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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

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     I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

Before you discount "carburated" engines, I have 2 old Johnsons and 3 old Evinrudes that run like Rolex watches.  The new engines have their strong points, but I’ll take my old geezers.  I’ve never had to paddle home. noah

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     I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.

Unless you’re an outboard mechanic trying to make a living, what’s so bad about carbs?  A little less fuel and power efficient, a LOT more reliable. Dan — Mustangs don’t count as sports cars. They’re pacifiers for NASCAR driver wannabes who couldn’t afford anything reasonable.                 — Ryan Micallef

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Yamaha 115hp FI  4 stroke. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

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P&P has a small bonefishing lodge on the other end of the island. http://www.peaceandplenty.com/resorts/bonefish.htm there is a dock, unsure if you could rent though, i think the idea is to provide you with a guide and boat. no night life though, you would have to go into georgetown for that, too far to walk or bicycle. to follow up whoever mentioned Stocking island, taking the ferry from the main hotel in town and walking accross stocking island to the exposed side is well worth the effort. the view from the top is quite nice as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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I know this is a boat newsgroup, but I presume many of you have cruised the Bahama out islands and Exuma. A lady friend and I are planning a vacation to George Town, Exuma in April. I would like to be close to town and plan on renting a boat. I’m looking for reasonable accommodations close to the water near a dock or marina where I can keep a boat. I prefer a place that is not too crowded, commercial, i.e. NOT Club Peace and Plenty unless someone can convince me otherwise. Any suggestions appreciated. Anyone familiar with Minns Cottages, Coral Gardens Bed & Breakfast Inn, Two Turtles Inn, Marshall’s Guest House, Flamingo Bay Hotel and Villas, Coconut Cove Hotel, Mount Pleasant Hotel? I would like to do some fly fishing on the flats for bonefish and offshore light tackle fly fishing too. Any good guide recommendations or charters? Sincerely, Rich Lamanna

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In the 80’s we had only 3 choices. Peace & Plenty, two Turtle Inn ( across the street for P&P) and another resort type place but I can’t remember the name. We really enjoyed the P&P really quaint. There wasn’t much of a town and P&P was in it. But on our second visit went to the resort type place because P&P didn’t have a beach. They own an absolutely great, private beach about a 5 minute ride across the bay called stocking island. P&P was the hotel that all boaters got their mail delivered to. They catered to boaters needs. But remember this was in the 80’s. I would go back to P&P in a minute, no hesitation. That’s my 2 cents FWIW. Joe Sand Dollar Noank, CT  

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Joe, thanks for the reply. I have some friends who spent their honeymoon at P&P. They thought it was great too. What did you think of Two Turtles Inn? Did you have a chance to check it out? I realize it was a long time ago but any recollection would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rich

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Are you set on going to Georgetown? I have another suggestion -very remote – very beautiful – fantastic!!!  Check out Compass Cay on the Internet.  Just south of the Land and Sea Park and about 10 miles north of Staniel Cay where there is an airport.   ADVANTAGES: Remote Most beautiful beach in the Exhumas 1 mile crescent shapped beach Beach "busy" if anyone else there 10 slip marina 1 lodge and 2 rental apartments friendly native owner no bars – no restaurants- no people rental boats and motors Bone fish galore DISADVANTAGES Remote No bars – no restaurants 10 miles by boat to store and restaurant Didn’t make it there last winter but spent several months there on our boat in 1999 and 2000.  Fantastic if you want to get away from civilization.  Fantastic if you want to bone fish.  Fantastic if you like to snorkel and explore.

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Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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The SCYC is 10 miles south of Compass.  It is located near the airport for the area.  Great conch burgers at the bar.  Also have had good dinner there. Colorful cabins on the water for guests.  Bahamian culture – yes night life – no.  Staniel Cay has a couple of local bars and restaurants, the SCYC and Thunderball restaurants and a couple of grocery stores (with most of the "sell by" dates on merchandise erased).  Still serviced once a week by mail boat for supplies and mail.  Airport makes it convenient but not a place where I would take a lady for a fun visit.  Less remote than Compass but activities primarily boating, fishing and water oriented.  If both of you are not really into that, it would be a mistake.  Have you looked at the Abacos and Eluthera.  Spanish Wells, Harbour Island and Hope Town get a strong recommendation from my wife. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

The other night at terminal 2 Heathrow the last flights of the day were abnormally busy. The queue for the non  European passport holders was taking about 90 to 120 minutes to get through, and consisted of a mix of all nationalities. I happened to be in the immigration hall and stayed to monitor the queue. On five occasions I was approached by a person coming from an area between Canada and Mexico and the conversation went along similar lines. "Are you in charge here", "No and I’m nothing to do with the immigration service" where upon I was given a mouthful of abuse on how to run things and one person went as far a spitting on me. While these examples of how a certain nationality behaves when it travels abroad was going on I kept looking at a rather tall gentleman towards the back of the queue who seemed vaguely familiar. It wasn’t until after he had left politely wishing us a good evening that I realised it was a very well known Aussie tennis player, who now doubt had he asked would have been fast tracked but he didn’t and just waited with everyone. Seems the Aussies can behave a lot better than certain others. — Lansbury LHR(T2) www.uk-air.net

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

Really ??? JT: agreed LOL DuHasse! risking a lil less endowment by the dork dictionary ROFL

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 I will definitely fly QANTAS next time…peace, quiet, kids kept under control, not staring into the balding head of the person in front whilst trying to eat lunch….definitely sounds like my sort of airline.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Well known fact in airline circles, the reason that Qantas has a higher number of male -well built flight attendants on the Asia/London routes is to get the ozzies well inebriated on their beer before Singapore, and then they sleep the way to London without much more bother, those that do make it, are well dealt with by the *heavies* on board.

QF male FA’s are well – known in gay circles for being *very* cute.  Dating one is a "catch"…. — Best Greg gregorymorrowatmsndotcom

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I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin.

I have been seated across the aisle from a baby and even right next to a baby on another flight (bulkkead, middle section). All were very long flights (10+ hours). And none were a real problem. In the case of the baby across the aisle, I remember it being entertaining in the morning because the baby was really cute and trying to grab passengers waiting in line to go to the bathroom. It was entertaining. Perhaps I have been lucky, and I realise that perhaps some babies are noiser than others, but I doubt that a baby would cry for 10 hours nonstop. For shorter flights though where a significant portion of the flight is the descent, I guess one could state that the baby bcried most of the way.

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five occasions I was approached by a person coming from an area between Canada and Mexico and the conversation went along similar lines. "Are you in charge here",

In all fairness to the folks between canada and mexico, there are some of them who are nice educated tourists. The problem with those is that by their nature, you do not notice them. And if you only notice the loud impolite ones, then you do get a very bad image from the tourists of that country. Seems the Aussies can behave a lot better than certain others.

I think that Kiwis would disagree with that statement, especially when they refer to Sydneysiders. Does the expression "loud and brash" ring a bell ? Every country has bad tourists. But I agree that people from certain countries expects to be treated like kings and don’t accept that folks do things differently in different parts of the world. And those tend to stand out. But when you think about it, Parisians should be thankful of McDonalds and EuroDisney. Those tourists would tend to go to McDonalds, thus enabling good restaurants in Paris to remain free of such tourists

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I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin. I’ve never thought it alright to have someone else’s brat inflicted on adults for any amount of time, let alone a long haul flight. It’s even worse when you get one in the premium cabins from where in my opinion anyone under the age of 16 ought to be banned! For several years at check-in I’ve stated that I don’t mind where I sit as long as there are no children in the adjoining rows, I know a few people who now do the same – maybe the airlines will listen!

I find that when parents, who really have no business being parents, allow their children to run amok and laugh as the little shits pester people, change their attitude rather quickly when they hear someone say "If someone doesn’t get these little cunts under control they’re going to be short a few kids" and the kids are miraculously whisked away (they suddenly remember that they are parents and have a job to do). Maybe it’s not the politest of ways to handle such a situation, but hey, it’s not polite to inflict your kids on other people either.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved). Quiet and well-behaved when you have had two complaints already?!!! I DON’T THINK SO MATE! You’re just a wee bit delusional there. I’ve had too many experiences with children sitting next to me that finally I’ve decided to have the ‘no thanks, no more children next to me’. All the worse experiences have been there from this little girl who wanted to go the toilet screaming her head off when we were about to land (BA Madrid-London), to a group of four children taking all the middle seats and since I was flying alone I had to be seated next to them while they played seats switching UNTIL finally this little brat (oh how  children are cursed by one rotten apple) spilled his orange juice all over me while I was fucking sleeping (BA/QA codeshare Sydney-London) . Nah in this regard, keep your fucking children well-behaved. Especially in long flights. And rest assured I won’t be taking any of my children on any long flights until they reach their teen years. Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. LOL

I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin. I’ve never thought it alright to have someone else’s brat inflicted on adults for any amount of time, let alone a long haul flight. It’s even worse when you get one in the premium cabins from where in my opinion anyone under the age of 16 ought to be banned! For several years at check-in I’ve stated that I don’t mind where I sit as long as there are no children in the adjoining rows, I know a few people who now do the same – maybe the airlines will listen! Pete.

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on an Aussie woman

I think you mean "in". The answer is probably … average… for an Australian.  ;) D.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Well known fact in airline circles, the reason that Qantas has a higher number of male -well built flight attendants on the Asia/London routes is to get the ozzies well inebriated on their beer before Singapore, and then they sleep the way to London without much more bother, those that do make it, are well dealt with by the *heavies* on board. martin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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says… I must admit that I have done the trip from the UK a few times and the Quantas service was not the best.We normally fly Singapore.

(Craig Welch impression on) Pity.  You may want to try Qantas instead. (Craig Welch impression off)

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him. So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

Youre gay!

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Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him. So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

Our women aren’t like the women you’re used to, they don’t have dicks, and we like it that way!

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Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

It sounds like a Troll to me, and not a very good one. Herdy.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Reminds me of the words of Charles Luckman: "The trouble with America is that there are far too many wide open spaces surrounded by teeth."

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

One of the main reasons I moved from the UK to Adelaide,South Australia was due to the people and their attitude. I suppose the lousy weather and cost of living does make a lot of Brits miserable – but there are many good un’s. I have never felt so welcome as when in Australia , people are so welcoming and helpful ( just started fishing and I have had loads of offers to teach me ). Perhaps the people who complain about Aussies and Brits should mix with them a little more. I must admit that I have done the trip from the UK a few times and the Quantas service was not the best.We normally fly Singapore. Russell — — auSEElife Run by migrants -for migrants Lot 11 Penneys Rise,Onkaparinga Hills,SA 5163 ICQ 119580733, Yahoo Messenger:russ1926,Fax +61 8 8186 1538

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seem ur kids must be a right snob maybe ..view it from the other viewpoint of pax .. most kids can be quiet and stuff but maybe ur wasnt? look outside the circle… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you expect when you take kids on a plane.  Most people want to have a QUIET relaxing flight. Not have screaming bloody kids jumping up and down infront of them. You people with kids should for once in your lives consider that a lot of people dont actually like kids and find them rather annoying. You must have just picked the two worst lots of flights then cos I can tell you Qantas is on of Aus’s best airlines. My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Q

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seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).

Quiet and well-behaved when you have had two complaints already?!!! I DON’T THINK SO MATE! You’re just a wee bit delusional there. I’ve had too many experiences with children sitting next to me that finally I’ve decided to have the ‘no thanks, no more children next to me’. All the worse experiences have been there from this little girl who wanted to go the toilet screaming her head off when we were about to land (BA Madrid-London), to a group of four children taking all the middle seats and since I was flying alone I had to be seated next to them while they played seats switching UNTIL finally this little brat (oh how  children are cursed by one rotten apple) spilled his orange juice all over me while I was fucking sleeping (BA/QA codeshare Sydney-London) . Nah in this regard, keep your fucking children well-behaved. Especially in long flights. And rest assured I won’t be taking any of my children on any long flights until they reach their teen years. Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

LOL

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

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What do you expect when you take kids on a plane.  Most people want to have a QUIET relaxing flight. Not have screaming bloody kids jumping up and down infront of them. You people with kids should for once in your lives consider that a lot of people dont actually like kids and find them rather annoying. You must have just picked the two worst lots of flights then cos I can tell you Qantas is on of Aus’s best airlines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Well, well … the gospel according to something that calls itself

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie

Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Know all the Brits then do you? well Thanks for tarring us all with the same – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You’re going to Key West right?  More likely to see lots of guys in

butt-flossing suits. Hairy butts in a butt-flosser?  Eeewww! I’ll have nightmares tonight.  Thanks. Many people think its safer to fly to Key West from Miami along the chain of islands as opposed to directly across the Florida Bay (via Victor 225 or B9 if you have an ADF or GPS).

That was my reasoning.  Coming from my direction, it’s either that or over the swamp then ocean. Besides, another pilot told me that flying US1 is probably the most beautiful flying that can be had in the States.  I’m not so sure.  As you can see on the sectional there are very few airports, public or private, in the keys.  If you lose an engine you probably aren’t going to be able to make a successful landing on US 1

Oh?  Why not?  Flying along the west coast will be shorter but I was gonna head to Miami for just that reason. At least a car is likely to spot me going down, right? Finally be sure and watch out of R-2916.  The government launches a 14,000 ft high tethered balloon there with radar to catch drug smugglers or whatever.  You sure don’t want to wander off course and fly into it.

Yeah, I’ve pointed that out to a few co-workers.  a 14,000 foot tether. That’s amazing. Thanks for your comments.  Anything else you wanna share would be appreciated. — Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention.

Didn’t know there were Buffet conventions.  Now that I do, I can’t imagine missing the next one.  Does Jimmy bring the Albatross?  There used to be one of those based on a lake near where I live.  The owner would do type ratings for the local Continental pilots.  It was just awesome watching that thing coming in low, landing (watering???), then taxiing around on the lake for a takeoff.  It’s gone now, think the owner took it to Lake Powell. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on?

I decided long ago to use DUATS for information only but to talk to a real live briefer before I go anywhere.    The FSS briefers are *required* to intepret the information they are giving you, whereas the computer of course can’t do that. Pull a DUATs report, try to figure out where the little jerkwater places that they use as weather reporting points are, then try to understand which of the NOTAMS they list apply to your flight (WHY in God’s name do they tell me about Iranian airspace restrictions when I’m flying from Houston to Austin?  For those of you in the UK, that route of flight does not go close to Iran, or Iraq, or Oklahoma, or any other foreign country). My favorite weather source, believe it or not, is this one: http://www.uswx.com/.   I expect that there are others that do something similar, but this lets me look at fronts, and movement, etc.  So I’ll keep an eye on this, and talk to the FSS guys sometime before I head for the airport to see if I missed something and to get their intepretation. So far, it’s worked for me. Or, a trite answer:  If you are worried, don’t go.  If you go anyway, be mindful of accident chains and watch for one forming. Good luck!  I’m looking at your route weather now, and it looks crappy in Pensacola and South Florida.  http://www.uswx.com/us/wx/FL/

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There’s another ballon just like that near Cross City, FL that you will pass going to the Keys from Atlanta. Before you buy.

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SNIP Oh?  Why not?  Flying along the west coast will be shorter but I was gonna head to Miami for just that reason.

US 1 is a two lane road with lots of traffic and no berm.  Its also crisscrossed with lots and lots of electric and telephone lines, trees, etc. I wouldn’t say its impossible but, overall, in my opinion its a pretty poor choice for a landing strip. Your friends who commented that its a beautiful flight (from Miami to Key West) are correct, it is. If you decide to go the west coast route stop at Everglades City (X01), the best kept airport secret in south Florida.  Its the entrance to the "unspoiled" part of the Everglades and offers a couple of good restaurants and a beautiful flight over the "10,000 islands" south of Naples.    If you go the Miami route stop at Marathon (MTH) which actually has a much longer runway then Key West, a friendly FBO, lots of restaurants, and generally a far more laid-back experience then Key West (plus you won’t find many hairy butts wearing flossed bathing suits there). Have a great time! Regards, Tom

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Trouble is, if the weather is too bad to fly, most of the women won’t be on the beach.  On the other hand you can always fish in the rain.  Enjoy the trip. Brian E. High wing sissy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being stuck in Key West won’t be so bad if you are smart enough to remember your fishing gear . You know, that’s a terribly obvious statement but one I haven’t really considered. There are worse things than being stranded on a beach filled with women wearing them butt-flossing suits. Thanks, — Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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WHY in God’s name do they tell me about Iranian airspace restrictions when I’m flying from Houston to Austin?  

Seems to me there’s a question about non-associated FDC NOTAMS, and you have to appropriately answer the question about declining to see them. If you don’t answer the question the right way, then you get the Iranian and Afghani airspace restrictions as well as the ones about not transporting Ferdinand Marcos’s body.  At least that’s the way the Contel/GTE/whoeverytheyarenow DUATS (duats.com) system works. Larry

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You’re going to Key West right?  More likely to see lots of guys in butt-flossing suits. Hairy butts in a butt-flosser?  Eeewww! I’ll have nightmares tonight.  Thanks.

Uck!!! Gee Jim, thanks a lot for bring up that eventuality.  I am going to go thrown up now.

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Being stuck in Key West won’t be so bad if you are smart enough to remember your fishing gear .

You know, that’s a terribly obvious statement but one I haven’t really considered. There are worse things than being stranded on a beach filled with women wearing them butt-flossing suits. Thanks, — Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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There are worse things than being stranded on a beach filled with women wearing them butt-flossing suits.

You’re going to Key West right?  More likely to see lots of guys in butt-flossing suits. You should have flown down last weekend for Fantasy Fest.  Its held in Key West every year the weekend before Halloween.  Its a combination Mardi Gras, Halloween sort of thing.  Two years ago, when my wife and I flew down for Fantasy Fest, the airport was crammed chock full with airplanes.  The guy in the golf cart from the FBO said my wife and I were one of the few couples to arrive with clothes on that afternoon.  Apparently its a fun thing to fly naked. On a serious note, if your flight segment includes Naples to Key West be sure and file a DVFR flight plan.  Its mandatory.   VFR flights from Miami along the keys do not require DVFR flight plans even though the route of flight crosses the ADIZ.  Check out your AF/D for more information. Many people think its safer to fly to Key West from Miami along the chain of islands as opposed to directly across the Florida Bay (via Victor 225 or B9 if you have an ADF or GPS).  I’m not so sure.  As you can see on the sectional there are very few airports, public or private, in the keys.  If you lose an engine you probably aren’t going to be able to make a successful landing on US 1 (the only road in the keys) and with no fields or open spaces its the water, the mangrove swamps, or shopping centers to land in. Finally be sure and watch out of R-2916.  The government launches a 14,000 ft high tethered balloon there with radar to catch drug smugglers or whatever.  You sure don’t want to wander off course and fly into it. Have Fun!   I wish I was joining you! Regards, Tom

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I don’t know nuttin ’bout no Parrotheads! Have flying lessons on Friday. But sounds like a great trip!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regardless of the weather, you are absolutely going to need a designated pilot. Well, I was planning to designate *myself* as designated pilot.  Perhaps you are speaking of a designated IFR pilot in, perhaps, a designated Saratoga? You offering? — Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180 Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Being stuck in Key West won’t be so bad if you are smart enough to remember your fishing gear . Mike MU-2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Regardless of the weather, you are absolutely going to need a designated pilot.

Well, I was planning to designate *myself* as designated pilot.  Perhaps you are speaking of a designated IFR pilot in, perhaps, a designated Saratoga? You offering? — Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Regardless of the weather, you are absolutely going to need a designated pilot.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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Or, if the return date is not essential, then I figure spending a few extra days at the destination won’t be so bad.

That would suck being trapped in Key West… One thing to consider is that central/south FL have very distinct wet and dry seasons.   The dry season is beginning about now and will reach it’s peak during January.  It hardly ever rains during that time, but if a "cold" front makes it that far south it can get VERY windy. tim PP-ASEL

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Jim, The question I always ask myself when confronted with conditions like this is "how critical is it that I get back on the day I plan to return."   If I don’t have any latitude and absolutely need to be home then I’ll scrub the flight or resign myself to possibly having to return home commercially and return later to pick up the plane. Or, if the return date is not essential, then I figure spending a few extra days at the destination won’t be so bad. It’s not unusual for me to make a final decision on the morning of the outbound flight based upon that day’s weather and the future forcast. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone wanna tackle this? I’m planning to go to Key West in a couple of days.  VFR.  Jimmy Buffet Parrothead convention. I’ll be flying from PDK (Atlanta) to EYW (Key West) departing Friday morning and coming back Sunday. My decision, right now, is to go. Just for the sake of discussion (and if anyone would like to take the time), what’s the weather/trip look like to you experienced fellers?  What sources of info do you base your assessment on? Up ’till now, all my x/c hops have been relatively short 300nm trips and weather during those times has been very predictable and easy to understand. This time, though, I’m looking at a wandering jet stream and a big, nasty, slooooow moving front that bisects the USA.  Then we have some sorta cloud cover in the Gulf that’s moving towards the Florida panhandle. Oh, and yeah, yeah, I’m studying for the instrument exam so don’t go there! Jim Fisher North Alabama Cherokee 180

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

Just do more of the same Mike.  If you’re losing fish, you have been letting slack get in the line and when they jump, you’re not bowing to the fish.  Chances are you’re stripping in real fast to get the slack out but you must have too much slack laying on the ground.  Try fishing with less slack and get on the reel ASAP would be my advice.   Another thing you must remember is "which side of the fishes mouth" are you hooked up in?  You hook up with the fish FACING the current.  When they are fighting and turn away from the current, you need to go easy. Only pull harder when they are facing the current and the hook is on your side of the jaw. Hope this helps Mike, — MrG/American Sportsman "the saga continues"

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Keep a tight line! Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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Don’t feel like the lone ranger! I had the same problem day before yesterday on the Conejos River in south central Colorado. Great fly fishing with 12 to 18 inch browns and some larger that I lost either with the  long line release (I like that) or a few cases of snap the 6X tippet. It was great fun nonetheless! Damn, now I’m back in Dallas… Graham – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

I have days like that.  Other days, it doesn’t happen.  Could be any number of things going on.  Smaller hooks are made of thinner wire which necessarily equates with sharper hooks…..large hooks are more likely to fail to penetrate deeply.  Some days fish are more sluggish; others, more active.  A lot of line in or on the water is more difficult to control.  A long or light tippet stretches more.  There are a host of other factors which might come into play.  At any rate, barbless hooks suggest you are planning to release them anyway, no?  A little earlier is better than a little later for the fish.

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns.

Is there a chance that in your anticipation of having to keep the pressure on the hook that you are setting up too quickly and not getting solid hookups? I’ve been crushing the barbs off my hooks for years now and it seems like at first, when I was concerned about the hook staying in place, that I may have done just that. It doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore. Flyfish

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Mr. G. made some great points.  Like FlyFish, I’ve been using barbless hooks or flattening barbs for a few years now and when I lose a fish most times it’s due to having too much line on the water and not getting the fish on the real quickly enough. GL…and tight lines! Natty

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Ahem New site here in good ol’ SA www.troutfishing.co.za Cheers Ari

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Ahem New site here in good ol’ SA www.troutfishing.co.za

Rugby, braaivleis, sunny skies and Chevrolet…. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I might be in the Ormond Beach area of FLorida and I was wandering what Fly Fishing opportunities are there?  We will be down there maybe in mid May.  Thanks for the advice and help…….Ed

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I might be in the Ormond Beach area of FLorida and I was wandering what Fly Fishing opportunities are there?  We will be down there maybe in mid May.  Thanks for the advice and help…….Ed

Mosquito Lagoon is well worth the half hour drive south. Drop me a email and I’ll send you contact info for some guides that work the area. — SJM

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Hi I just planned a 5 day, 4 nite trip to Cancun.  I don’t have a lot of time there and I have heard about all the great things to do, but I’d like to hear from others about the top 3 or 4 excursions to take. E mail Thankx

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Hi I just planned a 5 day, 4 nite trip to Cancun.  I don’t have a lot of time there and I have heard about all the great things to do, but I’d like to hear from others about the top 3 or 4 excursions to take. E mail Thankx

Hello, I have been there quite a few times and really enjoy it. There is something for everyone. I would try to spend a day on Cozumel and/or Isla Mujeres, small island just off shore. Take an all day air conditioned bus tour south to the ruins at Tulum. There are lots of water sports, boating, snorkeling, scuba, fishing and yes, lots of shopping. We specialize in fly fishing trips all over the world and this is on of our favorite places. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi I just planned a 5 day, 4 nite trip to Cancun.  I don’t have a lot of time there and I have heard about all the great things to do, but I’d like to hear from others about the top 3 or 4 excursions to take. E mail Thankx

Isla Mujeres and/or Cozumel are nice excursions.  Tulum and Xel Ha are usually packaged together as a single tour and are also interesting. Xel Ha is a place where you can snorkel in a big natural aquarium (a giant pool carved out of the rock by a river) with mixed fresh and salt water and lots of beautiful fish.  It would probably be a bit lame to experienced divers, but if you haven’t seen tropical fish close up before it’s an easy way to do it..  I would hesitate to go inland to the big ruins a Chichen Iza (spelling?).  This time of year can be murderously hot.  When I was in Cancun in May, the people who went inland to that trip felt like they would barely make it out alive – they were burnt through their shirts, probably just from the heat of the sun.  Stick to the coastal areas. I haven’t done it myself, but I know two friends who recently took an excursion where you travel through underground rivers.  They both enjoyed it tremendously.  I would put this at the top of the list. Sorry I don’t have more details. Christine

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Any favorite places to eat either in Cancun or Isla Mujeres? I’d appreciate any info.           Sue

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I have recently moved from Utah to Georgia.  Can anyone help with some good places to fish?

Hi Brett, Welcome to Georgia. Let me know what part of the state you’re in and the type of fishing that interests you, and I’m sure I can give you some suggestions. Dave — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides Home Page http://www.olfart.com

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I have recently moved from Utah to Georgia.  Can anyone help with some good places to fish?

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I have recently moved from Utah to Georgia.  Can anyone help with some good places to fish?

There are a number of places to FF for trout. Not the wide open streams and rivers of the West, but plenty of fishing. Try North Georgia Trout On-line at http://www.efh.com/~ngtrout That should put you on the trail….. -John Carney

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writes: Can anyone give me some good advice on flyfishing in CentralNorth Jersey.  I’m new to the area and have fished on the south branch of the Raritan (Califon), but it’s incredibly crowded.  Would appreciate any pointers E-mail me back! Thanks Paul Amatangelo

Paul, Along with the Musconetcong River, you may want to try the Pequest, Paulinskill, and Big Flatbrook in New Jersey.  However, you may want to drive the extra distance and fish such rivers as the Bushkill and Lackawaxen in Pennsylvania, as well as the Beaverkill, Esopus, and the East & West branches of the Delaware River in New York. All these rivers are within two hours driving time from northern New Jersey.     Good Luck!

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I am 15 years old and live in Princeton NJ. I just started Fly Fishing a year ago and have tried many a spots in this area. Right in Princeton is the Stoney Brook which is stocked with trout and other fish and is known to produce bass and perch. The Assunpink River (not lake) has alot of perch and Shad and has produced a few trout and bass for me. The Pequest and Flatbrook rivers are also very good for trout. But for bass fly I would recomend a spot that I found two years ago when I was a spin fisher. It is in the Delaware Raritan canal. IT is right by the main entrance to the Bulls Island Campground on the Delaware River. Its on the New Jersey side in case your confused. Thats all I can THink of but if you would like advice on other spots feel free to write. Matt

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Saturday, May6 I went to the North branch of the Raritan at Rte 206 and 287. Very little crowd.  I didn’t catch any trout but another fellow had 3 on a stringer.

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Can anyone give me some good advice on flyfishing in CentralNorth Jersey.  I’m new to the area and have fished on the south branch of the Raritan (Califon), but it’s incredibly crowded.  Would appreciate any pointers E-mail me back! Thanks Paul Amatangelo

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Try the Musky west of the route 24 bridge just pass the fly stretch. This area has produced some 8 lb fish. I know, from first hand experience I didnt catch it, put a witnessed the fight and landing of the monster. The person who caught it was a rookie, only his third time out. Some people have all the luck. Good Luck.

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