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Hmm…..Do you need a new best friend, Mr. Cooke? /daytripper ("Have Rod, Will Travel"

hey Trip we got a chalk stream in Maine here, I’ve never been up but for you old buddy, I’d make the trip. Flyfish

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Hmm…..Do you need a new best friend, Mr. Cooke? /daytripper ("Have Rod, Will Travel" hey Trip we got a chalk stream in Maine here, I’ve never been up but for you old buddy, I’d make the trip. Flyfish

Just make sure that there is no climb involved, especially no climb with speed bumps liberally placed along the trail! Op

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This is not the case where I fish, and obviously not the case for wild fish in loughs, where you fish. No – usually chalkstreams – Itchen, Test, Wylie and Avon. Not easy water.

My error. I would have thought the chalkstream fish were fairly "educated" as well. ( I have fished the Costa Beck a few times), but I didn

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Warning: another Scoobey Bellows TR, short on fish and long on everything else: Just got back from four days in Yosemite — kicking back next to an alpine lake at 10,000′ on Sat. night, watching the Perseid meteor shower, with the huge streaks punctuated by distant flashes of lightning, was the high point — but the fishing wasn’t too astounding. Departed Tuolumne Meadows, north of the main valley (love the valley, but not the tourists there). Friday, on the hike in, along Rafferty Creek I think it’s called, I saw lots of little, tiny goldens in the creek, acting just like grown-up trout. Could have just stared at them for hours. Camped that night at Booth Lake, close to the 10,000 foot level; that lake has a narrow (5 ft wide?) band of vegetation around the perimeter, and in the late afternoon trout started dimpling the surface right there, close to shore. I couldn’t see what the hatch was — assume callibaetis but could see no duns — but I saw a couple of small white moths flutter by. I have no idea whether there is any such thing as an aquatic moth, but it was the only insect in view. So, I decided to tie on a CDC sulfur emerger: could be a callibaetis, could be a moth caught on the surface, was my thinking. Picked up a nice little (6") trout on the first cast. Really interesting color: green/tan on the sides (golden trout?), but blood-red on top. If you know what that is, please tell me. Released him, sacrificing the deeply-hooked fly; lost another fly for no reason other than mistying the knot in the dark; then a bat started chasing my casts back and forth and, remembering Tom L.’s story about whacking a bat back and forth on the water thinking "damn, this streamer’s really heavy," called it quits. (Camped in the Hennessy Hammock that some of the Penn’s Clave folks saw. Interesting factoid: did you know that the temperature inside a nylon hammock tends to resemble that outside? D’oh! I never realized how much the ground acts as a heat sink when you’re in a regular tent. Temp dropped below 32 degress up on top of that mountain, and I froze my keister. Slept outside on the ground the other nights: much warmer (though definitely still not warm enough). I like that hammock idea, but it’s too cold for anything other than warm-weather. (Their website shows how to bungee a space blanket to the underside for warmth, but it seems too mickeymouse to mess with. Jury’s still out, but I may be trading for an old-fashioned one-man tent. )) Second night camped at a higher, sterile lake. Weird topography: so grassy around the marge it was like a lawn, but with big humps and hummocks serrated by twisting gravel channels that sometimes must carry water but at that time were dry; and beaches on the lake, pure light-colored sand; weird kicking back on the beach with your shirt off in the bright sunshine at 10,000′. That’s where we saw the Perseids. Next day we hiked up to a 10,600′ pass — a nice, neat two-miles-high — scrambled up an even taller granite ridge nearby, goggled at the views. Could see a smalllightning-strike fire burning on a steep slope ahead of us, across the North Fork Tuolumne River in the Ansel Adams Wilderness. I was a little concerned — fires usually burn uphill, but not always, so was planning our routes out if it jumped the river. (Spent two summers in college as an AD firefighter for the Forest Service.) But, no worries; Park Service was just letting it burn under wilderness rules, it kept to its side of the river and it was fun to watch it as we got nearer. Camped the last night along the John Muir Trail, on a stretch of river running through a wide meadow. Reasonably big though slow water, but again, very very small trout. More fun to watch than to fish for. An invisible hatch: nothing bumping the surface of the water, struggling, sending rings outward, and fish rising, and never could see a damn thing; and no midges in the air. Time for Zen fishing: no bug, no fly, no rod. Then a short hike back to the Meadows to close the loop, with a stop on the way to skinny-dip under an underwater stone arch formed at the base of a little waterfall. Cold, cold water, deep pool, hot sunny day: never gets better. So once again, fishing serves as an excuse or just a supplement to the joys of getting out there. Hope everyone else’s summer’s going as well (but hopefully with bigger fish, the icing on the cake). — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce

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Every summer I go on a backpack/kayak/raft/float plane/something like that trip with my two best friends from junior high and high school, even though one now lives in St. Louis and the other in Thousand Oaks, an hour outside LA. (That may not be the belly of the beast, but it’s at least its esophagus. He even called SF "Frisco" twice on our trip. I seriously considered "accidentally" giving him a shove off a lovely lookout.) Mu, I just noticed you’re at U of M. My brother, Nick Bellows, goes there. Go blue!

Actually, I’m in Thousand Oaks!  I’m trying to hold on to this umich account for as long as possible.  Has great anti-spam capabilities and it’s UNIX.  I’m not gonna find those two combinations in any other easily availble net service. Mu

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Just got back from four days in Yosemite — kicking back next to an alpine lake at 10,000′ on Sat. night, watching the Perseid meteor shower, with the huge streaks punctuated by distant flashes of lightning, was the high point

Went to Joshhua Tree NP.  Never got below 80 at night and it was humid. Lightning in the distance was interesting but cloud cover limited my meteor count to 5 Interesting TR.  Have yet to go to Yosemite though it’s only 6 hours away. Don’t you live in Oregon? Mu

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Yep, live near Portland, but am Bay Area born and raised. (A native Oregonian friend put it this way: "If you weren’t born in Oregon, you’ll never be an Oregonian. But if you’re a native Northern Californian, we will grant you sanctuary.") Every summer I go on a backpack/kayak/raft/float plane/something like that trip with my two best friends from junior high and high school, even though one now lives in St. Louis and the other in Thousand Oaks, an hour outside LA. (That may not be the belly of the beast, but it’s at least its esophagus. He even called SF "Frisco" twice on our trip. I seriously considered "accidentally" giving him a shove off a lovely lookout.) Mu, I just noticed you’re at U of M. My brother, Nick Bellows, goes there. Go blue! — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have yet to go to Yosemite though it’s only 6 hours away. Don’t you live in Oregon? Mu

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Thanks guy.  Those high passes are wonderful.  Feels like you can see around the world.      Frank Reid

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Warning: another Scoobey Bellows TR, short on fish and long on everything else:

Sounds like heaven. Thanks for the report. TL MC

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In San Francisco, some years back, a woman was arrested because she had a live hand grenade in her purse. There was a fishing line leading from her belt to the pin, so that if someone snatched her purse, it would shortly explode, killing the purse snatcher. While I do not feel too bad about the purse snatcher, as the police pointed out, there might be considerable carnage among innocent bystanders. I don’t remember what the legal outcome of the case was, probably an "illegal possession" charge. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to support an earlier statement… see men leave the privates alone…… Mike A Purse-Snatcher’s Worse Nightmare? ROME (Reuters) – Being caught and surrounded by an entire rugby team may just be one of a purse-snatcher’s worst nightmares. And yet, it happened for real to a man who snatched a woman’s purse in the northern Italian city of Bologna. The snatching happened close to a hotel where Serie A teams Benetton Treviso and Fly Flot Cavisano were about to hold a news conference. The pickpocket was spotted by two Benetton team members who ran after him, Italy’s Rugby Federation said in a statement. The two — Andrea Gritti and Massimiliano Perziano — are both full internationals. Lock forward Gritti is two meters tall and weighs an imposing 107 kg while winger Perziano is one of the quickest players in the country. The purse-snatcher, followed by the two players, sought refuge in a kindergarten, which was quickly surrounded by the whole Benetton team. The man was arrested a few minutes later by police. Benetton Treviso and Fly Flot Cavisano are due to play the decisive game for the Serie A championship title on Saturday. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. Copyright

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Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so.

Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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Jay, Because other than to show currency for the flight, he has no right to ask for it.  I’m not paranoid about the FAA, I get along well with most all of them I meet.  But I still won’t just give them anything they demand on a ramp check either if they have no right to see it.  Your freedoms get eroded in your attitude first.  Just one guy’s opinion. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing?

It’s a hassle, but not fatal. Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  

I do.  For one, my logbook sits locked in a fire resistant box at home. It never goes anywhere unless absolutely necessary, which isn’t often anymore. How about your medical, your license?

Don’t worry about those.  Okie City can fax you a temporary replacement in no time, and that’s good until they send you a permanent replacement.  A photocopy won’t fly, though. In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything?

Yes, it would. Larry Fransson Pilots are just plane people with a different air about them.

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Hi David keep in mind the regs only require you to show proof of recency, or, required time for a rating. That includes the flight review and or endorsements. If you are a rated pilot, you do not have to carry your logbook with you. In fact, I advise against it. Some may argue the point of copies, but in absence of any "written" record, what can you produce to show experience or recency? The time you show when you get your physical? I do know of one pilot that used that to show time for insurance purposes. I found an old logbook that dated back into the mid-50’s with the usual student pilot observations of how smooth a landing was, or a place with great burgers, or whatever. To lose one that records your early days as a pilot is a real loss beyond value. One of my entries recorded the first moon landing and my feelings. Another recorded the first dead stick landing of the shuttle. My first spin, my first X-C, not sure where I was over uncharted territory in the Amazon back in the early 60’s, getting caught in a huge sand storm in the Bayuda Desert in Egypt, recording some of the rich and famous I had on board on different flights. I also have quite a few temporary licenses taped into the logs that date back into the 50’s. Fond memories all….well most are!! So, leave the book at home if you don’t have to carry it along. And, if anyone ever asks you to give it up for FAA action or something similar, DON’T DO IT lest you never see it again. At that point you let an aviation attorney take care of the nuances. Remember, whatever you put in that logbook can be declared a legal document and while it can show you complied, it may also send them on a fishing expedition and hammer you for something stupid and unrelated! Been there-done that…. Fly Safe and remember..deny, Deny DENY!! FlyinRock – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

Before you buy.

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Use pages in the back of your logbook to record BFR/IRCC and other such currency flights/training.  Don’t carry your logbook…if ramped, copy and send only those pages to FAA. Government is too big and has developed a bad attitude about our rights, it is time for everybody to demand full liberty in our personal affairs.  Two guys at least have similar opinion. — Jim Macklin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay, Because other than to show currency for the flight, he has no right to ask for it.  I’m not paranoid about the FAA, I get along well with most all of them I meet.  But I still won’t just give them anything they demand on a ramp check either if they have no right to see it.  Your freedoms get eroded in your attitude first.  Just one guy’s opinion. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian" Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?

Absolutely.  I XEROXed mine.  The FAA is pretty lenient about reconstructing lost logbooks.  A XEROX will do fine.  They’ve let people account for time based on old FBO records and receipts. How about your medical, your license?

I keep these in my wallet.  Lost my wallet once.   Phone the FAA and they will FAX you temporaries.  Getting my Driver’s License replaced was harder (not to mention calling all the credit card companies).

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medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything?

Yep, it would. I keep a copy of my logbook on excel, and also have scans of my logbook. Every few months I burn them into a CD and stick them in the bank safety deposit box. Cheap insurance…… -dave

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane.

Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. == Do not reply to "from" address.  (Sorry, this is an anti-spam measure.) ==

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so.

If you DO have it with you, you can likewise say no. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -== Do not reply to "from" address.  (Sorry, this is an anti-spam measure.) ==

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I scan my logbook pages and burn the images onto cdroms as well. More than one cdrom too, copies stored in multiple locations (at home + at office). Each time a fill up a new page in the book, a couple of new cdroms will get created. I plan to copy partial pages to floppies kept with the cdroms (again, redundant copies since a floppy can get zapped too easily). Also  I keep copies of all images on my hard drive on my PC too. My PC stays in a state of perpetual backup. I use a hardware mirroring FastTrak-66 disk drive interface card and have a pair of identical, mirrored disk drives in my pc. Nothing beats having mirrored disks in case one fails. Been there, done that and the cost of the card $75 plus a second 20GB disk $150 is very cheap insurance, besides backing up 20GB of disk contents to tape every night is too much of a hassle. About once a month, all my critical files on the mirrored hard drive pair get copied to cdroms too. DB_Wan_Kenobi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Yep, it would. I keep a copy of my logbook on excel, and also have scans of my logbook. Every few months I burn them into a CD and stick them in the bank safety deposit box. Cheap insurance…… -dave

Before you buy.

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Organizers make great logbooks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Part of the checkout procedure usually involves checking regulatory recency and recent flight experience. ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Every night. I have a simple batch routine that tales all my data files, zips them up, and dumps them on a zip drive. I also have a computerized logbook, so that I have a "reliable record" in case I need to reconstruct my logbook.    (o)/       Denver, Colorado    o O o       www.midlifeflight.com       email? replace "spamaway" with "mkolber"

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I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing?

All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Part of the checkout procedure usually involves checking regulatory recency and recent flight experience. ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive?

Every night. I have a simple batch routine that tales all my data files, zips them up, and dumps them on a zip drive. I also have a computerized logbook, so that I have a "reliable record" in case I need to reconstruct my logbook.     (o)/       Denver, Colorado     o O o       www.midlifeflight.com       email? replace "spamaway" with "mkolber"

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I recommend the following: 1) Don’t carry your logbook with you unless it’s absolutely necessary. There is no requirement for having your logbook along with you on most flights (unless you’re a Recreational Pilot).  Keep the logbook in a safe place at your home or office. 2) Make copies of any endorsements in the logbook.  i.e. Endorsements recommending you for checkrides and/or written tests.  Endorsements for operation of high performance airplane, complex airplane, tailwheel airplane, etc. This is a "just in case" measure, to protect you from loss of the logbook due to fire, theft, flood, etc.  It’s fairly simple if not easy to reconstruct the flying time in a logbook, but it can sometimes be impossible to replace the endorsements. 3) Use an "electronic logbook" as a backup for your hard copy log.  I have two separate computer logbooks in addition to my actual logbook(s), so if either is lost I can use the other to reconstruct.  NOTE – the computer logbook will not have the endorsements in it that the hard copy does.  See #2.  Another advantage of a computer log is that it’s easily searchable. When you need to know how much time you have in different categories/classes/types or even specific airplanes, a computer logbook can give you that info in seconds and can save you a bunch of hunting around in your paper logbook. 4) Have fun and fly safely! Joe Norris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

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Got to go out for a few hours today. It was notable in the fact that of three folks fishing that little puddle of water I was the only one catching. Why? Well could it be due to the fact that I was FLY FISHING?!?! Heh.

(great trip report snipped) Michael – this confirms my experience that some interesting fishing can be found in the oddest places – we just need to be alert to the opportunity. Mark Faulkner

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Michael – this confirms my experience that some interesting fishing can be found in the oddest places – we just need to be alert to the opportunity. Mark Faulkner

Too true! I know this one spot that looks alright and it right off of route 42 after the Walt Whitman Bridge just before the turn off for Deptford Mall. Right under one of the over passes. I think I am gonna try it this summer! — Michael Era

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Hello,     My name is Bernard Vetter, and I am a watercolorist who specializes in painting fly fishing scenes. I would like to invite members of the group to visit my web sites: www.ourartgallery.com/vetter and www.artcrawl.com/bernardvetter.html I would appreciate any comments that you might like to send to me. Although the photos that I sent to the sites for scanning came from the same rolls of film, the scanning quality varied from one site to the other.     I love fly fishing, and I find that people who enjoy the sport are really great.     Thanks     Bernard Vetter

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Hello,     My name is Bernard Vetter, and I am a watercolorist who specializes in painting fly fishing scenes. I would like to invite members of the group to visit my web sites: www.ourartgallery.com/vetter and www.artcrawl.com/bernardvetter.html I would appreciate any comments that you might like to send to me. Although the photos that I sent to the sites for scanning came from the same rolls of film, the scanning quality varied from one site to the other.     I love fly fishing, and I find that people who enjoy the sport are really great.

Welcome to the group Bernard. Hope you enjoy it. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Hi Dan – Glad to se you are on-line again. Missed you while you were out – but I went to ASU ! bob

Hey Bob, Sorry, didn’t mean it as a slam against ASU.  I was making fun of his "gotta get some weapons" post to the fly fishing newsgroup.  I just happened to know that Arizona State is in that area because my daughter lived in Mesa for a while.  I figured this guy was a student there and wondered if his parents knew what he was doing – possibly with the school money.  Didn’t mean anything by it  8^                                                Oops!                                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Dan – Glad to se you are on-line again. Missed you while you were out – but I went to ASU ! bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Allan Gay) writes:     I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season.  If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.  I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible,  I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it.   I will get back to all of you.  I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both.  E-mail me right now for jims, any other cool toys you might have.  I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them.  e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!! You betcha!! we got ‘em.  Use ‘em mostly over here to shoot carp and squawfish.  Have a special today on the whitefish model though only for resident Montanans and Oregonians. YOu must be going to Arizona State right?  Does your mother know you are doing these things?????                                       8^                                            Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Allan Gay) writes:     I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season.  If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.  I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible,  I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it.   I will get back to all of you.  I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both.  E-mail me right now for jims, any other cool toys you might have.  I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them.  e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!!

You betcha!! we got ‘em.  Use ‘em mostly over here to shoot carp and squawfish.  Have a special today on the whitefish model though only for resident Montanans and Oregonians. YOu must be going to Arizona State right?  Does your mother know you are doing these things?????                                       8^                                            Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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     I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season.  If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.  I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible,  I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it.   I will get back to all of you.  I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both.  E-mail me right now for  any other cool toys you might have.  I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them.  e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!!

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Have only fished state parks one of which is Montauk which is the beginning of the current river, also have fished outside the park in the current without much success for the limited time involved.  Look into Crane Creek.

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Where is the 160 acre lake near Montauk Park?

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There are a couple of great spots along the Meremac River.  The first one is just down river from the Meremac Springs State Park to the Dry Fork. The water is clear and cold as a result to the spring.  I caught the nicest brown trout last fall (18").  Caught it on a 4 weight rod with 6x tippet.  The next section is a little further down river at an access point called Cardiac Hill.  You will understand why it is named that when you spend a day on the river and try and make your way back up to the car.  You need to get a map from the conservation department.  It is very difficult to find but well worth it.  Another good spot south of St. James from I-44 is a place called "Windrush".  Privately owned and stocked.  You can pay a flat rate and release or pay by the pound.  The owners limit the stream to 15 or so a day. You need to make a reservation before you show up.  Enjoy fishing and let me know other spots you come across.

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 Any Missouri flyrod fishermen here?  I would like to talk with fly fishers who frequent the Meramec,Current,or any other small Missouri streams in search of trout, smallmouth, or largemouth.                                          Thank you

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monsanto.com!newspump.wustl.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!travel!don.wortmann Distribution: world Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: TRAVEL ONLINE / ST. LOUIS ONLINE – (314) 561-4956 Lines: 4  Any Missouri flyrod fishermen here?  I would like to talk with fly fishers who frequent the Meramec,Current,or any other small Missouri streams in search of trout, smallmouth, or largemouth.                                          Thank you

One of the things I like about Missouri is the quality hunting AND fishing.  I like to go to the trophy area downstream of Montauk State Park as well as the pay-as-you-go fly only areas within the park.  Drifting jigs & wooly worms seems to one of the tickets to success.  Still kinda new at fly fishing but I should get more practice at the 160 ac. lake nearby!  Where do you go in MO? Denis Boyle

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I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer. But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat. Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take the economy route and be unhappy.         Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided         day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion         is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)         tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.         University of Illinois

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together  that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg  patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer.  But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat.  Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take  the economy route and be unhappy.    Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided    day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion    is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)    tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.    University of Illinois

I agree that egg patterns are the best bet, but dry fly fishing in Alaska can be very rewarding.  The reason people don’t catch more fish on drys is because they just don’t try them enough.   They simply assume they will be ineffective.  Alaska is not devoid of insect life, it just takes some exploring and investigating to figure out what the fish are taking.  If you go to Alaska to catch salmon, sure, dry flies are going to be ineffective.  But, if you fish for rainbows and grayling, and you really should, then drys can be a blast!  By the way, that should be McAfee’s Fly Shop, not McFee’s.  Have fun, and catch and release!  Good fishing. -Steve  

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You might want to consider flying into King Salmon on Alaska Airlines and hook up with an outfitter there(sorry no names :I stayed at a flyout camp). An outfitter can set you up to float the American River, which is an oustanding remote dryfly river. It will take about 4-5 days to float the river to the mouth on Bristol Bay. Great big country and has a major bear problem( last year had major league charge from a big male who was protecting his fresh moose calf kill) .Don’t go alone! The flys I used were: Royal Wulff 12,14                                Yellow Humpy 12,14,16                                Gray Caddis-various                                 Royal Stimulator 12,14 The rainbows liked the Royal ties and the Grayling liked the the more subdued colors Adams etc.You should catch at least 100+ per day! (you must release all fish in the Bristol Bay watershed) FRANK

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

There are ways to fish Alaska fairly inexpensively after you get here. The biggest expense is the cost of an airline ticket.  Once here, the USFS has cabins they rent for $25/night on some excellent fishing systems.   What species are you specifically interested in?  Southeast Alaska has cutthroat trout, steelhead, rainbow fishing in June.  The Bristol Bay area is known for its outstanding rainbow fishing. Let me know some specifics on what your interested in and we have informational leaflets that I can send to help you out. Doug Jones

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Modern graphite rods can cast considerably farther than bamboo, and the long false-casts made the casting scenes more dramatic, especially to non-flyfisher folks. They are much better and softer than these plastic rods.

Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. You can serve the fly much softer…

Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts with potentially large flies are very useful. … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite …

Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) …

Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ??

Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t give up my graphite. Thomas Gilg

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.   Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

The main reason seems to be that the original Montague 8 1/2" 4 1/2 oz bamboos are now very rare and *very* valuable.  In the movie they only used Montagues for close ups and for shots where they needed the slower action of the cane rod.  They did not want to break any rods when playing buckets full of rocks or even when fighting "Fernando", the model fish. Denbigh

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| They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. | | Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, | sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. | | You can serve the fly much softer… | | Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? | | Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are | large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts | with potentially large flies are very useful. Yes you are right. Here in Germany we dont’t have these large fast rivers and no steeelhaeds. We have small rivers with with good natural grayling and trout populations. So for this ‘fine’ fishing I think they are the best choice because of their soft and special action that you can’t reach with artificial rods. | | … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when | you have to feel the bite … | | Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! Yes, it’s a kind of nymphing. | … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) … | | Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, | lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. For wet fly it’s O.K.. But I mean for dry fly you need a in your words ’sensitive’ (excuse my english) rod and a good technik to imitate a fly running up the stream. Otherwise your fly is diving like a submarine. | | In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. | What is it in USA ?? | | Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most | only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by | a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. | | I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my | sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t | give up my graphite. | | Thomas Gilg Sure it has something nostalgic, maybe I am nostalgic too. I think you will agree with me when I say flyfishing is more than a hi-tec sport and not only the facts make you (and me) to buy a bamboo rod. And as longer I fish it’s more the fish in the water which fascinates me than the fish in my bag. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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etc. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf

My soul cringes at the thought of Shirley McLane (sp?) writing about fly fishing.  A River Runs Through It was written by *Norman* Maclean. Shirley M. is a weird US actress with strong views on her previous lives; Norman M. was very different. Incidentally, in the original he wrote "haunted" not "followed." Denbigh

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Olaf Lindner writes: A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$.

Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.  Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know where I’ll spend my money.

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| | Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover | the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.   That’s true but the point is not the range of fishing situations than the specia l action of a well built split cane rod. I see that this is a very dificult theme and at the end a personal decision. | Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know | where I’ll spend my money. Hope you have fun. Olaf (Excuse me about the mistake with the names ‘Sherley’ and ‘Norman’. I don’t know  who it (Sherley) is (I only heard the name sometimes in the TV) but it sounds t errible.) — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Thomas J. Gilg’s response to Olaf Lindner is right on the mark.  The only thing I can add is that bamboo rod’s are wonderful for small eastern spring creeks with lot’s of brush overhead.  Maybe Olaf is faced with kind of situation.   One other thought is that not every bamboo rod is good.  I’ve cast lots of junk.  Good rods seem to start at around $1000 (new or old).  The collection craze has recently driven the price of bamboo rods out of sight good and bad.  I’ve seen people at shows pay +$400 for a machine made japanese piece of junk.  I just can’t justify paying +$1000 for a rod that for all it’s beauty will be out performed by a rod of 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.  

Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ?? They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. I got my first Spilt Cane rod on a Fly-Fishing congress in Germany these Spring for 800,- DM (about 500$). A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$. O.K. I agree with you when you say that’s crazy but Most people who have fished with one of these rods they will never again take these plastics. You can serve the fly much softer and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite or you want to lead the fly against the flow) they are probably the best choice because they are so soft and have and have a very special action. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ?? Olaf — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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