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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup. Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter.

He said ‘newsgroup’<g. — Charlie…

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alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter.

as does alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup…

- Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well…. Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup. Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter. He said ‘newsgroup’<g.

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark…

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup… – Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well….

Send ‘em to George. He could use the company…

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Wayne reprimands in message: Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup… – Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile. – Oh well…. Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

        post or die, yankee devil! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – post or die, yankee devil! wayno

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there!

Ever seen Basic Instinct?  Michael Douglas called her "the fuck of the century".  And he get’s around, from what I hear. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Forget it Wayno!  You wouldn’t like her.  She just lays there!

        in a display of courage that has been a lifetime hallmark, i am willing to give her a shot. wayno

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– Hmmmm….. and *I* was thinking about sending a few photos of Sharon Stone on the Upper Delaware River on a hot muggy August afternoon when the mercury hit 95 wearing a *wet* ROFF t-shirt and a big smile.

What, who, huh? BTW, I once mistakenly looked up www.teeny.com thinking it was Jim Teeny’s web site.  For the record, it’s www.teeny-nymph.com. Mu

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Mu Young Lee sets us straight: What, who, huh? BTW, I once mistakenly looked up www.teeny.com thinking it was Jim Teeny’s web site.  For the record, it’s www.teeny-nymph.com.

- Which shouldn’t be confused with: alt.teeny.nymphs 8)* – Sorry….couldn’t resist.

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup.  Ask any who wish to view it to contact you directly and ship it individually.  Some of our members pay per usage on the connection.  If my Queensland buddy in Brisbane gets wind of this he may take a break from "swimming the bar" and hunt you down just for the sport.  Damn near declared ‘roos endangered in parts of Australia because of his over-eagerness! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Tim, Bad move guy.  PLEASE, never send a picture to a newsgroup.

Huh ? alt.flyfishing accepts binaries in its charter. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?

Numbers are only necessary for bragging.

Of course, they are! For winter camping only, I like to carry one of those minimum registering thermometers that you lay down horizontally beside your sleeping bag. Makes for great stories when you get home! There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker.

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A note regarding those of us who have Garmin GPS’. Some models are able to display temperature inside the case. This was intended specifically for internal calibration functions, but I’ve found it very accurate. It means letting the unit sit awhile in the environment you wish to measure. It can be accessed by specific combined key-presses. For more info, the following address should be enlightening. http://www.celia.mehaffey.com/dale/secret.htm jr

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Actually we are using this for a couple of reasons. — 1. Fun toy 2. Gathering data for the conditions during igloo building with our Icebox product. We do not feel giving inaccurate info to possible customers is right. It is a very nice unit but overkill for most unless you like gadgets.

I love gadgets. How big is this one, and how much does it cost? Adam Marx "Why must I fail at all my attempts at masonry?"

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The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili).

way kewl. how low does the thermometer read? how much do they cost and where can they be had? Cheaper than dirt sells a little coleman zipperpull, thermometer, compass, windchill chart for $2.97, but from the picture it appears it only goes down to about 0F. http://www.campmor.com campmor seems to have the best selection including digital (reads down to -58F), pen shaped (-50F) and keychain/compass(-30F).

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There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker.

Paul,    Mmmmmm! Don’t the respect feel good? "You gotta be nuts".    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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I have owned several, and while they may be pretty accurate, they will NOT give you an accurate indication of surrounding temperature until some time (manufacturer’s recommendations vary, but they seem to require at least 20 min.) after they are removed from your body (wrist)

I don’t usually take much note of the temp, but a couple of weeks ago I had my Avocet lying on the ground as I set up camp and cooked dinner. As I was starting to clean up I noticed that the Avocet read 39 F while my water bottle had frozen nearly half way from the bottom (I always prop the bottle upside down). I’d guess that for ice to form in your bottle just about fast enough to see it, it must be near 20. Guess it’s time for servicing, unless they are this innacurate by default. — Spammers NOTE: Your email to me is prohibited except for submissions for my proofreading services, for which my fee is $500 per email.

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What kind of experience do you folks have with digital thermometers? I would think they don’t work very well in cold (like 0 degrees fahrenheit) considering reduced battery output and lcd displays are probably very sensitive to cold temperatures.

Well, it does take a while for the display to display what it is displaying at 0F.  Also, the chronometer loses a bit of time at those temperatures.  After a week at shirt-sleeve temperatures, it’s less than a half-second off.  After three nights at 0F, it’s a second or two off. So, is it better to stick with old reliable liquid thermometers?

Better?  Different.  More reliable?  They are easier to break. — Jim Fuller

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?

I used to use a little thermometer, but it was in-accurate. I then realized that I didn’t need that kind of accuracy anyway.  Numbers are only necessary for bragging. I have a few indicators.  Water…  If its liquid it’s above freezing, solid below.    If the trees are cracking from the cold it’s even colder.  Inhale through the nose.  If the nose-hairs freeze together, its quite cold.  The volume of the sound when walking on snow gives an indication as well. All these give me enough of an indication of the temperature for practical purposes. -Pete — Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email)                  at http://www.cauce.org/  It is there as an experiment to see if email spammers scan content — Pete Hickey               |                         |       VEIWIT University of Ottawa      |                         |      mirrors for Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 562-5800×1008    |       dyslexics.

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    What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?     I used to use a little thermometer, but it was in-accurate.   I then realized that I didn’t need that kind of accuracy   anyway.  Numbers are only necessary for bragging.   Of course, they are! For winter camping only, I like to carry one of those minimum registering thermometers that you lay down horizontally beside your sleeping bag. Makes for great stories when you get home! There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker. — Cheers, Paul Weiss Personal Home Page: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~cpweiss/ Quote: "To you, it’s a six-pack … to me, it’s a support group!"            "Don’t take life too seriously … nobody gets out alive!"                                                        

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  We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point,   humidity, heat stress index.   This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to   10 seconds.   — Oooohhh … now doesn’t that sound like one sexy toy!! — Cheers, Paul Weiss Personal Home Page: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~cpweiss/ Quote: "To you, it’s a six-pack … to me, it’s a support group!"            "Don’t take life too seriously … nobody gets out alive!"                                                        

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Actually we are using this for a couple of reasons. — 1. Fun toy 2. Gathering data for the conditions during igloo building with our Icebox product. We do not feel giving inaccurate info to possible customers is right. It is a very nice unit but overkill for most unless you like gadgets. — Guy (Gadget Boy) Menge http://www.grandshelters.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds. Wow!  What are you doing?  Hiking or waxing for an olympic XC ski event? — Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email)                  at http://www.cauce.org/  It is there as an experiment to see if email spammers scan content — Pete Hickey               |                         |       VEIWIT University of Ottawa      |                         |      mirrors for Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 562-5800×1008    |       dyslexics.

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

Temperature, for me, has been more of a curiosity than something I need to know.  On a cold winter morning, I like to say, "Golleee, it’s down to 10 degrees out here." I have had two nice liquid-filled thermometers that came in a plastic case. I broke both of them.  Dropped one, and one broke in the pack.  Right now I have a little liquid filled one about an inch long that is sort of a zipper pull, and I put it on one of my pack zippers.  No problem yet. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Visit  http://members.aol.com/MarvWelte/index.html for backpacking info.

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili). You can get a reasonably good metal-cased conventional "stream" thermometer at almost any fly-fishing outfitter for less cost. — Jim Fuller

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The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili).

Just one thing about those "wristwatch thermometers."  I have owned several, and while they may be pretty accurate, they will NOT give you an accurate indication of surrounding temperature until some time (manufacturer’s recommendations vary, but they seem to require at least 20 min.) after they are removed from your body (wrist).                   The pen is mighter than the devil’s playground              

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We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds. — Guy Menge http://www.grandshelters.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

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We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds.

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I would like the groups opinion on a magnetic fly holder for your vest. It would consist of a plastic mold shaped like a fly reel or a trout head. It would not be too large. I would mount a rare earth magnet from behind in the center. The plastic would have nice detail. The magnet would not be so large or weigh a ton, but will hold a bunch of flies without falling off. Retail for $5.99 – Any thoughts? — Rick Maston RM Specialties http://www.canoeoutriggers.com

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Hey that’s a great idea. The one I bought a Orvis a few years ago works great. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like the groups opinion on a magnetic fly holder for your vest. It would consist of a plastic mold shaped like a fly reel or a trout head. It would not be too large. I would mount a rare earth magnet from behind in the center. The plastic would have nice detail. The magnet would not be so large or weigh a ton, but will hold a bunch of flies without falling off. Retail for $5.99 – Any thoughts? — Rick Maston RM Specialties http://www.canoeoutriggers.com

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Missed the original post. Have wondered whether magnetized hooks (as a result of using a "tach-it" type fly box) might have a weak field that fishies might not like.

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I would like the groups opinion on a magnetic fly holder for your vest.  - Any thoughts?

I use magnets to hold hooks and various other thing at my tying bench but would never use them on the stream.  It’s hard enough to navigate through brush or even to make routine casts without losing flies (even with barbed hooks) from a normal drying patch.  I can’t imagine a magnet strong enough to keep flies from evaporating from one’s vest.

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I use magnets to hold hooks and various other thing at my tying bench but would never use them on the stream.  It’s hard enough to navigate through brush or even to make routine casts without losing flies (even with barbed hooks) from a normal drying patch.  I can’t imagine a magnet strong enough to keep flies from evaporating from one’s vest.

I have this problem with barbless hooks (where I’m required to use them). A while back, Mike Connor suggested a perforated (i.e., ventilated) 35mm film capsule for temporary storage of ‘used’ flies. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. 1. Shipping or carrying flies so they don’t get crushed. 2. Holding powdered desiccant for drying flies. 3. Holding small quantities of Albolene to use for waterproofing your fly. 4. Keeping an insect for later study. 5. Keeping split shot. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have this problem with barbless hooks (where I’m required to use them). A while back, Mike Connor suggested a perforated (i.e., ventilated) 35mm film capsule for temporary storage of ‘used’ flies. Tony Deacon

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Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. 1. Shipping or carrying flies so they don’t get crushed. 2. Holding powdered desiccant for drying flies. 3. Holding small quantities of Albolene to use for waterproofing your fly. 4. Keeping an insect for later study. 5. Keeping split shot.

And the rest! Been using them for all sorts of things for years, but Mike’s suggestion was new to me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Try using the clear ones as dubbing containers. A 1/2" hole ( to taste, and to suit dubbing ) drilled in the base, fill the capsule, cap it, stand it on its cap in a suitable tray.  Great for all sorts of dubbing materials. With a smaller hole, wool,  floss, chenille, etc, may also be stored very well. Poke one end of the stuff through the hole, fill the container with the remainder, cap it, and place it in your tray. I prefer the black ones as "drying boxes", they heat up almost as well as UPS trucks it seems !  A small hole drilled in the side makes them excellent wire dispensers as well, saves horrible great tangles of fine brass wire on the bench !  If you use a few sewing spools for fine tippet material, you can get four or five of these in a container, drill small holes at the relevant spots, bingo, a super tippet dispenser, pack a little cotton wool in the container to keep the spools from jiggling about.  If you need a bigger one for larger spools, a short length of plastic drainpipe from your local DIY market works even better. You can buy the caps there as well. TL MC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. 1. Shipping or carrying flies so they don’t get crushed. 2. Holding powdered desiccant for drying flies. 3. Holding small quantities of Albolene to use for waterproofing your fly. 4. Keeping an insect for later study. 5. Keeping split shot. And the rest! Been using them for all sorts of things for years, but Mike’s suggestion was new to me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

You’d better save up those film capsules while you can. In a few years everything will be digital and you’ll have a hard time even finding 35mm film. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing.

I’ve noticed that persons of a certain era and background tend to instinctively shake those containers when they pick them up. Joe F.

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Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. I’ve noticed that persons of a certain era and background tend to instinctively shake those containers when they pick them up.

What is the era and background?  What does that mean? Vern

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Joe,    I think this was a carry over from the days when they were made of metal, black or red plastic and you couldn’t tell if there was anything in them unless you opened them or shook them.  The younger generation that have only seen the ones made of translucent plastic probably won’t have that affliction. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. I’ve noticed that persons of a certain era and background tend to instinctively shake those containers when they pick them up. Joe F.

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Tony, 35mm film capsules have many uses in fly fishing. I’ve noticed that persons of a certain era and background tend to instinctively shake those containers when they pick them up.

Don’t Bogart that film my friend, pass it over to me!

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What is the era and background?  What does that mean?

I’ve always said that a straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer, so: From my perspective, I was referring to the late ’60’s and early ’70’s when small quantities of certain illegal substances, primarily marijuana, was stored in these convenient little containers.   The freshness, portability, and cheapness of the container being matched by its commonality and opacity. Accordingly, it was very much a favorite among those inclined to partake of that substance. The container’s opacity, while providing some security against the inquisitive eyes of mom, dad or "the man", also prevented its owner from knowing whether the container in quetion was full, empty, or contained film. Thus, it was necessary to shake the container upon lifting to listen for that telltale herbal sound. As for me of course, I never touched the stuff.   I don’t even know what it looks like.   Honest.   What was the question again? Joe F.

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… From my perspective, I was referring to the late ’60’s and early ’70’s …

From a somewhat younger perspective, I know peers from the mid ’70’s that also automatically do the "canister shake test". — Ken Fortenberry- Never touched the stuff either

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the era and background?  What does that mean? I’ve always said that a straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer, so: From my perspective, I was referring to the late ’60’s and early ’70’s when small quantities of certain illegal substances, primarily marijuana, was stored in these convenient little containers.   The freshness, portability, and cheapness of the container being matched by its commonality and opacity. Accordingly, it was very much a favorite among those inclined to partake of that substance. The container’s opacity, while providing some security against the inquisitive eyes of mom, dad or "the man", also prevented its owner from knowing whether the container in quetion was full, empty, or contained film. Thus, it was necessary to shake the container upon lifting to listen for that telltale herbal sound. As for me of course, I never touched the stuff.   I don’t even know what it looks like.   Honest.   What was the question again? Joe F.

 And of course Joe, those of us that, from time to time, had such containers in our possesion, never, at any time, inhaled!!  No- not ever!!- unless faced with those occasional medical emergencies. Jim Mc

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Now *that’s* a funny .sig!! –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From a somewhat younger perspective, I know peers from the mid ’70’s that also automatically do the "canister shake test". — Ken Fortenberry- Never touched the stuff either

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Joe,   I think this was a carry over from the days when they were made of metal, black or red plastic and you couldn’t tell if there was anything in them unless you opened them or shook them.  The younger generation that have only seen the ones made of translucent plastic probably won’t have that affliction.

Today’s are translucent?  The ones I use are made of black plastic. I’ll admit I’ve never seen one made of red plastic though.      - Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I  drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin  current slides away, but eternity remains."    - H.D. Thoreau

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Today’s are translucent?

Yes, Fuji film comes in a translucent container.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the era and background?  What does that mean? I’ve always said that a straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer, so: From my perspective, I was referring to the late ’60’s and early ’70’s when small quantities of certain illegal substances, primarily marijuana, was stored in these convenient little containers.   The freshness, portability, and cheapness of the container being matched by its commonality and opacity. Accordingly, it was very much a favorite among those inclined to partake of that substance. The container’s opacity, while providing some security against the inquisitive eyes of mom, dad or "the man", also prevented its owner from knowing whether the container in quetion was full, empty, or contained film. Thus, it was necessary to shake the container upon lifting to listen for that telltale herbal sound. As for me of course, I never touched the stuff.   I don’t even know what it looks like.   Honest.   What was the question again? Joe F.

I have a story about that. Many years ago, in my hippie days, a friend and I were visiting Glacier Park and we decided to drive up to the Canadian park. When we reached the Canadian border we were appalled when the border guard asked us to open the glove compartment. Our stash wasn’t in there, but it easily could have been. Shaken by this experience, we decided not to carry any controlled substances back to the US. We rolled an enormous doobie and tossed the rest out. (This was when decent stuff was relatively cheap.) We rolled up to the US border station with smoke literally billowing out of the car windows. The border guard sized us up and decided to inspect the entire contents of our car. Dazed and confused, we unloaded about a ton of camping junk from the trunk, in front of a Boy Scout troop that was probably working on their law enforcement merit badges. He went through every pocket of each pack, and even looked under the spare tire. After finding nothing incriminating in the trunk, the immigration dude started inspecting the passenger compartment. He went right for the area under the driver’s seat, pulled out a paper bag full of plastic 35mm film canisters, and asked sarcastically, "Take a lot of pictures, do you boys?" "Yes, sir!", we smirked. He opened the canisters and found … exposed film. I kept it there to keep it out of the sun. He sent us on our way. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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< Never touched the stuff either Yeah, yeah …..and even if you did, you didn’t inhale. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Don’t Bogart that film my friend, pass it over to me!

Roooooolllll another one, just like the other one. TL, TD

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Never touched the stuff either Yeah, yeah …..and even if you did, you didn’t inhale.

And even if he did inhale, he didn’t *really* enjoy it.

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Today’s are translucent? Yes, Fuji film comes in a translucent container.

That explains it, I buy Kodak.      - Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I  drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin  current slides away, but eternity remains."    - H.D. Thoreau

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Sounds like you’re a shoo-in if you ever decide to run for public office. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a story about that. [story about an enormous doobie deleted]

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Bob, Great stuff, loved the mental picture of you thanking the fish! David

(rest of great tale snipped) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I paused just long enough to thank the fish for contributing to my initiation into this odd fellowship, and sent it back to foraging.

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Hi Bob – Great report! Brings to me memories of my first trout in Montana almost thirty years ago from the same area. It was caught on a spinning rig, but that in no way reduced the thrill for me. The trout jumped and put up a good fight, and though it was only a small fish, what a gas it was. Thanks for the report and rekindling those precious moments, and here’s to many more of the same for you -Charlie Miller

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A week and a half ago, I had a business trip that took me to Billings, MT for about a week.  Not wanting to squander an opportunity, I packed snip Bob Card

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Bob, Great story.  The neat thing about fly fishing is not necessarily catching the fish.  It’s the experience being outdoors and just living the moment. Catching a fish is always a rush though no matter what big or little (although there’s a little more adrenlin with a larger fish). Also, trust your own instincts on picking out flies. I fished Henry’s Fork in Idaho last summer and must of bought $50 worth of flies that were recommended to me and overall didn’t have much success. I picked out a renegade fly on my own and that one worked!  I couldn’t match the hatch but I could match the catch! Regards, Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A week and a half ago, I had a business trip that took me to Billings, MT for about a week.  Not wanting to squander an opportunity, I packed the most basic of my fly-flinging gear, and set out with high hopes, trying to keep in mind all that I’ve gleaned from your exchanges in the past several months. With a couple days of "free" time, I did a little advance scouting, visited the local fly guy, and developed a plan.  I left early Sunday morning, driving through Red Lodge, and out to the spots on the West Fork (Rock Creek) that were suggested to me as starting places.  Brief version: lots of walking, lots of casting, a few that actually looked and felt right, and a wonderful morning of enjoying sun, trees, water, and recharging.  after a few hours of "casting practice", floating elk hair caddis and parachute adams into and through "fishy" spots, I finally felt a tug when a small trout grabbed the fly downstream just before I was to cast it.  Before I could do anything about it, he (or she) declined the fight, and disengaged from the hook, on which I had pinched the barb. I drove downstream a bit, fished several other spots, and then moved northwestward, back toward I-90.  Stopping along the way, I cast in a few places on the Stillwater, with no bites (that I noticed).  With darkness closing, I headed back to Billings for some dinner and rest before another day of work. Monday afternoon, I charged westward again, to Columbus and a small fly shop not far from the freeway.  The animated woman deftly tying small adams with pink indicators quickly steered me away from the hoppers I was eyeing, and recommended some blonde humpies, and a couple of larger patterns with bright yellow hues.  She also gave me a good idea for a place to walk in and find some spots that I would surely have to myself. Taking her advice, I collected the flies, and headed out to the access point, which I had actually found and tried the day before (with no success, of course).  Wading upstream, I cast to every spot that looked fishy, and many that did not, using first the small caddis with yellow underside and then the larger blonde humpy.  Finally, I watched in amazement as the fly disappeared in a swirl.  Somehow maintaining sanity, I waited the merest of moments before lightly tugging the rod and feeling the charge of energy from the other end of the line.  The fight (if you can call it that) was brief, the fish was small and unremarkable, except for the remarkable fact that it was the first fish I had convinced to scarf up a fly and stay connected long enough to come face to face with me.  I paused just long enough to thank the fish for contributing to my initiation into this odd fellowship, and sent it back to foraging.  Further casting resulted only in more practice so, again with darkness closing, I walked back to the car and headed back to the city.  I sat with my jeans still soaked to the knees and ate in the Mackenzie River Pizza Company in Billings, rewarding myself with a slice of raspberry cheesecake. From some perspectives, not a spectacular tale of fishing.  However, for a new initiate, a most memorable outing indeed.  Some things I learned: 1. With free advice, you get what you pay for.  Purchasing some flies, floatant, leaders, or other minor necessities, a rapport can often be established with the local pusher which may result in a more successful effort. 2. A topographical map, such as the state atlas/gazeteer published by Delorme can be very helpful indeed. 3. (learned before, but frequently forgotten) sometimes not catching fish is a good day fishing. Thanks, all for the continued comments, debate, humor, etc. that make this place such a good place in which to hang. Bob Card

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<excellent trip report snipped Congratulations Bob and thanks for the great story.  One little bit of advice though…..next time throw in a line or two about your own impeccable taste in intoxicating beverages and a few disparaging comments on the so-called taste of your brethren.  This always jazzes up a story nicely!

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Nice post Bob, Keep it up and soon you won’t be able to count em : ) I personally just lie to myself either way. Tim Apple

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A week and a half ago, I had a business trip that took me to Billings, MT for about a week.  Not wanting to squander an opportunity, I packed the most basic of my fly-flinging gear, and set out with high hopes, trying to keep in mind all that I’ve gleaned from your exchanges in the past several months. With a couple days of "free" time, I did a little advance scouting, visited the local fly guy, and developed a plan.  I left early Sunday morning, driving through Red Lodge, and out to the spots on the West Fork (Rock Creek) that were suggested to me as starting places.  Brief version: lots of walking, lots of casting, a few that actually looked and felt right, and a wonderful morning of enjoying sun, trees, water, and recharging.  after a few hours of "casting practice", floating elk hair caddis and parachute adams into and through "fishy" spots, I finally felt a tug when a small trout grabbed the fly downstream just before I was to cast it.  Before I could do anything about it, he (or she) declined the fight, and disengaged from the hook, on which I had pinched the barb. I drove downstream a bit, fished several other spots, and then moved northwestward, back toward I-90.  Stopping along the way, I cast in a few places on the Stillwater, with no bites (that I noticed).  With darkness closing, I headed back to Billings for some dinner and rest before another day of work. Monday afternoon, I charged westward again, to Columbus and a small fly shop not far from the freeway.  The animated woman deftly tying small adams with pink indicators quickly steered me away from the hoppers I was eyeing, and recommended some blonde humpies, and a couple of larger patterns with bright yellow hues.  She also gave me a good idea for a place to walk in and find some spots that I would surely have to myself. Taking her advice, I collected the flies, and headed out to the access point, which I had actually found and tried the day before (with no success, of course).  Wading upstream, I cast to every spot that looked fishy, and many that did not, using first the small caddis with yellow underside and then the larger blonde humpy.  Finally, I watched in amazement as the fly disappeared in a swirl.  Somehow maintaining sanity, I waited the merest of moments before lightly tugging the rod and feeling the charge of energy from the other end of the line.  The fight (if you can call it that) was brief, the fish was small and unremarkable, except for the remarkable fact that it was the first fish I had convinced to scarf up a fly and stay connected long enough to come face to face with me.  I paused just long enough to thank the fish for contributing to my initiation into this odd fellowship, and sent it back to foraging.  Further casting resulted only in more practice so, again with darkness closing, I walked back to the car and headed back to the city.  I sat with my jeans still soaked to the knees and ate in the Mackenzie River Pizza Company in Billings, rewarding myself with a slice of raspberry cheesecake. From some perspectives, not a spectacular tale of fishing.  However, for

a new initiate, a most memorable outing indeed.  Some things I learned: 1. With free advice, you get what you pay for.  Purchasing some flies, floatant, leaders, or other minor necessities, a rapport can often be established with the local pusher which may result in a more successful effort. 2. A topographical map, such as the state atlas/gazeteer published by Delorme can be very helpful indeed. 3. (learned before, but frequently forgotten) sometimes not catching fish is a good day fishing. Thanks, all for the continued comments, debate, humor, etc. that make this place such a good place in which to hang. Bob Card

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Good post, Bob, and quite full of wisdom. Congrats! /daytripper

[good story shortened] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -From some perspectives, not a spectacular tale of fishing.  However, for a new initiate, a most memorable outing indeed.  Some things I learned: 1. With free advice, you get what you pay for.  Purchasing some flies, floatant, leaders, or other minor necessities, a rapport can often be established with the local pusher which may result in a more successful effort. 2. A topographical map, such as the state atlas/gazeteer published by Delorme can be very helpful indeed. 3. (learned before, but frequently forgotten) sometimes not catching fish is a good day fishing. Thanks, all for the continued comments, debate, humor, etc. that make this place such a good place in which to hang.

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A week and a half ago, I had a business trip that took me to Billings, MT for about a week.  Not wanting to squander an opportunity, I packed the most basic of my fly-flinging gear, and set out with high hopes, trying to keep in mind all that I’ve gleaned from your exchanges in the past several months.

<snip Thanks, all for the continued comments, debate, humor, etc. that make this place such a good place in which to hang.

Bob: That was a great post.  You’ve got the routine down pat, now.  You just need more opportunity. If your work ever brings you to Utah, give a shout.  I know a stream or two where you might be able to get your *third* trout Bob Before you buy.

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Allright Bob Card. You are now a confirmed odd feller, and by the authority usurped by me I now and forever more delare you one more friend of the angle, a fly fisher well met, set, sealed and approved. It just gets better and better. Congratulations. Seriously. Dave Someone had to do it, what with half the official greeting committee probably self medicated this late in the day.

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Great story and some important lessons learned. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A week and a half ago, I had a business trip that took me to Billings, MT for about a week.  Not wanting to squander an opportunity, I packed the most basic of my fly-flinging gear, and set out with high hopes, trying to keep in mind all that I’ve gleaned from your exchanges in the past several months. With a couple days of "free" time, I did a little advance scouting, visited the local fly guy, and developed a plan.  I left early Sunday morning, driving through Red Lodge, and out to the spots on the West Fork (Rock Creek) that were suggested to me as starting places.  Brief version: lots of walking, lots of casting, a few that actually looked and felt right, and a wonderful morning of enjoying sun, trees, water, and recharging.  after a few hours of "casting practice", floating elk hair caddis and parachute adams into and through "fishy" spots, I finally felt a tug when a small trout grabbed the fly downstream just before I was to cast it.  Before I could do anything about it, he (or she) declined the fight, and disengaged from the hook, on which I had pinched the barb. I drove downstream a bit, fished several other spots, and then moved northwestward, back toward I-90.  Stopping along the way, I cast in a few places on the Stillwater, with no bites (that I noticed).  With darkness closing, I headed back to Billings for some dinner and rest before another day of work. Monday afternoon, I charged westward again, to Columbus and a small fly shop not far from the freeway.  The animated woman deftly tying small adams with pink indicators quickly steered me away from the hoppers I was eyeing, and recommended some blonde humpies, and a couple of larger patterns with bright yellow hues.  She also gave me a good idea for a place to walk in and find some spots that I would surely have to myself. Taking her advice, I collected the flies, and headed out to the access point, which I had actually found and tried the day before (with no success, of course).  Wading upstream, I cast to every spot that looked fishy, and many that did not, using first the small caddis with yellow underside and then the larger blonde humpy.  Finally, I watched in amazement as the fly disappeared in a swirl.  Somehow maintaining sanity, I waited the merest of moments before lightly tugging the rod and feeling the charge of energy from the other end of the line.  The fight (if you can call it that) was brief, the fish was small and unremarkable, except for the remarkable fact that it was the first fish I had convinced to scarf up a fly and stay connected long enough to come face to face with me.  I paused just long enough to thank the fish for contributing to my initiation into this odd fellowship, and sent it back to foraging.  Further casting resulted only in more practice so, again with darkness closing, I walked back to the car and headed back to the city.  I sat with my jeans still soaked to the knees and ate in the Mackenzie River Pizza Company in Billings, rewarding myself with a slice of raspberry cheesecake. From some perspectives, not a spectacular tale of fishing.  However, for a new initiate, a most memorable outing indeed.  Some things I learned: 1. With free advice, you get what you pay for.  Purchasing some flies, floatant, leaders, or other minor necessities, a rapport can often be established with the local pusher which may result in a more successful effort. 2. A topographical map, such as the state atlas/gazeteer published by Delorme can be very helpful indeed. 3. (learned before, but frequently forgotten) sometimes not catching fish is a good day fishing. Thanks, all for the continued comments, debate, humor, etc. that make this place such a good place in which to hang. Bob Card

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<Snip  You may want to underline it by one size.  In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry

I would concur with this idea.  In fact, I did just that on my South Bend mod. 59.   The rod’s rated for a 6 weight, but I use a DT5 on it and it casts great.   The rod has a stout "bass action", but I can cast dry flies with noticeably greater speed, pinpoint accuracy, and the delicacy of a two weight.   IOW:  Try it! Good luck… Homey

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<snip Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made.  He started there in 1926.  The Model Number 47 describes the rods action.  In this case, a stiff or Bass Action.   100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action.

<snip again Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359

Hi Al, If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this scheme? Just wondering… Homey

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If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this

scheme? Just wondering…<BR Hi Homey South Bend made most if not all of thier rods in thee actions. Bass Action model numbers with   *xx* Wet fly or Trout  modle numbers with   *1xx* Dry Fly Action modle numbers with *3xx* This is for the three piece rods. The rods all had the same hardware and wraps, only the taper was different. So a modle 59 would be a fast action rod, a 159 would be a slow or wet fly action rod, and a 359 would be a dry fly action rod – medium to fast. The modle 59’s were made, depending again on the handle and sticker sometime after 1936 and originaly sold for $5.00 to $9.35. If the rod has a grip that has distinct lines in it, and a thumb rest, called by South Bend a Comficient Grip ( comfortable and efficient ) it was made after 1939, which is when South Bend first started using these grips.  The reel seet will also give a clue as to the rods age. You can pick these rods up pretty cheep, around $125 to $150 and they are ok casting tools and good old everyday rods.  I have an 8 1/2 ft  359 that I have completely redone with modern hardware.  It is a fun nymphing rod.  Although it is a bit heavy.  There isn’t much collector interest in Sout Bend rods it seams becasue they were mass produced, made on milling machines and the sections came from different culms of bamboo.   But so were many other companies rods.  Some big names too that just might shock some people.  It is interesting to read in Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker, his attention to detail and quality when he was at South Bend.  My personal opinion is that these rods are somewhat undervalued and one day just might get some recognition.  This is in part becasue Wes Jordan always worked for a company, and never produced rods under his own name, so the lack of recognition follows..  For right now, if you want to have some fun fishing cane for a not a lot of money, a South Bend rod just might be the ticket.  You can fish them as is, or, if they are in need of some work, replace the hardware with modern stuff and have a decent cane rod.  The ferrules are the keys, make sure you have a good fit and that they are tight to the cane.  My 359 throws a DT 5 very nicely, mends well, and if I fall down and brake it, well, it’s not a Leonard or a Payne.   Mike Sinclairs book, Bamboo Rod Restoration has a chaper in it in South Bend rods, and has some good advice for those wishing to refinish or even resore an old rod.  For $25.00 it is not a bad refference to have around. Well, see, you asked a simple question and got me started )  Hope this helps. Al

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Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ratings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section. I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda

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(snip) I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda

Which model of rod is this?  I believe South Bend made several models/price ranges/quality etc.  Also…if memory serves me correctly, the line size that you mentioned is about an eight weight.  The HCH signified a double taper line and the GBF a weight forward.  This was back when they marked line by diameter….and not just weight.  Today’s lines are categorized by weight….as you know.  By the way, my first fly rod was a South Bend rod that my dad gave to me.  I wish I still had it. One other comment on line sizes for old bamboo rods….  Back in the "good old days", we accepted a slower action than is now standard in most rods. Consequently, you may find that the recommended line size is too heavy for your casting style on the South Bend rod.  You may want to underline it by one size.  In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry

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Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine

feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ra0tings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section.<BR I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in

particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. Peter, Your rod was made sometime after 1936.  If you could describe the grip and the decal,  I could date it much more acurately for you.  It it has the Comficient Grip, with a gold decal, it was probably made after1939.  If the decal on the grip is a yellow rectangle, the rod was made sometime after WWII. Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made.  He started there in 1926.  The Model Number 47 describes the rods action.  In this case, a stiff or Bass Action.   100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action.  The HCH refers to a modern DT 7 and GBF is the equivilent of a modern WF8.  The rod sold for around $10.00 to $15.00 depending on when it was made.   A good refference for South Bend Rods is Michael Sinclair’s Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook and Dick Spur’s and Gloria Jordan’s Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker.  Gloria Jordan still lives in Manchester Vt and runs a fly shop there. Hope this bit of info helps. Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359

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Not exactly that crude of an explaination Burt.  What Jim and do is start at the tail of a shoot and throw rocks in.  Big rocks so the ‘clunk’ on the bottom.  This drives the steelhead, like cattle to the top or tongue of the shoot or run where we then start nymphing for them again.  It’s a very workable and successful way to gather your fish that are strung out. George

George, Maybe better, you could just drag a big net across the pool and on upstream and keep the fish at your feet…..that way you wouldn’t have to stop fishing every once in awhile and go throw some more rocks.  Damn, all these years I have spent time moving down a pool to meet the fish…maybe I’ll bring my deck chair next time and TimW also; sounds like his type of fishing. Fred Rickson

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I am going to change the treat a little. Nymphing with a floating line is almost something I can understand and do. But I get into trouble when nymphing (or streamerfishing) with a sink tip line (except the stripping retrieve in lakes, OK). How do you fish you sink tip line and how do you detect strike. Any input would be welcome. Where are the salmon/steelhead ffer and speyfisher, any comments there?? TIA     Thomas

Hi Thomas, I agree with most of the folks who say it is much tougher to nymph with a sinking or sink-tip line than a floating line.   The reason it is so tough is that if you get a dead drift with a sinking or sink-tip line you won’t feel anything and the trout has to really move the fly a lot for the sinking part of the line to move enough for you to see it at the surface.  If you keep a tight line so you can feel the strike, you don’t get a dead drift and don’t get nearly as many strikes.  In fast water, the current is more likely to force the fly into the corner of the fish’s mouth and hook him long enough to move the line.  In slower water he is long gone before you’d get any indication of a take. One way of nymphing with a sinking or sink-tip line is to cast up and slightly across stream, allow the fly and line to sink  to the bottom, and then raise the rod just enough to straighten out the line and lead it downstream just *slightly faster* than the current.  Properly done this doesn’t give you a drag free drift, but it comes close and still allows you to feel the strike.  Some of the best areas to do this are in fast water as mentioned above, and also where a riffle drops into a plunge pool.  This is known as just barely "keeping in touch" with your fly.  You can also use this tactic in close using a floating line and a long leader.                         Hope this helps,                                 Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reminds me of something:  I saw a ff’ing tv show back in ‘93 or so that featured Jim Teeny as guest and guide for the hour.  He took the Jim Teeny and his wife have a very good reputation in the fly fishing industry. I have not met them, but have heard good things about them. Some anglers might not like to fish their techneques. Yeah, speaking of his techniques, I was watching a vid of him fishing for stellhead, don’t remember where – North Umpqua maybe.  He could get the fish to take his fly, so he says here is a tactic I use to get the fish moving. He picks up a big rock and throws it right in the middle of the pod of fish. He did catch one a little later.  I have always felt a little uncomfortable with that. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

Not exactly that crude of an explaination Burt.  What Jim and do is start at the tail of a shoot and throw rocks in.  Big rocks so the ‘clunk’ on the bottom.  This drives the steelhead, like cattle to the top or tongue of the shoot or run where we then start nymphing for them again.  It’s a very workable and successful way to gather your fish that are strung out. George

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I’ve seen some derogatory things posted here about Jim Teeny that are not at all characteristic of the man. I met Jim Teeny at a steelhead seminar weekend put on by Stewart’s Custom Tackle in Wood Village, OR (just east of Portland) in the mid 70’s.  He was very helpful to a new FF devotee (me) getting started steelhead fishing.  Full of info and willing to share it – uncommon in that area at the time.   The first steelhead that I had on long enough to see  jump, was on the Salmon River outside of Welches, OR which is the Salmon River in question.  It is illegal to fish for Salmon there as they were trying to rebuild the run even back in the  70’s and the stream had a great steelhead run.  Nonetheless every once in a while someone would hook a salmon.  The law requires that they be released unharmed.  I’ve seen Jim on that river a number of times and he was always sight fishing for steelhead.  He is a very effective sight fisher and rarely hooks anything he doesn’t intend to.  This is a fairly small stream and is usually pretty clear. Very hard for me to believe he would be fishing for salmon illegally.   The Salmon is a tributary of the Sandy River and the salmon that make it up there are usually dark and don’t fight for crap.  I hooked a couple there while fishing for steelhead on the swing back then.  The first one I tried to pull in and he just dogged it on the bottom bending my 8 wt. like a noodle.  Learned my lesson quickly, pointed the rod at the fish and pulled to break him off.  Broke of the second one immediately. Not my idea of a good time, especially when there are fish in the river that will jump 4-5 ft. into the air and tear off 120 yards of backing like there was nothing to it.  Most of the fish I caught there I spotted first.  Not something Jim would purposely go after. Yes, this is one of the rivers on Jim’s SA video Catching More Steelhead.  In my experience Jim has always exhibited sportsmanship and ettiquette on the stream.  Even during the rock throwing incident on the video to stir lathargic fish up (known as stoning the pool in the UK I believe) he cautions to be sure to check with any anglers in the area before doing so, so it doesn’t ruin their fishing.  He also says it is a last resort when the fish is in a lie that is impossible to cover. In the mid 70’s, Jim lived outside of Gresham on the banks of the Sandy River and that is the river he calls home. Since I lived in Troutdale at the time, I fished it a lot too, though no where near as effectively.  The Sandy gets a good run of big steelhead in the winter. They are very hard to catch on a fly because the water is deep, fast, and very cold.  If you don’t put it in front of the steelhead’s face, he won’t take it.  Jim had a reputation for catching more fish there than anyone on the river.  On the number of occasions that I ran into him back then, he was always enthusiastic, helpful, and polite. I’m not sure he would remember me, but he helped me get started fly fishing for steelhead and I can’t be quiet when his reputation is sullied.  On the occassions I have seen him since, mostly at trade shows, he has always remained exuberant and cordial.                                         Grateful for his help,                                                       Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Structured Network Systems, Inc.    Perhaps as a friend you might want to consider giving your friend some    well intentioned advise.  When filming a fishing show try to not fish    for the spawners.  Too many times I’ve seen shows with Jim catching very    dark Salmon or Steelhead that look close to spawning.  As a    professional, catching spawners just doesn’t impress.    Robert Especially if the fishing method involves the skilled placement of a hook in a stationary, inactive, fishes mouth.  There is a difference between hooking a fish and having it strike. -tgades

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So to me, Jim Teeny is a classic fly fisherman and gentleman.  One that I admire and will always admire . . . no matter where I am. Mr. Gink Perhaps as a friend you might want to consider giving your friend some well intentioned advise.  When filming a fishing show try to not fish for the spawners.  Too many times I’ve seen shows with Jim catching very dark Salmon or Steelhead that look close to spawning.  As a professional, catching spawners just doesn’t impress. Robert

You are right.  I’ll do that next time I talk to Jim. Mr. Gink

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So to me, Jim Teeny is a classic fly fisherman and gentleman.  One that I admire and will always admire . . . no matter where I am. Mr. Gink

Perhaps as a friend you might want to consider giving your friend some well intentioned advise.  When filming a fishing show try to not fish for the spawners.  Too many times I’ve seen shows with Jim catching very dark Salmon or Steelhead that look close to spawning.  As a professional, catching spawners just doesn’t impress. Robert

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I will be making a business stop in Kalispell, MT on May 9. I know of several of the famous streams in the area but would like to know what has good access and will be fishable this time of year? I will only have one day or less to fish. Any info is appreciated. Thanks. Post or e-mail

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Try the shop below, they have a good flyfishing department: Sport and Ski Haus  (406) 755-6484 40 E IDAHO KALISPELL MT 59901                    "One Fish is Worth a Thousand Lies"                             http://Flyfish.Com

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For those on  a limited budget, one approach is to buy a top grizzly neck and then buy some waterproof artist pens and color individual hackles as needed. Keeps down your early investment costs. Hope this helps. Dick Hubbard

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Being new to tying,I need some good advise as to which colors and types of hackle to invest in for dries, nymphs, and wets.

Hi, The four most popular colors in our area (CA) are as follows: 1. Brown 2. Grizzly 3. Dun 4. Creme Much has been said in favor of the beautiful genetic saddle hackles we have available today. I must agree they are wonderful to tie with. They do have one disadvantage though – there is a limited range of sizes present on any one saddle. For versatility, a good quality cape still has the edge.  I hope this helps.   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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(Richard Hubbard) writes: For those on  a limited budget, one approach is to buy a top grizzly neck and then buy some waterproof artist pens and color individual hackles as needed.

Been there, done that, Pantone markers work real well.  Lay them on a piece of paper towel to help with absorbancy and protect your table.                                               Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Great idea Dan! I’ve done this to my hopper and caddis patterns to get some contrast.   Never thought about "pantoning" hackles" especially when you’re on the road.  It’s alot easier to carry some markers than our valuable hackles. Thanks! +Mike V.

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We are planning a warm weather bonefishing vacation for mid February.  My son and I want to try flyfishing for this great saltwater fish for the first time in a location that will provide good, relaxing beach time for my wife. I  know nothing about the possible seasonable impact on the quality of the fishing.  I am looking for help on where we should plan to go in February (Florida Keys, Bahamas, Carribean, Mexico?).  Please advise.

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You could try any of those locales,but at that time of year, the farther south you go the better your chances for good weather. I’d put my money on Belize, and again the farther south the better. Look into going to Placentia. Even if you have bad weather, you can always go up into the monkey river to fish and there are lots of diversions for non fishing people. The Bones are small but plentiful,and there are Tarpon and you can expect to see LOTS of Permit. If the weather is VERY good you can go out to the reef and catch just about anything. Phil

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

Reed  It has been my experience that it will rain, hatches will be small if at all.and HUGE browns will eat sculpins till Midnight !! It may be late for most bugs,maybe a few Fall Caddis, Baetis etc .I think the season close’s the 15th so check.   Harry

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Ah, the McCloud River.  The season closes 11/15.  Stonefly nymphs, orange stimulators for the Oct Caddis, adams 14, glo bugs, orange soft hackles, bead head caddis olive and orange will all work well.  There hasn’t been much of the famed Oct Caddis hatch so far because it hasn’t really gotten cold yet.  Early Nov could be perfect.  Of course there is a computer game called Fly Fishing the McCloud River that I saw in Orvis SF that would probably tell you exactly what will be going on in November Big Rock

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