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Say Lou, yesterday I stopped in the LLBean outlet in Perryville.   I got to chatting with one of the staff there about fly fishing, where I go, etc. Happened to mention Penns Creek & the ROFF clave.   He says there was just a guy in there recently who mentioned an upcoming trip to Penns with some internet group.  Was that you, or just a coincidence? Joe F. (Damn near bought some new waders, but managed to get out with my wallet intact.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers. Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report.

Actually, just a slow circular route. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’

Lest you give them the idea that I was heroic, I did have to meet up with Handyman Mike at the newly-arrived trailer. Plus, I told the camp ownership that I would settle up current finances(actually got money back, somehow) and finally Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

John, John, John!!! Now, if you will remember, through the haze, I have a new, improved fishing car. I won’t cease to be safe until 2003 sometime. I will, of course drive it until about 2005.                                    thanks for the kind words, though                                      Tom

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Mighta been me. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Howdy All     Got my trailer down to Hemlock Acres Friday. Winds were wipping me and it all over the hiway 50 MPH max speed most of trip hell i went faster on rte 880 from Carroll to Millhiem. For those comming from the east i don’t think they will be done with construction by clave time. 84 east and west construction free. Around Scranton construction here and there on 81 south maybe they will make it a three lane prepare to go speed limit maybe slower. 80 east and west construction in the old exit 31a and b areas single lane for 4 miles all in all not a bad ride.     All you guys staying at the Cherry Run (aka N.C.Cabin) bring your tents cabin burnt to the ground last week. ( just kidding) Dave have a good trip to Coburn in April.     Handyman   Mike

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’ Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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@slb3.atl.mindspring.net: Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

Count me and Joe for two tents for the duration–at least until about thursday.  I might have one more tent for the beginning of the trip, and Andy Cooper will join us sometime.  He sleeps in his voyager. Is the meadow flatter than 75?  Maybe we should take that and forget 75.  I think we can only fit 4 or 5 tents there.  Are there any issues that aren’t coming into play here?  How far is the meadow to the bathroom? Scott

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

ditto….. you da claveman tom…. you da claveman. –wally

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What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.

Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:     All in all, things look pretty promising so far  Tom L (snipped a great report)

Thanks for the update Tom.I can hardly wait! Regards,Flypaint(Shawn)

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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The "real" answer would of course come from what kind of race would they run?  A sprint would of course favor the lighter/quicker boat. Unless of course I could get my mitts on that Champ.  Give me the same amount of money the guy spent on the Yamahammer and I could make that 203 leave him gagging on exhaust fumes from the start.  (Hello, Mr. Raypair?) Given the situation, I’d much rather prefer the 203 over the Skeet, tournament situations dictate performance over sometimes less than pristine conditions, and that 203 will leave the Skeet in rough water every time. But that’s what makes horse races fun to watch, right?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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I would bet on the 250 for the hole shot and up to maybe 4000 RPM.  4-5000 would probably be a wash.  The tweeked 150 would probably get it’s extra horsepower via RPM and at top end, it wins.  Remember a horseposer is 550 pounds moved 1 foot in one second.  So It is a function of torque times RPM. The torque is greater on the bigger engine, but the RPM is lower for the same torque on a bigger engine. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to be the devil’s advocate, I would have to say that this question is unanswerable. There are too many variables. Horsepower and weight alone don’t provide enough information. What about the power curve and torque output? But, if I was betting, I’d bet on the 150hp tuned to 250hp… — Citizen Fisherman If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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Craig, You would need a little more information bubba. It would depend on several factors before I could make a judgment. First, what 150 would you start with, and compared to what 250? Some 150’s lend themselves to modification better than others.  "Porting" and "Polishing" is a misleading term with a two stroke engine.  Example: a chrome bore Merc is really difficult to do much port work with, while a Yamaha does lend itself greatly to machine work. I’ve gotten close to 250 out of both Mercs and Yamahas, and they were two completely different motors in the way they ran.  Just judging them on bottom end acceleration from a dead stop, the Yamaha would have eaten the Merc alive, but the Merc would have caught it soon enough. What hull you put these motors on would again make a big difference, the cubic inches and power curve built into the stock ECU’s of the 250’s would probably lend themselves to a quicker hole shot, but again a hard call to make sitting here. Now, if it were me, and I had that "150" on a light 17′ boat which was rated for that 150, we’ve got something that works pretty well….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The hush project from Harley is the new V-Rod engine.  It went public this summer. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Warren my man, Bass & Walleye had an article last year, and I will try and find it (month) about porting and polishing a 150 and with that alone it was pushing close to 225 hp., and they said with one more simple thing – and I can’t remember off the top of my head, it would be pushing 235 hp.  I was told that 300 hp wouldn’t be possible. But I was also told by this same mechanic that a 250 could be made to push 500 hp or more.  I won’t mention this gentleman’s name, but he was part of the Jeff Gordon’s Race Team and now is working on a hush project for Harley Davison and his brother is a member of this NG.  As I was told, if you can dream it, he can make it a reality (if you have enoough money!) — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The stock boat would probably be stronger out of the hole. RichZ

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Greetings.  I am new to this group, and have recently begun taking an interest in fishing streams and rivers after years of fishing lakes for bass, walleye, pike, etc.  Particularly, I am interested in trout and steelhead, and other such fish.  However, being that I am not very familiar with the local streams and rivers, information is scarce, and I have little time to do any real, meaningful leg-work, I do not know where to look for these fish on local waters. Hence, I would like to inquire if anyone has any knowledge on the subject. As described, I am looking for information on where to look for trout, steelhead, and the like in rivers and streams in NE Ohio, either on a fly or other tackle; the closer to Cleveland, the better. I realize that there has been extensive stocking of these fish in years past in the Chagrin and Rocky rivers.  However, quite often, these rivers are hard to fish due to crowding.  I have heard, thought, that there are some excellent spots which, due to being hard to reach, are very easy to fish. Anyhow, back to the question.  Do you know of any particular areas in any of the waters of NE Ohio which are likely to hold fish?  I am not asking anyone to give up a "secret hole" or anything of that nature.  However, I would be grateful if anyone could recommend a specific area on any of the regional waters which have a high propensity to hold the aforementioned fish. Thank you for any information you can provide.  Also, if my writing has been may be able to better answer my question. Ron

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Greetings.  I am new to this group, and have recently begun taking an interest in fishing streams and rivers after years of fishing lakes for bass, walleye, pike, etc.  Particularly, I am interested in trout and steelhead, and other such fish.

Try this site:  http://www.FishUSA.com/FishErie/ vince norris

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you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave? Orvis. 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x.  Wouldn’t leave home without it.

hilarious. for a while i thought flourocarbon was the only way to go there, even for near surface fishing.  now i think it depends upon the conditions, but i’m still trying to figure out *which* conditions warrant using flourocarbon.  i know it’s superb for nymphing the faster water and you can use 4x and 5x no problem. that stuff is just so expensive, i call it an investment in tippet.  i’ll be packing 0x thru 10x nanocarbon and fishing dave’s new midge patterns, so i’m not too worried bruce h ps if you’ve sent me an sj related email – i haven’t been able to get to my email for a week or so.  i’ll reply soon — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Bruiser writes: i’ll be packing 0x thru 10x nanocarbon and fishing dave’s new midge patterns, so i’m not too worried bruce h

*My* new midge patterns!  I thought I was gonna use *your* new midge patterns. <g   Dave LaCourse

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Ditto.

I will get mine out Monday A.M. Ain’t postal service priority one a great service. Big Dale

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In today’s mail… jal

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

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Sorry this was supposed to be an email!! Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

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Walt, Got the reel from you yesterday. It’s replacing a Cortland Rimfly that I wore out. It seems to be MUCH better quality. The rod Steve made for me also came. To try and say thanks, I’m going to tie up a shitload of flies for him. I know you fish with him frequently.  Steve just posted a number of his favorite flies, so I have a good start. If you think of some other patterns and sizes that are good for the places he fishes, I’d appreciate it. Willi

Willi, I’m glad you like the reel…. I use mine quite a bit. Yesterday, on the banks of Steve’s new home water, the Watauga River, he mentioned that he had sent you a cane…. if you ask me, he has a heart of gold. The best fly for Steve’s holding place on the Watauga, a big ‘ole granite boulder he likes to perch on, is, well, a round brown fly, possibly size 16. I can best say that it would imitate a…. uhmmm, well a purina trout chow pellet <g Seriously, do you remember those real small emergers you sent me a while back? THOSE WORK GREAT!!!  I have, by my own admission, been reluctant to share those with anyone being the drsob that I am. However, considering that it is the Holiday Season, a time for sharing, I’ll confess that those durn little buggers are terrific! Have fun on the juan….. Walt

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants?  Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?

Raffle ‘em off. Whomever correctly guesses which roffians weaseled out wins. /daytripper (Got mah suspicions at the ready, already ;^)

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?

     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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I agree…this should be one of the benefits for being a swap miester Ed B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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: If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the : rest of the flies?   Send ‘em to me! For that, I’d gladly put up with being proclaimed the "ROFF moocher of the year" Of course, LaPlac’s already gonna call me that once I meet him on the Juan…you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave? (No, I didn’t bail out — I never signed up, but would gladly be the beneficiary of y’all’s hard work tying all those flies…) JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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PC, Ditto, Mine will leave Mon. AM HT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same here. Rather tight schedule at the moment, but Saturday evening is set aside for the swap flies. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants? Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. keep ‘em – you did all the work. Peter

ditto for me also…. keep the extras Chris. walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Jon Cook writes: Send ‘em to me! For that, I’d gladly put up with being proclaimed the "ROFF moocher of the year" Of course, LaPlac’s already gonna call me that once I meet him on the Juan…you bringin’ flourocarbon, Dave?

Orvis. 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x.  Wouldn’t leave home without it.  Got some flies too, ones that will work and probably ain’t never been seen by those Juanian fishies.  20s, 22s, 24s.  <g  Got some surprises for Bruiser, too.  And, I’ll be packin industrial strength Zantac (150mG tablets) – you could eat in T-town with them.   Dave L.

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Same here. Rather tight schedule at the moment, but Saturday evening is set aside for the swap flies. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?  If only 20 folks actually participate, would I send out 20 flies each, leaving over 200 flies?  Can we use them for a raffle, or should I just divvy up the extra’s among the fly swap participants? Sell them on Ebay for my house payment, or what? <g Also, I purchased 30 surprises for the swap members, maybe we could use those for a raffle or something if less than 30 folks show up, as well? Advice from past Swapmeister’s would be appreciated, but will not be remunerated. <g — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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Any bets on how many times he gets hooks himself sorting all those flies?

None. Willi

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Thirded.  Keep some and donate some either to a ‘clave or give them to your local TU or FFF chapter for fundraising.  If that doesn’t work, just send them to me<g.  I’ll share with the other Massachusetts ROFFians, honest I will<g. –Stan (glad I don’t have to sort 900 flies next week)

Any bets on how many times he gets hooks himself sorting all those flies? Paul

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Thirded.  Keep some and donate some either to a ‘clave or give them to your local TU or FFF chapter for fundraising.  If that doesn’t work, just send them to me<g.  I’ll share with the other Massachusetts ROFFians, honest I will<g. –Stan (glad I don’t have to sort 900 flies next week) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree…this should be one of the benefits for being a swap miester Ed B If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?      I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute. I second that.  It’s a pain sorting and shipping them all out. If you feel guilty you could pack up half for a Clave raffle and keep the rest. Willi

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Pad, You will receive my flies.. I tmay be right at the deadline, but you’ll get em. edwin

Ditto. Wolfgang

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Chris, It has been crazy here.  I will be sending out my flies Monday. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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If I do *not* receive 30 sets of flies from 30 folks, what do I do with the rest of the flies?     I say you keep them. I just got back from shipping mine, sorry I waited until the last minute.

keep ‘em – you did all the work.   Peter

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Has anyone fished the San Juan river in mid October? How was it ? Was the weather good? Where did you stay and would you recommend it? Thanks in advance for any  information.

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I’ve been there a couple of times in October. I like to stay at Abe’s. The weather is unpredictable in October. One time it was in the 70’s and beautiful. The other time it rained two days and snowed the other two. Neither should keep you from fishing.

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Hey Tree Skier (great handle, just make sure you baseball cap is on backwards so you don’t hit any branches). October is one of the best months to fish the san juan.  There are a couple of other threads discussing our upcoming trip there in december. Hate to sound like a broken record, but go to http://www.ifly4trout.com and read everything.  it has basically everything you need to know. bruce h Before you buy.

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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Try a LA Habor trick, They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the birds can’t stand on it. I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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I had the same problem in my old three story house. Instead of a BB gun I used my sons’ Super Soaker squirt gun. It worked OK for a while – they seemd to know when I was gone and planned their activities accordingly. Mark Molnar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

I had a similar problem with the house I bought a few months ago. The blame could be put on the previous owner, who neighbors told me, fed the pigeons. There are a couple of solutions, you can do them yourself or hire a professional (Look under "Bird Control" or "Pest Control" in the yellow pages). – You can put down spikes in strategic locations. – You can put up netting. – You can live trap (OK, the trap catches them alive, but due to – pigeons’ homing instincts you can’t just let them go, so they have   to be killed). http://www.flybye.com/ sells supplies. I went with a local pest control company that put up spikes and netting and tried to live trap. The live trap didn’t work for me; in fact the pigeons had no respect for it as they would walk all over it, but not go in it. It wasn’t cheap to have it done for me: $400 for the spikes and netting (on a 1.5 story house), and $140 for trapping. For a few weeks the spikes and netting only seemed to work a little. A neighbor recommended putting rubber snakes on the roof. I bought a couple of rubber snakes, but I never did get around to putting them on the roof as after a few weeks the pigeon visitation stopped. Another alternative that I thought of was making the roof accessible to cats. I have a few and there are plenty of neighbor cats. I thought of some designs for "cat ladders" but I never had the need to construct one. — Doug Rudoff

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

A couple of cat would discourage them, particularly if you don’t overfeed them. Otherwise, cover all entrances with 1" poultry netting (aka chicken wire); if they’re nesting in louvers or something on the outside, cover those as well (the wire will be virtually invisible from a distance). Place a radio up there blasting heavy metal or rap at full volume, if it won’t bother your neighbors. Scatter around a few handfulls of moth balls. I’m at my Wit’s end here.

I’ve always wanted to build a street named "Wit", terminating in a cul-de-sac… Gary — "It’s like complaining if wood has grains in it. Wood does have grains in it, and it is still beautiful."  Apple VP Phil Schiller, trying to explain away cracks in the Apple G4 Cube as being "mold marks".

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: Try a LA Habor trick, : They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that : the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it : and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the : ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. : Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very : well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the : birds can’t stand on it. : I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) : John

: When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen : pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: : removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board : with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to : scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? : : I’m at my Wit’s end here. : : Thanks. These sound like good ways which DON’T involve killing. No need to do that. —

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Greetings all, I am planning on taking my son on some fishing trips here in the next few weeks; he is relatively young and just starting in fishing.  We are planning on going to the South-East corner of Minnesota for the trips but we are somewhat new to the area and not familiar with the rivers and streams.  I would like to find a river or stream that we camp nearby for a night or two and that he can fish in while I can also do some fly fishing (preferable within walking distance of the camp.) Does anyone know of any places like this in the area that they could recommend to us?  We would greatly appreciate any information that we get. Thanks….

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… Does anyone know of any places like this in the area that they could recommend to us? …

Whitewater State Park. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hey, Sounds like you’ve found a niche.  I could recommend a couple of fly shops that I know quite well from my fishing experience.  I am not sure on the business details, but i’m a finance major and a quick learner.  I’ve grown up in Miami and fishing is my lifeline.   Write Back and tell me more maybe i can help TarponRoto

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 We are tying flies in Thailand ! And we are looking for a serious distributor of our flies : we have been tying flies since 1949(and are the first company to use CDC feathers for fly tying) We are using exclusivelly Daiichi Hooks… wich we can sell at arr. 30 $ per thousand. We have also CDC at 350 to 450 $ per lbs. We have experienced tiers who use to work for Umpqua before joining our company ( We do not intend to copy Umpqua flies) Our requirements : 500 to 1,000 dozens orders ! happy to find out good tyiers who can set up an exclusive American collection our fax : 66.53.260.546…or E mail

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We are tying flies in Thailand !… there is a good reason to that… and even more than one !….. -We have got the Daiichi hooks at a very good price… we can sell them at 30 $ per thousand – We have experienced fly tiers… who worked with Umpqua before joining us ! -We do have all the CDC we want … and we sell it at 350 to 350 $ per lbs. We are looking for a serious distributor, we can work on a package price basis …arr. 6$ per doz. We also want to find out good fly tiers who could create with us an American Collection Christian  ION

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I’d like to come along on the next cruise if I could please, for the food if  nothing else! Sounds wonderful, and what short cruising is all about. Peggy Carr

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The penultimate weekend of our sailing season was glorious. With no guests scheduled, we thought to anchor out Saturday night under the cliffs of Upper Nyack, in the Tappan Zee. Saturday morning began with a visit to the Union Square Greenmarket for provisions. For the trip, we came away with a piece of codfish, cooking and salad tomatoes, onion, Rocambole garlic, purple Anaheim pepper and a yellow one from an untagged basket, salad greens I don’t even know the names of, and little yellow-fleshed fingerling potatoes. We got off the dock at 1110. The tide was on the second half of the flood, running north at 1.5 kts near the marina(just south of the Holland Tunnel), with slack in about two to three hours. The slack travels north, getting to Tarrytown over an hour later. The wind was south, extremely light. With the main bairly keeping steerageway, we hoisted our half-ounce chute. 1,000 square feet of almost-imaginary gossamer nylon, it filled and lifted immediately. It would draw the boat close to the speed of the wind, so any fluctuation in wind strength would cause it to sag, but it kept us going a little faster than the tide. 1210 At the 79th Street boat basin, a northeast breeze came up, about 10 kts. Chute down, jib up, sheeted to rail outside lifelines. This made it possible to make and handle sandwiches. Farm-grown atlantic salmon with horseradish mayonnaise and capers on sourdough. I patched a small hole I had seen while the chute was flying. This old sail (1984) has about half a dozen small tape patches and two larger ones sewn by a sailmaker, all before we owned the boat. Still with the jib at Spuyten Duyvil, and Osprey with a fish crossed our bow heading west to the Jersey shore. A Greater Black Back gull harrassed the osprey all the way, trying to get it to drop the fish. This is common Bald Eagle behavior, and eagles do get away with it. The gull, impressive as it is, is no eagle and the osprey held on, getting its fish to a tree on the Palisades. Meanwhile the NE wind was dying, and two more ospreys were fishing near Riverdale, the fancy section of the Bronx just north of Spuyten Duyvil. Splashes of fall color here and there on the Palisades. The southerly returned so quietly that we rehoisted the half ounce from the forward hatch, without bothering to repack it in stops. This was nearly successful, but the sail caught on the pole lift where it enters the mast. I had to let out a few inches on both the halyard and the pole lift to get it free. No damage. 1430 passed Yonkers pier. Wind picking up, still from the south. The flood is dying out but the wind now more than makes up for it. The land starts moving by. We do a very messy spinnaker gybe right off Hastings Boat Club, very emabrrassing. A perfect one near Irvington. Lots of sailboats in this part of the river. 1510 under the Tappan Zee Bridge. About 8 miles in 40 minutes. Another gybe went well, and we were almost euphoric. We wanted to go on forever, but know it gets dark early. Running downwind in the summer would be quite unpleasant, with sweat pouring into my eyes. The temperature was just right on Saturday. My sunglasses did fog up about 3 times, however. We dropped sails off Upper Nyack, where we planned to anchor. The current was ebbing quite strongly by this time, the slack having caught and passed us. The southerly was quite strong. THe combination makes anchoring a little tricky, although the holding ground here is perfect, medium clay. By letting the boat lose way completely and drift, we can get out one anchor without wrapping the keel. The wind was overcoming the ebb, so we set the south anchor, a 5-kg Bruce, first. Then, at the end of the rode, we set the Fortress FX-16 to the north. Then, two 12-lb kellets went down, hooked around both rodes, keeping them together below the keel. For cocktails we enjoyed chevre and cold-smoked trout, both from local farms that come to the greenmarket. A bottle of Gruet, a bubbly from New Mexico that we like very much, with a pair of fine crystal champagne flutes that we only use alone, and in a non-bouncy place. For dinner, the codfish, cooked in a bed of peppers, onion, plum tomatoes (blanched in the potato water , peeled and seeded) and fingerling potatoes went well with a Chardonnay, 1965 from Hogue Cellars in Oregon. Everything but the wine from the greenmarket. The temperature remained unseasonably warm through a perfect evening, with no mosquitos. After we hit the sack, it rained occasionally through the night. In the morning, it was misty, dead calm, and the tide was against us. After a late breakfast we weighed anchor and motored south. Without the concentration the spinnaker required the day before, we enjoyed a blaze of fall color, most intense from Piermont to  the 41st parallel, which we toasted with Cream Stout. It (the parallel) was right where we had left it, and all was right with the world, except for wind. We enjoyed the scenery under power to south of the GW bridge. On the way, we saw a falcon fly north up the center of the river, more ospreys, red-tail hawks as well as the usual vultures at the top of the palisades. South of the bridge, a light southerly came up, and although the tide was still flooding slightly, we had only 5 miles to the marina. We set main and jib again, and had a delightful beat. We just kept going past the marina into the harbor, with the tide ebbing strongly. We encountered a friend (the one who went with us to Maine last month) on a J27 out of the Chelsea Piers sailing school. We tried to circumnavigate Governors Island, but straight downwind in the Buttermilk channel wasn’t making it. We had to power into the 2.9-kt current briefly. Then back to the marina. 20 years without a car, a TV, or a home page

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What do you folks out there make of this: A couple of weeks ago I went fishing on a blue ribbon stream that is notoriously difficult to catch fish on. On said stream there are two productive holes that are about 50 yards apart.  On different occasions I have caught fish out of either hole but never very many, although some were good sized.  The last time I went there I was in the upper hole and another guy was in the lower. I looked down and saw him catching huge fish on almost every cast. Now I am a pretty good fishman and have a good idea about what I’m doing but I wasn’t even gettting any bites.  Finally I got frustrated watching this guy catch fish after fish so I went and asked him what he was using.  He told me and I tied an identical fly and setup on my line. I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else had something like this happen?  

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: What do you folks out there make of this: : I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at : myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else : had something like this happen?   Was it a good pole?  Where is this hole? Seriously, though, I beleive that the action you give the fly is far more important than the pattern.  I’m beginning to believe that this is even truer for wet flies and nymphs than for drys.  What were you using? — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster

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