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<delightfully perverse poetry snipped Artfully done, Mr. Connor! It never would have occurred to me to rhyme "succour" and "motherfucker". I lay my sword at your feet.

Could I borrow it to "slay the dragon"?   This abyss is a bit of a trial at times. TL MC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …….I refuse to respond to Mike Con again…… Oh, nobody’s EVER gonna remember THIS line! Wolfgang is it just me or have absolutes somehow become…..well, less absolute? Naw, it’s just a matter of abstract perspective…

Some are more abstract than others. MC

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YES SIR!  I read you loud and clear.  You got my attention Nightbutcher!  I consider myself chewed out and you’re right.  I refuse to respond to Mike Con again.. Gosh!  I needed that.

I hear Las Vegas is taking bets on this one right now.

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YES SIR!  I read you loud and clear.  You got my attention Nightbutcher!  I consider myself chewed out and you’re right.  I refuse to respond to Mike Con again.. Gosh!  I needed that.

Thank you — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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says… Sir, you are apparently attempting to abridge my right of free speech. There are some on here who will take you to task for that.

Not at all – just trying to abridge a pointless and childish contest on ALL sides that is really starting to irritate the rest of the people who lurk here.  You always have the right to speak out against my speaking out (in fact you just did), just as I have the right to tell you and George to shut the hell up and give it a break. Surprising how many psychiatrists we suddenly have on here.  Where were you when you were needed?

Not a psychiatrist, and I was lurking, hoping it would all go away and settle down like real adults. I was not aware of any unduly unsteady motion. Threats of physical violence, or being actually touched with a cursed object, are relatively futile threats. Your kill-file option would seem the more sensible of those available.  Inserting sticks up somebodies rectum ,is then, in your opinion, an adult way of pursuing things? Strikes me as simply shit being pushed the wrong way.

Better than the shit that’s being pushed this way under the guise of rational Usenet posts…..  and that applies to BOTH of you.  I refuse to take sides. "If you dont like it dont read it". Is I believe the standard panacea for all ills, real or perceived, at this present time?

Too true.  I herewith retire back to lurking yet again.  Plonkity plonk…. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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<SNIP "If you dont like it dont read it". Is I believe the standard panacea for all ills, real or perceived, at this present time? Too true.  I herewith retire back to lurking yet again.  Plonkity plonk…. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

My apologies for coming down so heavily on you, for what was in fact a perfectly reasonable post. I am perhaps a trifle oversensitive regarding criticism of my actions at this present time. Being compared to Gehrke, or indeed even being mentioned in the same post,  is also not exactly flattering. It was not my intention to upset an honest poster, who is just sick of shit. I therefore beg your indulgence. Your apparent decision to use a kill-file on something you do not want to see, is eminently sensible. TL MC

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With Red Tags on in fact.  

An Aussie? A New Zealander? ?? Steve

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Sheath the sword, ’twas bound to happen, LR’s come up with a better weapon. Connor and I’ve looked in the abyss, I think it’s best that we fill it with piss. A little Harp, a Weiss Bier, fill the Flagon! Stand on the rim, drown the fucking dragon. the meter needs work, but aren’t those some nice rhymes? Succour – motherfucker. Masterful. I never stop learning from you, Mike.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <delightfully perverse poetry snipped Artfully done, Mr. Connor! It never would have occurred to me to rhyme "succour" and "motherfucker". I lay my sword at your feet. Could I borrow it to "slay the dragon"?   This abyss is a bit of a trial at times. TL MC

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I’ll have to come over there and insert a bastard rod into two assholes – sideways. With hooks attached.  With Red Tags on in fact.  With Clowser Minnows as droppers even……

ethical. (don’t forget to post a TR on the chromes, have a great trip). — The Halfordian Golfer The deceipt ends with the lure.

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….Gather round good anglers, be bright and perky,

A delight to see you again, sweetie! Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Gather round good anglers, be bright and perky, A delight to see you again, sweetie! Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

Dear lady, the pleasure is all mine. I am very happy indeed to see you on here. I feared indeed that events might have obliged you to depart.Hope you got some good fishing in during my absence. TL MC

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With Red Tags on in fact.   An Aussie? A New Zealander? ?? Steve

Aussie – Red Tag works well in most conditions in Tasmanian Highland Lakes ) — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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Hope you got some good fishing in during my absence.

A little, and I have made good progress on my rod collection, too.  <g Fall and early winter mean a great deal of work and little spare time for me, but I emerge again in spring, ready to play.  Hope to get in a day’s fishing here and there on weekends despite the awful schedule. Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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Aussie – Red Tag works well in most conditions in Tasmanian Highland Lakes )

  So I’ve heard, but comparing the situation you were going to use them   in and the Highlands … well …  ;-)     Perhaps we’ll hear some of your exploits in the Highlands one of these   days … Steve (bemoaning the fact that ANOTHER Bass Strait crossing looks like being  postponed)

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…….I refuse to respond to Mike Con again…… Oh, nobody’s EVER gonna remember THIS line! Wolfgang is it just me or have absolutes somehow become…..well, less absolute?

Notice the out he left himself there, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …….I refuse to respond to Mike Con again…… Oh, nobody’s EVER gonna remember THIS line! Wolfgang is it just me or have absolutes somehow become…..well, less absolute? Notice the out he left himself there, though.

Stick around.  You ain’t seen NUTHIN yet!    :) Wolfgang where else ya gonna get the fourth of july six, seven, eight times a year?

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My commiserations to your unfortunate guests. Must be hell.  Do you allow them to fly your sabres around the studio?  Does that drown out the piano?How many fingers am I holding up? There is a man who sometimes makes, nasty oily stuff, and burns a lot of stakes, He is sadly often seen on here, suffering from chronic verbal diarreah. This of course is very very sad, but things would not be quite as bad, if the asshole did not really stink, or try to sell his stakes and gink. Despite all pleas, he still remains, a curse, like something from the drains, vile and putrid, seemingly beyond chastisement, indulging yet again his lunacy, and aggrandisement. His lies and silly tales are quite beyond the pale, over his poor manners, we must draw a veil, and still, try to believe it if you can, the ignorant boorish oaf thinks he

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Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.

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Please don’t laugh. I mean this as a serious question. Are gars good to eat? I always thought of them as a trash fish like drum or carp. But maybe they are a member of the pike family. I don’t know. If so, maybe they are good to eat. I’ve never caught a bass while a gar was around. But the gars I see always seem to be right at the surface while the bass are usually deeper. – Larry

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What were you throwing?  (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.)  I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!

Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.

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In South Louisiana Gar are plentiful, a 4ft gar is common  they normally tread open water where Bass like cover, they both eat the same forage fish and Gar will usually hit on the same baits as Bass, they will even chase a Buzz Bait, As a general rule like turtles and gators if they are  around so are the Bass I cant say I ever noticed the Gar scaring off the Bass, Bass are Territorial also which is the other reason why they seek cover either the Bass are on or they arent. And yes they are edible, I’ve tasted them cooked several ways, can’t really say I care for it much but theyre ok…….coonass eat anything though, Im not Cajun though I grew up in Fla. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please don’t laugh. I mean this as a serious question. Are gars good to eat? I always thought of them as a trash fish like drum or carp. But maybe they are a member of the pike family. I don’t know. If so, maybe they are good to eat. I’ve never caught a bass while a gar was around. But the gars I see always seem to be right at the surface while the bass are usually deeper. – Larry

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RE: What were you throwing? I was thowing a combination of things.  I was using a popper surface plug throwing it into shallow water near trees and stumps.  I usually spend alot of time getting the doggone thing untangled but what the heck, that’s why I bought a boat-I’ve yet to lose a lure from a snag (cross my fingers). Nothing makes my heart race like seeing the water erupt after the plug hits the water and a bass has decided to make a meal of my wood and stainless steel lure.  I’m probably more suprised than the bass. When there were fewing visible snags, I’d throw a spinner bait (1/4 oz , day glow green head and mixed day glow green and white skirt with gold spinners).  I also tried a 1/8 oz spinner bait with a white head and skirt. The fish (some bass) seem to like this better although I’ve caught a bowfin once on this type of lure and don’t even want this nasty looking thing near the boat!  I presume the white skirt looks more like shad in the greenish water, whereas the day glow green/yellow doesn’t.  It may be a size thing too-the 1/4 oz lure is much bigger than the 1/8 ounce lure. Ryan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What were you throwing?  (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.)  I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.

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Ryan, my question was posted to Donald, who, like me, lives and fishes in South Carolina. Sounds like you are doing OK when around gar, but Donald raised a point about something I see a lot: four or five gar gorging themselves on minnows or shad. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: What were you throwing? I was thowing a combination of things.  I was using a popper surface plug throwing it into shallow water near trees and stumps.  I usually spend alot of time getting the doggone thing untangled but what the heck, that’s why I bought a boat-I’ve yet to lose a lure from a snag (cross my fingers). Nothing makes my heart race like seeing the water erupt after the plug hits the water and a bass has decided to make a meal of my wood and stainless steel lure.  I’m probably more suprised than the bass. When there were fewing visible snags, I’d throw a spinner bait (1/4 oz , day glow green head and mixed day glow green and white skirt with gold spinners).  I also tried a 1/8 oz spinner bait with a white head and skirt. The fish (some bass) seem to like this better although I’ve caught a bowfin once on this type of lure and don’t even want this nasty looking thing near the boat!  I presume the white skirt looks more like shad in the greenish water, whereas the day glow green/yellow doesn’t.  It may be a size thing too-the 1/4 oz lure is much bigger than the 1/8 ounce lure. Ryan What were you throwing?  (We have tons of gar on Lakes Murray, Greenwood, Russel, et al.)  I have thrown to where gar where hitting bait fish, but have yet to get a strike from bass. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Hello, just thought id tell you that I won a tournament on Hartwell Lake in SC last Sept.and my pattern was fishing behind the surfacing gar.My theory was that the baitfish where thereand the gar were injuring some and the bass were after an easy meal.

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I was using a 6 inch black worm carolina rig.I thought that the different bait would throw in a little contrast. It worked.Sometimes you have to go against thr grain I guess.                                 Good Luck

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In Arkansas some of my friends fish for gar as we fish for Bass—Their best lure is unbraided nylon rope-no hooks!!  The gar’s teeth are like Velcro loops and the unbraided 1/4 inch nylon is a sure fire bait. Try it–it’s fun—But you don’t get your "bait" back after a battle! Blaine "Fishing is a disease—and I got it BAD!"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All, In the river that I fish (the Merimac in St. Louis, MO) I regularly see what I *think* are gar surfacing all the time.  They kind of ‘porpoise’; come up out of the water so that their dorsal fin and tail fin break the top of the water then submerge.  Some of them are huge-tonight I saw one I swear was 5 feet long.  My boat is only 17 feet long so it looked pretty big!  While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites.  I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around.  Anyone know for sure? Also, it would *might* fun to catch one of these monsters-anyone know what they’ll bite on?  If there are any Missouri fisherman out there who know what kind of fish they are, please identify them for me! Thanks, Ryan

It’s real fun to hook into a 10,20,30 pound gar with a fly rod…      Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server

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I have got to hear more about this…I see gar in Beaver Lake all the time….I have thrown all kinds of flies at them while thery are coming up for a "gulp" of air……tell me more about this nylon rope; how long…do you use it like a lure?  Tie it on like a lure? GregH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In Arkansas some of my friends fish for gar as we fish for Bass—Their best lure is unbraided nylon rope-no hooks!!  The gar’s teeth are like Velcro loops and the unbraided 1/4 inch nylon is a sure fire bait. Try it–it’s fun—But you don’t get your "bait" back after a battle! Blaine "Fishing is a disease—and I got it BAD!"

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 While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites.  I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around.  Anyone know for sure?

At times both bass and other predators inhabit the same areas. The reason mainly being availability of food and cover or water temp and oxygen levels. However gars will tolerate areas that no respectable bass will. This doesn’t mean that they can’t be found together, just that more often than not an area covered with gars is often void of bass. — Good Fishing – Moe Moe’s Guide Service –  http://members.aol.com/moefran/index.html

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Hello All, In the river that I fish (the Merimac in St. Louis, MO) I regularly see what I *think* are gar surfacing all the time.  They kind of ‘porpoise’; come up out of the water so that their dorsal fin and tail fin break the top of the water then submerge.  Some of them are huge-tonight I saw one I swear was 5 feet long.  My boat is only 17 feet long so it looked pretty big!  While I’m fishing for bass and these fish are around, I seldom get any bites.  I have to conclude that these are predator fish and will eat bass, therefore the absence of bass when these fish are around.  Anyone know for sure? Also, it would *might* fun to catch one of these monsters-anyone know what they’ll bite on?  If there are any Missouri fisherman out there who know what kind of fish they are, please identify them for me! Thanks, Ryan

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Anyone out there fish the Deschutes River.  Looking for someone to share information with.

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Anyone out there fish the Deschutes River.  Looking for someone to share information with.

I fish the lower 20 miles of the Deschutes.  I already have had freinds catch some steelhead.  this is th time of the year to get to the river and swing a fly across the current….hang on, he will jerk the rod out of your hand. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Yep, I know, probably two words you don’t expect to see in the same sentence, but check this out: Last week, Walt Winter ended a piece of correspondence by wishing me tight lines and screaming reels.  I left the next day for three days on the Miramichi to fish for Atlantic Salmon.  Hooked and landed 4 the first day, biggest one was 15 lbs.  Next day, hooked 4 and landed 1. River was up and dirty from snowmelt the next day, so I didn’t fish.   That pretty much beats any whole salmon SEASON I’ve ever enjoyed, never mind a single weekend.  Talk about your tight lines and screaming reels: just about toasted my old Beaudex. I attribute this success 100% to Walt, so if you ever get email from him that ends with ‘tight lines and screaming reels’, drop everything and get the hell to the river.  Probably wouldn’t hurt to carry a paper copy of the email, either, as extra insurance. thanks walt brent

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep, I know, probably two words you don’t expect to see in the same sentence, but check this out: Last week, Walt Winter ended a piece of correspondence by wishing me tight lines and screaming reels.  I left the next day for three days on the Miramichi to fish for Atlantic Salmon.  Hooked and landed 4 the first day, biggest one was 15 lbs.  Next day, hooked 4 and landed 1. River was up and dirty from snowmelt the next day, so I didn’t fish. That pretty much beats any whole salmon SEASON I’ve ever enjoyed, never mind a single weekend.  Talk about your tight lines and screaming reels: just about toasted my old Beaudex. I attribute this success 100% to Walt, so if you ever get email from him that ends with ‘tight lines and screaming reels’, drop everything and get the hell to the river.  Probably wouldn’t hurt to carry a paper copy of the email, either, as extra insurance. thanks walt brent

anytime my friend. dang wayno, these distilled mountain phenacite brews work! waldo the soothsayer? —                 waldo’s palmistry and flyshop      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604     ezflyfish.com for your flyfishing gear:           http://www.ezflyfish.com

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waldo the soothsayer?

Careful there, Walt.  Next think you know you’ll start playing with snakes, and…well, just remember what happened to Cassandra… — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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waldo the soothsayer? Careful there, Walt.  Next think you know you’ll start playing with snakes, and…well, just remember what happened to Cassandra… — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

        bob, in watauga county, nc, playing with snakes is a prerequisite to graduation from high school.   don’t you fret about ol waldo and them timber rattlers. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa.  I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there.  Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week.  Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help. WILLZZ….

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I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa.  I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there.  Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week.  Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help. How can we possibly give you advice on cheap fares if we do not know where you lve!!!! The whole world is reading this Newsgroup. Do you live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands? Then I can give you some rates. Giny, Tozai Travel, Amsterdam

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I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa.  I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there.  Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week.  Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help.

There’s not a great deal to see on Okinawa Island, but the major tourist sight is Shuri Castle in Naha (the capital city). It’s reconstructed, but very well done. There’s also a big market (Ichiba) in Naha and, nearby, an interesting area of potters’ workshops (Tsuboya district). After that, most people take a tour round the WWII battle sights in the south of the island. For example the Underground Navy Headquarters – where you go down into the tunnels and there’s a small museum. Heading northwards, Ryukyu Mura is a reasonably interesting "culture village", and then there are the beaches such as Moon Beach and Tiger Beach. With your own transport, I’d recommend the far north, where you find some more traditional fishing villages, and more mountains. There are a couple of castle ruins to visit, too. But, if the weather’s good and you have time, the best of Okinawa is really the outer islands. The Kerama islands are quite close by – a ferry ride from Naha – but the most beautiful are the southern islands such as Miyako-jima, Ishigaki-jima and Iriomote-jima. As you’ve only got a week, I think you’ld need to pick just one of these and fly from Naha. Author, The Rough Guides to Vietnam and Japan http://www.roughguides.com

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There a lot of nice place to vsit while in Okinawa.   I recommend to visit some, Shuri Castle (in Naha), Himeyuri Park (cactus park, in Naha), Gyukusendo Cave(Naha), Okinawa Zoo(Kodomo no kuni) close to Gate 2 of Kadena Air Base,  Wine Factory (in Nago), Yambaru (Park for dfferent kinds of birds, Nago),  Ryukyu Mura (old Okinawan Village, close to Torrii Station),  Okinawa Memorial Park (Nago).  Navy Underground Headquarter.  If you like to play Golf, theres a lot of driving range, and Golf Course.  Try to go to some of this places, I’m sure you gonna have a goodtime. And at night you can try to go to Big Echo(Karaoke Bar). Pyramid (for Disco). HAVE FUN…

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 I’m curious about the Cabelas Dry Plus – the article implied that the neoprene feet are too thin and will invite leaks. Has anyone had a problem with this? Sam

I have used the Cabelas Dry Plus waders for a year now and I have not had any problems. I tend to do a lot of walking when out on the stream and they have held up great. They have neoprene knee pads which is nice.  They also come with a patch kit that includes the same material that the waders are made out of. If you get a leak you just iron this material into the waders – kind of melts together on the inside. Good luck, Greg

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Thanks to everyone for the replies. I picked up the article on breathable waders in Fly Rod and Reel, and it was pretty informative. As always, there’s a tradeoff – between breathability, durability, and price. Find a match for any two of the variables and it might not match the third one. According to the article, Orvis Clearwaters sound the best for breathability/price but sacrifice puncture resistance. (But the warranty is nice.) The Hodgemans sounded like a good deal in that price range also. I’m curious about the Cabelas Dry Plus – the article implied that the neoprene feet are too thin and will invite leaks. Has anyone had a problem with this? Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There appears to be two typesof breathable waders; the gortex at $300 plus, and the Orvis type, now carried by many companies, at $129 to $160.  Orvis was first out with these they were mostly a dark green color.  I had a pair that worked fine until I lent them to my wife.  Then they developed  three holes in the seat.  Orvis replaced them free of charge.  LL Bean carries them and they guarantee there goods  beyond most companies. I liked them but they are too cold for float tubing, even with long underwear. JackKowalski e t… Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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There is an article on breathable waders in the current issue of "Fly Rod & Reel".  They seemed to be most impressed with the Hodgman’s of the Cabela’s, Hodgman’s and Orvis. JS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – test t… Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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very well made. writes: I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose. They hold up well. Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165.

There is an ad in this month’s Fly Fisherman.  It seems that Orvis has had an "official" price reduction on the Clearwater Breathable.  All Orvis dealers should now be honoring this price.

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Anyone try the new Redington breatheable waders? I’ve seen them in a catalog only but they sound like a great deal. Four year unconditional warranty and $169. I’d like to see how they compare to the really expensive Simms. Thanks Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose.

They hold up well. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I, too, have been considering entry level breathable waders.  In addition to the Hodgeman, Cabela’s and Orvis Clearwater, I am considering the LL Bean Streamlight Breathable Stockingfoot waders. Several comments/questions I have to Bill Kiene and others: 1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165.

Unicoi Outfitters in Helen, GA  had them at $129 when I was up there yesterday. — Charlie…

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There appears to be two typesof breathable waders; the gortex at $300 plus, and the Orvis type, now carried by many companies, at $129 to $160.  Orvis was first out with these they were mostly a dark green color.  I had a pair that worked fine until I lent them to my wife.  Then they developed  three holes in the seat.  Orvis replaced them free of charge.  LL Bean carries them and they guarantee there goods  beyond most companies. I liked them but they are too cold for float tubing, even with long underwear. JackKowalski

t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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test t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling

Jeez Bill, at $349.00 those Simms Guide Models had better guide me to some VERY nice holes! 8^} — To reply, please remove "hormel" from my address.  Diapers and politicians should be changed regularly,  often for the same reason.

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I, too, have been considering entry level breathable waders.  In addition to the Hodgeman, Cabela’s and Orvis Clearwater, I am considering the LL Bean Streamlight Breathable Stockingfoot waders. Several comments/questions I have to Bill Kiene and others: 1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165. 2) I like the Orvis and LL Bean models because they come in both men’s and women’s cuts/sizes.  When I buy, I plan to get two pair; one for myself and one for my wife. 3) I am concerned about the lack of knee protection (for we clumsy) on the Clearwater and Hodgeman waders.  Orvis, of course, has the excellent warranty.  But both the Cabela’s and the Streamlight waders have reinforced knees and LL Bean’s warranty is even better. I am only trying to get more information to make a decision.  Any and all comments would be appreciated. Jonathan Williamson

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I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling Jeez Bill, at $349.00 those Simms Guide Models had better guide me to some VERY nice holes! 8^}

I’m planning to buy a pair of Simms. (Fortunately, I can get them wholesale). I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

Hi Sam, I am sure that Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make good waders and stand behind them, but Orvis has the hottest deal on entry level breathables( anything under $200) Their Clearwater stocking foot breathable chest waders come with a neoprene foot and suspenders for $129. They also have a prorated 4 year warranty. I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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In response to Joe McClain One of the best videos to learn to fly cast is done by Chico Fernandez. His company goes by the name of penguin. But the best advice is to get up out of your chair, go to your nearest fly shop and have them pop the video in their VCR. Check it out before you buy it! Kathy Robinson Robinson & Sons Outfitters

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Hi Kathy, Where do you fit in the Robinson & Sons Outfitters? Where are you folks located? Counsel

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There does not seem to be much interest in old flies and I’m wondering if anyone knows of a fly fishing museum that I could give them to. I have over 600 trout flies of at least 40+ varities that are 75+ years old. Most of them are tied directly to a 4" gut leader with loop tied at the end. The flies with gut leaders are stored in either in their original packets from Wm. Mills & Sons or in a pigskin leather bound flat fly files (so they are flat). The flies with steel eyes are stored in boxes and are much newer (possibly 50

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic? JE

Try the south fork of the Flathead river. Only has native west slope cutthroats and dolly varden. both are thriving, and are natives.   little hard to reach though…. in the bob Marshall Wilderness…. which is why they are still natives.

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I’m on the other side of the mountains, but there are a few little small streams coming down out of the mountains near my house have have native brookies.  And 8 incher is a lunker, but they’re gorgeous.

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Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed.

OOOOOOPPPPS!! This was supposed to say Piute Cutthroat, not Apache trout.                                       Sorry ’bout that,                                               Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? Jon, I don’t know a lot about many places, but wild native Brook Trout are still to be found in a few of the spring creek headwaters in the Appalachians (North Georgia, N.C.) but they are having a real tough time surviving the ever encroaching effects of man. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Brookie needs colder, clearer water than most freshwater species, and this presents a problem as the streams warm due to the activities on or near the various watershed.  Also, they cannot fend for themselves when pitted against Browns and Rainbows for a limited food supply. Sadly, another problem that the little brookies have is that they have a reputation of being too easy, and too small (we’re not talking Labrador here) so they don’t get a lot of attention.

Here in the eastern  part of Tn we still have some native brookies. It looks like they are coming back. I recently caught and released a  10 inch brook trout and caught many more of lesser caliber. Hans

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Fereira) writes: Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"?

Yes, it is native to Eagle Lake in Northern CA but has also been transplanted to lots of otherwise dead waters or to places where water is too alkaline for other types of trout including more common strains of rainbows .  This particular strain can tolerate higher alkalinity than normal trout.  They also get REAL BIG!                                   Good Fishing,                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Yep! Terry Weir is right. Every fish I catch is a native, wild fish! Love that salt water biodiversity too! Wayne Marshall

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I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie… You weren’t supposed to tell

OOPs<g. They are so pretty though and hard enough to catch that I hope I didn’t do any harm. I can remember hiking back in a couple of miles, suprising a bear or two, and crawling up behind a boulder to make a cast into a pool that couldn’t have been much bigger than the inside of my rental car. What a lot of fun! — Charlie…

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Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic? JE

I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…

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I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…

You weren’t supposed to tell

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? JE <snip you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications.  this book is a search for native, pure strain fish.  lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc.  pretty good reading too.  he goes after the fish with a fly rod. I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book.  It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years.   John Fereira

  Yes; also for a strictly scientific approach to this interesting subject, try Robert J. Behnke’s monograph of western trouts: _Native Trout of Western North America_ pub. by: American Fisheries Society 5410 Grosvenor Lane, Suite 110 Bethesda, MD  20814   Cheers, and tight Lines! – Mark

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: Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the : continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the [snip] : Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this : topic? Read Lewis and Clark’s Journal.  The same fish are still here in this part of the world. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives.

[deleted] Then the hypocritical irony of calling these the ‘wild fish’ and not wanting to eat ‘em because they are beautiful wild fish. TimW

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ry the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin!                                 Terry Weir         Right on Terry.  I grew up on Long Island sound and looked forward to every autum for a shot at those really BIG Blues.           I was speaking specifically of trout in the post though.  By the way, how is the Bluefish run shaping up this year?  It’s been a long time…… JE

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic? California is loaded with native rainbows.  They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains.

Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"? The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada.  The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake.  The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River.  

The Piute cutthroat can still be found in it’s native waters in an area a bit further south. Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide".

Agreed. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive.

Actually Behnke’s book is called "Native Trout of Western North America".   Robert Smiths book is called "Native Trout of North America".                                  Hope this helps,                                          Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic? JE you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications.  this book is a search for native, pure strain fish.  lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc.  pretty good reading too.  he goes after the fish with a fly rod.

I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book.  It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years.   John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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Try the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin!                                 Terry Weir

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Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic?

California is loaded with native rainbows.  They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains.  The Shasta rainbow is one strain that is found throughout northern CA, and the McCloud rainbow is still found in its native waters of the McCloud river in CA.  Strange thing, McCloud has the Shasta Rainbow and the McCloud (subspecies) in the same water along with the non-native brown trout (two strains of that one also).  Pure strain McCloud rainbows are easily discerned by their tangerine orange stripe and cheeks along with orange cuts under the chin.  Not often caught, but spectacular fish. There is not a question what it is when you catch one. Specific strains of Steelhead have been all but wiped out in many areas, But some native runs survive.  Skamania Strain (Washington state strain from Skamania River) hatchery replacements were introduced in many of the rivers to mitigate the destruction (and continued destruction) of their habitat.  Poor attempt at a solution. Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed. Numerous fly fishing clubs have helped with stream reconstruction projects ther to help repair damage from grazing cattle. The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada.  The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake.  The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River.   Although they thought they provided for it, the dam wiped out all of the spawning area and within a few years, the 40 lb. + Lahontan Cutthroat were gone.  Used to be a cannery at the mouth of the Lake that netted fish, canned them, and shipped them throughout the world in the 1800’s.  Was a booming industry until the dam.  They did find some pockets of the Lahontan Cutthroat in some lakes on the east slope of the Sierra and that is what is currently in Pyramid Lake.  There is some controversy as to whether they are pure strain or not, but they don’t grow nearly as large as the native strain that was in Pyramid Lake.  Still catch 8 to 15 lb. Cutthroat there, but not much chance of breaking that 40 lb. record. Goldens can still be found in the Kern drainage (native waters), but few are pure strain as there were hatchery plants again in the 1800’s when rainbow hatcheries were thought to be the best thing since sliced bread. There are some pure strain fish still in there that were geologically isolated from the drainage they dumped the rainbow plants in.  Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide". We also have lots of native squaw fish but they are not much of a gamefish and they predate on salmonids. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive.                                   Hope this helps,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?   snip< JE

 Try Maine, Jon.  There are still places producing  fairly good size native brook trout.   And, the landlock salmon fishing ain’t too shabby either.  However, I believe the landlocks were stocked as fingerlings years ago.  Of course you may have trouble finding *exactly* where to go. ;0) Dave L.

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Anyone out there know where the native trout are?  I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man?  I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else?  Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man?  Greenbacks?  Lahontans?  Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure?  Or have they been augmented by Man at any time?  I’d really love to know.  Is there a good book on this topic? JE

Take a look at Ralph Cutters book about the Sierra Nevada. Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives. Look at recent discussions about the reintroduction of native grayling into Yellowstone National Park and all the counterarguments of these f****** stupid fisherman who only want to catch lots of big fish without caring about ecological interconnections. The general agreement of environmental destruction (what else is the deminishing of species variety in a given biotop?) is responsible that you can

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we’ll be in the cleveland area (20 miles to the east) in mid-august. could anyone tell me about good flyfishing in this area at that time; especially are there any steelhead or salmon runs in progress, or any good surface fishing for small-mouth bass on tap? also my wife and i enjoy small creeks with wild trout. thanks for any input.                                             steve and adrienne,

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