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Warning: another Scoobey Bellows TR, short on fish and long on everything else: Just got back from four days in Yosemite — kicking back next to an alpine lake at 10,000′ on Sat. night, watching the Perseid meteor shower, with the huge streaks punctuated by distant flashes of lightning, was the high point — but the fishing wasn’t too astounding. Departed Tuolumne Meadows, north of the main valley (love the valley, but not the tourists there). Friday, on the hike in, along Rafferty Creek I think it’s called, I saw lots of little, tiny goldens in the creek, acting just like grown-up trout. Could have just stared at them for hours. Camped that night at Booth Lake, close to the 10,000 foot level; that lake has a narrow (5 ft wide?) band of vegetation around the perimeter, and in the late afternoon trout started dimpling the surface right there, close to shore. I couldn’t see what the hatch was — assume callibaetis but could see no duns — but I saw a couple of small white moths flutter by. I have no idea whether there is any such thing as an aquatic moth, but it was the only insect in view. So, I decided to tie on a CDC sulfur emerger: could be a callibaetis, could be a moth caught on the surface, was my thinking. Picked up a nice little (6") trout on the first cast. Really interesting color: green/tan on the sides (golden trout?), but blood-red on top. If you know what that is, please tell me. Released him, sacrificing the deeply-hooked fly; lost another fly for no reason other than mistying the knot in the dark; then a bat started chasing my casts back and forth and, remembering Tom L.’s story about whacking a bat back and forth on the water thinking "damn, this streamer’s really heavy," called it quits. (Camped in the Hennessy Hammock that some of the Penn’s Clave folks saw. Interesting factoid: did you know that the temperature inside a nylon hammock tends to resemble that outside? D’oh! I never realized how much the ground acts as a heat sink when you’re in a regular tent. Temp dropped below 32 degress up on top of that mountain, and I froze my keister. Slept outside on the ground the other nights: much warmer (though definitely still not warm enough). I like that hammock idea, but it’s too cold for anything other than warm-weather. (Their website shows how to bungee a space blanket to the underside for warmth, but it seems too mickeymouse to mess with. Jury’s still out, but I may be trading for an old-fashioned one-man tent. )) Second night camped at a higher, sterile lake. Weird topography: so grassy around the marge it was like a lawn, but with big humps and hummocks serrated by twisting gravel channels that sometimes must carry water but at that time were dry; and beaches on the lake, pure light-colored sand; weird kicking back on the beach with your shirt off in the bright sunshine at 10,000′. That’s where we saw the Perseids. Next day we hiked up to a 10,600′ pass — a nice, neat two-miles-high — scrambled up an even taller granite ridge nearby, goggled at the views. Could see a smalllightning-strike fire burning on a steep slope ahead of us, across the North Fork Tuolumne River in the Ansel Adams Wilderness. I was a little concerned — fires usually burn uphill, but not always, so was planning our routes out if it jumped the river. (Spent two summers in college as an AD firefighter for the Forest Service.) But, no worries; Park Service was just letting it burn under wilderness rules, it kept to its side of the river and it was fun to watch it as we got nearer. Camped the last night along the John Muir Trail, on a stretch of river running through a wide meadow. Reasonably big though slow water, but again, very very small trout. More fun to watch than to fish for. An invisible hatch: nothing bumping the surface of the water, struggling, sending rings outward, and fish rising, and never could see a damn thing; and no midges in the air. Time for Zen fishing: no bug, no fly, no rod. Then a short hike back to the Meadows to close the loop, with a stop on the way to skinny-dip under an underwater stone arch formed at the base of a little waterfall. Cold, cold water, deep pool, hot sunny day: never gets better. So once again, fishing serves as an excuse or just a supplement to the joys of getting out there. Hope everyone else’s summer’s going as well (but hopefully with bigger fish, the icing on the cake). — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce

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Every summer I go on a backpack/kayak/raft/float plane/something like that trip with my two best friends from junior high and high school, even though one now lives in St. Louis and the other in Thousand Oaks, an hour outside LA. (That may not be the belly of the beast, but it’s at least its esophagus. He even called SF "Frisco" twice on our trip. I seriously considered "accidentally" giving him a shove off a lovely lookout.) Mu, I just noticed you’re at U of M. My brother, Nick Bellows, goes there. Go blue!

Actually, I’m in Thousand Oaks!  I’m trying to hold on to this umich account for as long as possible.  Has great anti-spam capabilities and it’s UNIX.  I’m not gonna find those two combinations in any other easily availble net service. Mu

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Just got back from four days in Yosemite — kicking back next to an alpine lake at 10,000′ on Sat. night, watching the Perseid meteor shower, with the huge streaks punctuated by distant flashes of lightning, was the high point

Went to Joshhua Tree NP.  Never got below 80 at night and it was humid. Lightning in the distance was interesting but cloud cover limited my meteor count to 5 Interesting TR.  Have yet to go to Yosemite though it’s only 6 hours away. Don’t you live in Oregon? Mu

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Yep, live near Portland, but am Bay Area born and raised. (A native Oregonian friend put it this way: "If you weren’t born in Oregon, you’ll never be an Oregonian. But if you’re a native Northern Californian, we will grant you sanctuary.") Every summer I go on a backpack/kayak/raft/float plane/something like that trip with my two best friends from junior high and high school, even though one now lives in St. Louis and the other in Thousand Oaks, an hour outside LA. (That may not be the belly of the beast, but it’s at least its esophagus. He even called SF "Frisco" twice on our trip. I seriously considered "accidentally" giving him a shove off a lovely lookout.) Mu, I just noticed you’re at U of M. My brother, Nick Bellows, goes there. Go blue! — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have yet to go to Yosemite though it’s only 6 hours away. Don’t you live in Oregon? Mu

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Thanks guy.  Those high passes are wonderful.  Feels like you can see around the world.      Frank Reid

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Warning: another Scoobey Bellows TR, short on fish and long on everything else:

Sounds like heaven. Thanks for the report. TL MC

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snipped great stuff:  A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory).  I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water.  After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him.  A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure.

You and Sacajaweah are in love, no?  You and "bird woman?"  ("Sacagawea") Sacajawea means "boat pusher or launcher" Sacajawea also in my mind’s eye (because I am an insatiable romantic) still means "Bird Woman" to me.  She, of all women in America, is to me the greatest of all in our history.  So . . . in a phrase, you went fishing with Bird Woman and she made you smile, a bit? Great post Warren.  I mean it. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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 A wonderful fight on the 4 wt

Yes indeed.  My love of this rod is no secret and I have been eager for the changing of the seasons to get her back in the line up. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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:The fishing should be prime right now, just before Run Off, so you best get :those licks in ASAP.  Spring is here, big man.  I’ve been hitting the Snake almost :daily and it is stunning just how eager the fish are right now. Willi and I were talking about this earlier today.  Over the last couple of weeks I have noticed quite a change in the behavior of our resident piscatorial neighbors.  They are very eager to eat after a long, cold winter.  I was telling Willi, that fall and right after winter are just about the only times I can ever get fish on big flies consistently.  Every trip out merely confirms this belief until Spring is finally settled in and Summer approaches. :I know the Arkansas River in Salida, Colorad is prime now as run off starts in :April but I think it will be early all over the North West, don’t you? :Have to run.  Got cork handles to bore out and fit. :And a #32 fly to tie. : ; ) Yes, I think runoff will be a tad bit early.  The Yellowstone was already showing signs of early runoff.  If I hadn’t lived there and fished it regularly, I doubt I would have noticed the slight change. After experiencing it for a couple of years you start to know the water and know the stages of runoff just by the color and what to expect by the weather.  If this recent bit of cold lasts, it may just delay things a bit though.  I have almost quit watching the weather reports because they are wrong more often than not, but I think I am going to start keeping better track during this time of year and hope they are right. The good news is that I am not sure runoff will be all that long. With another bad year for snowpack, I doubt things will be as bad as a "normal" year.  The other bit of good news is that the weather has been operating in terms of "pockets".  It was windy, cold and sunny today in Bozeman, but cloudy, warmer and calm in Livingston.  Ennis has been getting some nice weather according to the news, but West Yellowstone has been repeatedly colder, cloudier, and has more snow. If everything works out like I hope it will, I will be able to fish through most of runoff season yet again due to this pocket effect. I’m hoping at least. Get to that #32.  You are supposed to send me one <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Went fishing today in a long side channel of the Yellowstone that is easily accessible and very wadable.  I couldn’t see any activity from the bank as I rigged up, but decided to use the bamboo in case I came across any rising fish.  The water was a touch off color, but not bad enough to really affect visibility.  I rigged up two nymphs and made my way to the river and to the spot I always start at. After my first couple of casts I began to notice a few fish feeding off the surface.  I couldn’t see what they were rising to, but started looking around and saw mostly midges with very few baetis mixed in.  I decided to clip off the nymphs and fish dries and was rewarded with a chubby little rainbow of about 10" right off the bat.  I caught a couple more and decided to work my way downstream a little further.  I didn’t see any more rising fish so I switched over to a nymph and a big rubber leg brownstone for the deep pools. I worked my way through the deep pools and picked up a couple of fish. The sun began to shine as a big empty patch in the clouds came into position.  I never did see any more rising fish as it stayed sunny for the remainder of my stay, but I had good luck with the olive CDC GRHE and brownstone.  The fish in the faster sections were just hammering the brownstone. There is a section that I really like to fish that has several ridges of rock in the channel.  I don’t know what kind of rock it is, but it looks like maybe some kind of shale.  It is really flaky and the layers stand up almost vertically.  I like to call them the "spines" for lack of a better term.  Anyway, I caught several of fish throughout this area as well as losing several flies to the rocks. My biggest fish of the day, an 18" rainbow that was FAT, took the brownstone.  I thought I was caught up along the bottom because I set the hook when the indicator paused and just felt solid weight like I was hung up on a rock.  After several jerks, all of the sudden it was zzzzzzzz as line starting peeling off.  A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory).  I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water.  After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him.  A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure. I caught a few more fish and found a pod of whitefish that proved to be fun.  I also hooked a really nice brown deep in the "spines" that I got to the surface.  When he felt the cold air he violently thrashed on the surface and put on a nice acrobatic display before breaking me off.  I lost several more flies along the bottom and eventually called it quits after having had my fill of fish for the day.  All in all, it was another very pleasant day by myself on a fine river.   I can only hope that the wind in Bozeman dies down tonight so I can hit the Gallatin tomorrow. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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My friend Michael had some unusual interest a couple of years ago while fishing a P&O it was taken on his backcast by a dragonfly. Later while he was telling his fishing partner about this it happened again and it was witnessed. Each yearwhile at the Southern Conclave in Mountain Home i tie a dozen for the kids who fish togeather in a kids only section of the Norfolk River and only last year did they not take a bunch of fish for them. Last year was real different cause I have a friend that said that it was the first year in the last seventeen years that soft hackles did not work for him in that river during the conclave. This is another of the many things that I find that I do not pretend to understand. Soft hackles and bamboo rods seem to go togeather very well. You might want to tie up a few of the old Arkansas pattern called the Red Ass which is simply a partridge and peacock hurl tied with a red thread abdomen. Big Dale

You had sent me the recipe on the Red Ass before and I had forgotten it, thanks for the reminder.  I’m sure I can cook up some steelhead friendly versions of it too. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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My friend Michael had some unusual interest a couple of years ago while fishing a P&O it was taken on his backcast by a dragonfly. Later while he was telling his fishing partner about this it happened again and it was witnessed

This happened to a buddy of mine two years ago! The dragonfly was actually trying to fly off with his fly. He pulled it in and cast the dragonfly into the creek (still gnawing his fly) which was immediately attacked and mostly consumed by a trout, leaving him with a dragonfly-head-on-a-fly to cast about. He caught no fish with just the head. Sean

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Tying the old north country style of wet flies is very addictive. Big Dale

Okay Dale, define that for me, please? — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Here you go George: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/emt3/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tying the old north country style of wet flies is very addictive. Big Dale Okay Dale, define that for me, please? —

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Funny how great minds think alike. About a year ago while tying at a weekly meeting of The Roadkill Roundtable my mind started wandering and I put a size 14 wet fly hook in the vise and started with about 5 fibers of zelon as a trailing shuck. I had a 12 pack of superfine dubbing with me so I then dubbed a body of chartreuse. Then I added a collar of bobwhite quail tied like you said with the fibers stripped from one side of the feather. I am sorry that I did not think of the read head. Mine worked very well last summer for my beloved bluegills and last fall for a few rainbows over in Arkansas. I am looking forward to hearing how they work for you. Tying the old north country style of wet flies is very addictive. Big Dale

These old wets were the first flies I tied and used. My first fish on my own fly was a half pound largemouth on a Partridge and Orange that a had fished on a slow pulse retrieve.  All of my early trout were either taken on a P&O or an EHC.  A few months ago, I picked up some Pearsall’s silk and a starling skin – they’re still sitting on the bench.  Perhaps this weekend. I’ll let you know how they work for ‘gills too, once the warm weather arrives. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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my own fly was a half pound largemouth on a Partridge and Orange that a had fished on a slow pulse retrieve.  All of my early trout were either taken on a P&O or an EHC.  

My friend Michael had some unusual interest a couple of years ago while fishing a P&O it was taken on his backcast by a dragonfly. Later while he was telling his fishing partner about this it happened again and it was witnessed. Each yearwhile at the Southern Conclave in Mountain Home i tie a dozen for the kids who fish togeather in a kids only section of the Norfolk River and only last year did they not take a bunch of fish for them. Last year was real different cause I have a friend that said that it was the first year in the last seventeen years that soft hackles did not work for him in that river during the conclave. This is another of the many things that I find that I do not pretend to understand. Soft hackles and bamboo rods seem to go togeather very well. You might want to tie up a few of the old Arkansas pattern called the Red Ass which is simply a partridge and peacock hurl tied with a red thread abdomen. Big Dale

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the bug making business.  On Friday, my big steelie took a plain old Partridge & Orange yet the float rodder who ended up with seven on the day, swears by anything chartreuse.  So add 2 + 2 and I’m tying up size 12 Partridge & Flos on a Kamasan B175 (same as a Mustad 3906) in fluorescent green, chartreuse, or yellow using Uni’s Neon 1/0 braided thread plus a flo red 6/0 head .

Funny how great minds think alike. About a year ago while tying at a weekly meeting of The Roadkill Roundtable my mind started wandering and I put a size 14 wet fly hook in the vise and started with about 5 fibers of zelon as a trailing shuck. I had a 12 pack of superfine dubbing with me so I then dubbed a body of chartreuse. Then I added a collar of bobwhite quail tied like you said with the fibers stripped from one side of the feather. I am sorry that I did not think of the read head. Mine worked very well last summer for my beloved bluegills and last fall for a few rainbows over in Arkansas. I am looking forward to hearing how they work for you. Tying the old north country style of wet flies is very addictive. Big Dale

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The fishing season will start in a couple of weeks and so I was doing some preparations. I decided to dress some basic flypatterns. After  sitting in front of my tying vise and having tied some nice Buck caddis and GRHE goldhead I had been bored of these. So I asked myself a question; which other patterns should I dress and are there any other useful things to do with my fishing gear? I start with my results and hope of some other ROFF(T) hints: Do some pheasant tail nymphs and Adams. Exchange your leaders, which means for me make some new furled leaders. Best Regards and tight lines Wim

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Well, if guys could see what I’m tying now, I’d be drummed out of the bug making business.  On Friday, my big steelie took a plain old Partridge & Orange yet the float rodder who ended up with seven on the day, swears by anything chartreuse.  So add 2 + 2 and I’m tying up size 12 Partridge & Flos on a Kamasan B175 (same as a Mustad 3906) in fluorescent green, chartreuse, or yellow using Uni’s Neon 1/0 braided thread plus a flo red 6/0 head .  Tie on the 1/0 flo, and wrap over a few strands of mallard for the tail, wrap back and tie off.  Tie on the red flo and add two turns of partridge spider style (one side trimmed off.)  It actually doesn’t look all that bad and I think it just might work.   Picture to follow on ABPF.  Field tests due this week.  Stay tuned. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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It would help if you told us where you are (I’m assuming Scotland?). Getting a response from somebody local to you would help better then me telling you we give lessons every Spring in West Springfield, MA. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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I do have some knowledge of loch fishing techniques.  If you don’t want to send me a ticket and put me up for two or three weeks, I suggest you take the winter off and study.  Then go to the Chatsworth Angling Fair at Chatsworth House, Derbyshire in March.  You will meet an incredible number of people who will be more than glad to teach you (for a fee and for free).  You can buy equipment and hang out in fly fishing’s largest candy store.  Wear your wellies as its in a sheep pasture.  You might also want to post to the uk usenet "rec — game" (help me out here folks, what is the name of the Uk fly fishing usenet?).          Cheers               Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It would help if you told us where you are (I’m assuming Scotland?). Getting a response from somebody local to you would help better then me telling you we give lessons every Spring in West Springfield, MA. –Stan I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of.

You could purchase or rent vidoes from a fly shop.  Those with Mel Krieger or Lefty Kreh are fairly good.  Some fly shops offer simple free lessons in their yard or parking lot.  Another good place to go is a local fly fishing club.  You make no mention of where you so it’s difficult to offer more precise advice. Mu

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of.

Hi Sounds like you are in Scotland. If you would care to buy a copy of the Trout and Salmon magazine you will find a number of instructors advertising in the classifieds. If you do not find one near you, contact the nearest and he or she will be able to put you in contact with the nearest registered APGAI, REFFIS or STANIC instructor to you. There are also a number of excellent instructional videos available, again see the Trout and Salmon mag. Pleas for help like this are more easily answered if you give a closer indication as to your whereabouts. Tight lines Chris

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Check out www.letsflyfish.com Ally

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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I was noticing that someone posted a question earlier in this newsgroup asking if there were any books illustrating the lifecycles of flies in certain parts of the US at various times of the year.  I am also looking for info on a good beginning FF setup.  Therefore, if anyone has some good book suggestions on how to choose the right fly depending on where you are and what you’re fishing for as well as any books/catalogs that describe FF equipment and techniques, please post them. Thanks in advance, The Iceburg

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FlyFishing for Dummies is pretty damn good and as simple as things get. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was noticing that someone posted a question earlier in this newsgroup asking if there were any books illustrating the lifecycles of flies in certain parts of the US at various times of the year.  I am also looking for info on a good beginning FF setup.  Therefore, if anyone has some good book suggestions on how to choose the right fly depending on where you are and what you’re fishing for as well as any books/catalogs that describe FF equipment and techniques, please post them. Thanks in advance, The Iceburg

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The CA DFG lets you order a fishing license over the phone and you get a 5% discount.  The cost savings  will help cover the cost of the call to Sacramento.  This can save a trip to the local bait shop or fly shop. = Since I didn=92t go to the local fly shop, I saved the money on the other= things I would have bought while at the fly shop. Call 916-227-2246 and use your credit card.  My license was delivered to me in Silicon Valley in three days.

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This can save a trip to the local bait shop or fly shop. Since I didn

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[Item 1] Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat.

[Item 2] Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend.

[Item 3] And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

I think I must be a little confused by what you’ve written — do you see no contradiction between your complaint in item 1 and your attitude in item 3, which essentially dictates what boats smaller than yours are allowed to do? And, are you really saying in items 2 & 3 that you have no compunctions about swamping canoes simply because they are smaller than your boat?  And your justification is that you feel great hardship is imposed upon you by the cost of maintaining your larger boat?  (Sorry, I inadvertantly deleted that part of your post.) Do you see no contradiction here?

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I don’t know or care what your problem is but you just made it on my kill list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Is boating worth it? AT&T Newsgroups: rec.boats References: snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                           jc Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network. Garry,  I appreciate your above response.  It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied  to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer  W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.  Just remember:  LAWYER + BOAT = FLOATING SHIT  Regards.  D.G.

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asshole I’d kick your fucking ass and piss on your face Cause its really obvious that’s the only type of communication you understand !!! your a dam dickwad mother fucker .. See asshole I don’t need no fucking attorney to take care of your sorry peace of shit Not only do I own a 42 foot Ketch that I built in my own back yard "10 years in the making". But  I also own a 12 foot aluminum Fishing boat . I happen to like catfish !!! Last year I was swamped by a 32 foot power boat in a 300 foot wide channel The mother fucker had the odasidy to fly the third digit as he passed me in the channel . well that’s the last time that asshole flew that finger!!!!! I BROKE IT Yea see there is only two ways you can go on a river he might have got away with it if we where on the big bad ocean but we weren’t ,, I caught up with the asshole at restaurant/bar a few miles up stream Needless to say I spent 30 days in county for fucking this asshole up but it was worth it… I dint like watching my tackle box float down stream … I’ve been a framer half my fucking life I know how to swing a hammer might knock some fucking courtesy into it   I walk the walk,  I talk the talk . and  Ill kick your fucking ass if I ever see  you ASSHOLE  if ya wana meet dickwad  "ANYWARE ANY TIME ASSHOLE"   Email me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

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  It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied   to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer   W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.

Oh Gee, Dave, I’m sorry.  I thought ASSHOLE was the name of your boat.   Hey Dave, the sooner you end up in federal prison, the better off the boating world will be. —         Wm. G. Smith         Admiralty Lawyer         P.O. Box 3017         Framingham, Mass. 01705         (508)877-3119 Practicing in Admiralty, Environmental and Coastal Land Use Planning Visit my web page at http://www.netcom.com/~w.smith/admiralty.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Is boating worth it? AT&T Newsgroups: rec.boats References: snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                               jc Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network.

Garry,   I appreciate your above response.   It appears that a number of smart-ass lawyers replied   to my supposed lack of concern regarding my wake. Admiralty Lawyer   W.Smith referred to me as an ‘ASSHOLE’ in his email msg.   Just remember:  LAWYER + BOAT = FLOATING SHIT   Regards.   D.G.

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I’m just very glad I don’t boat WITH you or NEAR you.

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snip I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him,                                            jc

Funny, I named my sailboat "Blow Me". Garry Heon First Stepp My Opinions….Lucent’s Network.

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And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

 Regardless of a no wake zone or not, I would hope you that if you’re close enough to swamp a smaller craft with your wake that you would slow down. If not then you take your own chances, because if there are witnesses you could face criminal or civil prosecution. The usual disclaimers apply.

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The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

Please go to school. Boating is great fun but you must obey the rules. As far as your wake goes, you are legally and financially responsible for any damages caused by your wake, anywhere, anytime. —            /       Michael W. Madden          / |      215 898-0939        _/  |        /   |      I’d rather be sailing!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it. If you have female passengers, they will complain that you are not driving in a manner considerate to their physical attributes. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend. My reply to complaining females is that they should strap their parts down before getting on board.  To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

I used to live on a little pond where a guy put a big boat with the name Suck My Wake painted in huge letters on the side. You’d like him, he’d pretty much swamp anyone who messed with him on this 1 X .5 mile stretch of water. He’s up in N.Berwick Maine if you feel like tracking him down and starting a club or something….                                                 jc

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The first thing you learn when boating is that others like to tell you how to drive it.

Yeah, who needs to hear all that crap about how you should operate your boat from the International Maritime Organization, the Coast Guard or the State Boating Law Administrator!  Screw ‘em. Then there are those who drive bigger boats that think because their boat is bigger, they have the right to direct your boat.

They may or may not, depending on the circumstances prevailing at the time, have a right to expect you’ll get out of their way.  Under other circumstances, you have a right to expect that they will get out of your way.  If they don’t, you have a positive duty under the law to take prompt, efficient actions to avoid a collision. Then there are those with smaller boats (canoes in my case) that are too afraid that you’ll swamp them or get angry that the wake you leave will ruin their weekend.

It may do worse than that; it may injure or kill them. To those who like to give orders from other boats or shore: EAT MY WAKE.

Another writer has already said this, but it bears repeating: You are personally liable for all damage done by your wake at all times.  Rule 6 of both the Inland and International Rules of the Road absolutely require all mariners to operate at a safe speed at all times.  Whether or not your speed was safe will be determined by whether or not your wake does any damage or by whether you could have avoided doing any kind of damage by proceeding at a slower speed. And those boats smaller than I:  Unless there is a no wake zone – you take your chances.

If you really do operate in this manner, it constitutes "Grossly Negligent Operation" and is a Federal CRIME, punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and up to a year in prison or both.  Personally, I wish the Coast Guard would forget about drugs for a while and more vigorously enforce and prosecute under this statute.  People like you belong in jail. It’s bad enough fixing the boat to keep it running.  But this extra crap: tell it to someone who cares.

There is a legal term to describe someone like you:  ASSHOLE. —         Wm. G. Smith         Admiralty Lawyer         P.O. Box 3017         Framingham, Mass. 01705         (508)877-3119 Practicing in Admiralty, Environmental and Coastal Land Use Planning Visit my web page at http://www.netcom.com/~w.smith/admiralty.html

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

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If you are going out tothe deerfield you better find out how the water level is water has been running real high this year makes for real hard fishing.

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

From all reports that I’ve heard, the Deerfield is basically not even fishable yet, due to high fast water conditions. — David T. Blizard CGI Animator Post Perfect inc. 220E 42nd St New York NY 10017 (W) 212 972 3400 X5394 http://www.users.interport.net/~daveb "Pork, the other white meat!"

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Claude

I am going to the deerfield also this weekend. I lived in a little town called Sunderland which, is a couple of miles from south deerfield (where Yankee Candle is). I fished quite a bit there from the route 91 bridge downstream for a couple miles. The water is a little slower moving but, you can find some great runs. Try right at the rt 91 bridge. There are a few likely spots. Hopefully the water will be down this weekend. I was there a couple of weeks ago and it was chocolate milk ! good luck.

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Hello Ron, and welcome          Forget the Rouge River. Its closer to an industrial waste carrier than a habitat for any life. Probably your closest shot to a local place is Paint Creek in Rochester, or the Huron River near Wixom, at the Proud Lake Recreation area.       Tight lines,       Damian

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Hi Ron, If you are going to be here in April,  and you don’t mind catching and releasing planted Browns, then bring your stuff.  There is a place that is less than 30 minutes from Southfield. Tight Lines, Henry

: I have to go to Southfield Michigan on business this month.  Are there : any good fly shops in the area?   : My maps show the "River Rouge" going through this area.  Any good : fishing, or would I have to worry about the river catching on fire? : Any urban anglers out there that can help this Boardman River : fisherman? : Ron : : : Hello Ron, : : There are a (at least) 2 good fly shops near Southfield: : : 1) The Riverbend, 313-350 8484, Southfield :    29229 Northw. Hwy (north of 12 mile Road) : : 2) Bueters Outdoors, 810-349 3677, Northville, :    120 E Main Street (8 mile Rd x Novi Rd) : : I am new to this area myself so I don’t know much about : the fishing in the "River Rouge". : Good luck / Stefan

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: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was : getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October : Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but : was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge : cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked : like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared : and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. [snip] : I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was : over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to : cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. You play the fish…the fish plays the fly.  We all crave entertainment. (My guess is that the cutt forgot to *suck*.  I  guess we will have to change the thread title to "Some Cutts really do *suck*".) Next time Ande… please just say "I was on a river the other day".   Please, no names.<g — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wooley) writes: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

Well gee, Not sure about this one. I’ve seen trout act that way too, and maybe I’m just fooling myself, but it seems as though I’ve seen it more in hard fished streams. Don’t think it’s intelligence, but maybe natural selection?   Fish adept at getting the fly the first time are caught first? I know that I’ve seen it most where the fish have lots of time, in long slicks and such. And (come to think of it) the flys were always fairly close to ME, the evil fish catching monster.   Hmmmmmm. Something to ponder anyway. Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

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I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

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