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I think I can see it… no wait, that’s not it. Nevermind. — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can’t see shit…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

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What post? Wolfgang

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I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

I see it directly.  I just changed my ISP because of dropped messages and other newsgroups problems.

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I saw it.                   Tom L

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[This followup was posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and a copy was sent to the cited author.] Saw it here. I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

– Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon

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I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John

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John, There are a couple of good oregon books: Soggy Sneakers and Oregon River Tours. Bend is a pretty place, lots of great fly fishing nearby (my fav. hobby). As far as boating rivers: The Deschutes river is nearby, it actually flows through bend (the upper section), but the lower section is the one most often boated.  It is probably the most popular rafting river in oregon.  The river has 5 or 6 class IV rapids and a couple of falls that are pretty much unrunable (unless you’re one of those crazy guys I see on tv).  The river also has a myriad of class 1 through 3 rapids.  The floatable section is close to 90 miles long.  However it is conviently broken by access points into two three day floats, with a couple of one day floats possible as well. The river gets very heavy traffic however.  In the middle of july, expect to count up to two dozen rafts in each direction.  Midweek brings much smaller crowds.  The Rangers have done a really good job discouraging the drunken Frat House parties, thus everyone is pretty pleasant. You also have access (2 or three hour drive) to the Rogue River.  It’s a scenic river with limited entry in the summer.  It is amazing! Since I raft and driftboat, I don’t have experience with smaller boats in Oregon. However, I think that other rivers close to bend may well accomodated kayaks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

        1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.         2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.         3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.         4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.         5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.         6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.         if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.         as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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Thanks Man, Sounds cool for a sunny day but we’re in the middle of bloody winter over here and all the nubile girls round here know how rude it is to point. Oh and if we could attend any of your competitions over there that would be just great. Cheers Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari    1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.    2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.    3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.    4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.    5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.    6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.    if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.    as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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 Saw one where they put a Hulahoop on a ten foot pole and you have to cast through it, i.e. your whole loop.  The pole is 15 foot in front of the caster.  Prizes for those who make it through the most time in succession.                 Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Introduce yourself and tell us the town you live in/near. Might be someone could arrange a lesson, but also would help with giving you advise and contacts. Dave

I’d second Dave’s advice.  The first time you go out, it’s best to go out with someone who knows what they’re doing.  If you can find a club, you may be able to find someone who’ll take you out. Worst case, if you can afford it, you may want to consider hiring a guide for a day.  He can generally lend (or rent) you the equipment you’ll need, and you’ll at least get an idea of what the sport is about.  You might even catch a fish or two.  The cost of guides varies by region, anywhere from about $150 to $300/day.  If he does a good job, it’s traditional to tip 15-20% (or more, if they’re on the low end of the pay scale).  You can find a guide through your local shop, via ads in fly fishing magazines, or over the Internet. Once you’ve been out once, you can make an informed judgement about whether this is something you want to do.  You could then consider a fly fishing school….Again, you’d have some guidance, and would also meet other beginners in the area. As someone else said, there’s no substitute for time on the water and making your own mistakes.  However, I’d argue you’re better off having some sort of foundation from a guide/school to jump-start your learning curve. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I would suggest visiting your local fly shop.  They will have the staff and expertise to point you in the right direction.  You may also want to consider purchasing or looking at some books at the local bookstore.  What do you plan to fish for? Maurice Paquette

I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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JAMFF Introduce yourself and tell us the town you live in/near. Might be someone could arrange a lesson, but also would help with giving you advise and contacts. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Books are fine, but just get out there on the water and fuck up time and again. There’s no substitute for experience. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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First of all you will have to tell us what type of fish you are going for and what kind of water you are going to fish. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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And if you’re gonna buy a book and know absolutely nothing about FFing, buy: Curtis Creek Manifesto And if you’re gonna watch a video, don’t watch: A River Runs Through It

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I started out..and still basically have taught myself. Through reading books and watching videos. If possible though try to find a local shop or club and join in or just start chattin with people, most will be happy to help. If you put down the area you live in, maybe someone in this group is near enough to give you some instruction. But if all else fails, buy a book. Tim Apple — The fishing is always good, It’s the catching that’s sometimes bad"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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I was thinking about picking up the hobby of fly fishing, but i have no idea where to begin. Nor do i know of anyone who fly fishes. I was wondering if anyone could help me out here, it would be greatly appreciated. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila).

Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

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Yes, there are some small flats near the bridge.  Much of the rest of the bay is muddy but there are spots you can reach on foot.  Legally you need a fishing license from the Boca Paila lodge owner. (he is also a warden, but historically he has ignored non-guided fishermen with good manners.  He has been known to call the marines to arrest fishermen w/o permits who cut off his guides.) I caught my first and only permit by the bridge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

Hi Mike, You have a real special site. I saved it and will go back when I have more time. Your photos are very beautiful. Thanks. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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I would welcome anybodys opinions on the best fly pattern’s, sizes, colors, etc. for fishing Yucatan bonefish and barracuda.  Thanks.

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I would welcome anybodys opinions on the best fly pattern’s, sizes, colors, etc. for fishing Yucatan bonefish and barracuda.  Thanks.

Hi U, Take a look at the Crazy Charlie in pearl, gold, pink and root beer. Snapping Shrimp are good in tan, brown, olive, pink and chartreuse. The Bonefish Bitters is good in root beer and olive. Try some small ‘dime size’ crabs in tan or olive. The hook/fly size depends on the brand of hook. I use TMC800S in #6 and #8. In Mustad 3407 or 34007 I use #4 and 6. If the bones are heavily fished, I use smaller flies. On turtle grass I use no eyes or weight. On sand I like bead chain eyes. If I am in moving water or water that is deeper that 2′, I use lead eyes. If the bones are moving then lead them a little. If they are tailing, try to get straight upwind and cast 6" in front of their head. Try to stay on a light colored bottom in shallow water (12" to 18").  Any kind of a tide movement is good. For Barracuda most use a  8" long  green over white synthetic hair streamer with a wire tippet. Don’t cast at the fishes head. Cast in front of him and move it very fast. They can be very lazy if the tide is not moving. They seem to hit their prey in the middle, so most recommend a tandem hook in the rear of the fly. We are also using poppers for cudas. Many are caught while trolling if it is real windy or dark and cloudy. If you have any questions about the MX Yucatan or Belize let me know as it is my favorite subject. I am fishing 3 to 4 different places down there every year. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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The standard patterns are pretty good.  For Bones I like the Bonefish Bitter patterns in amber and olive (chartreuse works sometimes too) and I like smaller flies #6, even #8 too.  There is a pattern called the Squimp that i did very well with also.  For Cudas, the needlefish patterns in Chartreuse are good, and so are the Blanton Flashtail Whistlers. Have fun.

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If you have any questions about the MX Yucatan or Belize let me know as it is my favorite subject. I am fishing 3 to 4 different places down there every year.

Well, it seems me and my fishing pal are headed for Yucatan. We’ll be arriving on March the 30th., and we’ll stay a week in Playa del Carmen. We’re pretty much clueless when it comes to fishing for bones and the Yucatan area. Going with guides or staying at a fishing lodge would solve all our problems, but we trying to keep this at a budget level. We figure, we can afford guides one or two days, but we are unsure of who and where to go. My web searches mainly turned up some all-inclusive lodges, with steep prices. I did, however, search Dejanews for some pointers as well, and I found a bunch of your posts, which, as usual, were extremely helpful. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Going into Punta Allen itself also sounds exciting, perhaps spending a night there, trying to hook up with a guide or something, but we don’t speak Spanish (we speak English and German). An interesting fact was that in a guidebook, we found that the Bonefishing Club of Ascension Bay is run by a mr. Jan Persson, and that as Swedish sounding as names come. That would definitely be something to check up on when we get there..? So, we must decide how to spend our limited, precious guided time. Should we try a guide in Playa del Carmen or save our money for the Punta Allen area?  Or there any possibilities for fly fishing in Playa del Carmen at all?   Any pointers or recommendations on this would be greatly appreciated. (we already got a hotel, bundled with air fare) I think we got the gear situation under control, except for flies. Do you sell flies at your shop, Bill? We’d be _very_ happy to buy a set of your recommended flies. I will be needing one good set of flies, and one crappy set, looking good, for my friend.. (this is probably better suited for email, I guess) Our primary target is bonefish, but permit and even tarpon would be worth a shot, if the conditions favor it. We assume one can wade wet in normal clothes (thin long pants or shorts, shirt, sneakers), bringing a chest pack with water and fly fishing gear. Is that recommended for this time of year? (in terms of water temperature). How about a fishing license? Is that an issue at all? All hints and tips greatly appreciated. El Figen

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Hello all,

[much snipped] Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

Jesse Debate is healthy and often fun, providing it doesn’t degenerate into the slinging about of low grade insults.  I wouldn’t sweat it too much.  Fishing is about fun, especially shared fun.  Hopefully, some of that fun gets shared in ROFF too.  But I’ve noticed that it’s the contentious issues that get all the ink.  I post a couple of flyfishing stories and they’re barely noticed, but my whining about rod prices generated about 200 repsonses when you count in the derivatives.  I guess it’s just human nature.   Anyway. I had a great year of fishing, and I hope everyone else that reads this ng, did too.  Hopefully, in the new year, we’ll catch that big brown that spurned all our offerings last summer. Peter

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Well Peter, perhaps you whine better than you write. Just kidding, I enjoyed your stories. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison <snip I’ve noticed that it’s the contentious issues that get all the ink.  I

post a couple of flyfishing stories and  they’re barely noticed, but my whining about rod prices generated about 200 repsonses when you count in the derivatives.  I guess it’s just human nature.   <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter

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Hello all, Please believe that I stumbled quite innocently into the fracus of C & E versus C & R.  And quite tardily.  Believe me also when I say that though I am old, I am not to old to learn, and to re-learn.  I should retract the statement  that I "slanted {the article Catch and Eat} purposely to arouse debate."   Talking over the pros and cons of a question, in a friendly fashion, I enjoy, but not dispute and name-calling.   It’s more correct to say that I wrote it rather, partly, in defense of those who received venomous messages for their positions.  And, because I had seen at times, on TV, what appeared to be careless C & R; and, because I think it’s okay to eat a fish now and then.  And surely, in the heat of reaction, I got a bit carried away.  If I had let the article cool longer, I would have toned down some of the more inflammatory passages.   The kind of fishing that’s done, C & E, C & R, fly, spoon, plug, bait–it all depends on who when what where and why.  The conditions, the fishing pressure, the fish populations, the locale. . . . But no matter what, we all like to fish; we all want to protect fish and fishing.   Mark Kelly, Steve Dsrt Traveler, Peter Charles, Moe, Ralph, Ernie, others (I don’t have all the names in front of me) have made good points–but it comes down to what Mark said–we all like to fish, we ought all,  finally, to support each other, and that’s exactly what I want to come back to. I’ve eaten  fish, I’ve  released fish, I’ve caught ‘em through the long years on worms, eggs, spoons, plugs, flies, treble hooks, barbless hooks, tiny hooks, big hooks, wild fish, hatchery fish, in pretty places, mucky places, and all of it,  any of it, well, "if it ain’t fun" I don’t know what is.  And the older you get, the more pleasant the memories of it all are.  Like all of us, I just wish we could all do more of it.   It’s fun if you catch fish or don’t catch fish, fun to watch others fish, to watch others catch fish.  I think it was Mark who fetched me up, properly, to remember that if we fight among ourselves, we don’t do the fishing world any good at all, but rather harm.   So I don’t want to rub sores, nor much care any more to wander off into the realms of mythology or animalism or primitivism or anthropology or philosophy. . .fishin’ is fishin’.   When we come down to earth, we know that.  In our better selves, we all know it:   Fishin’ is fishin’.   Exactly that. Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

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Hello all, Please believe that I stumbled quite innocently into the fracus of C & E versus C & R.  And quite tardily.  Believe me also when I say that though I am old, I am not to old to learn, and to re-learn.  I should retract the statement  that I "slanted {the article Catch and Eat} purposely to arouse debate."   Talking over the pros and cons of a question, in a friendly fashion, I enjoy, but not dispute and name-calling.

Well Jess, that whole subject is something of a sore spot around here. You can’t even mention it without starting a huge rucus. It’s more correct to say that I wrote it rather, partly, in defense of those who received venomous messages for their positions.  And, because I had seen at times, on TV, what appeared to be careless C & R; and, because I think it’s okay to eat a fish now and then.  And surely, in the heat of reaction, I got a bit carried away.  If I had let the article cool longer, I would have toned down some of the more inflammatory passages.

Ah!  Not to worry. <snip So I don’t want to rub sores, nor much care any more to wander off into the realms of mythology or animalism or primitivism or anthropology or philosophy. . .fishin’ is fishin’.   When we come down to earth, we know that.  In our better selves, we all know it:   Fishin’ is fishin’. Exactly that.

I agree whole-heartedly.  I seems though, that there is a rather curious factor involved.  It seems that FFing is taking on a religious quality complete with orthodoxy, traditions, dogma, and theology.  It schmecks of fundamentalism with the "our way or no way" attitude you see on our trout streams.  A blinkered ideology that leaves little or no room for ideas outside strict adherance to the status quo. But you sir are right.  Fishin’ is Fishin’.  No more no less.  I can’t save the world, hell it won’t even save the rivers.  Better to enjoy it for what it is, rather than what we may want it to be. Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

Well said sir. </c — </chaz Chaz Clover The Paved Earth Society http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth   "Why Not Just Get On With It?"

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Curt:  I use a 2 wt. for bream and small bass all the time on creeks here in TX.  Jack Ellis used to only use two rods (3wt. and 10 wt.) when I first met him.  The main problem with light rods for bass isn’t the fish, it’s the size of the flies.  My favorite rods are 5 wts. I only go for the 8wts. When I know I’ll be after big bass and using big flies.         All the reports I’ve had on St. Croix rods are positive.         If you really get into warmwater FF, send me your mailing address and I’ll mail you a couple of my newsletters.  Ellis an I publish one exclusively for the warmwater crowd.                                         Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy folks,    I have a question about rods for panfish, bass, etc.    I just moved to S. Dakota (the eastern end away from the trout streams in the black hills).  It’s pretty obvious thus far that the majority of my fishing will entail warm water fish.  As an avid small stream trout fisherman, my only rod that I own is a nice little 7′6" 3wt. I think I may be a little undergunned for bass    I have no idea what rod to get (yeah, I could look in books, but all my stuff is still packed away in various places….).  I was thinking about a St. Croix, since funds are a little tight and I’ve heard great things about ‘em, but what size, 7wt, 9wt ??  What would a good all around warm water rod?    Any advice would be appreciated, and any offers to sell me a good used rod would be even more appreciated thanks,    curt Curt Anderson Post-Doctoral Research Fellow University of South Dakota School of Medicine Dept. of Anatomy & Structural Biology Vermillion, SD 57069

I’d go with a 7 or 8 for bass…. for a good all around warm water rod(s), I would get a 4 | 5 and a 7….. -Dan-

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Howdy folks,         I have a question about rods for panfish, bass, etc.         I just moved to S. Dakota (the eastern end away from the trout streams in the black hills).  It’s pretty obvious thus far that the majority of my fishing will entail warm water fish.  As an avid small stream trout fisherman, my only rod that I own is a nice little 7′6" 3wt. I think I may be a little undergunned for bass         I have no idea what rod to get (yeah, I could look in books, but all my stuff is still packed away in various places….).  I was thinking about a St. Croix, since funds are a little tight and I’ve heard great things about ‘em, but what size, 7wt, 9wt ??  What would a good all around warm water rod?         Any advice would be appreciated, and any offers to sell me a good used rod would be even more appreciated thanks,         curt Curt Anderson Post-Doctoral Research Fellow University of South Dakota School of Medicine Dept. of Anatomy & Structural Biology Vermillion, SD 57069

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Hi Curt I’d recommend a 9′ for a 7 weight.  It could also be used for trout if you should happen to get near a western river.   Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy folks,         I have a question about rods for panfish, bass, etc.         I just moved to S. Dakota (the eastern end away from the trout streams in the black hills).  It’s pretty obvious thus far that the majority of my fishing will entail warm water fish.  As an avid small stream trout fisherman, my only rod that I own is a nice little 7′6" 3wt. I think I may be a little undergunned for bass         I have no idea what rod to get (yeah, I could look in books, but all my stuff is still packed away in various places….).  I was thinking about a St. Croix, since funds are a little tight and I’ve heard great things about ‘em, but what size, 7wt, 9wt ??  What would a good all around warm water rod?         Any advice would be appreciated, and any offers to sell me a good used rod would be even more appreciated

Hi Curt, I use an inexpensive (not *cheap*) Cortland 6 wt rod and reel on bream and bass with good results.  With 6 wt line I sometimes have a little trouble throwing highly wind-resistant deer hair bugs, though.  I’m about to try loading my reel with 7 wt to see if it improves.  If you want some more detail on my combo, e-mail me.  I’ll be happy to tell you where and how much. By the way, you don’t want to sell your 3 wt, do you?  It’s still an excellent bream rod. -Barry Barry Layfield Huntsville, AL        http://ro.com/~blayf

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy folks,    I have a question about rods for panfish, bass, etc.    I just moved to S. Dakota (the eastern end away from the trout streams in the black hills).  It’s pretty obvious thus far that the majority of my fishing will entail warm water fish.  As an avid small stream trout fisherman, my only rod that I own is a nice little 7′6" 3wt. I think I may be a little undergunned for bass    I have no idea what rod to get (yeah, I could look in books, but all my stuff is still packed away in various places….).  I was thinking about a St. Croix, since funds are a little tight and I’ve heard great things about ‘em, but what size, 7wt, 9wt ??  What would a good all around warm water rod?    Any advice would be appreciated, and any offers to sell me a good used rod would be even more appreciated thanks,    curt Curt Anderson Post-Doctoral Research Fellow University of South Dakota School of Medicine Dept. of Anatomy & Structural Biology Vermillion, SD 57069

I California we use #6, 7 or 8 for warm water fisheries.  If you are using larger bugs, get a larger outfit.  I would get a bass bug taper and use short (7 1/2′), large butt (.023"+), heavy leaders (3x to 0x). William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I am trying to contact the Martin Reel company.  They seemed to have closed both their factory in Mohawk, NY where my fly reel   was manufactured and their customer service office in Tulsa OK, which is listed on my warranty card.  Good thing I decided to call before sending my reel in for repairs!  I thought my troubles were solved when I found a phone# for Martin Reels in a recent product review in Flyfishing magazine, but instead it was the residence of one very irrate lady who sounded pretty fed up with people calling about fly reels.  Anyway, if you happen to know a phone number for Martin Reels, or have a recent warranty card with a new address or phone number I would certainly appreciate it! Roger. —  Roger S. Barga     | Department of Computer Science and Engineering                     | Oregon Graduate Institute of Science and Technology (503) 690-1121 7308 | P.O. Box 91000

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I am trying to contact the Martin Reel company.  They seemed to have closed both their factory in Mohawk, NY where my fly reel   was manufactured and their customer service office in Tulsa OK, which is listed on my warranty card.  Good thing I decided to call before sending my reel in for repairs!  I thought my troubles were solved when I found a phone# for Martin Reels in a recent product review in Flyfishing magazine, but instead it was the residence of one very irrate lady who sounded pretty fed up with people calling about fly reels.  Anyway, if you happen to know a phone number for Martin Reels, or have a recent warranty card with a new address or phone number I would certainly appreciate it! Roger.

Martin was bought by Zebco, hence the Tulsa address, so you should be able to call them. -bruce pencek — Political Science, Box 15036      as eternal salvation — come by grace and   Northern Arizona University       grace comes by art and art does not come Flagstaff, AZ  86011-5036         easy."                 — Norman Maclean

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Next week I have to take my son down to Sunny Florida to get him registered for his first semister at U of F.  We will combine the trip with some vacation time in Pensacola (western tip of the panhandle).  While there we will be doing some fly fishing for specs and reds along the grass flats of the intercoastal waterway. Does anyone out there have any info on the current state of the fishery and hot flys for this type of fishing.  We might also try some surf flycasting along the Gulf Coast.  Any ideas or tips in this regard? Thanks in advance, Bryan

Oh well, I guess nobody knows anything about this area.  Well anyway I’m outta here. Bryan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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Next week I have to take my son down to Sunny Florida to get him registered for his first semister at U of F.  We will combine the trip with some vacation time in Pensacola (western tip of the panhandle).  While there we will be doing some fly fishing for specs and reds along the grass flats of the intercoastal waterway. Does anyone out there have any info on the current state of the fishery and hot flys for this type of fishing.  We might also try some surf flycasting along the Gulf Coast.  Any ideas or tips in this regard? Thanks in advance, Bryan Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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A friend of mine heard on NPR that an undergraduate physics student at Reed College has won a national physics prize for best undergraduate paper, and that his subject concerned the physics of flycasting.   Does anyone know who the student is, an email address, or how to get a copy of the paper?  I would be quite interested in seeing it and hearing from the student.         — Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim); Physicist, Artificial Intelligence GE Corporate R&D, 1 River Road, Schenectady, NY 12301

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A friend of mine heard on NPR that an undergraduate physics student at Reed College has won a national physics prize for best undergraduate paper, and that his subject concerned the physics of flycasting.   Does anyone know who the student is, an email address, or how to get a copy of the paper?  I would be quite interested in seeing it and hearing from the student.    – Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim); Physicist, Artificial Intelligence GE Corporate R&D, 1 River Road, Schenectady, NY 12301

A week or so ago I posted to the flyfishing group details of an article in the American J. Physics on the subject of the physics of flycasting.  I think the author was R.J. Adams but I did not keep the details of the reference.  If anyone reads both groups they may be able to give the details I posted. Gordon MacPherson Dunn School of Pathology Oxford University

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For those of you who are interested, there are two articles on the subject of flycasting in the American Journal of Physics. The references are:   The mechanics of flycasting: The flyline   Graig A. Spolek   Am. J. Phys. vol. 54, September 1986, pp 832-836   The physics of fly casting   John M. Robson   Am. J. Phys. vol. 58, March 1990, pp 234-240 Hope you enjoy them ! Eric Allen

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