotor pilot. Name here is Oscar and I am located near the city of Ulm. I fly a Fresh Breeze paramotor with Paratech wing…. Any other paramotor pilots from Germany here ??? Best regards, Oscar

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if you come to scotland try phil.

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if you come to scotland try phil.

I like that "Coudbusters" !

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Here’s another: http://www.poweredparaglider.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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zum Thema "Re: paramotor": anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I flied more than one hundred times powered PG.  When you tried to fly by Powered PG, you should never use high performance PG because it is difficult to take off.  Additionally, the high performance PG is easy to collapse, sometimes recovery of collapsed PG is difficult in the case of powered PG.

I want to use my old parachute for flying with paramotor. I gave it back   to the company for changing to stronger ropes. For normal fly I want to buy a new modern high performance PG. I think that your have much experience in PG.  If not, you should learn how to control PG by PG flyer.  Powered PG is very intresting, but it is danger to fly without basic experience and knowledge about PG.  In Japan, there is one fatal accident in powered PG.  He was a ultralight flyer. Anyway, best way to safety flying is to learn how to control PG by PG (or Powered PG) flyer.

I spent lots of hours flying conventional PG, some hours Ultralight and in   past lots of hours soaring. But it is always a new experience to start flying in spring mfg KMW —   ,–.__,-.__,—-.__,-.__,–.  // Klaus Michael Weinreich

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Try this: http://hometown.aol.com/skybrake/brakeindex.html

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good innit? he’s a very clever man.

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anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I have bought one, second hand, but I still have no experience at all with   flying this funny thing, although I have licence for Ultralight etc. mfg KMW

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Try     rec.aviation.powerchutes R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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<snip That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual.

  I would definitely agree with this comment! I know my son cherishes his rod I made for him! Especially if he gets to help you make it. Gary

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Another way to go is to find a suitable spinning rod blank and make it into a fly rod. I did this for my son when he was about 6. We went down to Shoff’s Tackle (http://www.shofftackle.com/) and found a 6′ 2 piece blank that seemed to have a nice light action. Once I made the rod up it took a 5wt and cast like a dream.

Anyone else try this, I would be interested in hearing your results. Tim Apple

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I have to agree with this.  I started my 9 year old son this year, thinking that a 7′6" rod would be better since he is smaller.  We tried several rods, and he had an easier time with an 8′6" rod. The extra length helps him keep the line off the ground and helps to generate a little more line speed. I have built three rods on the PacBay blanks from H&H, 9′ 3wt, 7′9" 3wt, and 9′ 7wt.  The 9′ 3wt is REALLY nice.  The 7′9" rod could stand a 4wt line easily.  I haven’t had enough time with the 7wt to form much of an opinion yet, haven’t had it on water yet. The PacBay and H&H brand blanks are identical except for color. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know nothing about building rods. But as to going shorter and lighter because its a kid . . . I wouldn’t. The requirements of the stream and fish don’t change with the size of the fisher.  So, I’d go for an 8, 8.5, 4 to 6 weight, assuming a mix of bass, trout, occasional searun and silvers, plus that big old carp he will eventually staulk one summer. Id go for sturdy and full size. Besides, kids tend to look on stuff scaled for them as "kid stuff". "Real stuff" is adult sized. Dave

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I would advise against a 2 weight for a beginner. I have a 2 weight and I love it, I  use it more than all my other rods combined, but, as my brother puts it "takes forever to cast line out using light rods". Two weeks ago a guide described my brother to a fellow as "the guy that casts 50 ft with a 1 weight rod in THAT wind" (it was a very windy day in Paradise Valley). IMHO, a short 4 weight would be a much better choice for a young beginner. There are numerous very light, short 4 weight rods that ought to do the trick. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : have a 6′6" 2wt blank that with web discount sells for $36. I have no experience, but doesn’t everyone say that a kid shouldn’t be started on very light-weight rods, like a 2wt? Don’t know, I’ve heard conflicting opinions.  My gut feeling tells me that for a little kid, a short lightweight rod will be easier to handle. If you really want a light-weight rod, many people will second my on saying: just buy him the Cabela’s 3forks 3wt combo. Rod, reel, line, leader, no hassle, $49 or so. BTW, it’s a 7′6" rod. That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual. Thanks,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."    - Henry David Thoreau

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Ken I’ve casted a number of 6′ 6" rods and I’ve only ever liked one as they transmitted very little feel to the hand. Personally, I’d prefer a slower rod, but it doesn’t seem like anyone produces shorter rods with slow actions.  Anyone have a suggestion? Try a fibatube deluxe carbon fly rod (this company produces the

blanks for Hardys).As you may know an equivalent rod thru Hardy will cost you double. You can buy a completed rod in England FIBATUBE 7 ft 2pc for

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I just got back from the White river,fished nymphs,midges,and sow bugs, caught some fish.I fished an olive wooley bugger tied sparce size10 and caught MANY fish!

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april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

I have never fished the area in April, but the White can be a good river to wade depending on how much water is being released from the dam at Bull Shoals.Dale Fulton runs Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home. He would be a fantastic point of contact because he is extremely knowledgable. His E-mail is like most other rivers in that sometimes dry flies work and sometimes they don’t. I prefer to fish with soft hackles so that is what I use a lot. A local pattern known as the Red Ass has done real well for me.I always take some small olive woolly buggers as well. Some people use carcass flies as well due to the turbines. Hope this helps a bit and you have a great time Big Dale

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there? I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth.

Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

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Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.

There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description).

Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers?

If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers? If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t forget the Yuk Bugs…..the browns love em’ at night… Greg H.

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth. Big Dale

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My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs. With angler having daily opportunity of fish in the 8-10 lbs class, and good chances of a shot at larger fish during the week. The area also possesses a wonderful variety of angling opportunities. In one recent weeks, 20 different species of fish were caught, including Tarpon (up to 50 lbs), Permit (one angler recently landed 3 in a week to 40 lbs), Barracuda, Bonito, Shark and many different types of Jack and Snapper. Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet     http://www.gse.it/avalon  

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Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way  to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

— Spare me A.T. 1. Until the end of Communist Russia, the US had state dinners with its leaders as it fought the 3d World, underdeveloped "Commies." 2. One of the reasons I turned against our government during Vietnam was: here’s the enemy–Commies, heathens, Gooks–trying to kill me. So why is President Nixon having dinner with Chou-en-Lai, Mao?!the leaders supplying the VC/NVA. What BS! 3. Let’s see, Tiananmen Square, China, same leaders then as now. So we’re trading with that country. What is this country’s obsession with bringing down Castro when we support more ruthless leaders in the world. 4. Nelson Mandela supports(ed) Communism, we made him a hero during his visit to this country. Enough, this is a fly fishing NG.

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Sometimes I’m embarassed to be an american. As if the US doesn’t support far more oppressive regimes. Also, if you expand your notion of what oppression is, you might see that there is far more in the US. I once spoke to someone that lived under Franco who said that he felt far more free there. He didn’t get all sorts of capitalist goodies but had no fears for his safety, no matter where he went. We are all alone in the world in our view of Cuba. I agree completely that his dictatorship is wrong but can you really say that the Cuban voter is more impotent than the american voter?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

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Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet

(snip) http://www.gse.it/avalon Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

Then you don’t buy anything from China, right?  And is it just oppressive COMMUNIST dictators, or is it oppressive dictators in general?   Del Cecchi Rochester, MN

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fax 39-2-714447 or 39-2-76118214             Internet (snip) http://www.gse.it/avalon Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer Then you don’t buy anything from China, right?  And is it just oppressive COMMUNIST dictators, or is it oppressive dictators in general? Del Cecchi Rochester, MN

  Thanks Del I always liked people from Minnisota, must be the proximity to God’s country! While this is not really the forum to extend this thread. I was wondering where Mr. Spencer and his buddies Torricelli, Helms and Burton fish now that the pinkos have taken over Nicaragua? I suppose there is always Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico etc. Mark "commie" Brown Calgary, Alberta

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs. Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer

Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is? — To respond via EMAIL to a newsgroup post, remove -nospam from my address. – - – - – - This is your brain.  Postscript on brain your is This.

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JARDINES DE LA REINA – Cuba – provides some of the finest bonefishing in the world. There will be areas, such as Christmas Island, where you will find more fish, and others, such as Florida where you can find bigger fish- but nowhere are you likely to find larger number of big size fish- the norm there is 4-6 lbs.

Snip-snip negative replies removed.. Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is?

OK, so here’s one for ya’. I am one of the persons who actually TRIED to go fishing in Cuba. I sent a letter to the ministry of tourisim in Havana, and got back a nice letter. It was all in spanish, and I had to have it translated. The Cuban Government informed me that I would have to obtain a tourist visa from the Chechoslovakian Embassy in Washington, DC. I would then have to fly from Tampa to Montreal, Canada, where I could catch a flight to Havana. From there, things got worse. Hey, Cuba is a short distance from Florida. Go to Montreal? The headache and expense was enormous, when all was said and done. I canceled the trip. Now, I have little doubt that there is a State Department file somewhere about me asking about the fishing in Cuba. Guess I’ll just keep fishing Florida! Mike Lott Fish Florida Magazine http://www.fishflorida.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting information, but I have no desire to contribute in any way  to an oppressive communist dictatorship. A.T. Spencer — Spare me A.T. 1. Until the end of Communist Russia, the US had state dinners with its leaders as it fought the 3d World, underdeveloped "Commies." 2. One of the reasons I turned against our government during Vietnam was: here’s the enemy–Commies, heathens, Gooks–trying to kill me. So why is President Nixon having dinner with Chou-en-Lai, Mao?!the leaders supplying the VC/NVA. What BS! 3. Let’s see, Tiananmen Square, China, same leaders then as now. So we’re trading with that country. What is this country’s obsession with bringing down Castro when we support more ruthless leaders in the world. 4. Nelson Mandela supports(ed) Communism, we made him a hero during his visit to this country. Enough, this is a fly fishing NG.

The "oppressive" regimes the U.S. has supported is almost an endless list. Whatever reasons remain to isolate Cuba are not credible.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, puh-lease. I don’t like Castro, but his regime is no more oppressive than dozens of others the United States supports, such as the PRC or any of the ultra-right-wing dictatorships we’ve propped up in Central and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia over the last 50 years. We’ve had many opportunities to co-opt Castro over the years in positive economic and humanitarian ways but we haven’t done it. Instead, we go for the d.f. military or blockade or boycott methodology. Even today, our state department makes it difficult to go to Cuba while at the same time, just about anyone can go to the PRC. If that isn’t b.s., what is? You seem to have taken a place among the minority on this point. However, as is usually the case, we can ever be thankful that the decision by the majority not to succumb to the illogical demands of an un-knowing minority is obviously the correct one. BTW…To answer your last question I submit everything you said preceding it. Finally, since this is an inappropriate topic for this newsgroup this shall be my final post on it. A.T. Spencer

Actually, several recent opinion polls have shown that a majority of Americans *favors* restablishment of full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Even the Pope, who is as conservative as one can be, favors full normal relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Every other country on the planet has full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Cuba is an appropriate subject for a fishing newsgroup. The island has had a long history as a sportfishing mecca. Avid fishermen who have been there and would like to go back are interested. So are younger fishermen who have read fishing tales from Cuba or perhaps only Hemingway’s novella.

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(snip) Actually, several recent opinion polls have shown that a majority of Americans *favors* restablishment of full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Even the Pope, who is as conservative as one can be, favors full normal relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Every other country on the planet has full diplomatic relations with Cuba. Cuba is an appropriate subject for a fishing newsgroup. The island has had a long history as a sportfishing mecca. Avid fishermen who have been there and would like to go back are interested. So are younger fishermen who have read fishing tales from Cuba or perhaps only Hemingway’s novella.

  A nice posting Harry,

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Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli

Where in Montana will you be??

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September hatches include the blue-winged olive and the beginning of the October caddis hatch.  Hopper activity is still high then too.  Browns will be thinking about there up and coming spawning runs.  Missouri and lower Clark Fork are my favorites then. — Brian D. Nelson Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli Where in Montana will you be??

Well, as I was saying, I am planning a trip in the generic area of Montana, but I don’t know where. I have no preferred place, having fished there only once and in less-than-optimal conditions. -Vittorio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli Where in Montana will you be?? Well, as I was saying, I am planning a trip in the generic area of Montana, but I don’t know where. I have no preferred place, having fished there only once and in less-than-optimal conditions. -Vittorio

Big state ya know…around Missoula is good…lower Clark Fork is good…of course the Yellowstone area is good…the Big Horn area is good…lots of good!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli

Hi Vittorio Missoula will put you close to the Clark’s Fork, Missouri, and the Bitteroot rivers. Bozeman puts you close to Yellowstone Park, Yellowstone, Madison, Gallatin, Missouri, & Bighorn rivers. Billings puts you close to the lower Yellowstone and the Bighorn rivers The 3rd week in September is black caddis time on the Bighorn. Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a 1 week fishing vacation in Montana for the 3rd week of September. I am thinking of fishing with a guide for a couple of days and without guides for four days. I don’t know anything, though, about the best rivers to fish in this particular period, about the type of insects I might expect etc. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. – Vittorio Castelli

I had excellent fishing the 3rd week of September, 1996, in the Missoula area, especially on guided floats on the Clark Fork and Bitterroot Rivers, but also wading the Clark Fork and the St. Joe in Idaho (2+ hour drive).  I also floated on a Kingfisher pontoon boat the Missouri both above and below Craig 9/24 and 9/25.  The Missouri didn’t fish as well then as it had in mid-August, ‘96, or mid July, ‘94 and ‘95, but it was a lot less crowded.  Of course, those 2 days in September may just have been off days– cold, windy, dreary. In Missoula I can strongly recommend Missoulian Angler as outfitter– see http://www.ism.net/~mslanglr/index.html  I used them in ‘95 and ‘96 for guides, gear and advice and have been very satisfied in all respects.  The guides are very hard working and will keep you catching fish from morning well into the dark if you’re up for it. Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt

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In response to the message from me to this newsgroup earlier today about September fishing in the Missoula area, I received the following boldly stated Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt SO MUCH FOR THEM NOT BEING CROWDED ANYMORE!!!!!  THANKS ALOT!!!!

I admire a person who has the courage of their convictions.

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: Missoula will put you close to the Clark’s Fork, Missouri, and the : Bitteroot rivers. Al, you left out that Missoula also puts one close to Idaho. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Oh yeah…if he wants a potato! :=)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In response to the message from me to this newsgroup earlier today about September fishing in the Missoula area, I received the following boldly stated Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt SO MUCH FOR THEM NOT BEING CROWDED ANYMORE!!!!!  THANKS ALOT!!!! I admire a person who has the courage of their convictions.

If I identified myself I might have to worry that you would follow me to my favorite and still reasonably  secluded fishing holes!  I can imagine… elbow to elbow!!

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: Missoula will put you close to the Clark’s Fork, Missouri, and the : Bitteroot rivers. Al, you left out that Missoula also puts one close to Idaho. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Gee, Bill, as a fellow who makes his living peddling ranch land to developers, I’d think you’d support any effort to encourage people to immigrate to Montana, as you did, or just come to build second homes and enjoy the fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In response to the message from me to this newsgroup earlier today about September fishing in the Missoula area, I received the following boldly stated Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt SO MUCH FOR THEM NOT BEING CROWDED ANYMORE!!!!!  THANKS ALOT!!!! I admire a person who has the courage of their convictions. If I identified myself I might have to worry that you would follow me to my favorite and still reasonably  secluded fishing holes!  I can imagine… elbow to elbow!!

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OK, thanks to my stupidity its all out in the open now!  I hope you realize I did this all tongue in cheek…  it is just a small town and I would hate for someone to think I was serious (by the way… I didn’t mean to send it to you direct the first time… I am new to the newsgroups… I meant to post it as a follow up);  HOWEVER, I do take issue with your characterization of my business.  We do not "peddle" to developers!  In fact, we work closely with the nature conservancy and many other conservation minded organizations and individuals hoping to protect lands from overdevelopment.  By the way, do I know you?!?  How did you find out about my business, Sherlock? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, Bill, as a fellow who makes his living peddling ranch land to developers, I’d think you’d support any effort to encourage people to immigrate to Montana, as you did, or just come to build second homes and enjoy the fishing. In response to the message from me to this newsgroup earlier today about September fishing in the Missoula area, I received the following boldly stated Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt SO MUCH FOR THEM NOT BEING CROWDED ANYMORE!!!!!  THANKS ALOT!!!! I admire a person who has the courage of their convictions. If I identified myself I might have to worry that you would follow me to my favorite and still reasonably  secluded fishing holes!  I can imagine… elbow to elbow!!

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Dear Victorio,  We suggest you visit our guest ranch, Hawley Mountain Guest Ranch.  You can get more details on the ranch at http://www.duderanch.org than go to Montana state to find us.  We have four lodge rooms and three cabins on 155 acres surrounded by a million acres of wilderness 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park.  Within walking distance of our lodge we have a stocked trout pond and 1 mile of the Boulder  River.  Guiding is included in our rates and a 4 day minimum stay is possible in September.  In addition, in September we will be fishing in streams and lakes in the Wilderness that can be reached by horseback.  The best flyfishing in Montana at our altitude (6400ft.) is from mid-July through September. BBlewett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, thanks to my stupidity its all out in the open now!  I hope you realize I did this all tongue in cheek…  it is just a small town and I would hate for someone to think I was serious (by the way… I didn’t mean to send it to you direct the first time… I am new to the newsgroups… I meant to post it as a follow up);  HOWEVER, I do take issue with your characterization of my business.  We do not "peddle" to developers!  In fact, we work closely with the nature conservancy and many other conservation minded organizations and individuals hoping to protect lands from overdevelopment.  By the way, do I know you?!?  How did you find out about my business, Sherlock? Gee, Bill, as a fellow who makes his living peddling ranch land to developers, I’d think you’d support any effort to encourage people to immigrate to Montana, as you did, or just come to build second homes and enjoy the fishing. In response to the message from me to this newsgroup earlier today about September fishing in the Missoula area, I received the following boldly stated Also, the rivers in the Missoula area, except for Rock Creek, are considerably less crowded than the Missouri, Gallatin, Madison and Yellowstone Park rivers, which adds to my pleasure. Phil Holt SO MUCH FOR THEM NOT BEING CROWDED ANYMORE!!!!!  THANKS ALOT!!!! I admire a person who has the courage of their convictions. If I identified myself I might have to worry that you would follow me to my favorite and still reasonably  secluded fishing holes!  I can imagine… elbow to elbow!!

Ahem, I apologize, I just wanted some information, I really did not mean to start such a discussion !! Anyway, thanks to all of you that sent me notes or replied to my inquiry on the usergroup, I am sort of getting some ideas of what to do and where to go, too bad  the 3rd week of september is not 100 days long …. Going back to the fuss, I am just wondering what would have happened if I had mentioned Orvis in my posting … Just kidding ! -Vittorio

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Will be in Montana 3rd week of Sept. and hitting several rivers. We have to make a decision to fish either the Madison or Yellowstone but not both. Tough choice. Anybody having fished both at this time of year I would like to hear from you. I was hoping some fish might still be on hoppers on the Yellowstone and maybe the Madison around Ennis.  Anybody knowing of any private water fee fishing in either area as a distraction let me know.  I have also been told that fishing in the Slide Inn area has been coming back lately. Any verification on this? Thanks.

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Will be in Montana 3rd week of Sept. and hitting several rivers. We have to make a decision to fish either the Madison or Yellowstone but not both. Tough choice. Anybody having fished both at this time of year I would like to hear from you. I was hoping some fish might still be on hoppers on the Yellowstone and maybe the Madison around Ennis.  Anybody knowing of any private water fee fishing in either area as a distraction let me know.  I have also been told that fishing in the Slide Inn area has been coming back lately. Any verification on this? Thanks.

Hi Glen September fishing on either river will be great. Fish are just starting to take hopper now and this will continue until a hard freeze or two kills them off. Also streamer fishing on the Yellowstone river in the fall is also good. Fee waters in the area include the spring creeks in the Paradise valley. I suggest getting in contact with the River’s Edge in Bozeman (406-586-5373) when you get here to get information, licenses, guides, whatever. If you want a day on the spring creeks I suggest booking soon. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be in Montana 3rd week of Sept. and hitting several rivers. We have to make a decision to fish either the Madison or Yellowstone but not both. Tough choice. Anybody having fished both at this time of year I would like to hear from you. I was hoping some fish might still be on hoppers on the Yellowstone and maybe the Madison around Ennis.  Anybody knowing of any private water fee fishing in either area as a distraction let me know.  I have also been told that fishing in the Slide Inn area has been coming back lately. Any verification on this? Thanks.

I fished the Madison and the Yellowstone the 3rd week of September 1996.  However, the rivers were not as high as they are this year. There were some, but not a lot of, hoppers.  The nights were too cold. Hoppers did not get active until late afternoon.  A royal trude, size 14 or 16, with a prince nymph or hare’s ear nymph dropper tied directly off the hook of the trude with about 20 to 24 inches of tippet worked well on both rivers.  Humpy, caddis, stimulator, bee, and trude patterns worked well on the Madison,  These were also fished with a prince nymph or hare’s ear nymph dropper.   I would forget the fee fishing and consider trying a float tube on South Meadow Lake out of McAllister if it is accessible.

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James

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Can anyone tell me where I can find salmon fly patterns on the net. I am looking for patterns from Iceland. I have tried two patterns and the colour in them is great, have had great luck with the patterns and would like to get more. Thank you.

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Can anyone tell me where I can find salmon fly patterns on the net. I am looking for patterns from Iceland. I have tried two patterns and the colour in them is great, have had great luck with the patterns and would like to get more. Thank you.

Just curious.  Do you fish these patterns the Icelandic way with the 14′ long rods?  If so, what do you think of that particular style of fishing? Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA Hi Charlie, Sorry to hear you network is not carrying the tying newsgroup – at least I assume this is the problem. My last look at the group indicated about 75 messages on the current screen. Maybe a call or email to your network server would be in order. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

That’s all it’ll take.  The ROFFT group is definitely going. Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy

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Hi Sandy. Keep plugging away, the group is being accessed by UK readers. Damn good stuff too. I’ve currently got something like 175 news items stored. E.mail your provider and tell them of your problems.                                        Read you soon. Dave T. , I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.  No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

– dave tait

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Hi Sandy. Keep plugging away, the group is being accessed by UK readers. Damn good stuff too. I’ve currently got something like 175 news items stored. E.mail your provider and tell them of your problems.

Just to clarify things… The newsgroup is indeed globally created and has been receiving quite a bit of traffic.  I was out of town for the weekend and when I returned there were 96 new messages. If you still can’t access the group the problem is with your provider.  Some service provides don’t "auto-create" new newsgroups and you’ll specifically have to ask them to add the group to their subscribed list.  In any case, there isn’t anything that anyone that is reading this newsgroup can do about the local problem. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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This newsgroup still doesn’t exist…for me.  Is it active?

:   : , I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. : , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s : , gone. :   :   No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages : appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, : with something (anything) to say! — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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I’m unable to find this group either.  Address again?  The one I got a week ago just doesn’t connect, at least on my server… — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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I’m unable to find this group either.  Address again?  The one I got a week ago just doesn’t connect, at least on my server… — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying is what I have been trying to join. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

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Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

Hi Charlie, Sorry to hear you network is not carrying the tying newsgroup – at least I assume this is the problem. My last look at the group indicated about 75 messages on the current screen. Maybe a call or email to your network server would be in order. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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, I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.  No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

Something is wrong on your end.  My site did not add the group until it was officially released, but since then (a week or so) there have been around a dozen messages a day on it. Dave

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Hi Vic, I’ve been corresponding through the tying newsgroup with several folks who use AOL and they seem to have no problem. Anyway the tying group seems to be taking off. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

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I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s gone. Is this a common problem for AOL members or am I doing something stupid again? Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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Hi Vic, I’ve been corresponding through the tying newsgroup with several folks who use AOL and they seem to have no problem. Anyway the tying group seems to be taking off. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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, I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.   No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

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I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.   Sadly, I have had to leave behind my favorite stretches of "free" water in exchange for a country where I have been told you must "pay as you play." There must be some salvation for me somewhere.  The thought of not flyfishing for trout and/or salmon for two years (unless I take a second mortgage on the house) does not sit well.   Likewise, my supply of tying materials becomes more depleted by the day and unless I find the location of some fly shops (if there are any) I am likely to resort to catching local pigeons and plucking the occasional stray cat.  Help me.   Should there be an angel of mercy out there that can offer any advice in these matters I would be most indebted.  I am residing approximately 30 miles west of London but am willing to travel if it means being able to wet a line without draining my pocketbook. Cheers! Rhett

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.

All is not lost, there is plenty of fishing well within most peoples budget, ie

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Greenstone lake, the first that you get to, seems to have a small brook trout population but there are so many others that it’s hardly worth fishing.

One of the funnier things I’ve seen while fishing happened here.  A couple of spin fisherman were fishing Greenstone and one hooked about a 6" brookie.  His buddy got the net, which had a handle about three feet long and a rim about 2 feet in diameter.  It was big enough to net salmon for god’s sake. Well, as he went to lift the trout out of the water, it fell through the webbing on the net.  I got a good chuckle to say the least.

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A friend was in at Saddlebag two weeks ago and said the ground was still fairly soggy…..alot of the High Country won’t be opened up this year at all, as fall/winter is beginning to happen already (last week it got down to 35 deg 3 nights straight at 6870 ft. elevation. As far as fishing, it’s been suprising how few trout are actually surface feeding this year in the Sierra (Ralph Cutter- can you shed some light on this and/or confirm/deny ??).   All I’m able to attribute it to is the lower than customary temperature of the water. There *are* hatches, although they are much later than usual, but the fish seeem to be ignoring them. The few that I’ve kept have been **PACKED** with nymphs, hoppers, ants and beetles, but not alot of "surface bugs". I indicator nymphed and worked a pair of ants (one flying, one hardshell) and picked up a few fish….but certainly nothing to boast about. Tried soft-hackele wets for hours with no takers..upstream, down and across and downstream…..started to curse Dave Huges and Sylvester Nemes below my breath, but decided that I’d save that for my third and likely final attempt at this "old New Style" of flyfishing. Don’t know if it would be worth the effort of canoeing and then trekking farther; I’ve heard Mammoth has been pretty good this year, you may want to give it a go instead!!

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At the end of September I’m thinking of heading up to Saddlebage Lake, canoeing accross and hiking around the Conness Lakes/Glacier are to fish for Goldens.  Has anyone been up there lately or at this time of year.  I know it’ll probabaly be a bit cold since its above 10,000 feet. What flies should I bring?  Nymphs, Caddis, Terresterals?  Any advice would be appreciated.  

I haven’t been up there in a few years but this is one of my favorite areas.  I also used a canoe to get across the lake and  then carried it up on the shore a bit and stashed my oars up by a tree a bit up the trail. Greenstone lake, the first that you get to, seems to have a small brook trout population but there are so many others that it’s hardly worth fishing.  The next lake (Wasco) is a little better and I’ve caught fish of a decent size.  Steelhead lake (the biggest in the basin) has been hit and miss for me.  Cascade lake, and the small lake in between it and Steelhead are both real good.  The shallows at the south end of the lake are teeming with brookies in the evening.  There is another small lake (Towser) that is supposed to be a Golden trout only lake and I’ve caught a couple real small ones in it.  Shamrock lake has been one of the best producers for brookies for me and it’s probably the prettiest in the basin.  To the South of Shamrock as you head up the hill there are a couple of other small lakes that are supposed to be Golden trout lakes but I’ve never found them.  At the top of the hill in the center of the basin is Z-lake.  I have caught more brookies in that lake then any of the other lakes.  Helen Lake and Odell have produced much for me and I believe that Odell is supposed to be a golden trout only lake as well. I haven’t fished Hummingbird but I hear it has a large brookie population, so much so that the fish are stunted. There are three lakes up above the waterfall below the glacier that are worth the hike only because they are so pretty.  The first one is almost a tourquiose color.  Unfortunately I was told that these lakes froze solid a few years ago and have not been restocked.  That was about five years ago so it may have changed. If the fish are hitting the surface I have had the best luck with grey hackle peacocks, grey hackle yellows, Sierra brite dots, and coachmens. If they are not,  various nymphs like GR hares ears, prince nymphs, Birds nests, pheasant tails, and a few emerger patterns all seem to work.   I fished all of these patterns with an ultralight spinning rod and a casting bubble.  For the grey hackles, etc, I filled the bubble half full of water and fished them wet just below the surface with a *very* slow retrieve.   For the nymphs I fill the bubble up all the way and then cast and count down several seconds before begining the retrieve. As is the case with any of the areas in the Sierra you should be prepared for any kind of weather.  I’ve been there twice in September when it has snowed.  One time a friend of mine and I drove up and camped at Tioga lake campground because we arrived too late in the day.  He got up the next morning and went out in my canoe on Tioga lake.  He paddled out about 100′ and decided it was too cold.  He knocked on my camper shell window and said that he had to come in and warm up.  We ended up driving around a bit because the heater wasn’t warming fast enough.  It was probably a good three hours before he felt normal again.  Hypothermia is a very real possibility this time of year and it’s nothing to fool around with.  If we had camped out the night before in the basin like we had planned it could have been *real* serious. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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At the end of September I’m thinking of heading up to Saddlebage Lake, canoeing accross and hiking around the Conness Lakes/Glacier are to fish for Goldens.  Has anyone been up there lately or at this time of year.  I know it’ll probabaly be a bit cold since its above 10,000 feet. What flies should I bring?  Nymphs, Caddis, Terresterals?  Any advice would be appreciated.   "Never get suckered into defending the cost of your fishing habit on a cost per pound basis.  It’ll only embarrass or depress you.  The only measurement that makes sense at all is the cost per cast…So, if you are long on effort and short on results, remember that the more you cast, the cheaper it gets."                                             -Tully Stroud Chris Anderson San Fransicko

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