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Our family just exchanged a few gifts early. My daughter helps run a local zoo (great source for peacock feathers) and has to go in early Christmas morning to make sure all the animals are okay, so we won’t have our usual early AM gift swap. My youngest son gave me an organizer for my tying stuff that is *awesome* and wasn’t even on my list. It’s about 1/4 the size of Frank Reid’s box, so it is HUGE. Now I just have to go out and buy some more stuff to fill it. Looks like I’ll have to wrangle some more $$ by the time the fly fishing show comes to town. Back to bonding with the family and drinking a little toast to them – single malt, of course. I’ll tip my glass to you all as well. I’ve said it before, and at the risk of going maudlin I’ll say it again: I’ve gotten a great amount of information from this group over the past few years that has vastly improved my on-stream enjoyment and performance, and I appreciate every bit of it. I’ve also met some people I’d never have met without ROFF, and would have been a poorer man for not meeting them. — TL, Tim

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. I’ll tip my glass to you all as well. I’ve said it before, and at the risk of going maudlin I’ll say it again: I’ve gotten a great amount of information from this group over the past few years that has vastly improved my on-stream enjoyment and performance, and I appreciate every bit of it. I’ve also met some people I’d never have met without ROFF, and would have been a poorer man for not meeting them. — TL, Tim

    well, maudlin is a word for people who can’t feel what you have just expressed.  of course, that is just an opinion from yfitons wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Yes, that’s the one.  The part I’m trying to remember is the way he attached the turning wheel to the small gear that sticks out of the motor.  My motor has a gear that’s only about 1/4 inch in diameter, so there isn’t much to work with.  Maybe I need to epoxy this to a larger item like the pulley Sandy suggested. Thanks Chas What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

Fix underscore in address to reply If you are referring to the turner on the bookend then its the one I made. I didnt post the pictures to ABPF but put them on my website. I have since taken those down but can send the pictures to you if you like. What I used to attach the foam wheel to the motor was a short piece of tubing. I epoxyed the tubing to the foam and just slip it on the the motor shaft. My motor shaft was smooth however, and it was 1/4" O.D. It didnt have a gear on the end. So I am not sure if the tubing will stay put your motor shaft. On this one it works great however. I didnt want to glue the tubing to the motor because it gives me the ability to change the wheel if I want. I hope this help. Good luck. Walter

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It’s one inch PVC.  He (Haag) was telling me he had it in a FF magazine article.  Maybe some one in this NG has seen it.  Sure worked slick. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one.  My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end.  All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag.  He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten.  Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe.   An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe.  Another end cap butting against the last end cap.  A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage.  A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe.  A support as needed.  Don’t glue the pipes together.  You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn.   He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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Did a quick search.  The tyer’s name is John Haag.  His number is (631) 286-2148.  He ties at the North eastern shows.  I saw him at College Park, MD,  Somerset, NJ, and ashton, PA.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one.  My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end.  All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag.  He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten.  Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe.   An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe.  Another end cap butting against the last end cap.  A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage.  A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe.  A support as needed.  Don’t glue the pipes together.  You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn.   He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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Yes, yours was the one I was looking for.  Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment.  My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase.

perhaps this will help? http://192.41.19.35/austin/swedish.wav Mu

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I guess I left myself open for that one. Thanks Mu, Chas Yes, yours was the one I was looking for.  Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment.  My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase. perhaps this will help? http://192.41.19.35/austin/swedish.wav Mu

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I guess I left myself open for that one. Chas

Nothing personal.  I was just trying to beat Wolfgang and Charlie to the punch Mu

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No luck here either. A hint in the form of the post numbers with photo attachments would be great.  ….Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them?  I cannot access any photos. Mu Hi Mu, Same here.  And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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Folks, I have just posted 3 pics of a fly turner at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. Tarpon10

No luck here either. A hint in the form of the post numbers with photo attachments would be great.  ….Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them?  I cannot access any photos. Mu Hi Mu, Same here.  And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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I put some (home made turner) images at: http://montana-riverboats.com/pages/pages.php?page_title=Glue_Turner

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That’s why I couldn’t find it. Yes, yours was the one I was looking for.  Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment.  My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase. Thanks for your help. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are referring to the turner on the bookend then its the one I made. I didnt post the pictures to ABPF but put them on my website. I have since taken those down but can send the pictures to you if you like. What I used to attach the foam wheel to the motor was a short piece of tubing. I epoxyed the tubing to the foam and just slip it on the the motor shaft. My motor shaft was smooth however, and it was 1/4" O.D. It didnt have a gear on the end. So I am not sure if the tubing will stay put your motor shaft. On this one it works great however. I didnt want to glue the tubing to the motor because it gives me the ability to change the wheel if I want. I hope this help. Good luck. Walter

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner.  I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures.  I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

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Was it RW who designed it?

I think it was.  He was answering questions on it this evening. You will have to wait until he wakes up. (or does he ever wake up?) George

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Hi, If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Regards

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner.  I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures.  I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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…Then fire that baby up and let ‘er rip…

…at 3 rpm. — TBone The Halfordian Golfer

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner.  I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures.  I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it?

I don’t have photos of my turner. I’ll make some this evening. I went to the local electrical supply store (where electricians buy their boxes and fixtures) and bought a low-rpm (6 rpm I believe) gear motor, for $25. I mounted that onto an angle bracket with nuts and bolts. I drilled three 1/8" holes into the rim of a 3" pulley. I put the pulley onto the shaft of the gear motor. I cut the bottom off a 5 gallon drywall bucket, leaving a 4" rim. I drilled 3 holes in the bottom of the bucket that matched the holes in the metal pulley (that’s attached to the shaft of the motor). I glued 1/2" foam onto the outside of the 4" bucket rim. Works like a champ.

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If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/

Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them?  I cannot access any photos. Mu

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If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them?  I cannot access any photos. Mu

Hi Mu, Same here.  And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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There’s a tier with the last name of Haag.  He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten.  Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe.   An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe.  Another end cap butting against the last end cap.  A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage.  A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap  A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe.  A support as needed.  Don’t glue the pipes together.  You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn.   He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner.  I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures.  I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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Yes, that’s the one.  The part I’m trying to remember is the way he attached the turning wheel to the small gear that sticks out of the motor.  My motor has a gear that’s only about 1/4 inch in diameter, so there isn’t much to work with.  Maybe I need to epoxy this to a larger item like the pulley Sandy suggested. Thanks Chas What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

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I’m having a hard time visualizing this one.  My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end.  All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a tier with the last name of Haag.  He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten.  Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe.   An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe.  Another end cap butting against the last end cap.  A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage.  A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap   A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe.  A support as needed.  Don’t glue the pipes together.  You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn.   He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou

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Can you provide a picture of your motor? George

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one.  My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end.  All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag.  He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten.  Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe.   An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe.  Another end cap butting against the last end cap.  A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage.  A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe.  A support as needed.  Don’t glue the pipes together.  You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn.   He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner.  I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures.  I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it?

Not me. I’m a theoretician. P.S. Try pulleys ans O-rings. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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R.W.?  If you can send me a picture of your motor or post it on binaries, I may be able to explain how we do it.  I use a lot of these motors and maybe yours is the type that has a neat solution. George

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Not me. I’m a theoretician. P.S. Try pulleys ans O-rings. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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R.W.?  If you can send me a picture of your motor or post it on binaries, I may be able to explain how we do it.  I use a lot of these motors and maybe yours is the type that has a neat solution.

It’s all in the pulleys and the O-rings. Get the type of pulleys that lock down on the shaft with a screw, fitted as closely as possible to the shaft, and make the O-rings yourself, to size, with a little tension. Then fire that baby up and let ‘er rip. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I rented a felluca for day sailing. I think that it would be little trouble to get one for a fair cruise.

Excellent idea, and definitely in my style. —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org

I rented a felluca for day sailing. I think that it would be little trouble to get one for a fair cruise. It would avoid all the problems of a rich-looking yacht. I’d not worry too much about piracy or big-deal problems. It’s petty theft that gets you. — Bernard W. Joseph     http://www.appliedgrammar.com   "Speak to us of Emailia."    James Joyce    FINNEGANS WAKE

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Last month I sailed a felucca from Aswan to Edfu, so based on limited knowledge of this stretch of water:

Thanks Tony, yours was the kind of info I was looking for.  As to the political climate, those responses are taken in mind, and as expected. For my own purposes, however, the time I might be taking this cruise will be at least several years into the future, so I’ll hope that the political situation might change by then.  In any event, it’ll be taken into account whenever, and probably I’d get the opinion of the state dept. first. —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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A rich American cruising his flashy yacht in the Middle East…… Now THERE’s a TARGET of OPPORTUNITY for you. Hated by millions of Arabs because of our undying support for the Israeli War Machine…..tearing up Palestinians. Can you answer your own question?  PLEASE DON’T!

When I was in Egypt a quite few years ago (just after Egypt and Israel "normalized" relations) the average Egyptian on the street preferred Israeli money to Egyptian money for the small cash purchases.  And that was after a 10 to 1 devaluation of Israeli money. Things certainly may have changed in the past 20 years but back then they were very friendly to American tourists.  The only thing that had me feeling unsafe was the way they drive, especially in and around Cairo.  You probably heard about driving in Italy.  Cairo is much worse. Steve

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Oh, I think the average Egyptian is still "American friendly".  Most Arabs I ever met when I lived there were very pro-American and simply LOVED Yankee dollars.  However, times have changed, not the people. This Al Queda network is only one of many anti-American networks with supporters across a wide spectrum of Arab countries.  Bombs are going off almost every day, now. Flashing the big yacht in their faces, and all the cash that goes along with it, attracts attention.  Word is passed to the network from the supporters who will never see their own cars, much less a flashy yacht.  The damned thing is a great "target" and would be a prize on any terrorist’s list.  Egypt is eat up with anti-Israeli, and therefore anti-American, groups. It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance? Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it.

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Yotties are not tourists – we aren’t treated as tourists in most places, don’t use the same visas, don’t follow the same rules, processes, etc.  Most countries treat yotties same as commercial ships, fishing vessels, etc – crew lists, clearances, paid for visas, etc   They know we don’t stay in hotels, buy loads of tourist crap, spend big in restaurants, etc.  We’re not "respected" and "protected" in the same way at all.  We aren’t part of that industry. On Egypt – many cruising friends have transited the Suez and universally agreed (much to my disappointment) that Egypt is a miserable shithole of a country to cruise.  Big theft and bribe problems. They get through there as quickly as possible with as short and few stops as necessary. It’s much easier and safe to park the boat in Cypress in a marina and fly in/out of Egypt – as a respected and protected tourist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance? Personally, I don’t think it would be all that much of a chance.  At least compared to many other beautiful places people cruise to.  Egypt definitely had a problem a while ago with terrorists attacking visitors.  But from what I’ve heard, they cracked down on them pretty hard.  A large part of their economy is based on tourism, so there’s a big incentive to keep tourists safe. Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it. That’s just not true for the average person you meet in many Arab countries, including Egypt, especially Egypt. Steve

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[...] It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance?

Personally, I don’t think it would be all that much of a chance.  At least compared to many other beautiful places people cruise to.  Egypt definitely had a problem a while ago with terrorists attacking visitors.  But from what I’ve heard, they cracked down on them pretty hard.  A large part of their economy is based on tourism, so there’s a big incentive to keep tourists safe. Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it.

That’s just not true for the average person you meet in many Arab countries, including Egypt, especially Egypt. Steve

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Last month I sailed a felucca from Aswan to Edfu, so based on limited knowledge of this stretch of water: Draft limitation: most of the cruise boats had a draft of 4 feet or 4′ 6".  Our felucca had a centre board so that we could pull into the bank. Buoyage: Almost non existent.  There are shallows and a few rocks. Local knowledge desirable. Wind:  Prevailing wind in this Southern stretch is Northerly (i.e. against the stream) so one can tack North with the stream or run South against it. Height:  The bridge North of Aswan is not yet complete – awaiting the final span.  When finished this would restrict mast height to that of the big cruise boats (30 – 40 feet at a guess). Formalities: I don’t know details, but almost certainly Yes.  Our felucca captain had to advise the police of our trip. Pleasure:  Definitely!  We swam in the river (no crocs below the High Dam), saw water buffalo, ibises etc.  We found people universally friendly, although a strong feeling that America would do anything to support Israel to the detriment of Arab states. Tony Boas Sadler 34 – Bold Warrior – Southampton, UK.

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Irving Johnson did his "TwiLight" cruise through the canals of Europe and up the Nile just before the Aswan dam was complete. I have the video here and it looks like a nice cruise. His boat was about 50 ft and moderate draft (not over 5 ft or he wouldn’t have been able to do the canals of Europe). I went to Egypt for a visit back in the mid 80s while I was working in Saudi Arabia. There was no problem as long as you didn’t have any Israeli stamps in you passport. I would imagine the climate is rather hostle now-a-days. I’d be more worried about stopping in Alexandria or transiting the Red Sea and it wouldn’t be the Egyptions that i would be afraid of. My opinion and experience, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions

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A rich American cruising his flashy yacht in the Middle East…… Now THERE’s a TARGET of OPPORTUNITY for you. Hated by millions of Arabs because of our undying support for the Israeli War Machine…..tearing up Palestinians. Can you answer your own question?  PLEASE DON’T! larry I’d love to back to the Middle East where I lived and worked in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain.  But, not now.  Not after 9/11/2001, PLEASE DON"T! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —     Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography      Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

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What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

Just catching up on ROFF and noticed your post. You can get trout in the Mad River above Urbana off RT 68.  Go up there about 8-12 miles past Urbana and take one of many township roads that go left and cross over the Mad.  It is about 20-30 ft wide in this area and does hold trout in the smaller size range, mostly under 10 in.  They are a wary bunch and difficult to catch but they are there.  There is a certain hole up there that holds a number of over 12 in trout on a regular basis but I can’t remember off hand what the crossroad is, but could possibly look it up in my Ohio Gazetteer map which at this moment is in my truck, four floors down from my condo in Florida.  If you are going up there I could probably try to find that little mark on the map for you, let me know. Also,  try   http://www.madriveroutfitters.com/   They guide up there on a regular basis. Regards,  Jim McCreary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

gawdangit john, if feasible, yer ugly mug would be most welcome to accompany my equally, if not more so hideous self on a trout stream or two… or three. ya know the place, ya know da number… –waldo

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You guys REALLY need to get out more. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<<If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money. Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

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<<If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money. Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

Good idea. My guppies seem to be favoring a size 28 Adams, right now. Tim? Got any recipes?

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Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

Or catfishing. For cats, that is. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money.

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Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod.

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<<Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod. A 2X leader/tippet is good for #6 – 10 flies.  A 1X is good for #4 – 8.  You might try teither one; however, you should have little problem casting #6s with a 4 wt. as long as they are not heavily weighted.  Are we talking streamers here, or nymphs? Wooly Buggers?  Trout, bass?  A bigger rod would help (5 or 6wt), but I do not think that is your problem. Dave LaCourse

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bead head brindlebugs for steelhead, thanks for reply. Sounds like heavier tppet should wor even on 4 wt. rod

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Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right)  pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.  

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On some occasions, a leader with a thinner butt diameter is better.  When fishing downstream, the thinner leader allows your fly to stay downstream of the leader and fly line. tyler

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right)  pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.

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  Check in with North Country Anglers flyshop in N. Conway for conditions and great local flies.   The flyrod you mentioned is perfect for the Saco.  There will be clouds of black flies, but also some nice hatches.  Again, ask at the flyshop for what is hatching.  There’s also a bunch of other nice rivers in the area, the flyshop folks will tell you about them too. Have fun. Russ Gelinas

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Can anyone give me some info about the saco river and the fishing around the North Conway area? Im a keen trout fisherman (fly) from London UK and will be staying in North Conway in late June. I currently use a 10ft #5 Sage RPL+ – will this do? what sort of trout are there? what sort of hatches? can you fish the nymph? is there any other small lakes / rivers around that area? Please help if you can Thanks

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   I fished the upper Arkansas several years ago upstream of Buena Vista. I remember public access was limited but locals directed me to some public water accessed at a bridge just up the highway a few miles from Buena Vista that was fun.  I got a few nice ones and lots of small ones.  Ask around at the shops. -al

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I will be spending a week in the Upper Arkansas river valley Aug 5 – 10. Will be with Wife and three small kids (to small to Fly fish), so at best I’ll have an hour or two a day to fish.  Any advice on places to fish, flys to use and local shops to offer advice? Thanks for the help, Dan

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I will be spending a week in the Upper Arkansas river valley Aug 5 – 10. Will be with Wife and three small kids (to small to Fly fish), so at best I’ll have an hour or two a day to fish.  Any advice on places to fish, flys to use and local shops to offer advice? Thanks for the help, Dan

I went to the Arkansas this weekend, but north of Buena vista on Hwy. 24.  It was too cold and rainy to fish, and I was discouraged by an utter lack of public access to the river.  I believe that the Arkansas near Salida provides good fishing and more public access.  I think all the normal patterns will work in the summer… good luck, — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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Many rivers still high, but they are dropping as fast as they went up.   Extremely hot weather melted a lot of snow(still a lot to melt, though).   Big Hole is dropping 10-15% per day.  2′ viz at Melrose yesterday, and salmon flies are showing up down near the "Notch".  River is fishing fairly well with nymphs.  Madison is beginning to drop, too, and traditionally the Montana Power Company drops the Madison flows around the 3rd week of June and begins to fill Hebgen Lake.  Gallatin and Yellowstone are still a mess.  Yellowstone has done some serious damage to  DePuy’s and Armstrong’s Spring Creeks, but NOONE knows for sure how much until the river goes done.  I guess I am the eternal optimist, and I figure this flood is like the YNP fires of 1988.  It will be temporarily inconvenient for us humans, but I expect this event will be beneficial.   Talked to Bob Auger, DePuy’s riverkeeper, yesterday, and he is poised to begin work to rebuild the dam as quickly as the water comes down.  I hope there will be fishing in DePuy’s again by mid-July(will take small bets on this!).  Beaverhead and Big Horn are very good.  Smith River is excellent.  Firehole and Henry’s  Fork are good, too.  Firehole has caddis and PMD’s and the Henry’s Fork is getting ready for green and brown drakes.  High water as this time of year is normal.  Remember, we have been in a decade long drought cycle here, and the recollections of many fishermen are of LOW water years.  Things will look fairly good by first week of July.   Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfitters,Bozeman html

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Hi Dave, Thanks for the Montana report.  It’s obvious to me you spend a lot of time on it (and for our benefit) and I wanted you to know it’s appreciated. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Al Beatty writes: Hi Dave, Thanks for the Montana report.  It’s obvious to me you spend a lot of time on it (and for our benefit) and I wanted you to know it’s appreciated.

I second that. -Ande Rychter

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David, Thanks for the information.  It sure is helpful for those of us who live in the city (ie, Dallas, TX) who plan on traveling to Montana in the near term. I was wondering, do you not receive info on the North Blackfoot (from around North Fork down to either Scotty Browns bridge or Clear Creek), as well as Rock Creek? If you or anyone else could provide info on these areas (such as water conditions, hatch & pattern info, whether I should consider wading or floating, etc.) and what I might expect from around July 10 through July 14, I would appreciate it. Thanks again! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Many rivers still high, but they are dropping as fast as they went up.   Extremely hot weather melted a lot of snow(still a lot to melt, though).   Big Hole is dropping 10-15% per day.  2′ viz at Melrose yesterday, and salmon flies are showing up down near the "Notch".  River is fishing fairly well with nymphs.  Madison is beginning to drop, too, and traditionally the Montana Power Company drops the Madison flows around the 3rd week of June and begins to fill Hebgen Lake.  Gallatin and Yellowstone are still a mess.  Yellowstone has done some serious damage to  DePuy’s and Armstrong’s Spring Creeks, but NOONE knows for sure how much until the river goes done.  I guess I am the eternal optimist, and I figure this flood is like the YNP fires of 1988.  It will be temporarily inconvenient for us humans, but I expect this event will be beneficial.   Talked to Bob Auger, DePuy’s riverkeeper, yesterday, and he is poised to begin work to rebuild the dam as quickly as the water comes down.  I hope there will be fishing in DePuy’s again by mid-July(will take small bets on this!).  Beaverhead and Big Horn are very good.  Smith River is excellent.  Firehole and Henry’s  Fork are good, too.  Firehole has caddis and PMD’s and the Henry’s Fork is getting ready for green and brown drakes.  High water as this time of year is normal.  Remember, we have been in a decade long drought cycle here, and the recollections of many fishermen are of LOW water years.  Things will look fairly good by first week of July.   Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfitters,Bozeman html

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: Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along : the doors? : In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and : another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. : Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features : and accessories?? : : : : NO NO, not the ugly things, the sleek "Cheroke" replacement that never replaced it! Anyway, there is another pakage, the Orvis Ed.  This comes with the V8, tow, gold, and special interior treatment that is reflective of the "Orvis" company (I am told that they are a big fly fishing company in New England).  Personaly, I think the Limited with the V8 is the ultimate pakage (my friend has 2, a ‘94 4.0 limited and an ‘95 V8 limited).                                 -Sean "Doc" Hollywood

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Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along the doors? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features and accessories??

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