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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet you that Petah is furiously typing away right this minute, writing something that he will call a "trip report" but that will be nothing but a slanderous document full of lies.  He’ll say that he drank me under the table, that he caught a fish while I didn’t, that I tried to send him down a dead-end lane and almost caused an accident with a UPS truck, and all sorts of other total fabrications.  So I better set things straight right now. First and most important is this nonsense about drinking me under the table.  Well,  well, well, so….. well, maybe it’s kinda true.  But it was just a little table anyhoo, so who cares anyway ?  Everyone knows that Russians don’t drink, so what the hell was I supposed to do ? Now on to that supposed fish of his.  He says he took a picture, no less.  The critical piece of information is that THERE WERE NO WITNESSES.  Heck, I was fishing within 100 feet of the guy all day.  And all of a sudden, he pops up to tell me that he "caught" a fish. Sure.  Everyone who is anyone *knows* that there are no fish in 18 Mile Creek.  Either one of them, actually.  And then there is this malicious fabrication about my driving.  I really don’t want to go down that road, so let’s let it pass.  The UPS truck, that is….

[sounds of furious typing followed by pounding on the delete key] Well I was going to write all about your wonderful hospitality, your generous provision of ample alcoholic beverages while I tried to concentrate on mounting backing and lines on six spools.  Don’t forget sleeping in, nearly jumping (falling) out of bed when I woke you, scrambling the eggs inside and outside the pan.  Then there was the animated sugar bowl.  Especially apropos after you warned me. I particularly enjoyed getting locked out. Getting lost on the way to 18 mile wasn’t bad – especially the, "Are we going east, north, south or west?" bit or my favourite, "Where’s the sun?"  and the always popular, "This spot doesn’t look like it used to.  Maybe it’s the wrong spot?" Oh, don’t forget the seat belt test on Sturgeon Point Road – especially enjoyable while nursing a hangover.  The seat belt works, BTW.  The UPS driver took it all in stride – I think he knew you. Mustn’t forget the Artpark – like let’s park as far away as possible then take the Niagara Gorge obstacle course route to the water.  For a man who falls down on level ground . . . . Best of all, "I caught a steelhead!  I caught a steelhead!  And you didn’t!!!  nah, nah"   That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Well, now that you’ve worked out the anger, I think that it may be safe for me to think about another one.  You drive next time, tho:  I can’t stand the suspense.

ooooh, I can hardly wait.  Ask Forty.  <BSEG Actually, a thought just occurred to me – Forty put you up to it, didn’t he?  He wanted to see me as a helpless, post-inebriated passenger.  Where’s my shit list . . . (cue the ominous music) BTW, I don’t get angry, I get even. <EG and for the rest of ROFF readership, here follows the real TR. I won’t bore you with the preliminaries as that has already (ahem) been discussed. When someone tells you about a new creek, describes it a bit, one forms a mental image of the place.  The prosaic name ‘18 Mile Creek’ doesn’t do justice to the place, nor did my mental image.  Winding through a gorge cut into the shale, it’s one of the prettiest places that I’ve visited in the Great Lakes area and we were seeing her at her worst – bereft of greenery.  The water was high and off colour, my favourite steelhead conditions, as I find the fish to be quite bold in such water.  We had experienced an early spring snowfall so the creek is full of cold meltwater.  It is a bit busy, being a holiday Friday, but room was found to work. Greg picked a large flat that usually held fish while I scouted for other water.  I was looking for a ’step’ arrangement – chutes or riffles separated by moderate to deep flats or pools.  I find that steelies congregate either at the base of the chute in preparation for their run up, or where the chute tails out into the pool, where they seem to ‘catch their breath’ as it were.  I’ve hooked most of my steelhead from this type of water, I suppose, because the fish are just resting and not otherwise occupied. I have a favourite pattern for this colour water – it’s a large, marabou purple and black spey tied spider style.  On some, I’ll add an overwing of purple crystal flash.  I only had two of these left, one large winged version, and one smaller one, sans wing.  The winged version hooked me a steelhead within about five minutes of fishing – a nice, very fat hen of about 5 or 6 lbs.  She was in her mating colours but still somewhat bright – a nice fish in good shape.  I kept her in water while I took a picture and removed the hook – she was off like a bullet as soon as I moved her deeper. Both of us moved about and Greg tried the other side where another creek flows in to meet the main branch.  I was working close by and hooked another fish on the dangle just as I was about to cast. Earlier, I had lost the winged P&B on a rock, now I lost the small one on the fish as I popped it off when I lifted the rod to cast (didn’t realize I had a fish on.)  Greg had found a really nice spot but wasn’t rewarded with a fish.  We both had some bumps and I found that the P&Bs enticed a few hits, but either the fish didn’t like the other patterns or they had shut down for it was pretty quiet after that. We were having a chat about where to fish next when a family horde descended down the path.  "Artpark" was an instant, unanimous decision.  The Artpark sits on the side of the Niagara River and again, didn’t live up to my mental image as I had pictured the park extending close to that water.  It doesn’t.  This requires either a descent along the side of the gorge wall, or a trek down stairs.  You already know about our route.  I had taken the big stick down, with the Airflo shooting head – a perfect spot for it, I thought. The Niagara River seems boil right in front of us with huge eddies, upwellings and these deceptive flats that are actually very fast laminar flows.  Last time out spey casting with the big stick had been on a beach and a pier.  This was neither.  The jumbled, broken rock thrusts up it’s gnarled knuckles to snare your unsuspecting fly.  Let the line swing on the dangle and it’s snatched away.  Like a witch’s cauldron, the turbulent water sucks the line down – at times I’m retrieving line almost vertically out of the water – so normal line lifts are impossible.  Distance casting isn’t necessary as the fish holding water only extends out about 60′-70′ which is a good thing as the changing currents and other difficulties were making normal methods useless.  I resorted to stripping in most of the head into the guides, roll cast out most of it then spey cast out the 70′ – not pretty but it sorta worked.  Unfortunately, I managed to lose a bunch of flies before I figured this out.   Greg, being the master of the Artpark, was casting away, unperturbed by the conditions.  Greg got a bump but I only felt rock.  So endeth the day. Thank you Mr. Greg. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a

Well……hack hack……that’s mighty kind of ya pard…….cough…..hack…..but I’m afraid it’s too late……cough……I think your morbiferous prose has done me proemial manifestations showed up right away…..cough……don’t fret none though……Wayno’s looking into the noxal ramifications…..groan……but by the time the summons arrives I ’spect I’ll have given in to geotaxis…..if ya know what I

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 Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die.  I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world.

You stupid twisted shithead. You have no idea who knew what. The men on the plane over PA *did* know what had happened to the earlier planes and certainly were heros. You limit your praise to just 3 but again you have no fucking clue. I know it is pointless to try to explain even simple things to you, but it is difficult to stand by while anyone, even an obviously insane idiot, maligns good people and their families. You are truly pathetic. — Charlie…

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of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free.

George, I KNOW men who are NOT Marines (as much as I respect and love them, the Marines that is) who would gladly have attempted the same thing. Your pontificating as to the others who may (or may not) have tried to thwart the hijackings is beyond belief. You, sir, are an idiot. And like Op said, I would definitely say this to your face. Like the motto from one of America’s finest naval fighter squadrons…..Anytime, Anyplace Baby. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."

        if only they were *your* last words, instead of that fine man who uttered them.         fuck you, george. a. wayne harrison

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne?

Regrettably, you don’t appear to be on the side of sanity. May I suggest unwrapping your hand from your dick, taking your medications, and honoring that promise you made to leave ROFF? Oh, wait, "promise, Gerkhe," bad match. — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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For the last few years I have mainly lurked on this group and listened to you shoot your mouth off. But when you say that Wayne is on the side of the terrorists you are TALKING THRU YOUR ASS BECAUSE YOUR MOUTH KNOWS BETTER. YOU WOULDN’T KNOW A REAL MAN IF HE JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU IN THE ASS. PLEASE KEEP YOUR PROMISE AND LEAVE ROFF. Kim James

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George, F.O.A.D.

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.         it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.         where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

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   george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.    it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.    where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

I’ve kept myself out of this so far, and after this I will do so again. What he said. PLEASE GO AWAY GEORGE!! —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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I agree with Wayne, Charlie, Charles and others. Most of us usually just put up with your asinine comments and tolerate the fact that you’re the biggest asshole on ROFF. This time you’ve managed to insult the memories of all who died on those planes with your ill-informed comments. PLEASE, keep your promise to go away and never come back. Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Words "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you? Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next! cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you?

OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a sick sense of humor.  Remember this ole siren, even an ugly duckling turns into a SWAN! Thing is, you’re just like them when they fly.  Flap, flap, flap . . . Me?  I can’t even get off the ground.  Frogs can’t fly. Which reminds me.  Do you know the difference beween a frog and a horny frog? YOU:  "No George.  What’s the difference between a regular frog and a horny frog? A regular frog goes, "Rib-it!  RIB-IT!"  A horny frog goes, "Rub-it! RUB-IT!" Hang tough Wolfgang. Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

Just look for the frogs Wolfgang. George who hangs around rivers

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

wayno, I apologize for stepping on your toes…and sure, it may be a troll… I almost wish I wasn’t doing this, but after a long, hard week, I was treated with a civilised drink, dinner, wine, and all the trimmings, including several after-dinner drinks, just me and my SO – well, mostly, anyway.  Blame it on exhaustion, or simply having had enough of it all, but George, I feel downright psychic – if I ever have the displeasure of coming face to face with you, I can see you shitting teeth, dentures, or whatever else fills the sorry cakehole that passes for your mouth.

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Do you doubt truth?

I’ll bet you sometimes wonder where those teeth marks on your ass come from, right? Wolfgang cowering in anticipation of the blithering retort

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I sincerely hope those are his final words.

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Do you doubt truth? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

Oops.  Too late. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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You know Wayne, it is amazing to many who stalk Roff around the world that you along with other Easterners (and they know who they are) that "your click of trollers" have been figured out a long time now.  Some things you say is not true.  Yes, have specific opinions about matters regarding the World Trade Center but they are only opinions.  That it is my opinion that the terrorists on all four aircraft should have been challenged and fought with by the male population (customers) on those flights remains intact.  I cannot accept any excuse, even in the face of death or getting hurt that more men didn’t challenge them. Of course I wasn’t there, of course you weren’t there, but my opinions are just as justifiable as yours or anyone else’s.   I

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I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river.  Last summer I bought a rod and real, and a coworker of mine taught me to roll cast, and explained to me the concept of fishing with dry fly’s.  this winter I read "Fly fishing for the complete idiot: a no-nonsense guide to fly casting" by Michael Rutter, and have been practicing casting on my lawn.  I am ok with casting now (or will be with more practice), and I understand what to do with dry fly’s, but I am clue less on how to setup and present a wet fly.  I am looking for a recommendation on a book that will go into more detail on setting my line up for a wet fly,and presentation of both wet and dry flys. Jim Ferry Orem, Utah

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I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river.

Your "office" is really that gas station across from the old power plant, right? –Steve

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The big ugly pink building building 3/4 mile down university ave.

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Prospecting For Trout (Rosenbauer) for overall strategy.  Nymph Fishing (Hughes) good starter book for nymph fishing (is that what you mean by wet?)

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now. Hint: if Buffalo has more than one used book store, check the ones closest to the liquor stores. And thats only assuming Buffalo doesn’t have any brothels that take used books in trade.

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flys.

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now. Hint: if Buffalo has more than one used book store, check the ones closest to the liquor stores. And thats only assuming Buffalo doesn’t have any brothels that take used books in trade.

  Yeah, that’s a pretty good book.  But, I still have it.  No book stores or brothels in Buffalo and I buy my beer out of state ($7.00/case last time I went back to Lexington, NE.  I bought 5 cases)   Peggy says we need to get your books and rod back to you.  I think she really means she wants to go to Denver to see our daughter and Peggy’s sister and do some shopping.  I will bring fine cigars for rent on the books. Snoop —

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now.

Yes, good one  I think it’s a good book too.  Also, one that can be left on the coffee table without your SO griping about it.

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I just returned "Presenting  the Fly" by Lefty Kreh to the library.  Very good book, published in 1999.  He covers more that trout in it and it has some good tips on gear.  It’s around $40 so when I need it again it’s back to the library for me or just read it at B&N.

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OH NO  don’t ask the boner to whup it out. —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

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I here the Brown Trout are good there. Especially in the river when the treatment plants overflow. It must suck living in Ohio!

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Look I’m really sorry, but the law is the law….no trailer trash allowed. You can however visit for no more than a two weeks period…. john

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<Seemingly excellent advice snipped look for a book, ’smallmouth strategies for the fly rod’ by will ryan……a good place to start. get a gazetteer with county maps….get a kayak…

You might ask one our regulars to show you his "maps". TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Mouse imitations. —  Don Thompson

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yes, and popper and muddlers but, my all time favorite is wooly buggers. tied in various colors, white , yellow purple etc.  Now you would use a cone head wooly.  Soon, a bead head….during the spring feed and spawn  a wooly with no weight.  then a bead head, going to a cone head in the hot summer. Tie them with an upturned barb so you can fish over the bottom and over brush. I like them with a little flashabou in them and my favorite is a brown and dark red and dirty rusty red and  dark green color to imitate crayfish. Or any mixture of those colors… Any place you can get in the water on the Miami is good, any of the ohio tributaries…Brush Creek…little Miami…Scioto, Hocking , Ceasars creek…. basically, if it flows all year and doesn’t freeze solid in the winter it has smallmouth… look for a book, ’smallmouth strategies for the fly rod’ by will ryan……a good place to start. get a gazetteer with county maps….get a kayak… john

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Lake Ere steelhead. Smallmouth bass in all state waters..walleye, saugeye….white bass runs….we even have a couple of trout streams,,,,but I don’t bother with them very much unless I am jonesin’ real bad.  smallmouth rules in Ohio. john……Dayton

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I love bass too, John.  But I’m new to fly fishing.  What type of flies do you use for smallmouth?     Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lake Ere steelhead. Smallmouth bass in all state waters..walleye, saugeye….white bass runs….we even have a couple of trout streams,,,,but I don’t bother with them very much unless I am jonesin’ real bad.  smallmouth rules in Ohio. john……Dayton

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Thank’s, Harry – a much more useful suggestion

than Idaho or Michigan (are those suburbs of Cincinnati or something?)…  

I *think* Idaho is a small town in KY (either that or a woman’s name and profession) but Michiscum (also known as "Meatchicken") is up north somewhere.  <g

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

If you want mountain streams go to Montana, but stop short of Idaho, please. Seriously, I’ve read that there are pretty decent runs of "landlocked rainbow trout", aka "faux steelhead", in Ohio, in the streams that feed Lake Erie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi –    I worked in Utah for about 8 months last year, and got interested/started in fly fishing – then I got transferred to Cincinnati…  So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?  Not a lot of mountain strams around here…    Thanks!      Brian

Try Michigan…

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Brian writes: So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish?

Take a look at – http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/index.html

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Thank’s, Harry – a much more useful suggestion than Idaho or Michigan (are those suburbs of Cincinnati or something?)…    Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian writes: So now that I’m in Ohio – any suggestions as to where I should go to fly fish? Take a look at – http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/index.html

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.

I enthusiastically agree.  Even though most of the material in this book is recycled from "An Outside Chance, 2nd Ed." which was recycled from the first edition, which was a compilation of essays published in "Sports Illustrated" (in their glory days in the 70’s) and elsewhere, this book is a must-read.  McGuane has a gift for writing like nobody else I know. I wish I had been born 15 years earlier, and had been in Key West in the early 70’s, when it was haunted by McGuane, Russell Chatham, Jim Harrison, and Jimmy Buffett.  Don’t even want to go there now, I fear it would be a horrible disappointment. Kevin

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

This is the finest fishing-related book I’ve read in many years. Maybe ever. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

joe, that book is one of my favorites… it’s been awhile, mebbe i’m due for a re-read. walt

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Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post

    do us all a favor.  send a copy to forty. wayno

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

It just keeps getting better as your read through it. There’s a piece on permit fishing toward the end that is possibly the best thing that I have read on fly fishing. Peter G. Aitken

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

jeez mike…don’t encourage ‘em. waldo the anaconda — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reminded me of an extremely puerile school rhyme I heard a long time ago, I don’t know who wrote it.  It is short, in contrast to it

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George, For the 3 wt. we need a medium action.  I like a fast action rod because of my casting style but for small streams and casting tippet most of the time, the slower action is more accurate and has more finesse.  Since we are talking mostly Brook trout and small stream fishing I have been working on a name.  No blockbuster yet comes to mind.  So far its Little Bastard, Small Stream Bastard, Mr. Rapidan Bastard (Monteague had a Rapidan many years ago), or that Bastard Brookie.  Still needs work. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – parties, such as finding some really GREAT Tonkin Cane.  Since I don’t take things for granted Wayne, I would rather admit up front that I may be blind sided, but I assure you, once I have the Cane and the forms I can get yours out just so I can keep my word, if need be.  (I have the tapers)  Do you want a medium or fast fly rod for a three weight? I’m trying to think of a Model name for the 6.5′ .  See the Bastard Page on the web.  I need help in this area. George Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Folks, the more i read, the less i know.. having been away for several week,s I note that resident most hated/most loved roff guy g g is working on "the bastard"!?!? could someone please clue me in… clearly it is a fly rod and not some bizarre confession. Enquiring minds want to know! edwin —

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations?

Try the Spinner Fall flyshop at 801-583-2602.  Matt usually works Saturday but whoever answers the phone should be able to help you.  The Provo is always open but its been a little slow.  Anyway it isn’t winter here yet, so bring your equipment. John Close Not an employee or Spinner Fall but most of my friends are.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, The fishing on the Provo river is pretty good right now.  The Provo is 40 miles from Salt Lake and it is freeway most of the way.  The guys at Spinner Fall Fly Shop can help you out if you need a guide. 801-583-2602. Last Friday I fished the afternoon and had a twenty fish go of it. Several were over 20 inches. Bruce

Bruce, Were there Beatis on the water last week??  I’ll be there tomorrow. Paul

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I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, and given the time of year it might not be possible, but does anyone have any suggestions for the Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations? Charley Keeton

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I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, and given the time of year it might not be possible, but does anyone have any suggestions for the Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations? Charley Keeton

The fishing on the Provo river is pretty good right now.  The Provo is 40 miles from Salt Lake and it is freeway most of the way.  The guys at Spinner Fall Fly Shop can help you out if you need a guide. 801-583-2602. Last Friday I fished the afternoon and had a twenty fish go of it. Several were over 20 inches. Bruce

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After many years of using FF equipment, I thought that I understood the meaning of value but with prices today being what they are, I’m not sure anymore. I have fished with bamboo and glass and of course now the ubiquitous graphite! I have always held that each man has the duty to select and own the very best equipment he can afford, but somewhere along the line of reason, the meaning of the word value has lost it’s punch. I know that perhaps, one’s ability to feel good about their equipment is an important issue to some and there is of course the snob appeal of ownership that somehow owning the most expensive equipment somehow also creates a better fisherman. Sadly, this is of course not true and most of us who ply the water in search of our outdoor pleasure has found the the type of who I speak. Conversely I seem to run into many more fishermen who are satisfied to use off the shelf equipment as long as it does the job. Now I have not made these comments as a discourse on the merits of one type of person versus the other, but rather to put some meaning into how a person can select the very best in value from the present tremendous spectrum of available graphite rods. I know that there is a rating system for the graphite used in a rod, but the explaination of this tidbit seems to be lost in the hype of fit and finish and word paintings of the fish one can expect to catch. Of course fit and finish should be taken into consideration, but it also must have some limitation brought on by value! I guess the point I am leading to is how can you select a piece of equipment and be satisfied with the relationship between value and quality. I’m not looking for any My granddaddy use to say that the value of anything was more a product of what you thought something was worth than anything else. I suspect that this comes as close to being right as anything. Of course he was living in the late 1800s and we all know about the days when the value of a dollar was a good deal more than it is today. If you consider the value spread between a rod costing $79.00 vs one which cost $1,100.00, somewhere in between, there has to be a value where cost versus quality meet. At what point on the curve does cost outsrip value and value begin to take a beating? I’d be interested in hearing from anyone who would care to join in on this topic. I know that there are more fishermen out there using the under $100.00 rod and reel combinations than those who sport the $500.00 tickets! Your thoughts? —