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The 2IC wandered into my office yesterday and noted that the 1IC was detained and wouldn’t be in for the rest of the day … I looked at my duffle bag (which contains accoutrements for annoying fish) looked back at the 2IC and said "I might make it to 3:30 this afternoon …" I didn’t – at 2:50 I teed up the pick-up and we were well on our way by 3:30.  How is it that roadwork crews unfailingly select peak hour to rip up roadways? Does it take them all day to find the road to be ripped up?  Is it their way of making sure the maximum number of rate payers "notice" them? If so, they do a mighty fine job of it. Bugger ‘em. I’d scoped out a pool and glide a few weeks ago that provided some terrific dry-fly fishing mid-morning and that’s where we were heading. It was a bit warm waiting to get through the council induced traffic snarl but the air-con worked well as always – we just opened the windows wider.  Actually the weather looked a bit stormy before we hit the Divide and the cool mountain air. A few spots of rain as we geared up was all the inclemency suffered and the clouds gradually dissipated as the afternoon wore on. As I said, I scoped this stream a few weeks ago, and you guessed it: nary a fish in places I found them previously.  We fished, peeked, snuck, and skulked around and through through some nice looking water only picking up the odd fish.  We weren’t moving fast enough for me though – I really wanted to see that pool and its tailout. Bugger – a couple of fish in side channels. We did our best … he to catch them, me to get a wriggle on.   Columns of midges a metre in diameter and some 3-5 metres high  were evident over some of the backwaters – how many insects in those columns?   They twisted and gyrated like huge schools of baitfish being rounded up by predators.  A combination of the fluky breeze and the midges’ urges drove the column to writhe, twist and seemingly eject adults at the base of the column. There lay a single predator waiting and sipping the evicted with unhurried confidence.  Those that escaped that vortex trickled out of the backwater and down stream past us and into a drop pool.  You have to get your rocks off quick if you’re a midge. At last! The pool. They rose. All of them.  They rose and we cast, and we cast and we cast.  Then the takes started – one, two, three – six or more  missed.  Bigger fly same pattern – its getting dark. _Somebody_ was fairing a little better and had one, the bounder was using a swing I noticed on his second.  Not an unreasonable tactic considering the number of caddis about.  Same dry fly, cast to the same fish, cast across and drawn as it approached a fishes position bought good solid takes and hook-ups.   Certainly my imaginings about the pool had more than been matched by the reality at least on this occasion. A  pleasant surprise and a lovely place to put a bend in a new rod. As for Caddis: to dead-drift or not: that is the question: Whether ’tis nobler to suffer the rings and splashes of short takes, or to take arms against a battery of upstream dry-fly men and, by opposing, offend?  Yet by a swing we end the heart-ache and catch. Steve (humblest apologies to Bill … and any who got this far

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…….(humblest apologies to Bill … and any who got this far

Yeah, well, billy’s on his own.  Besides, he understood the groundlings.  Nice stuff, Steve. Not sure exactly where you’re at.  I was almost enticed into a backpacking trip in the Blue Mountains a couple of years ago.  Any fish there? Wolfgang

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Not sure exactly where you’re at.  I was almost enticed into a backpacking trip in the Blue Mountains a couple of years ago.  Any fish there?

It’s not my neck of the woods, but yes there are.  Small stream’s that you’d be used to, with populations of small browns and rainbows. The Cox’s River is rather larger and had (I haven’t heard much of it in the last few years) a significant rainbow run each winter (at least I think its winter).   Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not sure exactly where you’re at.  I was almost enticed into a backpacking trip in the Blue Mountains a couple of years ago.  Any fish there? It’s not my neck of the woods, but yes there are.  Small stream’s that you’d be used to, with populations of small browns and rainbows. The Cox’s River is rather larger and had (I haven’t heard much of it in the last few years) a significant rainbow run each winter (at least I think its winter). Steve

Hm…….interesting.  One last questions then.  Ya’ll got any REAL beer down there?      :) Wolfgang

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Hm…….interesting.  One last questions then.  Ya’ll got any REAL beer down there?      :)

Yep, you can also get Bud if you want it.   Steve

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I can mount the rod holders on the gunwale (such as it is) a foot behind the seat, where they are a little hard to reach but work well for trolling.  Or I can mount them 8" forward of my knees, where they are accessible and viewable, but not the best for trolling and turning.  Is there a consensus on the best place?

I fly fish from my SOT and occasionally ‘troll’ a streamer. I just put the rod over my shoulder to do that. My rod holders are behind the seat, though. — Charlie…

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I can mount the rod holders on the gunwale (such as it is) a foot behind the seat, where they are a little hard to reach but work well for trolling.  Or I can mount them 8" forward of my knees, where they are accessible and viewable, but not the best for trolling and turning.  Is there a consensus on the best place? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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Enjoyed your report, I was up that way a couple of weeks ago and went to Steep Banks. 12 guys standing around casting into one small pool, it might be famous but it did not interest me. Waded on up the river but had no luck except in a couple of small pools.  ;The word was that the fish would be in the river in a couple of weeks, but I could not wait  so moved over to Upper Dam and caught a couple of 15inch salmon and three trout close in but was not interested in standing out in the flow for three hours in one spot to catch a fish.  The one thing I have to say was that the whole area was dead drop beautiful  but guess I still prefer the mountains of North Carolina , climbing over the rocks to catch a 8inch trout.     Indian Joe Wilmington N.C.

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Great report, Allen.  Too bad you could not make it to the Rapid.  I am heading up to the East Branch of the Kennebec this week with a couple of friends.  And, yes, I’m bringing warm clothes. Dave L.

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Dave and Injun, The whole trip really cemented in my mind where my wife and I will end up living in a few years. Hope youu don’t mind sharing the fish and birds! Allen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great report, Allen.  Too bad you could not make it to the Rapid.  I am heading up to the East Branch of the Kennebec this week with a couple of friends.  And, yes, I’m bringing warm clothes. Dave L.

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Folks, Work has been keeping me from even lurking the last few weeks but SWMBO and I have just returned from a trip north to RI for her folks 50th anniversary and then up to Rangeley ME for a week to help a friend winter prep his camp and wet a line for a bit. I’ve never been up that way before but from all the folks I talked to the water was way low and the fishing slow. Our friends camp is "Fiddlehead" just below Bald Mtn on Rangeley lake but ended up fishing the Kennebunk pretty far down. "Steep Bank" came highly recommended but "take a number" fishing is not my bag anymore. We hiked up the stream a bit and despite having spent a lot of time in the woods it’s pretty easy to see how folks become lost in the Maine woods. Thick does not begin to describe it and had to restart the heart once due to flushing Grouse. Upstream was shallow and no real cover so back down to what we found later was called "Trout Rock" Gorgeous little pool with a steep rock pile on one side and about 6′ deep. Started by casting #10 Black Ghost (might as well start local). Ended up going up and down a bit and finally settled on a #16 Brassie. That turned out to surprisingly be the ticket. 4 nice Brookies all about 12-14 inches. Such gorgeous fish my hands trembled releasing them. Finally a Salmon showed some interest. The barest tap and I was on to a 19" fish that explored all corners of the pool before coming to net. Again, I was awed by the colors and spirit of the fish. My wife and I got up early the next morning and headed to the the stream running from the Little Kennebago. Bright day but cold (28 F) and no wind. If you didn’t see the ice forming in your guides you wouldn’t have noticed the cold. A couple strikes but no fish did see a beaver and had to come to a complete stop on the way home to let a brace of Grouse get out of the road. Just before we joined rt. 16 again had a cow Moose stop right along side the road and stare as we stopped to take her picture. This was the first time my wife has fly fished and I think she got the picture that’s its not just the fish. Sorry for the general disjointness of this report but as we just got home I thought I’d drop in and try and break up the politics Before I lost the mental pictures I brought home. With work being all consuming at times we have to stop and spend time afield with rod or gun to put things in perspective. Allen Epps Catonsville MD

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finer tippets and different flies till ya get it figured out…..have the local shop recommend a fly or two.

And that would be Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading.   Helpful, good guys in my limited experience there.    (On W. Penn Ave.?  Tom?) Joe F.

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One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info. minkaz

As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet.  If you are using a tapered leader get one which goes down to 5X.  IF you have plenty of casting room get your line into the air and false cast letting out a little line as you go until you get 30 ft. or so out then lay it on the water.  Add power to your strokes as you add line.  Finesse and control will come with practice. Make sure to hold the line in your opposit hand and running over your rod hand index finger.  Watch the fly and at the strike set the hook with the LINE hand and not the rod.  Tightening up on the rod with the index finger at the same time also gives you a quicker set response. DO NOT TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE FLY NOR DROP THE LINE!  This is important for a newbie to get used to the strike response. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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: Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 : feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to : haul. To get past 20′ you *do not* need to learn to haul!

Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. TC, R

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Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide. The fish commission here has an excellent stocking program.. They release 50 or 60 goldens in this area as trophy fish each year.  It is true however that we have no natural goldens.

Wow this guy’s pretty good – way to keep your cool minkaz. I’m more concerned with getting a good presentation at this point than distance.

Good man! Regards, Jeff

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I’m was casting about 20 ‘ of fly line.

So that’s roughly a 30′ cast. You can catch a lot of fish with that, as long as the surface isn’t real smooth or the trout wary. Regards, Jeff

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Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO.

A cast of 30 feet is more than adequate in most stream situations, especially when fishing dries like the gentleman was describing. ALL anglers can control drag and make more accurate presentations and cast at shorter distances. Few, even experienced anglers, can really control drag and presentation on a stream at distances over this.  Instead of trying for more distance, my advice would be to first learn to: cast accurately within this 30′ distance stalk and wade carefully control drag make a "delicate" presentation control the line make reasonable fly selections Willi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 : feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to : haul. To get past 20′ you *do not* need to learn to haul! Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. A cast of 30 feet is more than adequate in most stream situations, especially when fishing dries like the gentleman was describing. ALL anglers can control drag and make more accurate presentations and cast at shorter distances. Few, even experienced anglers, can really control drag and presentation on a stream at distances over this.  Instead of trying for more distance, my advice would be to first learn to: cast accurately within this 30′ distance stalk and wade carefully control drag make a "delicate" presentation control the line make reasonable fly selections

Agreed, somewhat.  Originally, I was simply addressing the distance question, but I do think learning to haul is a needed skill.  I will admit I may have being somewhat presumptive, but I did think by "distance" the poster meant more than going from 20 feet to 30 feet.  Usually when someone on ROFF (especially newbies) brings up distance, they seem to mean "casting tourney" distances, and, IMO, even the lower end of that range is nearly *impossible* (I’d say *_IMPOSSIBLE_*, but I never say that…<G) without a double haul, especially with an novice and a fishing-built rod, much less a vet and a tournament-built rod (which is why they are/were two different rods).  If you care, look up some of my posts for my opinions on the "gotta go long" thinking. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi

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Nahhhh.  You go JeffC.  Just let us know how it works out

Hmm, half the shit I get is for complaining to much and not contributing too discussions actually related too fly fishing.  Half the shit I get is for adding to much too fly fishing discussions.  The other half of the shit I get is for being a general wiseass, jackass, or just plane pimply white ass.  I’m sure you’ll understand if I just post what I want to — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet.

But wouldn’t you want to know what kind of water he’s fishing before recommending a fly like that?  All we know so far as that where he’s fishing is: "small creek about 15 feet across.  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear."  It could be a smooth surfaced, clear spring creek.  We also know he’s getting a lot of refusals.  Would you recommend the same or different fly for that? — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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We also know he’s getting a lot of refusals.

Correction – he’s getting rises but not hooking them – don’t know if they are refusals or not. — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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(uninformed snipped) Regards, Jeff

On Eastern streams the RW is an excellent all-a-round searching pattern well suited for small stream use.  His objective here is to "learn the methodology" and take a few fish.  He will get enough takers on the size and fly type recommended to develop the striking technique, have a fly visible enough to watch on the surface to develop his line handling techniques, and a "close enough" match to many hatches in the region this time of year.  Entomology, selective line handling, water reading, and casting improvement will be developed over time with on-water practice. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet. But wouldn’t you want to know what kind of water he’s fishing before recommending a fly like that

    i don’t give a damn if you are fishing the lava flow in hawaii, or the runoff from victoria falls.  if there’s a trout in the water, he will come about as close to hitting a rw as anything else. wayno

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Are you casting 20 feet between you and the fly, or 20 feet of flyline? It may not be that you’re jumping the gun, but of course it might  They may be rising to it but not actually taking it in their mouths.  You could try a more sparsely tied fly (for example a thorax or no hackle instead of a Wullf style, if the water is fairly flat).  Or you could just try a size or 2 smaller.  Or you could try a longer, lighter tippet. Regards, Jeff

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You MAY be setting the hook to fast.  Then again you may not be fast enough.  Fish will spit anything that doesn’t feel right.  Timing is critical. If you’re getting fish to rise to your fly you don’t need to cast any further.  Don’t worry about it. Distance will come with practice. Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide.

The fish commission here has an excellent stocking program.. They release 50 or 60 goldens in this area as trophy fish each year.  It is true however that we have no natural goldens.  I was just out for a little bit this morning and the casting is coming along due to some really good advice.  I’m more concerned with getting a good presentation at this point than distance.   just looking ahead for some pond/lake fishing but for now i’m happy as a clam at the creeks and streams in the area..   thank again for all the info minkaz

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Are you casting 20 feet between you and the fly, or 20 feet of flyline? It may not be that you’re jumping the gun, but of course it might  They may be rising to it but not actually taking it in their mouths.  You could try a more sparsely tied fly (for example a thorax or no hackle instead of a Wullf style, if the water is fairly flat).  Or you could just try a size or 2 smaller.  Or you could try a longer, lighter tippet. Regards, Jeff

I’m was casting about 20 ‘ of fly line.  i’ve gotten better today though so the distance is coming.. I received some info stating i was probably moving the rod too much and it was the case…   i had a little rainbow on this morning but it spit the hook.  still lots of fun though. be going out later. thanks again minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.  I’ve gotten my cast down pretty good well good for the creek i fish..  I can’t get decent distance but the presentation seems to be not too bad.  Any tips on increasing distance?  I’m only getting about 20 feet now, which is about double what i was getting heheeh. Now for the big question.. I’ve been fishing for trout in a small creek and  i’ve been using dry flies and have gotten a lot of hits.. fishing is good here in NE PA.  However i can’t seem to get a good hookset or any hookset for that matter…. probably me jumping the gun but any advice on this would be appreciated. Equipment i’ve been using is a cheap combo i wanted to try out just to get into it a bit more to see if i liked it before investing a ton of cash.  It’s a pflueger rod 5-6   using a #6 wf flyline and a tapered leader.  whole thing cost me about 35 bucks and i’ve gotten some activity from the trout just can’t seem to land one.   One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info. minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.  I’ve gotten my cast down pretty good well good for the creek i fish..  I can’t get decent distance but the presentation seems to be not too bad.  Any tips on increasing distance?  I’m only getting about 20 feet now, which is about double what i was getting heheeh.

Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to haul. Now for the big question.. I’ve been fishing for trout in a small creek and  i’ve been using dry flies and have gotten a lot of hits.. fishing is good here in NE PA.  However i can’t seem to get a good hookset or any hookset for that matter…. probably me jumping the gun but any advice on this would be appreciated.

1st, sharpen your hooks, then work on your technique – practice, practice, practice. Equipment i’ve been using is a cheap combo i wanted to try out just to get into it a bit more to see if i liked it before investing a ton of cash.  It’s a pflueger rod 5-6   using a #6 wf flyline and a tapered leader.  whole thing cost me about 35 bucks and i’ve gotten some activity from the trout just can’t seem to land one.  

IMO, the cost of the equipment shouldn’t be the deciding factor in catching fish and see above about practice. One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info.

Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.

        ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno         p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

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Any tips on increasing distance? check out books and videos from the library Equipment I’ve been using is a cheap combo

good for you…money aint the thing…. One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning a round. finer tippets and different flies till ya get it figured out…..have the local shop recommend a fly or two. flies, finer tippets and sneaky’s the key….for now anyhow

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Nahhhh.  You go JeffC.  Just let us know how it works out (notwithstanding the Richardson Lady.  For GOD’S sake, don’t make her mad…). Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.         ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno         p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using? typical conditions where i fish are:  small creek about 15 feet across..  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear. i’ts over 6.5 feet deep i know due to me being a newbie at rock climbing also lol.   anyway i’ve been seeing lots and lots of trout in the pool and also at the far end of it in the shallows.  i caught a golden there the other day with my ultralight.  patterns?  i have no idea i’ve been tying on so many different flies and just going with what they chase. So far what’s worked best is an ant and anything that has some yellow or brown color in it.   I have had a few bites but the old heart got pounding and i guess i went to set the hook to fast. Hopefully i’ll settle down with that or i’ll be moving into a cardiac care center.  Again thanks for all the replies

You MAY be setting the hook to fast.  Then again you may not be fast enough.  Fish will spit anything that doesn’t feel right.  Timing is critical. If you’re getting fish to rise to your fly you don’t need to cast any further.  Don’t worry about it. Distance will come with practice. Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide.

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   ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno    p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

hehe i drive an old 79 ford f150 pick up that i’m in the process of restoring.. but i’m not a plummer hehehehe

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Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using?

typical conditions where i fish are:  small creek about 15 feet across..  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear. i’ts over 6.5 feet deep i know due to me being a newbie at rock climbing also lol.   anyway i’ve been seeing lots and lots of trout in the pool and also at the far end of it in the shallows.  i caught a golden there the other day with my ultralight.  patterns?  i have no idea i’ve been tying on so many different flies and just going with what they chase. So far what’s worked best is an ant and anything that has some yellow or brown color in it.   I have had a few bites but the old heart got pounding and i guess i went to set the hook to fast. Hopefully i’ll settle down with that or i’ll be moving into a cardiac care center.  Again thanks for all the replies minkaz

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That’s a very nice site, Bill.  Is that you holding that big (steelhead?) on the top of the "reports" section?  It looks like the two of you are dancing a waltz.  One two three, one two three…. One more observation:  you have more ‘winter water’ in CA than we have ‘water’ in NM. Really a nicely done and information packed website. bruiser Any roffians visiting the San Juan this winter better call me in advance so I can have a good excuse to take the day off.

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Hi All, I am inviting you all to participate in our new Bulletin Board on our site. We have two topics so far. 1) Fly Fishing and 2) Fly Tying. We would love to get some fishing reports from other parts of the country and other parts of the world too. Thanks to All. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup?  I guess if you count this petty whine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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Just curious, where are you writing from because your emails were dated 3/12 and the times were 1:17AM and 1:23AM? Shouldn’t that put you about two or three time zones into the Atlantic Ocean?

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Just curious, where are you writing from because your 2 emails were dated 3/12 and the times were 1:17AM and 1:23AM? Shouldn’t that put you about two or three time zones east of the eastern seaboard and into the Atlantic Ocean?

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I agree! I regret that the NG has strayed so far afield. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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W Hart wrote Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? …

If so, none are memorable. However, we have recently lost Mike Connor, one of the more interesting contributors in the last year, and part of the reason we have lost him is because of the turn the group has taken lately.  Mr. G contributes but he also detracts, kind of a zero-sum contribution if you ask me.  Still, by ignoring any post with ‘bastard’ in the subject, I pretty much get to avoid his spam and just see his positive contributions and occasional political rants … which are laughable and obviously not to be taken seriously. But…I wish we hadn’t lost Mike. —                                                       -dnc-

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W Hart wrote Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? … If so, none are memorable. However, we have recently lost Mike Connor, one of the more interesting contributors in the last year, and part of the reason we have lost him is because of the turn the group has taken lately.  Mr. G contributes but he also detracts, kind of a zero-sum contribution if you ask me.  Still, by ignoring any post with ‘bastard’ in the subject, I pretty much get to avoid his spam and just see his positive contributions and occasional political rants … which are laughable and obviously not to be taken seriously. But…I wish we hadn’t lost Mike.

  Agreed HM

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Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup?  I guess if you count this petty whine.

Namesake: The fact that Mr. Medina browsed the newsgroup means he contributed something constructive. If this group is like many others, many more folks browse vs post. While I’m sure that some bright techno internet fluent person could tell us that probably  90% of the post come from maybe 25 people. Sometimes the hardest lesson for us to learn to listen first, then post. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further….

Geez.  It’s obvious that Mr. G thrives on all of the attention.   The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him.  It would also serve the desires of the pros. Personally I like the guy, but I understand why he infuriates many.  But Mr. G seems to believe that any publicity is good publicity. Michael

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Is it just me, or is he not taking his own advice?  Hypocracy shining like a lighthouse here. He is leaving the group because he is sick of reading people’s (including mine) PHEWING, YET his advice to people is,  "they should just ignore his posts rather than reading them" Larry, if you don’t want to ignore the PHEWING posts, because they ruin the group for you to the point of leaving, how can you suggest that  we should just ignore SPAMboo posts which are ruining the group for us? Come back soon Larry, become a part of the solution of making this group more flyfishing related. Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him.  It would also serve the desires of the pros.

That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s. — Jeff Cook Washington DC area http://www.cookstudios.com

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The best thing that the anti-G[ehrke] forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros. That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s.

By Jove, I think he’s got it!   But more likely than not we’re all getting sucked into this giant G-Hole. (hah! the subject heading made you look, you licentious ne’er do wells) In other minor news, I tied up some saltwater streamers for a buddy in Boston and then wondered how I could send them to him.  Found that one of those floppy disk cases (that holds 4-5 disks) makes a perfect reusable mailing case.  I had a couple of these lying around from back in the days when floppies were more common. Mu Young Lee     Ann Arbor, MI    USA

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The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him.  It would also serve the desires of the pros. That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s. — Jeff Cook Washington DC area http://www.cookstudios.com

Hmmmmm If you algebraically add the positive G and the negative G does that mean that that there’s no G spot? Jheez, this could be serious. — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.             Robert Frost (1874-1963)

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I guess in the greater scheme we can consider each presence adds to us in its existence or diminishes us in its loss.  Certainly lurkers and the most worthwhile sport of lurking has many advantages.  We certainly do not want to discourage lurkers for there-in lies the untapped gold.  However, a whine is a far cry from a lurk.  And, Dear Wayne, there will be no Whine before its time! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Namesake: The fact that Mr. Medina browsed the newsgroup means he contributed something constructive. If this group is like many others, many more folks browse vs post. While I’m sure that some bright techno internet fluent person could tell us that probably  90% of the post come from maybe 25 people. Sometimes the hardest lesson for us to learn to listen first, then post. Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. Geez.  It’s obvious that Mr. G thrives on all of the attention.   The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him.  It would also serve the desires of the pros. Personally I like the guy, but I understand why he infuriates many.  But Mr. G seems to believe that any publicity is good publicity. Michael

_______  wrong. Mr. G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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Amazing!  You don’t like it yet you keep reading it over, and over, and over.  If you want just the information you specifically wish to see I suggest you set down, write yourself several hundred extremely boorish e-mails and send them to yourself over a period of several months.  Better yet, go out and buy a Fly Fishing magazine!  Everything you ever wanted to know, and all the knowledge in the world for just a few schekles, or are you too cheap to spring for the ‘zine.  You want information?  Go buy an encyclopedia.  You want knowledge and experience not found in writing anywhere else?  Naw, you don’t want to read anything not specifically tailored to your personal wants and desires.  I sure hope your wife doesn’t bore you one evening! Come again when you can stay longer! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I agree! I regret that the NG has strayed so far afield. Jim Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him.  It would also serve the desires of the pros. That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s. — Jeff Cook Washington DC area http://www.cookstudios.com

______  Brings back memories of my fighter pilot days. very funny Jeff. Neutral G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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Similarly, I came back to see what progress was being made with the ‘Bastards’ and hopefully to find a little more civility. Not to be. What I found is the S.O.S.

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Hi John:  if you’re going to be in the Placencia area, we’d love to help you out.  Also, you might want to check our site for info about Belize fishing. Hope you have a great time while you’re here. Mary — Mary V. Toy                           Kevin Modera Guide Services Professional Guides for Tropical Anglers Placencia, Belize Voice and Fax:  (314) 776-3496 URL:  http://www.kevinmodera.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Where in Belize will the cruise be stopping? If it will be at Ambergris Caye (San Pedro), El Pescador, (26) 2975, and Rubie’s Hotel, (26) 2083, have guides available, but I haven’t fished there in a few years. Moon Travel Handbooks’ "Belize Handbook" by Chicki Mallan has some more info. Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Didn’t you hear?  Roatan is gone.  It was washed away by the hurricane. Ash Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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     I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.        If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.        What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch more than they did.      I appreciate all the help.  Steve All replies will be held in the strictest of confidence.

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:      I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot : fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and : 6 ft. leader technique.   I can but choose not to most of the time. :      If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I : have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you : like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret. No shame in that. I do it quite often when fishing a lake from the shore. It enables me to cast much further out into the lake than with a fly rod when using dry flies or small artificials. :      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? : It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does : this spook the fish? Suit yourself. I generally leave them half full so I can see them. :      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what : on retrieve speed.   Depends on the lure. With a dry fly I just give it a twitch every once in a while. With a spinner I keep it going fast enough for the blades to spin. :      What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. : Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become : waterlogged and sink? Gotta match them to the local conditions. There is no right or wrong answer. :      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly : to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do : I let them sink? It depends but the Castabubble is all you really need. It’ll take a sudden move just before you feel the strike :      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly : down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they : have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch : more than they did. It takes patience and practice. I generally use a fly rod for streams and a Spinning rod for lakes. Other times I take whats easiest to toss in the pickup and head out. BiNM

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    I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.       If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.

Secret practice?  I’ve probably been using this technique for 15 years though I now do all my flyfishing with a flyrod.     Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it?

Depends on the fly you’re using.  If you’re fishing a dry or wet (grey hackle peacocks are killer with this technique) fill the bubble half to 3/4 full.  You can still chuck it a long way.  If the fish aren’t hitting the surface put on a nymph, streamer, or emerger and fill the bubble up completely.  I used to use the kind of bubbles with just a plastic sleeve in the middle.  I’d run the line through and tie it to a small swivel and then my leader to that.  When the bubble is full it has pretty much a neutral bouyancy and the addition of the swivel and optionally a small split shot will slowely sink it.  Cast it out and use a count down technique before starting your retrieve until you find what depth the fish are.  You can also replace the nymph is a 1-1.5" piece of night crawler and fish it the same way. It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?

I don’t think so.  I’ve had some high Sierra brookies hit the bubble on occasion.     Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.  

S-l-o-w, when you’re fishing a fly on the surface or just below it, short jerks for nymphs or streamers.     What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?     Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?

See above.  The type of fly, whether to use floatant, and the depth are all dependant upon where the fish are feeding.  Rather then use a strike indicator a couple of dots of flourescant paint on the bubble would serve the same purpose, though I’ve never needed to do that. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

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There is an article on ground bait in this months issue of In-Fisherman. I must admit, until I read the article, I had never heard of ground bait. (Apparently, it is very popular in Europe). The article specifically targets Bluegill (Shellcrackers). They mention using Spam, and other ingredients. Sorry, I dont have the issue with me or I would include the recipie. One thing I do remember was that they claimed that there is no better bait for Bluegill that have been attracted by groundbait than Maggots. I hope you can find a copy of the issue.

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,  Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Chopped worms added either to peat (as a binder) or to a breadcrumb based groundbait always works well for perch. Tench and bream go for it too. Bream are traditionally groundbaited for with bread crumb based groundbait, containing samples of whatever the hook bait is.  There are lots of commercial groundbaits and additives which are good for roach, bream, rudd etc. Having said that, loose fed maggots are usually sufficient for perch. Steve

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First I’d like to indroduce myself for this is my first posting this   newsgroup. I live in the northern part of Germany and I’m thirty years old, I’ve been   fishing for various species with a lot methods for nearly twenty years.   I’ve been a serious carp angler for ten years but nowadays I spend most of   the time fishing for seatrout in the baltic sea either with fly or   spinning baits and I enjoy flyfishing for atlantic salmon in Norway Anyway, here we go:. To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Hello Curtis, Well, attracting bream is quite simple, first you need a lot of groundbait   because bream feed in great schoals and eat a lot. To hold them in place   for a longer time really needs a lot of bait. For a 5 hour bream session I   would recommend at least 3 gallons of groundbait, if there is a good stock   of bream the water. The difficulty in bream fishing is to get larger specimen (4 lbs + fish),   for they tend to travel solitarily the bigger they get. Smaller bream are easy to attract and to catch, if the water holds a good   stock and they live in large schoals.. The basic substance should be breadcrumb or bread. The groundbait should   be sweet for bream, vanilla is a very common additive and caramel, sugar   or koprah molasses are widely used by European bream anglers. Add maggots   or other live bait (worms) to the groundbait, about 1/4 of a gallon or so.   A good substance to add to bream groundbait are crushed butter cookies,   they can make up to 1/3 or even more of the mix. Don’t buy them in a   supermarket, try to get substandard goods from a factory or bakery. Good hook baits for bream are: maggots lobworms combination of maggot/lobworm combination of sweetcorn and maggot breadflake The "sweet bream mix" works very well for tench  either. When fishing for roach the mixture should be less sweet than for bream.   Hemp meal is very attractive for roach and cooked hemp is a fine hook bait   for this species (the basic substance beeing breadcrumb as well). And a substance used by European competions anglers is dove shit, believe   me or not, not much, some 2% or so. The Dutch and Belgian anglers have   used that for a number of years. Good hook baits for roach and rudd are maggots or casters. and especially for rudd the breadflake You’ll get a problem when there are a lot of carp in the water, because   carp like these groundbaits too. And they drive away the smaller fish   from your swim, when the occur in larger numbers. The only way of dealing with them in such a case is to get out the carp   rods …. . Attracting perch with groundbait doesn’t work. You can use a catapult and   shoot maggots in larger quantities into the water, this will attract some   perch but will attract more and more roach and/or rudd. Kind regards Wolfgang — Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to   contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration. (Izaak Walton,   The compleat angler, London 1653) ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##

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Would the guy that posted about the Saltwater flyfishing trip for rockfish in the kelp beds off of Santa Cruz please followup with a valid email address?  I tried responding via email but it bounced.  I’m interested in the Livermore Flyfishers group that was mentioned. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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That’s a numeral one after my name. Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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