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At least I attended *one* ‘Clave Georgie Boy!  I believe you are 0 for 0, aren’t you. I believe it’s 0 for 1.

0 for 2. He chickened out on the ‘99 Spring NC conclave, too.

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At least I attended *one* ‘Clave Georgie Boy!  I believe you are 0 for 0, aren’t you.

I believe it’s 0 for 1. I have to say that I was very disappointed that George was in the Ennis area during the Western Clave and didn’t even stop by the campground. I’m sure that everyone would have been interested to meet him, myself included. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Now wait justa doggone minute. I never said any such thing. And *you’re* the one who wanted the hug, pal.

I just want it stated for the record that I left before there was any hugging that I was aware of.  I mean, there was huggin’ in my cabin, but I had a girl in there with me. Regards, Jeff

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_____  Time to bypass North Carolina

        thank god for small favors.

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_____  Time to bypass North Carolina    thank god for small favors.

Hey! We want him to bypass the entire Northeast Kingdom, too! What does it take to get that to happen?

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Right.. it’s a dirty job, etcetera.. Guests are ok, especially when they force you to consume all those sleemans Herman Another NC clave? Or are you autoclaving? Herman herman, just a buncha guys showed up. what’s a man to do ‘cept welcome them and drink thar beer <g walt

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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_____  Time to bypass North Carolina       thank god for small favors. Hey! We want him to bypass the entire Northeast Kingdom, too! What does it take to get that to happen?

Thus far, invitations seem to have worked pretty well.        :)

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Ken did you get chance to fish  Slickrock from the topside last week.? Some summer adventure hiking group now comes all the way down from Joyce Kilmer end to pickup at river so the trail must be well marked.  Reviewing Jimmy Jacobs book on Appalachia streams prior to my mountain trip next week and he says you should be able to catch big browns just below the falls you hiked into. last year. In spring I plan to kayak and fish snowbird from the entrance to the dirt road down to the small dam on Robinsville road. This is all stocked water but  within private land I don<t think it get fished much. Some concern on dropping anchor and facing upstream while you cast from kayak. but I will go into stream behind me.

You mean that it is not supposed to be done this way?  Hell, standing on shore I would probably be better off if I faced the road instead of the water. INdian Joe Wilmington N.C. Anyone fishing from kayak please send suggestions

– A question debated and left unanswered is better than a question answered without debate.

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Ken did you get chance to fish  Slickrock from the topside last week.? Some summer adventure hiking group now comes all the way down from Joyce Kilmer end to pickup at river so the trail must be well marked.  Reviewing Jimmy Jacobs book on Appalachia streams prior to my mountain trip next week and he says you should be able to catch big browns just below the falls you hiked into. last year.  In spring I plan to kayak and fish snowbird from the entrance to the dirt road down to the small dam on Robinsville road. This is all stocked water but  within private land I don<t think it get fished much. Some concern on dropping anchor and facing upstream while you cast from kayak. but I will practice before trip. Perhaps I could just take a big backcast and let fly go into stream behind me.  INdian Joe Wilmington N.C.  Anyone fishing from kayak please send suggestions

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IJ –  I’m sure forty will post his report…but, waldo and i fished wilson creek with him and asadi on friday, and he said he spent all of his time on snowbird. as to your kayak adventure…two suggestions:         1.      Employ a video crew…it’s sure to be a feature event equalling chaplin and the keystone kops.         2.      increase your life insurance coverage. yer pal…jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken did you get chance to fish  Slickrock from the topside last week.? Some summer adventure hiking group now comes all the way down from Joyce Kilmer end to pickup at river so the trail must be well marked.  Reviewing Jimmy Jacobs book on Appalachia streams prior to my mountain trip next week and he says you should be able to catch big browns just below the falls you hiked into. last year.  In spring I plan to kayak and fish snowbird from the entrance to the dirt road down to the small dam on Robinsville road. This is all stocked water but  within private land I don<t think it get fished much. Some concern on dropping anchor and facing upstream while you cast from kayak. but I will practice before trip. Perhaps I could just take a big backcast and let fly go into stream behind me.  INdian Joe Wilmington N.C.  Anyone fishing from kayak please send suggestions

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Some concern on dropping anchor and facing upstream while you cast from kayak.

Make sure the anchor line is attached at the bow and not in the middle of the boat. I put an eyelet on the bow of mine and a jam cleat by the cockpit to secure the line. — Charlie…

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Tim, by posting your three messages earlier tonight, you reminded me as to why I keep coming back to this place we call ROFF…. welcome, good show, and thanks for sharing…. –Walt obroff: happenings in the high country…. gorgeous drop-dead fall weather. asadi is setup and domesticated at grandfather camp in his neat new camper trailer with his wonderful wife and daughter. zimbo arrived this am and fished. he did pretty durn good on the watauga before he headed back home. i was especially shocked and taken aback to hear him proclaim the maine pirate a "sissy-boy." <g ken arrived this afternoon with tales of a big fish that choco caught on snowbird. jeff is arriving here tomorrow evening and we all plan an all dayer trip on friday. should be fun. where’s op? where’s wayno? where’s my beer?

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obroff: happenings in the high country…. For all the guys who come here asking what roff means, I must shamefacedly admit I don’t know what obroff means.  I mean, I know what it *means*, but I can’t figure out what ob actually stands for.  And I never will either, because all the replies will be along the lines of "Only Boone", "Our Beer", "Old Butts", "Opie’s Boner", etc. and I won’t know which one is for real.  sigh….

The "OB" is shorthand for "obligatory" on-topic content. (ie: after scribbling a boatload of off-topic text the author includes some bit o’ on-topic tripe to avoid prosecution by the Usenet Police ;^) eg: obroff: A sparsely tied Silverside is a damned deadly fly. hth? /daytripper

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The "OB" is shorthand for "obligatory" hth? The German style of abbreviation – very clever, that threw me.  Well, I don’t know what to say – that answer came flying in before any other wisecrack!

Yeah, well, it was a long day at the office, my dog lost his radio collar somewhere in the yard and it’s too damned dark to look for it, and my second phone line decided to do the "Going…Going…Gesphincto!" routine tonite. So I’m off my feed… You guys are OK after all…

Don’t be too hasty ;^) obroff: fly fishing is fun

There ya go! /daytripper (damned phone company’s going catch an earload in the morning…)

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obroff: happenings in the high country….

For all the guys who come here asking what roff means, I must shamefacedly admit I don’t know what obroff means.  I mean, I know what it *means*, but I can’t figure out what ob actually stands for.  And I never will either, because all the replies will be along the lines of "Only Boone", "Our Beer", "Old Butts", "Opie’s Boner", etc. and I won’t know which one is for real.  sigh…. Regards, Jeff

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The "OB" is shorthand for "obligatory" hth?

The German style of abbreviation – very clever, that threw me.  Well, I don’t know what to say – that answer came flying in before any other wisecrack!  You guys are OK after all… obroff: fly fishing is fun Regards, Jeff

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obroff: fly fishing is fun

And as often as not it’s extraordinarily frustrating. I suppose that’s what makes it fun — when you get it right, against all odds. That’s what I live for: Those moments when the fishing is very difficult but when you come up with the right answer. Those moments are rare but worth savoring. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Another NC clave? Or are you autoclaving? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim, by posting your three messages earlier tonight, you reminded me as to why I keep coming back to this place we call ROFF…. welcome, good show, and thanks for sharing…. –Walt obroff: happenings in the high country…. gorgeous drop-dead fall weather. asadi is setup and domesticated at grandfather camp in his neat new camper trailer with his wonderful wife and daughter. zimbo arrived this am and fished. he did pretty durn good on the watauga before he headed back home. i was especially shocked and taken aback to hear him proclaim the maine pirate a "sissy-boy." <g ken arrived this afternoon with tales of a big fish that choco caught on snowbird. jeff is arriving here tomorrow evening and we all plan an all dayer trip on friday. should be fun. where’s op? where’s wayno? where’s my beer?

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Another NC clave? Or are you autoclaving? Herman

_____  Time to bypass North Carolina and make those monkey’s travel to Mountain Home Arkansas like everyone else has to travel to North Carolina.  Mountain Home has some great camping sites and the city is beautiful.  The waters are stuffed with big trout or a lot of them. — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Tim, by posting your three messages earlier tonight, you reminded me as to why I keep coming back to this place we call ROFF…. welcome, good show, and thanks for sharing…. –Walt

Thanks Walt. Thanks to others too for the positive feedback. Tim

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zimbo arrived this am and fished. he did pretty durn good on the watauga before he headed back home. i was especially shocked and taken aback to hear him proclaim the maine pirate a "sissy-boy." <g

Now wait justa doggone minute. I never said any such thing. And *you’re* the one who wanted the hug, pal. –Steve

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Another NC clave? Or are you autoclaving? Herman

herman, just a buncha guys showed up. what’s a man to do ‘cept welcome them and drink thar beer <g walt

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zimbo arrived this am and fished. he did pretty durn good on the watauga before he headed back home. i was especially shocked and taken aback to hear him proclaim the maine pirate a "sissy-boy." <g Now wait justa doggone minute. I never said any such thing. And *you’re* the one who wanted the hug, pal. –Steve

man-oh-man…. can’t even get a little flame war goin’ round here <g –walt

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At least I attended *one* ‘Clave Georgie Boy!  I believe you are 0 for 0, aren’t you.  Many of the other NC "monkey’s" have attended far reaching ‘Claves, and I believe you are still 0 for 0.  Well I guess it’s hard to attend a gathering of genuine friendship in your case, what with all the effusive lying and all! — Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another NC clave? Or are you autoclaving? Herman _____  Time to bypass North Carolina and make those monkey’s travel to Mountain Home Arkansas like everyone else has to travel to North Carolina.  Mountain Home has some great camping sites and the city is beautiful.  The waters are stuffed with big trout or a lot of them. — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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My wife is pushing us to make plans to go to Florida in Feb, and I’m wondering if anyone knows when the FF show (Sommerset, NJ) is. Thanks. LV Before you buy.

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The Somerset  FF Show is Jan 28 -30

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The ‘Flyfishing Show’ in Somerset, NJ takes place the weekend of January 22nd and 23rd. It may even begin on Friday sometime but of that I’m not certain. The show is being held at the Garden State Exhibit Center, across from the Holiday Inn and next to the Doubletree Motel. If I remember correctly it is right off Exit 10 on Route 287.

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Bill, Make sure your rod and line weight are matched.  Make sure you have enough line pulled off the reel when you cast.  Fly casting is different than bait casting in that the line does not play off the reel, it has to be already off.  There are numerous line dressings available through your local FF shop or via catalog.   I highly recommend this book, Flyfishing; First Cast to First Fish by Joseph F. Petralia.  It is outstanding. Keep at it and keep asking questions, it’s the greatest pastime (obsession) in the world! — Rhio H. Barnhart                                                       Head, Music Department Library Systems Manager for Music University of California, Davis

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I’m glad I’m not the only one who uses their lunch hour to practice casting.  I bet you’ve heard a lot of the same comments I have.  "I think that hole is fished out."  "What cha fishin’ for?"  "Any bites?" My standard reply is "I’m ‘dry’ fly fishing.  Don’t see much point in it so far."  or "I’m trying to catch that little red pickup over there, but it doesn’t like any of my flys." Dave T. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats.

Thanks, Bruce.  By the way, any further news about the legislation to overturn the referendum? Mark Faulkner

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Mark, The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats. They also rent driftboats and provide guide service, lodging, and food. Plus a full service flyshop. They have a new website but can’t remember the URL try troutshop.com bruce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home. A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? Thanks,  G

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service?

I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home.  A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                        John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.         john, dammit, you blew it!  here we were, about to complete an honest to god, serious, informative, boring, lifeless thread, and here you come with some witty, lively humor.  we just must purge roff of such trash!         your anal retentive buddy,         wayno wayno

 But I was serious (sob sob). Does no one take me seriously. Now that youve negated my advice by relegating it to humor, don’t blame me if the advice is not taken and the worm is.                                                            John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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don’t blame me if the advice is not taken and the worm is.

Stop it John! Your killing me! Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach, Florida "Lie ? Me ? Never!  No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself.

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself.

sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt

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There are places to wade around there but, as others have suggested, get a guide – at least for a day. Oh, and do wear shoes and shuffle your feet when you walk so you don’t step on a ray. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be in the Florida Keys the week of Thanksgiving.  I’m hoping to catch my first Bonefish.  However, I know nothing about the Keys or Bonefish.  To further complicate things I’m a relatively new fly fisherman. So any information/tips would be most welcome.  I’ll be staying in Islamorada.  I do not have a boat so I’ll be wading. Questions. 1. Where should I fish? 2. What time of the day should I fish?  Or is it what part of the tide do I fish? 3. Any pointers on fly fishing for bonefish would be helpful. 4. Any dangers I should know about?  Should I wear shoes?  Is there bad things to step on? Many thanks, David PS I heard Harry Harris park is a good place to fish.  Is this true? Also, I’ll have my Golden Retriever along.  Where can I take her when I’m not fishing?

– Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                        John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

        john, dammit, you blew it!  here we were, about to complete an honest to god, serious, informative, boring, lifeless thread, and here you come with some witty, lively humor.  we just must purge roff of such trash!         your anal retentive buddy,         wayno wayno

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt

Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                         John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Hi, I’ll be in the Florida Keys the week of Thanksgiving.  I’m hoping to catch my first Bonefish.  However, I know nothing about the Keys or Bonefish.  To further complicate things I’m a relatively new fly fisherman. So any information/tips would be most welcome.  I’ll be staying in Islamorada.  I do not have a boat so I’ll be wading. Questions. 1. Where should I fish? 2. What time of the day should I fish?  Or is it what part of the tide do I fish? 3. Any pointers on fly fishing for bonefish would be helpful. 4. Any dangers I should know about?  Should I wear shoes?  Is there bad things to step on? Many thanks, David PS I heard Harry Harris park is a good place to fish.  Is this true? Also, I’ll have my Golden Retriever along.  Where can I take her when I’m not fishing?

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I vote we change the name of ROFF to Alt. M. Skeeter seems much more appropriate lately. Willi

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I vote we change the name of ROFF to Alt. M. Skeeter seems much more appropriate lately. Willi

Over in the comp.* newsgroups, they have something called "advocacy" groups.  The idea is that all of the "Mac sux, PC Rulz!" and "Bill Gates is the Great Satan" threads should be limited to comp.*.advocacy, leaving the technical newsgroups for discussion of technical issues.  If you don’t like having the "M. Skeeter" threads in ROFF, you might consider forming ROFF.advocacy. Having said that, let me make it clear that I am not taking aim at Tim W. In my opinion, his posts are as relevant as those from the spokespersons for the flyfishing industry, any of the posts on the morality of C&R, debates about whether real flyfishers use indicators, condemnations of shuffling, condemnations of fishing for spawning salmon, or the thread on jet skis.  You just need to decide where you want this stuff to appear. If you want any of it in ROFF, then you should be prepared for all of it. — Frank

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Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake?  Traveling there next week.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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(Sorry guys, not using my fly rod on this trip, though maybe I should bring it anyway?  Meant to post inquiry to general fishing ne ws group.)  TH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake?  Traveling there next week.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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Not fish with a fly rod ?!? Must not be a family relation. Wayne Hart To fish is human…to release devine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry guys, not using my fly rod on this trip, though maybe I should bring it anyway?  Meant to post inquiry to general fishing ne ws group.)  TH Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake?  Traveling there next week.  Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

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In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God.

Some glorious power must deliver us from this place.

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In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God. Some glorious power must deliver us from this place.

Why? Mike

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

I wish I could afford Gray’s.  Seems like s gud’n…. TimW

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

I used to subscribe to a few different ones as a kid, but the only one that remains is Fly Rod & Reel. My brother very thoughtfully renews my subscription each year as a gift, kind of a tradition. If he didn’t I would have dropped FR&R by now as well. All fly fishing rags are geared to the same purpose: presenting readers with a glossy, unattainable image of the "Modern Angler" and delivering their gullible brains to advertisers who hawk mass-produced, plastic flyrods at $600 a pop. Have a nice day Spinolio

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Craig I like Grays and Fly Fishing In Saltwater Jay

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My favourite fishing mag is "Fish & Game New Zealand" P.O.Box 1746 Auckland New Zealand ph.  64-9-579-3000 fax. 64-9-579-3993 ISSN 1172-434X It costs $6.95 NZD = about $4.20 USD.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would agree with some of what Jason says, though not all of it. A couple of the titles, Fly Rod & Reel and Fly Fisherman, do seem to me too much taken up in destination-type articles (FR&R more so). I still subscribe to Fly Fisherman though…guess I’m a magazine junkie (I work in publishing). However, I find American Angler in general to have less of the destination stuff and more of the fishing stuff. Most recent issue arrived yesterday, featuring articles on midge fishing (complete with patterns and recipes), damsel flies, nymphing techniques, buying bamboo rods, and small stream fishing. Plus, I love C. Boyd Pfeiffers tips column. I’ve now built my own bobbin rest/cradle, and am planning a rod wrapping stand and gallows-type tool based on some of his suggestions. The entymology column is also interesting. I look forward to my American Angler every month (although they spend too much time on eastern fisheries–I’m in California. I also subscribe to Western Fly Fishing and Western Fly Tying (as some one in publishing, let me take a minute to say hey Amato! get an art director with a sense of design and restraint), and Fly Tyer. In particular, I find the fly tying publications, as Jason said, full of useful info. And like I said, I’m a magazine junkie. All that having been said, much of this info is also available to you on the internet now…but you can’t take it in the john with you. Roger

Personally, I dropped American Angler, as they have become another Trout mag. There Saltwater flyfishing seems pretty good. Don’t bother with Fly Fishing In Saltwater, unless you have lots of bucks to travel. Charlie

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

   I subscribe to all the fishing mags (including foreign ones). It’s my job to be up on what’s new and even the ads get my attention. One tidbit pays for the issue (and quite frankly I do get something of value out almost all the magazines).    If I were allowed only one rag it would be IN-FISHERMAN (gasp!). It is the only magazine that consistantly has in-depth articles about fish and fisheries rather than peripheral stuff like thermometer reviews or streamside fashions.     After the fifteenth incarnation of "All you ever wanted to know about strike indicators", you really have to wonder how long the average reader has been subscribing to ANY of the flyishing magazines.    -Ralph

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With all of this magazine talk, I’ve got to wonder when a FF mag will finally come out with a February Swimsuit issue. Who would grace the cover – Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish??

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Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish??

Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. Steve

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[snip] :     After the fifteenth incarnation of "All you ever wanted to know about : strike indicators", you really have to wonder how long the average reader : has been subscribing to ANY of the flyishing magazines. Or how much there really is to know about our beloved hobby! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence.   (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.") — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig,    After subscribing to countless magazines ( Flyfishing, fishing, hunting, etc.) over many years I have come to the conclusion that the money is better spent on new  equipment, better tying vice, gas, or other…. Most magazines recycle , perhaps modify somewhat … but still generally write about the same stuff…  It becomes quite boring and a waste of money IMHO… Some are better than others.

Magazines in any area, be it fishing or fly tying or computers or baby rearing or what-have-you, recycle material because over time their readership changes and they have proportionally more readers who are new to the field than they do "old timers".  This can be an annoyance to the old hands who find themselves reading the same type of material over and over again, but it’s great for authors who can make a fine living recycling old material.  Hmmm…maybe it’s time to consider a career change?  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers!

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: Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence. (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.")

Great. Just great. Now, not only do we have Lefty in a thong but we know which way he’s hanging! Bring me a bucket… I’m gonna ROFF! Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence. (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.") Great. Just great. Now, not only do we have Lefty in a thong but we know which way he’s hanging! Bring me a bucket… I’m gonna ROFF!

In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God. TimW

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

Dear Craig; I have found most flyfishing mags. superfluous.  They are O.K. for getting vacationing FFermen to know about destinations (and, in the local’s point of view, ruining them, with some legitimacy), and some techniques, (usually casting), but that is about it. I am not independently wealthy, so I don’t go jetting around the continent to fantastic, exotic waters.  So I find it of little utility for me.   After I learned enough about locations, hatches, tying, casting and the fish in general and had knowlegeable people to talk to, the magazines were, as I said, became superfluous. The applicability was really nil. Now, fly tying mags, like "Fly Tyer" are much different. I can apply techniques seen there to flies I use right here.  Of most utility are the local sporting publications.  I fish in Pennsylvania, so knowing what’s going on here is important to me.  Also, these publications keep track of local and state legislation, special regs. areas, local pollution, stream recover and projects, recent reports on new waters for me to fish, etc.  I don’t give a flyin’ fig about that damnable DePuy’s spring creek.  So what.  It is not a critical national or for me, local issue.  There is time and effort better spent elsewhere. JB

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: for me to fish, etc.  I don’t give a flyin’ fig about that damnable : DePuy’s spring creek.  So what.  It is not a critical national or for : me, local issue.  There is time and effort better spent elsewhere. Jason, I’d like you to reconsider.  There are good trout streams and there are trout streams without trout.  Consider all these resources, resources of our natural world.  We need to work together to protect the remaining good resources and work together to reclaim the wasted resources.  If we don’t work together, they will all be gone.  It might take years and years, but they will all go away.  The first step (IMO) in working together is education and awareness.  It’s good to know what makes a resource good, and how it stacks up with local conditions with which we might be more familiar.  It’s important to know what is excellent, what is good and what is weak, because it helps us draw distinctions and priorities.  I argue it’s improtant to know other countries, because it helps imagine what it was like here 100 years ago (of course, Idaho is still like it was 100 years ago), and what it can be again. I encourage you and others to try to maintain at least a minimal interest in the rest of the world.  We are all local fisherfolk. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I would agree with some of what Jason says, though not all of it. A couple of the titles, Fly Rod & Reel and Fly Fisherman, do seem to me too much taken up in destination-type articles (FR&R more so). I still subscribe to Fly Fisherman though…guess I’m a magazine junkie (I work in publishing). However, I find American Angler in general to have less of the destination stuff and more of the fishing stuff. Most recent issue arrived yesterday, featuring articles on midge fishing (complete with patterns and recipes), damsel flies, nymphing techniques, buying bamboo rods, and small stream fishing. Plus, I love C. Boyd Pfeiffers tips column. I’ve now built my own bobbin rest/cradle, and am planning a rod wrapping stand and gallows-type tool based on some of his suggestions. The entymology column is also interesting. I look forward to my American Angler every month (although they spend too much time on eastern fisheries–I’m in California. I also subscribe to Western Fly Fishing and Western Fly Tying (as some one in publishing, let me take a minute to say hey Amato! get an art director with a sense of design and restraint), and Fly Tyer. In particular, I find the fly tying publications, as Jason said, full of useful info. And like I said, I’m a magazine junkie. All that having been said, much of this info is also available to you on the internet now…but you can’t take it in the john with you. Roger

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Amen to all that before. Much superflous caca in these magazines. Of them, American Angler is by far the best. Fly Rod & Reel isn’t very well written but the fiction issue is well worth buying. They also ran an interesting piece an issue or two ago about how bamboo rods are built. Of course, American Angler did that too…

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Wonderful advise, Rick.  Concern for local issues is only an important starting point.

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

Craig,    After subscribing to countless magazines ( Flyfishing, fishing, hunting, etc.) over many years I have come to the conclusion that the money is better spent on new  equipment, better tying vice, gas, or other…. Most magazines recycle , perhaps modify somewhat … but still generally write about the same stuff…  It becomes quite boring and a waste of money IMHO… Some are better than others. Just some thoughts !                                                                                              Jody

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

A couple of my favs are Fly Fisherman and Flyfishing.  I also like Salmon, Trout, Steelheader. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

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I don’t subscribe to it, but I just found a magazine called "Wild Steelhead & Salmon" that looks pretty good if you’re into those fish.   I can’t say how consistent it is because I’ve only seen this one issue, and it is a little expensive, but it’s out there if you’re curious.

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig THi Craig,

I subscribe to American Angler, Fly Rod & Reel, Fly Tying, Fly Tyers, Fly Fish America (the national version of the regional free magazine), and Fly Fisherman. I think American Angler is real good. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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To all, I am brand new to the sport and know I’ll be doing this with friends and family the rest of my life. Earlier this weekend, I caughtmy first trout, a little 5-inch ranbow stocked in Jackson Creek below the Yellowood Dam in Brown County just west of Nashville. I’ve been out to the Brookville Dam tailwater once, but didn’t do well there; probably my inexperience and poor fishing technique. The IDNR stocks trout in several other locations, especially up north closer to Lake Michigan. Anyone out there have experience fly fishing for trout in Indiana? I could use some suggestions on the best locations and what wet and dry patterns are most successful around here. Thanks in advance for sharing the info with a newbie! I promise I’ll return the favor someday. Dave McCarty

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There is a good flyshop in Indianapolis (called Flymasters I believe), that helped put me on fish when I was visiting my wife’s parents near Terra Haute! They can help you a lot with a list of place to fish!

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Does Orvis recommend snagging?<

I don’t think so, unless the object of the snagging is customers…..

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In the September-October 1995 Orvis News, Orvis recommends a new method of weighting a wet fly (in this case, Orvis egg clusters) so that there is nothing between the fly and the strike putty but line.  The theory is that putting a weight between the fly and the strike indicator will mask a strike, because action at the end of the line will be delayed on its way past the weight.   To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

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To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

Sounds like bad advice in terms of drift too.  One advantage to putting the weight above the fly is that it leaves the fly free to drift about as the weight bounces along the bottom.  With the alleged Orvis system, the fly is suspended between the weight dragging along the bottom and the line or strike indicator dragging in the current.  It sounds like it would make it tougher to keep the fly drifting naturally. But Orvis’s point about the weight interfering with sensing the strike is a good one. — -Wayne Trzyna

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