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Any thoughts by anyone as to what (sometimes) works there, if anything-ever, would be MOST appreciated.

Bob, Best fishing is in low light conditions….dawn, dusk/dark, rain. (refer back to my ‘Fishing in the rain’ post, the location was the flat water below the Y-Pool.)  In daylight, small flies on 7X/8X tippets will work when the trout are feeding. Sight fishing works much better than using an indicator. Many times the trout simply don’t feed during daylight. If you get too frustrated, go downstream and play with the little rainbows…..they feed all the time. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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……back channel me and I will type it for you…

Oh man, this place is getting REALLY disgusting!! Wolfgang "She said,’That ain’t the way to have fun, son.’"

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I think that the absolutely most frustrating place I have ever, ever, fished has to be the Y pool on the Swift below the Quabbin.

<snipped Bob, just got back from a morning on the stream…anyway the owner of the local fly shop was my partner and I brought him up to show him the Roffians and my new vise.  He read your post and muttered, "South Platte Brassy, that’ll do it."  I have no idea if it will, of course,  but I felt compelled to send his suggestion on…If your are at all interested and you don’t have the formula, I found it in one of my books, just back channel me and I will type it for you… Padishar Creel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I think that the absolutely most frustrating place I have ever, ever, fished has to be the Y pool on the Swift below the Quabbin. Was there again yesterday from about 8 AM  to noon, and the Rainbows were so thick you literally had to watch where you stepped.  The density of them was just incredible; it was as if you were in a Hatchery. Naturally, as usual, I didn’t catch anything there.  Must be the world’s most discriminating trout. Not that the few others there did much better-I think one fellow caught one while i was trying. Tried just about everything in the Orvis catalog, from large to midges, dries, nymphys, etc. Even a streamer.  Anyway, was a most beautiful day. Any thoughts by anyone as to what (sometimes) works there, if anything-ever, would be MOST appreciated.

LOL! I’ve been fishing at the deflectors and have witnessed people storming down the trail from the Y-pool just a cussin’ and a fumin’ like you wouldn’t believe. By this time of year those fish will take you to school. I guess it can get the better of you if you aren’t careful… I’ve fished the Y on and off for 35 years. Caught my first big rainbow on a fly there when I was 13. Over the years I’ve had luck at the Y using small PT nymphs, RFSH nymphs, Sulfur dries (late evening hatch), beetles (especially Jassids using real JC nails), ants of various styles, and of course, micro-minutiae midge larva (ie: a #26 is a big one). If the fish aren’t actively feeding, I  still start out with a PT nymph and see what happens.  If the trout are into their "smutting" act, you can try bowling tiny gray or rust midge larva on a long 7x-8x tippet at the risers and strike on anything close. Tough on the eyes – I was much better at this when I was twenty years younger – but it will work. Less often successful, but a lot easier on the eyes, is to plop an ant or beetle down along the rocks on the far side of the tail-out… Fwiw, I used to watch the Old Man of the Y Pool stand for hours catching trout using a small light-blue-over-white streamer. Go figure… /daytripper

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Hello: I think that the absolutely most frustrating place I have ever, ever, fished has to be the Y pool on the Swift below the Quabbin. Was there again yesterday from about 8 AM  to noon, and the Rainbows were so thick you literally had to watch where you stepped.  The density of them was just incredible; it was as if you were in a Hatchery. Naturally, as usual, I didn’t catch anything there.  Must be the world’s most discriminating trout. Not that the few others there did much better-I think one fellow caught one while i was trying. Tried just about everything in the Orvis catalog, from large to midges, dries, nymphys, etc. Even a streamer.  Anyway, was a most beautiful day. Any thoughts by anyone as to what (sometimes) works there, if anything-ever, would be MOST appreciated. Bob

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Try another catalogue perhaps? TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I think that the absolutely most frustrating place I have ever, ever, fished has to be the Y pool on the Swift below the Quabbin. <SNIP Tried just about everything in the Orvis catalog, from large to midges, dries, nymphys, etc. Even a streamer.  Anyway, was a most beautiful day. Any thoughts by anyone as to what (sometimes) works there, if anything-ever, would be MOST appreciated. Bob

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated.

I would definately go with the larger motor.I stick an 30lb. electric motor on my 18 ft. aluminum canoe and wish it had more get up and go.It’s fine for slow cruising but when I spot fish rising at the other end of the lake I’d like to get there a little bit faster.Either way you’re going to enjoy the electric motor experiance…it’s peacefull,wildlife isn’t scared away…I’ve actually had trout jumping so close they’ve hit the side of my canoe…they didn’t hear me coming. — R.C.Thomson Hillside Mira,N.S. Canada

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Paul Renfree Grande Prairie Alberta Canada

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BIGGER the better Good fishin and God bless Chris Up The Creek Tackle

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated.

I’ve got the same setup and have the bottom-of-the-line Minn Kota and it’s just fine.  Nothing fancy, but it moves the boat across the lake at a good clip, and since it draws less current than the 36 # units it will run for 8-10 hours on a charge.  (Fact is I’ve never managed to drain the battery in a weekend.) -drl — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

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Oddly enough, if you dip the rod tip back into the water, the ice will generally disappear.  I’ve found that by doing so, and fishing a short line, i.e. leaving the fishing length always outside the tip top, sort of nymphing style, I get along fairly well. jg

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I just carefully dip my rod into the river every so often.  The ice doesn’t seem to affect it much until they get super clogged.  Doesn’t seem to scare the fish, I did OK at the Thompson last weekend. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

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Spraying the rod guides (not the river guides) with a little pam seems to help to keep ice from clinging.   By the way, what socks to you wear for that kind of weather? I’ve got a pair of Orvis wool and thermex blend socks, but my feet still get cold. g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just carefully dip my rod into the river every so often.  The ice doesn’t seem to affect it much until they get super clogged.  Doesn’t seem to scare the fish, I did OK at the Thompson last weekend. Chris I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

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well sometimes the neoprene slows down circulation around your foot.. but why dont you try some capilene sock liners… those help wick moisture away from your feet…. (wet feet dont help keep you warm) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spraying the rod guides (not the river guides) with a little pam seems to help to keep ice from clinging.   By the way, what socks to you wear for that kind of weather? I’ve got a pair of Orvis wool and thermex blend socks, but my feet still get cold. g

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Where I fish the water is really cold for 3-4 months a year… For real cold conditions, I use 5 mm boot waders, 3 sizes larger than needed, which leaves plenty of space for thermal socks (2 if needed) without compressing the feet. That’s the trick. My feet never get cold even if the water is close to freezing point. – Tord Sweden – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well sometimes the neoprene slows down circulation around your foot.. but why dont you try some capilene sock liners… those help wick moisture away from your feet…. (wet feet dont help keep you warm) Spraying the rod guides (not the river guides) with a little pam seems to help to keep ice from clinging. By the way, what socks to you wear for that kind of weather? I’ve got a pair of Orvis wool and thermex blend socks, but my feet still get cold. g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

Charlie, I don’t know what type of fishing you are doing but here on the Great Lakes a technique used by winter steelhead fisherman for bottom bouncing egg flies and nymphs is to load their 6 – 8 wt rods with 1 or 2 wt fly line. Since this fishing usually involves lobbing split shot more than casting, a balanced outfit isn’t required. Among other things this outfit is supposed to help in minimizing the icing problems by virtue of the significant difference between the line size and the guide size(s). Along this line of thinking if you are going to go to the trouble of building a special rod for winter fishing you might want to try using oversized guides. — Steve Vaughn

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I just dip my tip into the water and shake the water off.  Works well enough, buty then I do not fish when it gets to 20 deg F.

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[snip]  I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?

I use two rods that might help.  I have a Winston 7 1/2 ft. 5 weight which is fast by Winston standards and can punch out line quite a distance yet make very delicate close in casts.  I do my winter fishing with a nine foot Loomis GL3 Megataper 8-9 weight.  It’s a saltwater rod with very large guides and tiptop, yet it has a typical GL3 delicate tip.  It isn’t a broomstick like most saltwater types. It also has a stiff butt section which allows me to grasp the rod midway and reach over to clear the tiptop.  I’m only 5′7" yet I have no problem reaching the tip.  I was fishing with it Saturday in a light snow for about three hours and I only had to clear the guides twice when they became completely blocked. Peter

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I just dip my tip into the water and shake the water off.  Works well enough, buty then I do not fish when it gets to 20 deg F.

A common trick among conventional fishers is to spray their rod guides with a Silicon spray lubricant before fishing with the occassional spray every once in a while during the day.  It’s pretty easy to give them a quick blast from the spray can now and then (no need to overdo it!)   I know there is a Silicon lubricant marketed specfically for use with monofilament line, but I’m afraid I don’t know how it might affect a fly line. Good luck, Tom Chandler

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:   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything : really work? :                                                TIA, Charlie I’ve used a Dow industrial silicone lubricant in the past that seems to work well. A very little amount rubbed on the guides, especially the tip allows the water to run or drip off before freezing. Naturally ice can still build up and the colder it is, the faster the buildup but in sane temperatures, -5 C little wind and a bit of sun, it does the job. I’v had this tube for years and don’t have any idea where you could source some now. FWIW  – Garry N. Boychuk, P.Eng. mechanical engineer, flyfisher, Zone 6b gardener

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Definitely build your custom rod with oversized guides and tip top. Additionally, you’ll have less icing if you keep your false casts to a minimum. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

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Sounds like a new opportunity for the rod marketeers…Joint development project between Orvis and Prestone!  To tell ya the truth it wouldn’t surprise me a bit… — KennyM "I fish because I love to…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Definitely build your custom rod with oversized guides and tip top. Additionally, you’ll have less icing if you keep your false casts to a minimum. Paul I spent the weekend fishing in sub-freezing conditions and spent a considerable amount of time clearing ice out of the guides. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be until April, so I’m looking for a few pointers.   Yesterday, a buddy and I spent most of the day fishing close together; when the guides iced up, you simply pointed your rod tip at your partner and let him break the ice out of the ones you couldn’t reach. That would be ideal if one always fished with a friend, but I fish alone 3/4 of the time.   I’m giving serious thought to building up a 7 1/2 ft 5wt; I’d be able to reach out and break the ice out without the risk of snapping off a tip. Does anybody have ideas, experience, or preferences regarding short 4wt or 5wt rods?   How about solutions applied to the guides and tiptop? Does anything really work?   (Oh yeah, don’t believe everything you read about the relationship between fish activity and water temperature. The water was in the thirties and the fish were feeding actively.)                                                TIA, Charlie

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By the way, what socks to you wear for that kind of weather? I’ve got a pair of Orvis wool and thermex blend socks, but my feet still get cold.

The key to keeping your feet warm is to wear boot foot waders instead of stocking foot waders. The bootfoot waders allow air to circulate from your legs down to your feet which keeps you warm. Stocking foot waders with boots on top do not allow for this circulation of air. My first time salmon fishing here in Michigan I wore my stockingfoot neoprenes and froze my feet off. A guide suggested using bootfoot waders and the next time I was warm and toasty.

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Hi, I saw your post concerning fishing in the cold.  For the tip top problem, being a backpacker comes in handy. I usually have a 4oz spray can of PAM non-stick spray, which I use if I’m frying up trout which I do from time to time Usually to save weight I just gut the trout and cook the trout directly on the coals and turn often for about 6-8 minutes. OPPPS….about the PAM spray the stuff on your guides it works as a great anti-freeze.  the guides will still freeze up a bit but not as often you can cast for 4 or 5 times better than with nothing on the guides.  For my hands What I use is a pair of Playtex rubber dish washing gloves.  The gloves protect my hands from the wet spray of the water rolling down the fly line.  I also add a thin polyproplene liner inside the rubber gloves if its real real cold outside.  Hope these ideas helps.  Tight Lines   Hugo ("Fish Head")

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A lot of sporting goods shops in Michigan sell toe warmers, which are little semi-circle shaped packs with adhesive on one side to stick to the bottom of your socks.  The first time I used them, I didn’t really feel any heat, so I thought they weren’t doing much, but when I went without them the next day my feet were numb within 20 minutes.  Now I don’t go near water between October and April without them.  They sell for about 99 cents a pair. -Jon Kruse National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory Michigan State University – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where I fish the water is really cold for 3-4 months a year… For real cold conditions, I use 5 mm boot waders, 3 sizes larger than needed, which leaves plenty of space for thermal socks (2 if needed) without compressing the feet. That’s the trick. My feet never get cold even if the water is close to freezing point. – Tord Sweden well sometimes the neoprene slows down circulation around your foot.. but why dont you try some capilene sock liners… those help wick moisture away from your feet…. (wet feet dont help keep you warm) Spraying the rod guides (not the river guides) with a little pam seems to help to keep ice from clinging. By the way, what socks to you wear for that kind of weather? I’ve got a pair of Orvis wool and thermex blend socks, but my feet still get cold. g

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they really make your waders stink though — — TimW Halfordian Golfer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of sporting goods shops in Michigan sell toe warmers, which are little semi-circle shaped packs with adhesive on one side to stick to the bottom of your socks.

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

My friend Jim Dionne at Dirigo Flies says he can help you out, and hit your price range Give him a call at (800) 893-2815 tell him you’re the guy from the internet I told him about.                                         jc

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while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Yes I do!  But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon.  They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish  Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice.  Good luck! Phil

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while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks! Yes I do!  But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon.  They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish  Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice.  Good luck! Phil

I have an on line catalog and have the Clousers in any size and color that you want. You can see my catalog at http://www.surfsouth.com/~jbranham/retailcatalog.html

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Hello- This is probably not what you want to here, but… I would suggest learning to tie them yourself. Clousers are extremely easy to tie and the materials are cheap. I am not a very fast tyer, and I just turned out 10 in the last hour. I tied them on 3/0 for salt water use (Mustad 3407 hooks at about $7/100). That way you can tie them in any size or color combo you want. Even if you don’t tie now with just a few very basic lessons you can tie clousers. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Try to get a second hand vice and tie your own. They are the most simple saltwater fly to tie and you can make a hundred for what it costs to buy ten at Orvis prices. Get the cheapest vice you can find at first and THEN decide if you want to keep tying. If so, consider the best vice you can afford and prepare yourself for the plethora of tying materials you will want to buy along with the books, videos and CD-ROMs you will get to learn how to tie. Good Luck,         jmc

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Hi Mike, Although I live in the East Bay, I’ve been to a shop fairly close to you in San Bruno.  I think the name is Ultimate fly shop on San Mateo Ave.  Low key but good service.   Within in 2.5 hours there is good fishing on the Yuba, Feather,Putah Creek,and Stanislaus rivers.  Also Sea pearch, stripers etc. are close by.  Never done salt water, but here it’s very good. Welcome, Mike

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(Mike Lynch) writes: I moved to the SF Bay area about 6 mos. ago and I thought I left my fly-fishing days behind me in Utah (where I’m from).  Anyway, I’ve actually heard there’s some good fishing around SF (I live in San Mateo). Any suggestions on where to fish, when to fish, good shops, what to fish for, etc. would be greatly appreciated.  Also, what about saltwater flyfishing – I’ve never done it – popular around here?

Hi Mike and welcome to the neighborhood. As far as shops go there are a bunch: the Midge shop in Los Altos, The Caddis (somewhere in Belmont), the Ultimate in San Bruno, and of course Orvis in San Francisco (where I can be found when I’m not teaching schools), – also Fly Fishing Outfitters around the corner from Orvis. There are only a few places that are day trips out of SF to fish.  Putah Creek coming out of Lake Berryessa is about 1 1/2 hr. from San Mateo (I live in San Mateo).  The Stanislaus River below Goodwin Dam and the Mokulumne River below Comanche Dam are a little over two hours away.  Both the Stanislaus and the Mokulumne are closed now to allow the salmon a chance to spawn unmolested, but will re-open on Jan 1st.   Through Nov. 15th you can drive 5 to 6 hours north and fish the Upper Sac, the McCloud, Hat Creek, the Pit River, and Fall River.  About 4 1/2 hrs to the upper part of the Trinity.  Lots of other small streams and lakes in this Shasta area. You can drive about 4 to 4 1/2 hrs. east and fish the Tahoe area in the Sierra – Truckee, Little Truckee, and numerous small streams and lakes. As long as Tioga Pass through Yosemite is open, the Eastern Sierra is about a 5 1/2 hr. trip.  Lots of great fishing around the Mammoth Lakes area to the south of the pass and the Bridgeport/Twin Lakes area to the North of the pass.  Most of this area closes October 31st, so be sure to check the regs. If you plan on fishing the Sierra, pick up a copy of Ralph Cutter’s book "Sierra Trout Guide".  It is invaluable to get you started in the Sierra and to help you plan trips for years to come. Since you live in San Mateo, you should take Hwy. 92 west to Half Moon Bay.  You can fish up and down the coast from there for Surf Perch and Rockfish.  Pick up a copy of Ken Hanley’s book "Afoot in the Surf Zone" for specifics on beaches, times, and quarry.  Don’t attempt this during the Pumpkin Festival as you could probably drive to Tahoe in the time it takes to travel the 20 or so miles to HMB during the festival.  Normally it’s a pretty quick trip – 1/2 hr. or so.   During June and July you can sometimes catch stripers in the surf at the beaches around the golden gate.  Fairly consistent striper fishing can be had in the delta, though you need a boat to do so.   If you drive down to Sant Cruz or Monterey you can rent a boat and go fish the kelp bed for Kelp Bass. And then of course, there’s the steelhead fishing on the north coast that is just starting.                              Good Fishing,                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Mike Lynch) writes: I moved to the SF Bay area about 6 mos. ago and I thought I left my fly-fishing days behind me in Utah (where I’m from).  Anyway, I’ve actually heard there’s some good fishing around SF (I live in San Mateo). Any suggestions on where to fish, when to fish, good shops, what to fish for, etc. would be greatly appreciated.  Also, what about saltwater flyfishing – I’ve never done it – popular around here? Hi Mike and welcome to the neighborhood. As far as shops go there are a bunch: the Midge shop in Los Altos, The Caddis (somewhere in Belmont), the Ultimate in San Bruno, and of course Orvis in San Francisco (where I can be found when I’m not teaching schools), – also Fly Fishing Outfitters around the corner from Orvis. There are only a few places that are day trips out of SF to fish.  Putah Creek coming out of Lake Berryessa is about 1 1/2 hr. from San Mateo (I live in San Mateo).  The Stanislaus River below Goodwin Dam and the Mokulumne River below Comanche Dam are a little over two hours away.  Both the Stanislaus and the Mokulumne are closed now to allow the salmon a chance to spawn unmolested, but will re-open on Jan 1st.   Through Nov. 15th you can drive 5 to 6 hours north and fish the Upper Sac, the McCloud, Hat Creek, the Pit River, and Fall River.  About 4 1/2 hrs to the upper part of the Trinity.  Lots of other small streams and lakes in this Shasta area. You can drive about 4 to 4 1/2 hrs. east and fish the Tahoe area in the Sierra – Truckee, Little Truckee, and numerous small streams and lakes. As long as Tioga Pass through Yosemite is open, the Eastern Sierra is about a 5 1/2 hr. trip.  Lots of great fishing around the Mammoth Lakes area to the south of the pass and the Bridgeport/Twin Lakes area to the North of the pass.  Most of this area closes October 31st, so be sure to check the regs. If you plan on fishing the Sierra, pick up a copy of Ralph Cutter’s book "Sierra Trout Guide".  It is invaluable to get you started in the Sierra and to help you plan trips for years to come. Since you live in San Mateo, you should take Hwy. 92 west to Half Moon Bay.  You can fish up and down the coast from there for Surf Perch and Rockfish.  Pick up a copy of Ken Hanley’s book "Afoot in the Surf Zone" for specifics on beaches, times, and quarry.  Don’t attempt this during the Pumpkin Festival as you could probably drive to Tahoe in the time it takes to travel the 20 or so miles to HMB during the festival.  Normally it’s a pretty quick trip – 1/2 hr. or so.   During June and July you can sometimes catch stripers in the surf at the beaches around the golden gate.  Fairly consistent striper fishing can be had in the delta, though you need a boat to do so.   If you drive down to Sant Cruz or Monterey you can rent a boat and go fish the kelp bed for Kelp Bass. And then of course, there’s the steelhead fishing on the north coast that is just starting.                             Good Fishing,                                  Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

Snip Funny, I moved ther other way… CA to UT. The fishing here is great. I just wanted to mention the Cassel Forebay near Hat Creek in northern CA. Returned there two weekends ago for my annual Columbus Day trip and thought the place is getting better all the time. I know Dick Gallands house and school are right there, but best kept secrets need to leak out once in a while                 Draper, Utah Wherever you go….. There you will be

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Hi all, I moved to the SF Bay area about 6 mos. ago and I thought I left my fly-fishing days behind me in Utah (where I’m from).  Anyway, I’ve actually heard there’s some good fishing around SF (I live in San Mateo). Any suggestions on where to fish, when to fish, good shops, what to fish for, etc. would be greatly appreciated.  Also, what about saltwater flyfishing – I’ve never done it – popular around here? Thanks, Mike Lynch

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Planning a potential:-) two-week trip to Rockies in..?Feb-March.. sometime…..for skiing.  Are there any relatively shallow waters fishable then…or when….  Including some lightline flyfishing   would definitely add a lot to the trip.  Although judging from the springtime entries…to beat the spring *thaw*:-) seems to be anytime before late june!..?.. out there. feel free to email…. tight_lines, steve d.

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Planning a potential:-) two-week trip to Rockies in..?Feb-March.. sometime…..for skiing.  Are there any relatively shallow waters fishable then…or when….  Including some lightline flyfishing would definitely add a lot to the trip.  Although judging from the springtime entries…to beat the spring *thaw*:-) seems to be anytime before late june!..?.. out there. feel free to email…. tight_lines, steve d.

Hi Steve, You can experience great skiing at Big Sky or Bridger Bowl near Bozeman.  The fishing that time of year on Nelson’s spring creek (not sure about the outcome with Depuys/Armstrongs yet), the Beaver Head, and the Big Horn are all great.  Mid day midges, blue winged olives, etc. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

No, but I hear smoking a rat works well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

  Morgan  Try eating lots of vitamin B-12 a week or so before you go. Deet products do work though.   Harry

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Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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: Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a : residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. : : Rich : Utah Fish Finder : http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing : Has anyone mentioned the smelly kind of Bounce pined to your collar or fishing hat? I use it to keep deer flies away. Cheers, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

     (I missed part of this thread, so if I repeat things I apologise.)      Many years ago, I spent two summers working on an archeological project in the Malheur Refuge/Blitzen River region of southeastern Oregon.  This is SERIOUS mosquito country, and we tried everything under the sun (there was plenty of that, too.)  DEET worked best, but it is yucky, maybe dangerous,etc etc.  Here’s a quick summary of our experiments: SMOKE:  Cigar and pipe smoke definitely help.  I smoked a very cheap brand of pipe tobacco called Granger, but I haven’t seen this for years.  A really effective method, taught to us by a Basque geologist, was to make a sort of incense burner out of a large tin can and burn dried cow chips upwind of where we were excavating, though this wouldn’t work for fishing.  (This smoke does not stink.) OILS: The Organic/Vegetarians among us tried oils of pennyroyal, eucalyptus, citronella, camphor, and cedar.  These weren’t much help; they were most effective when mixed with mineral oil or vaseline to give a greasy coating to the skin.  FYI, pennyroyal smells like an angry skunk wearing patchouli. VITAMINS: Some folks tried taking massive doses of B vitamins.  I don’t know if this worked on the bugs, but the users smelled faintly of vitamins after a while. COVERAGE: One fellow was very sensitive to bug bites, and took to wearing a mesh mask and long sleeved shirts.  He cut a very mysterious figure out there in the High Desert, but this worked  well, especially when he sprayed the shirt and mask lightly with DEET-based repellent.  I have since heard of people installing a transparent plastic view port in a mesh mask to improve vision.      Hope this helps.  –Roger (formerly an archeologist) Wiggin, Portland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs). Perhaps it has something to do with body chemistry. All Terrain out of California make a bug repellent and bug repellent/sun screen combo that has no DEET or other nasty stuff. I have tested it and it works if your problem is not to bad, i.e. won’t handle northwoods blackflies. I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. If the problem is severe, there is no substitute for DEET. When faced with a trip to a blackfly infested area I don’t use any soap or shampoo for several days before or during the duration of the trip, and then try and use as little of a very strong Deet solution as possible. Bug jackets are another solution but they can be a pain and, as a smoker, I can’t handle net over my face. I concur as well with the earlier advice about cigars, I like to have several packages of the stinkiest and longest lasting I can find. Paul Marriner

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Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs)…I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. …

This has been my experience also.  The active mosquito-repelling ingredient in Skin-So-Soft is good old citronella.  It works for mosquitoes for awhile, but after the citronella wears off in an hour or so, it’s time for more.  It does come in a sun screen variety, by the way. All in all, for long lasting mosquito protection, DEET is the only thing that really works.  Of course, it’s also a darn good solvent for plastic.

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…?

Maybe they were skeeters transplanted from Colorado. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I make my own repellent. I call it "TBone’s Artificial Bug Repellent".  I still get the crap bit out of me by real bugs, but every time a try to to on an artificial, I drop it into the river never to be seen again, so I know that it works. TimW

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off. Regards, — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off.

AHH GOOD NEWS, WERE IN LUCK !!!! Plenty of B Vites in the beer I’ll bring along…what time are we leaving ?!?!? TimW

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

I used Natrapel last week where there were swarms of mosquitos.   Worked very well!  Got about four bites after 2 nights of camping/fishing.

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I have heard this from other sources but unfortunately it is not true the Skintastic is DEET-free. Skintastic contains N,N-diethyl-meta-toluamide which is DEET. The selling points for Skintastic are that it contains less DEET (6.65%), has aloe for the skin and is not supposed to feel greasy. DEET got a bad name when it was linked to Gulf War Syndrome where it is thought to have been a causative agent when administered in combination with an anti-nerve gas drug (a cholinesterase inhibitor, I believe). DEET has also been implicated in neurotoxic reactions in kids when applied frequently with preparations containing high amounts of DEET (50% or more). The only DEET missing from Skintastic is the word DEET on the label. The marketing people probably wanted to avoid pushing the DEET! hot buttons of consumers. Typical, just avoid the D-word and it will be all right. From what I have read, DEET repels bugs in a concentration dependent manner with 25% DEET being adequate for ticks and less needed for mosquitoes. Apparently, 56% of DEET applied to the skin is absorbed into your system where it is deposited in fat and takes several months to be mobilized and then metabolized in the liver for excretion. Thus, the more you apply the more you accumulate. The duration of effect is also concentration dependent since DEET evaporates and then requires reapplication. Higher concentrations give a longer lasting effect. The totality of the toxic effects of DEET remain unclear. However, young children seem to be the most affected either due to body size or inherent sensitivity. I suppose it will take a generation of adult guinea pigs to ascertain any long term effects of DEET use in adults. My wife and I generally try to apply DEET products to our clothes. We use a bandana with DEET on it that hangs over the forehead and over the back of the neck under a broadbrimmed hat for head protection. This seems to generate a DEET miasma in the air near the skin and works well on mosquitoes and blackflies. This leaves the hands as a target where we apply as little DEET as possible. For our daughter (22 mo.), we don’t use any DEET but dress her with turtle neck shirt and long pants and use citronella oil wipes on her exposed skin. This works OK but requires frequent reapplication. It would be interesting to hear some more nonDEET repellent strategies. Live long and bug-free. Jon

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…? Roger Saathoff Lubbock

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

   Note:   I have been using strips of Downy fabric softner tyed to my shirt or hat with some success in keeping bugs away.  Not 100% but it helps.   Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines           Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown            http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

This is a pretty common problem.  Someone taught me a trick recently.  When you apply DEET, put it on the BACK of one hand, and rub the backs of your hands together.  Try to avoid getting DEET on the front of your hands. Good Luck Scott

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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I will be in Yellowstone NP in middle through late July. I am taking my family and will have limited time to fish. I have read all of the standard publications (e.g. Brooks). I am looking for some local advice with respect to the streams and patterns for area. I have fished here several times in the distant past and am an experienced Flyfisherman. This will be my son’s first trip. Thanks in advance.

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I will be in Yellowstone NP in middle through late July. I am taking my family and will have limited time to fish. I have read all of the standard publications (e.g. Brooks). I am looking for some local advice with respect to the streams and patterns for area. I have fished here several times in the distant past and am an experienced Flyfisherman. This will be my son’s first trip. Thanks in advance.

Hi Bill When you arrive be sure to check with one of the local shops like Bob Jacklin’s Fly Shop (406-646-7336).  They can provide up-to-the minute pattern information.  Good general patterns are Wooly Buggers, Muddlers, Hare’s Ears, small Soft Hackles, Grass Hoppers, Humpies, Royal Wulffs, H&L Variants, Renegades, and Compara or Sparkle Duns. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I will be in Yellowstone NP in middle through late July. I am taking my family and will have limited time to fish.

Hi Bill, There are great family opportunities in YNP. My favorite is Yellowstone Lake. I was just at the lake over the weekend and fishing was the best I have ever experienced there. Water levels are at record highs, concentrating the fish in the shoreline shallows. Woolly buggers in any style were producing well, sink tip lines, erratic retrieves. "Fish on" no less than once every ten casts, with the cutts ranging from 15" – 19". Best areas right now are around the West Thumb, although I heard of decent, but not excellent fishing around Bridge Bay. Great place to take a kid. Also, the upper Yellowstone River will be open July 15, and if you can manage to find places to fish (i.e., beat the crowds), the Buffalo Ford Picnic Area on the Yellowstone River is a great place to catch nice cutthroats, with not "too" much challenge (does not apply into August-September, however, when the fish can be somewhat difficult to catch!). The water should be clear by then. It was fishable but slightly cloudy this weekend. For the more experienced and patient, the Firehole and Madison are both fishing very well right now, and shouldn’t change for a few weeks, unless park thunderstorms wreak havoc on those drainages. In late July and August, however, my favorite kids picks are the small creeks. They provide a tremendous learning environment, the fish eat #8 Royal Wulffs, and there are plenty creeks to go around without being crowded. There are so many of these that contain great populations of small brookies and cutthroats that I can’t begin to name them. My recommendation is to consult the book, "Fly Fishing Yellowstone National Park" (or "Guide to Fishing YNP" or something like that, a little paperback, 125 pages or so, gives a summary of park waters by "sections"). For fly selections, take Buggers and Leeches if you hit Yellowstone Lake (tied beadhead style or with a little flash), Wulffs, Trudes, Humpies, or Elk Hair Caddis for the small creeks (size 14 typical), Fluttering Caddis, Partridge Caddis, Thorax Duns, Parachute Duns, Sparkle Duns (i.e., slow water/flat water style flies) for the Yellowstone, Madison, or Firehole Rivers to match darker mayflies (olive size 16-18, brown size 14) and lighter mayflies (pale yellow size 14-16), tan/brown caddis (#12-14), gray caddis (#16), and black caddis (#18-20). For emergers/nymphs in these rivers, my picks include pheasant tails (#14-18), Lawson- or Harrop-style cripple duns (#16-18), and Z-Caddis or LaFontaine caddis emergers. Good Luck! Ryan Jordan

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A good friend of mine is an outfitter in Montana and has just finished   his new web site. He was to bashful to post the address on this BB, but I’m not! Check it out at: http://www.iigi.comos/montana/diamondn/diamondn.htm Catch ya later Dale Owens

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Correction on the web site address: note that all slashes are forward. I typed one in as a back slash by mistake. Dale

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I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my local mail handler…

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(Richard Hall) writes: I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my

local mail handler… I didn’t even know there was a fly fishing mailing list.  How do I subscribe?

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