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Anyone have any suggestions about cleaning floating lines???  Seems I came across a bottle of Fenwick line cleaner in my odds and ends box a few months ago and struck upon the bright idea of cleaning up my fly lines.  Well I cleaned a 2 year old Sage quiet taper 2wt and an Orvis 6wt DT with about 5 years on it and discovered after fishing with them over the last few month that they both started showing extreme wear.  Both now have concentric cracks ringing the lines where there were none before… lots of them…. or at least none were noticeable before.  Both of these lines look ruined. Any thoughts??

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Anyone have any suggestions about cleaning floating lines???  Seems I came across a bottle of Fenwick line cleaner in my odds and ends box a few months ago and struck upon the bright idea of cleaning up my fly lines.  Well I cleaned a 2 year old Sage quiet taper 2wt and an Orvis 6wt DT with about 5 years on it and discovered after fishing with them over the last few month that they both started showing extreme wear.  Both now have concentric cracks ringing the lines where there were none before… lots of them…. or at least none were noticeable before.  Both of these lines look ruined. Any thoughts??

______  The fly lines were dried out Ed.  When you casted them, they couldn’t stretch.  The coating cracked, especially where the fly line (about thirty feet back) pivots on the tip top of your fly rod.  There is only one fly line cleaner in the world that will restore the Plasticizers into fly lines.  I’d suggest you check out my web site for that answer.  Two fly lines is a lot of money.  Sorry you lost them Ed. Just throw them away now.  They’re shot.  Or just go to the blue thingie below. Hope this helps answer your question. — Sincerely, George G. http://www.gink.com/products/gg_pz.html

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Why don’t you just turn the double taper around?  If it’s a two year old line, unless you fish it every day it should still be plenty good… if the coating is ruined on a line that "new" the manufacturer should be willin to replace it.  Typically, a FFer uses the first 30-40 feet of a DT line more than anything else, so if you turn it around, you’ll be at a diifferent "wear spot" than before =) A good habit to get into, especially if you fish infrequentyly is removing line from reels… the tight coils aren’t a real good way to store the line, and when you fish with it, the water on the outer coils seeps down onto the inner coils, leaaving moisture on the line, allowing it to collect dust and dirt. Strip the line off the reel into a bucket of warm water, then draw it through a damp cotton cloth with a SMALL amount of a MILD detergent (like Ivory soap) on it into another bucket of cool water.  Draw the line back through a dry cotton cloth into loose coils onto a clean surface.  Coil the line loosely and hang it on a hanger that has a t-shirt over the wire, then place another tshirt over it and hang it in a cool, dark place until you’re going to use it again. I do this at the end of every season and have had some Cortland and Mastery lines last 5 years with no real signs of damage… I have some Scientific Anglers seldom used lines, like quick sinking and sink-tips that are 15 years old and aren’t cracked. If you use a line in water with a lot of moss in it or salt, then you will need to wash and treat the line with a dressing on a more frequent basis, but be careful what you use… some products have lanolin in them, which will get rancid others are petrochemical based, which will eat into the coating of the lines.  Try and contact the line manufacturer if you’re unsure what may react with the coatings to be sure what you use won’t void your warranty. Larry

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All, I found this experience to be fascinating. While fishing the Manistee river in western Michigan, Dad & I casually donned our gear and schlepped the few hundred feet from the car to a stairs leading down to the river. Upon landing we began sizing up the water and realized that we were probably in the wrong place, as the water was very featureless and deepened quickly from the banks that we found ourselves on.  Well, as we were feeling a bit lazy, we decided to give it a try anyway.  Walking upstream a few yards, I happened upon a little gravel bed that jutted into the river allowing me a few extra feet to wade so I walked out and started pondering what to fish.  Tried a few things, deep, shallow, etc with no luck.  Felt kinda like fishing a lake as there were no feature to speak of except (of course) the little gravel bed I was standing on (who was it that once said…"you can always tell the inexperienced fisherman because he is wading where he should be fishing and fishing where he should be wading?)  After about an hour of flailing about I happened to gaze down into the water and was shocked to see at least 5, yes five very large brown trout  feeding right next to my feet.  AHA! finally a challenge.  So I carefully proceded to fish every last fly in my box in every conceivable presentation style past these fish only to watch them move out of the way as my fly du seconde floated by.  After a while, I simply gave up and watched them feed, and began learning…. Russell

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Russell,    You were probably dislodging insects with your feet and the fish were taking advantage of it.  This is not an uncommon occurrence in heavily fished waters where the fish get used to the fisherman. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found this experience to be fascinating. <snip I happened to gaze down into the water and was shocked to see at least 5, yes five very large brown trout  feeding right next to my feet <snip Russell

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Russell,    You were probably dislodging insects with your feet and the fish were taking advantage of it.  This is not an uncommon occurrence in heavily fished waters where the fish get used to the fisherman. Ernie I found this experience to be fascinating. <snip I happened to gaze down into the water and was shocked to see at least 5, yes five very large brown trout  feeding right next to my feet <snip Russell

Ernie, You are probably right, however they seemed to also be feeding in front of me in the typical dodge and slide pattern.  It was awesome to watch. Russell

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It looks like I’ll be in Switzerland next August. I was thinking that this might be a chance to try some European flyfishing. Anyone have suggestions about what would be good that time of year? It doesn’t have to be near Switzerland. This is a free trip, so I can afford to splurge on extra travel.

August is not exactly the best time for fishing here, but whatever, drop me a mail a little before the time and I will arrange something. Do it at least a month or so beforehand, and I will try and organise a license and everything for you if you would like to have a go here in Germany. I will try and send you some info on Switzerland as well. Your best bet for reasonable fishing is probably Austria. Tight lines ! MC

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It looks like I’ll be in Switzerland next August. I was thinking that this might be a chance to try some European flyfishing. Anyone have suggestions about what would be good that time of year? It doesn’t have to be near Switzerland. This is a free trip, so I can afford to splurge on extra travel. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Anyone know websites where good examples of a wide range of Tyed Flies can be found? One with good color pictures would be great to see the nuances of a well-tyed fly.

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To : Keith Harkins Take a look at  www.popularfishingflies.com More pictures will be added soon, over 470 different pattern. All high quality flies tied on Mustad  quality hooks . One of The Best Prices on the Net. Regards Popular Fishing Flies Robert Lindberg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know websites where good examples of a wide range of Tyed Flies can be found? One with good color pictures would be great to see the nuances of a well-tyed fly.

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        I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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All hatchery trout should be planted, preferably in dirt. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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Are you planting the heads UP or DOWN ???? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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Comparaduns are a style of fly, i.e. no hackle, and the Hendrickson is a particular design to match either the Ephemerella subvaria as a Light Hendrickson, or the Ephemerella X , as the dark pattern. Check Al Caucci’s homepage at www.mayfly.com for comparadun info he invented the things. jg

Caucci may have coined the term "comparadun," but I believe the style of fly (no hackle with hair wing) was developed by Fran Betters as the "Haystack."  Either way, it’s a pattern that works when standard Catskill ties don’t. Michael

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Comparaduns are a style of fly, i.e. no hackle, and the Hendrickson is a particular design to match either the Ephemerella subvaria as a Light Hendrickson, or the Ephemerella X , as the dark pattern. Check Al Caucci’s homepage at www.mayfly.com for comparadun info he invented the things. jg

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I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.  Preferably the patterns will be relative to the Michigan/Great Lakes region and the recipes will also come with tying instructions.  I realize that this may sound a little demanding but I am very much a novice fly tyer. I would also be forever grateful. thanx. NEWFISHBOY  

Post this same message to: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying B.

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 I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good  recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.

Those are in many of the soft-bound books on the market.  Check your local flyshop.

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I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.  Preferably the patterns will be relative to the Michigan/Great Lakes region and the recipes will also come with tying instructions.  I realize that this may sound a little demanding but I am very much a novice fly tyer. I would also be forever grateful. thanx. NEWFISHBOY  

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Keywords: Chile or Peru Hot Spots Re:Fly Fisihing in Peru or Chile. I am going to these countries next week and would like to do some fly fishing.  Anyone know of som hot spots?

I have a good friend in Santiago, Chile who owns a store called Fly Shop Ltda. He has many contacts with different fishing camps and lodges throughout Chile.  The best thing is to send him a fax with any questions or request and he will respond promptly.   Gonzalo Cortes de la Cerda Av. Manquehue Norte 1260 Santiago Chile Phone Fax  011-56-2-2018571   Good Luck!! Chile is a Great Place!!                       Marcos Vergara                       Fly & Field, Inc.                       1-800-328-9753

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Re:Fly Fisihing in Peru or Chile. I am going to these countries next week and would like to do some fly fishing.  Anyone know of som hot spots?

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I don’t really understand what your saying. Are you saying that you don’t want people to sell directly to the public or are you saying that this guy is an idiot by advertising cheep flies? How much do you spend on flies, total and for each one? TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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Amen, my brother!

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John, Do you have Al Rogers’ telephone number? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wanted to let the group know of an inexpensive source for mail order files.  He is Al Rogers, Box 297, Etowah, N.C. 28729.  Al sells about 30 kinds of flies in various sizes, including most of the old standards, and every fly is $0.85 each.  You get an order form, send it in with your check, and get the flies about three weeks later.  The flies are nicely tied and very satisfactory.  I have been buying his flies for about 3 years now. I don’t have anything to do with Al’s business, but just wanted to pass this information on to anyone interested.  If others have their own sources for inexpensive mail-order flies, I’d love to hear about it!  Perhaps they sell a type that Al doesn’t. To the purists, sorry, but I get pretty bored churning out umpty-ump gray nymphs or whatever.  I pretty much limit my tying to "fun" flies or saltwater flies nowadays.

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Great. Decent flies at .85 a pop. Lemme see now, Um, Blah Blah Blah, I wanted to let the group know of an inexpensive source for mail order files.  He is Al Rogers, Box 297, Etowah, N.C. 28729.  Al sells about 30 kinds of flies in various sizes, including most of the old standards, and every fly is $0.85 each.  You get an order form, send it in with your check, and get the flies about three weeks later.  The flies are nicely tied and very satisfactory.  I have been buying his flies for about 3 years now.

Hmm,  My hooks cost me, ohh 10 to 15 cents a pop, thread costs x, Decent feathers cost y, and umm, my time is worth nothing, so , ,   If I tied pro, I could undercut this guy, by say, um 20% to my local shop, they tack on 50 points to cover themselves when only half of ‘em sell, they almost break even, , ,   Umm, so I could, by tying 5 dozen a couple of times a week, starting out with a couple of hundred bucks, , ,    be broke in only 2 months.  Great! Hey, I got no problem with a fellow selling direct. Thats how he earns his keep and no doubt his flies are great. Do the rest of the folk out there a favor. If you don’t want to tie yer own. Be aware what it takes to turn a buck in this trade.   I shell out bucks fer flies, I got no problem with it. Usually they are tied by someone who cares, sold by someone who likes to sell that sort of stuff to someone who likes to fish. Hey, even if the flies are tied in Kenya, at least its flies I’m buyin and not elephant ivory. If thats how Kenya wants to make a buck more power to ‘em. Wish others would follow suit.   What is wrong with a shop keep turning a buck???

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I wanted to let the group know of an inexpensive source for mail order files.  He is Al Rogers, Box 297, Etowah, N.C. 28729.  Al sells about 30 kinds of flies in various sizes, including most of the old standards, and every fly is $0.85 each.  You get an order form, send it in with your check, and get the flies about three weeks later.  The flies are nicely tied and very satisfactory.  I have been buying his flies for about 3 years now. I don’t have anything to do with Al’s business, but just wanted to pass this information on to anyone interested.  If others have their own sources for inexpensive mail-order flies, I’d love to hear about it!  Perhaps they sell a type that Al doesn’t. To the purists, sorry, but I get pretty bored churning out umpty-ump gray nymphs or whatever.  I pretty much limit my tying to "fun" flies or saltwater flies nowadays.

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I’ll keep this short & sweet.   We’re just learning to fly fish. We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May. We’d prefer not to need waders.  We’d prefer not to drive too far from the Bay Area. It’s not crucial that we actually Catch Fish, but it would be more fun if we thought we had at least some tiny chance of doing so. I thought about the American R. in Sacramento, but don’t know the shoreline. Is it possible to fish w/o waders?  Are there some clear, non-brushy areas where we won’t get too many snags on the back cast? I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it. I know a nice wide open gravel-banked stretch of the McCloud river, but that’s a pretty hefty drive. Any advice, tips, etc? Thanks Mark

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We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May.

Mark, The water’s not moving, and you surely won’t catch fish, but a good place to practice casting is at the casting pools in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. There are generally plenty of expert casters hanging around the pools who are willing to offer casting advice to beginners. It doesn’t take the place of actually being astream, but it’s quite convenient… Fred —         Fred L. Templin

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(Mark Hurwitz) writes: I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it

Weelll, isn’t that special?:) I’m so happy Mark and his friend are adding flyfishing to their collectoin of really cool things to do. I don’t suppose Mark will be arriving at streamside in a late model BMW now will he? It’s FISHING, Mark, you’re supposed to get wet, and tangled up in "brushey areas which snag the backcast".  All I can say is: good luck, and don’t leave home w/out your american express card. P. Dundon

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I will be at a meeting at NIST in Boulder CO on Wed, June 9, and may stay over for fly fishing in the nearby area for Thu through Sat June 10-12.  Any recommendations for rivers, hatches, flys, and fly fishing shops would be most welcome.         — Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim)        Physicist, Artificial Intelligence 1 River Road                    Phone: (518)387-5920 Schenectady, NY 12301           Fax:   (518)387-6845

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Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. Good luck on the fishing. ron lipasek

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Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. Good luck on the fishing. ron lipasek

The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? Bryan Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that! Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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| | I will be at a meeting at NIST in Boulder CO on Wed, June 9, and may stay | over for fly fishing in the nearby area for Thu through Sat June | 10-12.  Any recommendations for rivers, hatches, flys, and fly fishing | shops would be most welcome. | |   — Jim Comly | | Dr. James B. Comly (Jim)        Physicist, Artificial Intelligence | 1 River Road                    Phone: (518)387-5920 | Schenectady, NY 12301           Fax:   (518)387-6845 I’m sorry to say James, but all of the rivers in the area are muddy and swollen and will be for at least another 3 weeks according to the local experts. The nearest lakes with good fishing are 2.5-3 hours from Boulder. If you are intersted in this let me know. Sorry for the bad news. Dan Baldwin

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| Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the | best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info | on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). | | You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams | are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below | Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. | | Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. | | Good luck on the fishing. | | ron lipasek | | The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some | kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out | "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? | | Bryan | | Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death. |               It is much more important than that! | Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. | Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     | P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without | Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after. I heard nothing about this and as a matter of fact fished on the Big Thompson earlier this year. I had my license checked by a local fish and game warden and talked to him for a half an hour about the river; he said nothing about any fish kill. Also, I caught several fish that afternoon , size wise they seemed about average compared to the other fish I have caught on this river over the last 10 years. Dan Baldwin

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: The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some : kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out : "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? : Bryan         The fish kill was less than a mile of the river.  It was also below the canyon.  It did kill pretty much all the trout in that section, but did not affect the whole river.  Last I heard they never did figure out what caused it.  It may have been some jerk who poured some contaminant in the water at the Sylvan Dale bridge.         We went up the canyon last weekend and the water was pretty clear and lots of people fishing.  With the warm weather this could have changed. The Poudre is definitely high and muddy. Craig Bryant Hewlett Packard Ft. Collins, CO 80526

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some : kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out : "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? : Bryan    The fish kill was less than a mile of the river.  It was also below the canyon.  It did kill pretty much all the trout in that section, but did not affect the whole river.  Last I heard they never did figure out what caused it.  It may have been some jerk who poured some contaminant in the water at the Sylvan Dale bridge.    We went up the canyon last weekend and the water was pretty clear and lots of people fishing.  With the warm weather this could have changed. The Poudre is definitely high and muddy. Craig Bryant Hewlett Packard Ft. Collins, CO 80526

Craig, Thanks for the confirmation/clarification.  I thought maybe my hallucination spells had started up again. Bryan

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