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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet you that Petah is furiously typing away right this minute, writing something that he will call a "trip report" but that will be nothing but a slanderous document full of lies.  He’ll say that he drank me under the table, that he caught a fish while I didn’t, that I tried to send him down a dead-end lane and almost caused an accident with a UPS truck, and all sorts of other total fabrications.  So I better set things straight right now. First and most important is this nonsense about drinking me under the table.  Well,  well, well, so….. well, maybe it’s kinda true.  But it was just a little table anyhoo, so who cares anyway ?  Everyone knows that Russians don’t drink, so what the hell was I supposed to do ? Now on to that supposed fish of his.  He says he took a picture, no less.  The critical piece of information is that THERE WERE NO WITNESSES.  Heck, I was fishing within 100 feet of the guy all day.  And all of a sudden, he pops up to tell me that he "caught" a fish. Sure.  Everyone who is anyone *knows* that there are no fish in 18 Mile Creek.  Either one of them, actually.  And then there is this malicious fabrication about my driving.  I really don’t want to go down that road, so let’s let it pass.  The UPS truck, that is….

[sounds of furious typing followed by pounding on the delete key] Well I was going to write all about your wonderful hospitality, your generous provision of ample alcoholic beverages while I tried to concentrate on mounting backing and lines on six spools.  Don’t forget sleeping in, nearly jumping (falling) out of bed when I woke you, scrambling the eggs inside and outside the pan.  Then there was the animated sugar bowl.  Especially apropos after you warned me. I particularly enjoyed getting locked out. Getting lost on the way to 18 mile wasn’t bad – especially the, "Are we going east, north, south or west?" bit or my favourite, "Where’s the sun?"  and the always popular, "This spot doesn’t look like it used to.  Maybe it’s the wrong spot?" Oh, don’t forget the seat belt test on Sturgeon Point Road – especially enjoyable while nursing a hangover.  The seat belt works, BTW.  The UPS driver took it all in stride – I think he knew you. Mustn’t forget the Artpark – like let’s park as far away as possible then take the Niagara Gorge obstacle course route to the water.  For a man who falls down on level ground . . . . Best of all, "I caught a steelhead!  I caught a steelhead!  And you didn’t!!!  nah, nah"   That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Well, now that you’ve worked out the anger, I think that it may be safe for me to think about another one.  You drive next time, tho:  I can’t stand the suspense.

ooooh, I can hardly wait.  Ask Forty.  <BSEG Actually, a thought just occurred to me – Forty put you up to it, didn’t he?  He wanted to see me as a helpless, post-inebriated passenger.  Where’s my shit list . . . (cue the ominous music) BTW, I don’t get angry, I get even. <EG and for the rest of ROFF readership, here follows the real TR. I won’t bore you with the preliminaries as that has already (ahem) been discussed. When someone tells you about a new creek, describes it a bit, one forms a mental image of the place.  The prosaic name ‘18 Mile Creek’ doesn’t do justice to the place, nor did my mental image.  Winding through a gorge cut into the shale, it’s one of the prettiest places that I’ve visited in the Great Lakes area and we were seeing her at her worst – bereft of greenery.  The water was high and off colour, my favourite steelhead conditions, as I find the fish to be quite bold in such water.  We had experienced an early spring snowfall so the creek is full of cold meltwater.  It is a bit busy, being a holiday Friday, but room was found to work. Greg picked a large flat that usually held fish while I scouted for other water.  I was looking for a ’step’ arrangement – chutes or riffles separated by moderate to deep flats or pools.  I find that steelies congregate either at the base of the chute in preparation for their run up, or where the chute tails out into the pool, where they seem to ‘catch their breath’ as it were.  I’ve hooked most of my steelhead from this type of water, I suppose, because the fish are just resting and not otherwise occupied. I have a favourite pattern for this colour water – it’s a large, marabou purple and black spey tied spider style.  On some, I’ll add an overwing of purple crystal flash.  I only had two of these left, one large winged version, and one smaller one, sans wing.  The winged version hooked me a steelhead within about five minutes of fishing – a nice, very fat hen of about 5 or 6 lbs.  She was in her mating colours but still somewhat bright – a nice fish in good shape.  I kept her in water while I took a picture and removed the hook – she was off like a bullet as soon as I moved her deeper. Both of us moved about and Greg tried the other side where another creek flows in to meet the main branch.  I was working close by and hooked another fish on the dangle just as I was about to cast. Earlier, I had lost the winged P&B on a rock, now I lost the small one on the fish as I popped it off when I lifted the rod to cast (didn’t realize I had a fish on.)  Greg had found a really nice spot but wasn’t rewarded with a fish.  We both had some bumps and I found that the P&Bs enticed a few hits, but either the fish didn’t like the other patterns or they had shut down for it was pretty quiet after that. We were having a chat about where to fish next when a family horde descended down the path.  "Artpark" was an instant, unanimous decision.  The Artpark sits on the side of the Niagara River and again, didn’t live up to my mental image as I had pictured the park extending close to that water.  It doesn’t.  This requires either a descent along the side of the gorge wall, or a trek down stairs.  You already know about our route.  I had taken the big stick down, with the Airflo shooting head – a perfect spot for it, I thought. The Niagara River seems boil right in front of us with huge eddies, upwellings and these deceptive flats that are actually very fast laminar flows.  Last time out spey casting with the big stick had been on a beach and a pier.  This was neither.  The jumbled, broken rock thrusts up it’s gnarled knuckles to snare your unsuspecting fly.  Let the line swing on the dangle and it’s snatched away.  Like a witch’s cauldron, the turbulent water sucks the line down – at times I’m retrieving line almost vertically out of the water – so normal line lifts are impossible.  Distance casting isn’t necessary as the fish holding water only extends out about 60′-70′ which is a good thing as the changing currents and other difficulties were making normal methods useless.  I resorted to stripping in most of the head into the guides, roll cast out most of it then spey cast out the 70′ – not pretty but it sorta worked.  Unfortunately, I managed to lose a bunch of flies before I figured this out.   Greg, being the master of the Artpark, was casting away, unperturbed by the conditions.  Greg got a bump but I only felt rock.  So endeth the day. Thank you Mr. Greg. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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You left off the part about not being able to go fishing tomrrow Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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You left off the part about not being able to go fishing tomrrow Paul

well, that and the Salmon River weather was the topper. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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The cat thought the fly was some sort of new plaything. She grabbed

it hooked herself and took off running OWW!!My mother in law caught the family dog one day,while on her way fishing back home n Louisiana.Dumb dog saw the line dangling from the rod over her shoulder,and hooked herself TWICE!!!My wife said that was the dumbest hunting dog they ever had.        Sorry bout your day btw,it always sucks when rotten stuff like that happens.Bout the best you can do is see that it could have been worse.My wifes a nurse,I’m a printer for a bank.I come home with stories of highstrung rude investment bankers,and she tells me about a patient that coded and died after 40 minutes of revival attempts.So I have a constant source of proof that it can always be worse.

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"So I have a constant source of proof that it can always be worse." I know. A few years ago my daughter died from RSV (a respiratory virus). My wife and I soon divorced though not a messy one. I would send a picture but this isn’t a binary group. I did learn to fly fish though in an effort to cope with Ashlynn’s death. Now I am back in school about to complete my associates in eletrical technology and I am thinking of moving to Idaho to start my electrical apprentice. Better flyfishing there then in Alabama. I wish everyone all the best in life Michael

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…well, if you can talk crappy, i can talk bass… yesterday, was the maiden voyage of the new gheenoe in search of ol bucketmouth.           for several months, i’ve been looking for a good fishing boat i could paddle and handle alone, but that was more stable than a canoe and offered more room than a kayak. i wanted a gheenoe, but couldn’t find one at any of the boat places i had visited in the area.  harley gheen designed the boat in the early 70s, and they have an excellent reputation as a shallow draft, easy paddling (though not as easy as a canoe), stable fishing boat. They are made in titusville, florida, and are used in the florida flats for bone and tarpon fishing, in the inland waterways, and on lakes and canals. the 15′ 4" model accomodates 2 very comfortably, with plenty of room for all the necessities.  it has a small squared stern that will hold up to a 9 hp outboard.  while not exactly light at 120 pounds, i can lift and slide it into the back of my truck, and i can drag it to the canals and waters i like to fish for bass. the draft of only 3-4" is a real asset too.         anyway, while up in windsor, nc on business, i planned a short diversion to the cashie river for an hour of shad fishing from the shore. on the way to the river, i saw them – gheenoes sitting like daffodils in the yard of a boat and tackle dealership on the cashie. 20 minutes later, the gheenoe was loaded in my truck bed and my weekend was shaping up.           on saturday, me and charlie adams headed for hyde county.  we were in the impoundment by 9 am and fished until dark.  the gheenoe is a fantastic boat for paddling in the shallows where the bass hang out, and it will move along at a good clip in the deeper water with two average paddlers. we took our fly rods along just in case the anticipated warm weather stimulated some top water bugz action. charlie spent a while standing up with his flyrod tossing bugz without success… but, the test ride proved the gheenoe to be an ideal flyfishing platform and a nice, stable ride.  i recommend it as a very versatile boat.   …and peter, it’s a good boat for a day of crappie too… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped the canuck’s lament ad lame excuse for gettin tipsy)

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We have 8< Peter

stiff upper lip and all that ‘ole chap! –waldo…. wishin peter a big fish…pdq.

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I’ll trade ya for replacing the shower stall I promised my wife I’d do tomorrow instead of goin’ steelheadin’….  ;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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Oh been there, I guess we all have. Let me share a story with you about a crappy day I had about a year ago. I caught a cat. I bought a StCroix UFT906 rod and hadn’t had it about week when I was practicing my casting a bit in the front yard. Then set the rod against the side of my car. I had a little fly of some sort on there (should have removed it before practicing in the yard). Well the tippett and fly was dangling as I was getting ready to put it up. The cat thought the fly was some sort of new plaything. She grabbed it hooked herself and took off running through my carport. My new 9 foot rod with my Ross Canyon reel went through a 3 foot door. All I saw was the rod come apart. I guess it could have been worse, the only part of the rod that was actually broke the end piece (littlest). Now instead of a 9′ rod it became a 8′6 rod. I did get the piece replaced so its back to 9′. Couple of scratches on the Ross:-( Hang in there good days will acome. At least that is what they tell me. Oh yeah I really thought of killing the cat but I can’t totally blame her. It was hit by a car several months later. michael

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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I’m not sure how useful a strict definition of fly fishing would be. California, like many other states, makes a distinction for fishing with a single barbless hook and using artificial lures only which seems like the right thing, management-wise.  It’s not clear to me why you’d ever want to distinguish between fly fishers and spinning lure casters for purposes of management. In my book, someone who uses a spinning outfit to cast a bubble with a six foot leader and a fly on the end is fly-fishing.  I cannot see why you’d ever want to prevent someone from fishing in the above manner in waters intended for the more classical forms of angling with a fly rod.  (Unless, of course, you’re British! <g).

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Yeah, that’s pretty much it.   If a state is going to have special fly fishing only streams or seasons, it should IMHO have a decent definition of what qualifies as fly fishing.  

I don’t think Georgia has any FF only public water, and I’m not sure I’d be in favor of it. We do have artificial only/single hook, etc type restrictions which I think are sufficient. I’d agree, though, that if you have a FF only designation you need a good definition.   — Charlie…

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For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted.

This definition would make lead a head jig fly.  I believe some states have a clause saying that weight cannot be molded onto the hook.

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In my book, someone who uses a spinning outfit to cast a bubble with a six foot leader and a fly on the end is fly-fishing.  I cannot see why you’d ever want to prevent someone from fishing in the above manner in waters intended for the more classical forms of angling with a fly rod.  (Unless, of course, you’re British! <g).

Rhubarb, rhubarb, murmur, murmur The right honorable gentleman from San Diego is full of CRAP!<g Mu Young Lee   Ann Arbor, MI  USA

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For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. FLY FISHING:  Angling with the use of a fly reel, fly rod, fly line, leader, and a fly or flies. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted. George Adams

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. FLY FISHING:  Angling with the use of a fly reel, fly rod, fly line, leader, and a fly or flies. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted.

I propose continuing this topic so that we might come to a practical definition of fly fishing that we could all shout out to our respective regulatory agencies.   Maybe some official definitions are already sufficient and concise.   If so, I’d love to hear them.   The Connecticut definition above, however, falls short IMO because of what is does not exclude.   Under that definition, an angler use the chuck and duck method of throwing weight but still be legally fly fishing so long as he used fly fishing equipment.   My own state regs (MD) are similarly vague. As I’ve said before, what makes fly fishing mechanically different from spin fishing is that with fly fishing, the fly is propelled by the weight of the line itself, not by weight on the end of the line.   Do you suppose we could actually work constructively together on ROFF to devise a concise regulatory definition of fly fishing that correctly and completely defines what we do? How do your state regs handle it? I’m serious.   For this topic, at least, forget all the controvery and BS we’ve been dealing with elsewhere and be rational and constructive.   We might actually accomplish something.   (I better stop before I start singing Cumbayah.) Joe

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I propose continuing this topic so that we might come to a practical definition of fly fishing that we could all shout out to our respective regulatory agencies.   Maybe some official definitions are already sufficient and concise.   If so, I’d love to hear them. I guess I don’t understand whay fly fishing needs to be defined. Are you proposing fly-fishing only waters, special seasons, etc? — Charlie…

Yeah, that’s pretty much it.   If a state is going to have special fly fishing only streams or seasons, it should IMHO have a decent definition of what qualifies as fly fishing.   In my home state of Maryland, we do have FFO streams, and violations of the spirit of that regulation are not, to my knowledge, a problem here.   However, since I read this post right after a discussion of fishing on the Salmon R. in NY, the abuse of the FFO regulation there was fresh in my mind.   I’ve kind of had a burr under my saddle about that for a few years now.   It’s not my home state, but a substantial portion of the economy in that area derives from we tourists. If it’s not a national problem though, maybe I’m just spinning wheels. Joe Joe

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great flyfishing in duck mountain prov park .rainbow,brooks, splake, brown, pike, arctic char.five hours from winnipeg manitoba canada by for more information .belly boat works best up here.

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Kennedy) writes: great flyfishing in duck mountain prov park .rainbow,brooks, splake, brown, pike, arctic char.five hours from winnipeg manitoba canada by for more information .belly boat works best up here.

Why would I want to fish in some dumb park like that when I’ve got access to the Au Sable, Manistee, Pidgeon, Jordan, Betsy, Escanaba, Pierre Marquette…unless of course it was another of the bullshit Spams trying to lie to us again. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

The only problem I had was with a barbed wire fence that was half buried. I just wanted to get them repaired, but Orvis replaced them. Otherwise, I have had about 2 years in two pairs, and have had no problems. The only thing I have to figure out is how to get the mud off of them. jim — Jim Jacoby Mt. Horeb, WI To send a reply, remove "-take_this_out-" from the address.

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

No.  But you said the magic word * Orvis *.  If you have *any* problem with them, even not liking them, Orvis will replace them.  I wore a pair of 3mm neoprenes for over a month of fishing in Maine and Labrador.  I should have bought the breathables and told my Orvis dealer about it.  He said to bring the neoprenes back and I could trade ‘em for breathables.  Neat!!!!  I’ve had no problems with them, but if I do, well Orvis is only about twenty minutes away. :0) Dave LaCourse

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I just purchased a pair of the breathable waders this past Christmas and have hd no problems with them yet.  I am hoping they will hold up pretty good Matt Rheams

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables?

the shop who sells it has problems: these waders are so affordable he’s not selling any of the expensive ones! =^) i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

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writes: *SNIP* Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

For 1998 you can also get them in green.                       Good Fishing,                             Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

Except now they come in much better green color. I just bought mine a few weeks ago, and I may never wear my neoprenes again! I’m sure  I will in the winter, but I fished a week ago in about 40 degree weather in cold, tailwater water (not sure about exact water temp), and all I wore under mine was one layer of Patagonia Expedition Weight Capilene underwear. I stayed bone dry (even after hiking 1.5 mi., mostly on gravel — ugh), and I stayed surprisingly warm. I waited until they had been out for a year or so to get some, and I wish I had bought some of the first ones (though I really do prefer the new green color — much more natural-looking). SWJ

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Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color. For 1998 you can also get them in green.  

oh no…. why not just plain tan?…

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

Thanks for all your comments.  I’ve been very cautious about breathables as the local store has had a bad time with another brand. I’ve just contacted a local Orvis store about getting a set.  The green ones, SWJ.  Thanks for the heads up on the colour. Peter

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?

Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding? Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

Try Rock Creek, close to Missoula and potent. Be sure and hit the stone fly season. You wont be able to keep them off the line!              Angler Al

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Hi, The movie "relocated" the family to Missoula, and filmed the river shots not on the Blackfoot or Missouri, but on the West Fork of the Gallatin.  So while the movie played loose with the book and with history, you will not go astray with the fishing around and about Missoula.  Great country in every direction. Jess Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for

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Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Gee I hope you are independently wealthy, or a college kid living on next to nothing, or mom and dads money.  There’s a saying around here…"whats the difference between a rich Californian and a poor Bitterrooter?"   "About two years!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Where can I fly fish within an hour or so of Phoenix next week?

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Where can I fly fish within an hour or so of Phoenix next week?

Try the Salt River, below Stewart Mountain Dam(n). It’s east of town, less than an hour away.  Any of the local fly or tackle shops (try Ellington’s Flies; they’re in the white pages) can give you directions and current info.  There are rainbow trout and largemouth bass.  Now that summer’s gone, so are the crowds. Charlie Quinton

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

Dee Crabtree

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Dear All; PETA humor is an oxymoron.  PETA people have no sense of humor. Popping Extra Tumms Antacids Perpetually Engendered to Thoughtless Activities Profanity, Epithets and Terrorist Activities Geez, I’m out!  (That first one is pretty far out there!  It’s funny if you keep reading it or saying it over to yourself.  Handgrenade humour.) Sincerely JB

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

check out www.peta.org (people eating tasty animals) I think.. -Dan-

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Please join my PETA group today !!! "Persons Enjoying Trout Almondine " TimW

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Iwould like to start a local chapter of PETA; People Extremely Tired of Assholes Dale

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Iwould like to start a local chapter of PETA; People Extremely Tired of Assholes Dale

And who would make up the charter membership, Dan ??? Dee Crabtree

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Quoting fuscor6285 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    < An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical    < Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not    < doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might    < choose to copyright it.    <    <     (Snip)    <     How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’? You can check out the web page of that other group "People Eating Tasty Animals" at http://www.peta.org/ Jim Carlisle

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And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA. It is true and there is a web page dedicated to it’s proliferation. I just can’t remember what it is though!

Try http://www.peta.org Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gary McMeekin

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

i can’t see the past posts so i may be repeating but there is a home page already using the peta name …people eating tasty animals…try http://www.peta.org or something like that and you will see why peta wishes they had regestered their name…  ;) jeff

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.   And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA.

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And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA.

It is true and there is a web page dedicated to it’s proliferation. I just can’t remember what it is though! Gary McMeekin

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.  

        (Snip)         How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

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 I may be relocating to the Richmond, Virginia area soon and would appreciate any information ya’ll may have regarding FF Clubs / Organizations there.    This is an exciting possibility for me as I’ve never been east of my Texas Gulf coastline. I trust and hope the ethics & traditions of brother anglers are alive and well in the fine Eastern areas of the United States! Once again, any information is highly appreciated. Thanks Ya’ll. TEM

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The Virginia Capital Chapter of Trout Unlimited meets on the 4th tuesday of the month at 7:30 pm at the Central Fidelity Bank north of McRea Rd in Bon Air, VA.  It’s just off Huguenot Rd across from Stony Pt. Plaza.

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TEM If you like smallmouth fishing the James River is one of the best in the South and I’m sure you will find the ladies and gentlemen the same as where you came from. Welcome to the Southeast. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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Welcome to Virginia.  We are a Flyfishing Guide and Instruction Service company named….. Flyfishing Virginia, L.L.C.  We post a weekly (well almost) column entitled, "This Week Flyfishing Virginia" where we post the results of all of our guides for the past week.  What’s hot and what’s not.  Stay tuned.  Again, Welcome to a state where you can flyfish 12 months of the years.  Bob Crawshaw and Ron Bennett,  Flyfishing Virginia L.L.C.  804-467-6668

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I like to use spoons for Northern fishing, I have good luck with little Cleo spoons ( silver ). Johnson weedless spoons are nice for getting into the weeds. Another choice are the rattling raps. Do not fish for the Walleyes my self ( I am a transplant ). Good luck

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| I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish | for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. | I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on | the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs | that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or | anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on | what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several | crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to | deep running cranks I use for bass work?   | | Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 | UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 | X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644   Rapalas (floating, count-down, shad-raps) in silver/black and gold/black.  A few daredevles in red/w and 5 of diamonds.  Some jigs and rigs for use with live bait like minnows and leeches.  A few plastic mr twisters or fuzzie grubs to go on the jigs.  If there are smallmouth, throw in a couple of tiny torpedos. — Del Cecchi  

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{14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow?

Nothing beats a leech. — G.

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I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a 14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. Stephen

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{ { {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow? -GF-

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| { | { | {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The | {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net | {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you | {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain | {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the | {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a | {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. | { | {Stephen | | In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies | other than a live minnow? | | -GF- In the summer, leeches are better than minnows and they don’t die as fast.  They can even be mail ordered I think.  They also work great for smallmouth bass. — Del Cecchi  

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but is plastic, some with flavor enhancements…not sure on the flavor though…….Also, smaller plastic worms like super-do’s….get the pearl color or silver/black……caught a 5 lb walleye on the silver/black one. Good luck… — Digiboard 6400 Flying Cloud Drive Eden Prairie, MN  55344        

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?  

I recently went on a trip similar to the one you are planning.  My father, brother and I spent Memorial Day weekend on Lake Esnagi, Ontario.  This is a large lake north of Wawa, Ontario and is accessable only by plane.  I had never been walleye/northern pike fishing in Canada so I bought crankbaits, daredevils, steel leaders; the works.  It was a waste of $40.   The only thing you will need to catch walleye, or at least the only thing anyone at our lodge used, is 1/4 ounce jigs with a Mister Twister body and a live minnow hooked through the lips.  We caught over 100 walleye on this rig (all released).  Our guide landed an 8.5 lb. walleye on 4 lb. test line with this combo the week before we arrived.  You just work the jig along the rocks until you feel a slight tug, wait a few seconds for the fish to take the contraption into its mouth and set the hook.  Most of the fish we caught schooled up during the afternoon and started feeding around 5:00 pm.  They were all off of rocky points and in 20-40 ft. of water. As for the pike, we caught a few of them mixed in with the walleye.  The guys at the lodge claim that the smaller pike (24 – 30 in.) travel and feed with the schools of walleye.  The best way to go after the larger fish was to work shallower coves that had plenty of cover (large rocks, fallen timber) with large daredevils in red & white or five of diamonds (yellow with five red diamonds).  The weedbeds hadn’t come in when we were there, but working these areas would be productive also, according to our guide.  The other method people used to catch larger pike was to bait a large hook with smelt or perch (frozen) and use about 6 ft. of line under a bobber.  They would drift past points and in the coves with this rig and wait for the bobber to slowly move under water.  I was told that larger fish "cruise" the coves and points for baitfish and will only take bait.  This paid off for a couple guys, one of them caught a 12 pounder!  I never tried it. Enjoy your trip and good luck.

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I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?   Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644

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