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  Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black.

Gary Loomis is gone.  The company is Japanese owned and operated now. Personally, I favor Lamiglas Fly Rods and have for over 30 years.  Of course Gary learned the business from Steve Posey before going on his own.  A little known fact of fly fishing history of Woodland Washington. George

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A few people with the Loomis Adventure fly reel have stated that they would like to see it in black.  I took the bull by the horns and asked Loomis about it directly.  With their permission, here is my question and their response: I have and Adventure reel and find it is the perfect reel for my 4wt Loomis.  Question is, when are you going to make the reel in black.  I like the matte finish of the rods and would like the reel to match. Frank Reid Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black. However, this reel is more expensive. Thanks for using G. Loomis products. Tight lines, Fran Hansen G. Loomis, Inc. 1359 Down River Drive Woodland, Washington 98674 1-800-GLoomis (456-6647) 1-360-225-6516 Not a very good answer, but an answer all the same. Cheers        Frank Reid

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Wow.  A customer service reply straight out of Dilbert (…you do TOO prefer it our way!).  With various manufacturers bending over backwards to provide lifetime warranties and otherwise satisfy the customer, I guess that Loomis’ attitude surprises me.  Based upon posts in the ROFF/Google archives, I looked at this reel when assembling my first outfit, but didn’t like the color.  I guess that’s not going to change.  Thanks for the info. Cheers, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few people with the Loomis Adventure fly reel have stated that they would like to see it in black.  I took the bull by the horns and asked Loomis about it directly.  With their permission, here is my question and their response: Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again? ‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you! Tony Deacon

…and just WHERE is it you thought GINK came from???

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No – that  for foot and mouth Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

– Charles Reaves

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Is that allowed – I though chumming with mammalian products was a no-no Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia.

– Charles Reaves

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia.

Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again? — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again?

‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you! Tony Deacon

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‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you!

I love reading stuff like this.  Shows me that we haven’t lost touch with the larger sphere of angling activities.  I’ve run into some people who love to fly fish but they just don’t seem to be interested in fishing in general. Mu

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

You’re not insulting our good friends in Narlens, are you? Tim

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Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear……

‘Certified After Care Providers’ Is that really what you Americans call undertakers? Absolutely priceless! ROFLMFAO Tony Deacon

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Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear…… ‘Certified After Care Providers’ Is that really what you Americans call undertakers? Absolutely priceless! ROFLMFAO Tony Deacon

Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Tim Gerds wrote…  Visit our site and see a rod and reel rack made by a fisherman for fishermen  www.t-f-g.com

Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear…… — Warren (who loves spammers who are too stupid to even spam correctly) change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

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I will state right off the bat that I am biased by having Randall as a close and valued friend. Lake Fishing with a fly is an excellent book, in my opinion, as it peels away some of the layers of mystery many anglers have concerning "Stillwater". (Misnomer of a term, but anyway) Many anglers are intimidated by a seemingly large flat expanse of water in front of them and the idea of "reading’ water is often the biggest challenge.. simply just knowing where to start the biggest challenge. As a result most just sort of give up and flail away at the nearest section of lake shore awaiting a hungry fish. Lake Fishing with a fly provides invaluable information that breaks down lakes and explains them so we can understand them in a way akin to a stream or river. There is a wealth of information and closely followed the book will help any angler be more successful in catching trout in lakes. I highly recommend it. The Mike Stidham illustrations are outstanding too. Just my thoughts, others may disagree. I haven’t read Deke Meyers Book. Clark

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Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

Greetings Rob:   I’ve read Kaufmann’s _Lake Fishing with a Fly_, and I think it’s a pretty good read.  Good basic information, and written in a style I enjoy.  I also like Kaufmann’s fly tying books, FWIW. ‘Sorry, I’m not familiar with the other book.   Cheers, and happy reading.  -Mark

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I have read them both. They are both good books, but I think serve different niches. Just a point, "Lake Fishing With A Fly" was written by Ron Cordes and Randall Kaufmann. The Deke Meyer book has some good informaiton on alpine fishing. It covers a lot of species I never fish for, such as bass and bluegill (we don’t have ‘em up here), so it use is somewhat limited for me. Also, it has a pretty limited section on flies. It does have some good tips on useing float tubes. The Cordes and Kaufmann boolk has more information about trout. Very limited informaiton on float tubes, but good general infomation on fishing techniques. It has some color plates, a good discussion of trout food, etc. If trout is what you are after, this would be the better book. My personal preference for a stillwater fishing book is Morris and Chan on Fly Fishing Trout Lakes. Tjhis has very good information, the infomation is organized well, and the book has very nice color photos. It has very good inforamtion on water craft, and lots of nice fly patterns. This book has become my personal favorite for lake fishing. Tim Lysyk

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If you can find a copy in your area "The Ghillie" has become the bible of still water trouting in British Columbia. It has excellent sections on fishing all of the still water hatches. Al.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have read them both. They are both good books, but I think serve different niches. Just a point, "Lake Fishing With A Fly" was written by Ron Cordes and Randall Kaufmann. The Deke Meyer book has some good informaiton on alpine fishing. It covers a lot of species I never fish for, such as bass and bluegill (we don’t have ‘em up here), so it use is somewhat limited for me. Also, it has a pretty limited section on flies. It does have some good tips on useing float tubes. The Cordes and Kaufmann boolk has more information about trout. Very limited informaiton on float tubes, but good general infomation on fishing techniques. It has some color plates, a good discussion of trout food, etc. If trout is what you are after, this would be the better book. My personal preference for a stillwater fishing book is Morris and Chan on Fly Fishing Trout Lakes. Tjhis has very good information, the infomation is organized well, and the book has very nice color photos. It has very good inforamtion on water craft, and lots of nice fly patterns. This book has become my personal favorite for lake fishing. Tim Lysyk Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

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 Really?  My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…

____  I know.  Its an old wive’s-tale and was used long before Orvis started doing rods. The secret is SMOOTH and CLEAN.  The Four Star AAAA Steel wool is used to shine the ferrule clean.  It has minimum wear.  For as much as you or anyone else will do (by hand) isn’t worth worrying about.  However; even in a lathe spinning at high rpms, AAAA Steel Wool won’t wear unless you polish for a long time for the last micro-fitting of a set of ferrules.  This is used not to wear anything off as much as polishing to the final MICRO FINISH that is smooth for a tight fit without lubrication. What most don’t realize is a dirty ferrule with lube on it only COMPOUNDS the wear and most ferrules are worn quicker with lube and dirt mixed, or lube and salts mixed, etc.  Not unlike an oil-stone.  This is why Nickel Silver Ferrules should never be lubed but kept clean no matter how many years anyone has been fishing. Remember this, one can be wrong for a lifetime and still believe they are right. I’m reminded of the many fly fishermen who thought it was great to use carbontet to dissolve animal fats for dry fly fishing.   Of course, thousands of them died of heart failure because they (at that time) all thought it was the greatest thing to do without scientific studies. That said, just keep your ferrules clean.  You may use only FOUR AAAA super/extra fine steel wool without worrying about adding wear.  After that, clean your ferrules with alcohol once in a while including a Q-tip inside the female ferrule. I should add that at the BASE of each female ferrule should be a guide.  This guide, immediately next to the base of the ferrule is what will relieve the torque and/or casting pressures from that ferrule and fit.  Everyone that has a bamboo fly rod, if your ferrules don’t have a guide at the start/base of each ferrule, your fly rod is engineered incorrectly regarding the positioning of the guides. Once guides are torqued or begin to ‘rock’ it isn’t long when those ferrules should be replaced and/or the fly rod reguided, if possible due to taper design. These are just a few added notes I can offer to this thread for others to ponder. You can’t make a choice until you have TWO THINGS to choose from. Clean, is gooder. Mr. Gink

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Calling people names only makes you look ignorant.  If you can’t argue with logic and common sense and if you don’t know how to read, then don’t mess with experience.  It’s Mr.G. to you.  See if you can remember that. Lastly, there is no wear to worry about with a once in a year rub with AAAA steel wool.  Next time you’re in a hardware store, look at it.  This is a product ALL Bamboo Fly Rod Makers and Ferrule Makers use in manufacturing Bamboo Fly Rods. Just because the word "Steel" is in the term, "Steel Wool" doesn’t make it abusive to cleaning the scum off a male ferrule. I think everyone else knows how to decide what they want to do and how to do it. _ Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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George G. writes:

(snip) I think everyone else knows how to decide what they want to do and how to do it. _

Exactly, George!  Ron Kusse says use a clean soft cloth after every use.  Under no circumstances should you use anything abrasive — when you polish you remove a tiny portion of the surface material.  Eventually you will have two ferrules that do not fit.  Kusse has been building cane rods for more than 50 years.  I think I will go along with his opinion on this one. Dave LaCourse

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Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods.  Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart.  I did just this Today with my Orvis flea.  Ferrules pop loose with ease.  I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons.

____Because I’m watching you Guyz. Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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Ordinary white candle wax. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove.  Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. An occasional cleaning with alcohol, and a rub down with a piece of white candle will ensure long and trouble free life. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules.

I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve

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Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up….

        To which numerous kind individuals responded both here and via email, all of whom I’d like to thank. Solved my problem. tgb P.S.    And as to the facial grease suggestion posted on the NG, hey, at least it wasn’t the "rubbed well with the navel lint from a legal-aged virgin" suggestion I got via email. Kinda feel like Andy Warhol’s "Dracula" now…. tgb

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Ol Danl writes: Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position….

No flames, Danl.  Just facts.  What you suggest is probably ok with graphite or glass rods, but the ferrules on a boo rod should never be "greased" in any way, shape, or form.  Keep them clean.  When you take the rod apart, clean everything with a clean cloth, especially the ferrules.  And keep them dry. Dave LaCourse

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Or Albolene? Judging from the 1001 uses described, one more won’t hurt.. Herman This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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…..legal-aged virgin….

Huh?  What means?

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Wolfie in some parts of the country it is 18, not "If old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher." Ernie

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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh?  What means?

I believe that the age of consent in Oklahoma is still 13 years old, but they have to wait till 21 to buy beer that is of more than 3.2 content. Big Dale Big Dale

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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh?  What means?

In some locations, it’s an 11 year old girl who can outrun her brothers. {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh?  What means?

Ready for a wayno . . . changing?   Peter the always helpful

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb +++++  NEVER!  Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything)  The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules.  What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them.  Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

Really?  My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…

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Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool.  Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you.  Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny.  Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all.  Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool.  Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together.  Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish.  Remember that. Mr. Gink

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Steel wool will abrade the ferrules and is a bad thing to do.  It will ruin the fit in a relatively short time.  No abrasives of any sort whatsoever should be used on ferrules, quite irrespective of type. Lubricants are designed to reduce wear, and that is what they do. This is also why they are called lubricants. various liquid lubricants may cause problems with some suction ferrules. Solid paraffin wax will not.  Ferrules treated with wax should be cleaned occasionally with alcohol, to ensure that no abrasives are present, and then re waxed. Just a short rub with a white candle and a polish up is all that is required. In the course of forty years fishing, with all sorts of rods, under all sorts of conditions. Ordinary white candle way has proved its worth. I have never had a rod ferrule stick, and I have never had any problems with wear. If you can not decide what to do about your ferrules, or what to apply, then at least keep them clean and dry. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool.  Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you.  Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny.  Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all.  Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool.  Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together.  Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish.  Remember that. Mr. Gink

Do NOT use steel wool, nor any other abrasive on nickel silver ferrules. That’s probably what made a mess of Jerke’s early bamboo rods, those whose ferrules flopped!  Clean the ferrules, then give them a quick swipe on two sides with hard paraffin. A white candle works well. Listen to Mike Connor. That noise from the Snake River will lead you astray! Paraffin also works well with glass and carbon. Before you buy.

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Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb

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Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb

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Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods.  Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart.  I did just this Today with my Orvis flea.  Ferrules pop loose with ease.  I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons. **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb

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Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face.

Just make sure you put some parafin on your nose first, Danl. BTW, why does everyone think that place is particularly greasy? Is yours? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl

Dan, I made a post some years ago about this but it seems to have dropped off Deja.com darned it. There have been a number of articles in fishing mags as to why this is not a good idea. Salts etc. I rolled a spinning rod metal ferrule on the side of my nose once and as far as I know the damned thing is still stuck together. I gave the rod away. If you would like I can flame you provided you can wait around until I search upstairs for the article or maybe someone else will do it in the meantime. I do like to quote this article as it is the author who does the dirty work (calls you a birdbrain) instead of me. Much safer for me dontchaknow.<G I’ll see if I can find the article as it is quite good and is worthy of repeating. Kiyu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb

+++++  NEVER!  Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything)  The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules.  What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them.  Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

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In alphabetical order, I think a new law firm should be set up in Montana by three such men that need a change in life and a serious move into happy trout country.  I.E. "HARRISON, FAULKNER & MILLER"  the Legal Maulers of Montana would have a thriving practice and they could fly fish every lunch hour if they so choose.  I would even donate my services in exchange for theirs.  It would certainly be of equal value! Billings Montana is a serious location  including, Helena and Missoula or even Hamilton Montana.  I only wonder how good they would look in a Western Stetson? Of course they may always try Jackson  Hole and compete with Jerry Spence! CSG (chuckle, sneer, grin!) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! — http://www.gink.com/chat

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; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA!

See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

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See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

______  Your breeding is showing. Sad. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Wolfgang writes: ; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

Bwwwhahahahahaha.  ROFLEO. So very, very true, Wolf.  The twits of this world will never change.   d;0) Dave L.

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Whooops!  Guess I rose to the bait …. er,  fly.

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order.

things ain’t always rational in Bizarro world. Myxtplk

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means. — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means.

_______ Gee Mike, that term was not used by me in THIS thread, but I see your point and you’re right. I do know, as a matter of fact, what you mean for I may have sired all the bottom dwellers here.  I guess some of us have a talent for such things but look at the fun they’re having!? I will refrain from commenting on what you have aptly pointed out in the future.  What would I do without you Mike?  You’re a great guy who is always looking after me. I am a blessed man, Your pal, George Gehrke Beware!  Do not feed the Bottom Dwellers! — http://www.gink.com

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I suppose I ought to comment on this thread even though I don’t know why. Well, I sure as hell wouldn’t mind practicing with these guys, particularly in Montana.  Although we’d all be working the overnight shift at Ole’s so we could fish all day, so the law degree becomes superfilous anyway. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Bob: <<I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E. George? Dave LaCourse

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Dave, No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Bob E.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bob: <<I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E. George? Dave LaCourse

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Bob: <<No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed.   Dave L.

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Dave, So many brews around here it makes the mind boggle. Bob E.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bob: <<No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed. Dave L.

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Speaking of Dundee’s Honey Brown: Though it’s a mere lager, it’s a damned tasty one, and I confess that I’ve developed quite a jag for that stuff. And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

        confession, tripper, is good for the soul.         wayno

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Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed.

Speaking of Dundee’s Honey Brown: Though it’s a mere lager, it’s a damned tasty one, and I confess that I’ve developed quite a jag for that stuff. And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

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You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

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You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think.

Yup, I reckon that I’ll have drawn the wrath of many sudsy souls hereabouts. Wouldn’t be the first time (and prolly won’t be the last ;^) As American politics points out repeatedly, the majority is often more wrong than right… Still…Dundee’s is an excellent substitute for the even hardier brews that I favor but that require a trip to the local pub to obtain. So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do… /daytripper (hic!)

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confession, tripper, is good for the soul. wayno

And beer is good for the kidneys ! But not if you hold it back for weeks ! I can not eat but little meat, my stomach is not good, but sure I think that I can drink, as much as any would, Let the back and the sides go bare me boys, let the hands and the feet grow cold, but give to the belly good ale enough, whether it be new or old ! TL MC

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Mark Faulkner writes:

<<You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think. Mark Faulkner Peter is on holiday and will spend the evening of the 6th with Jo and me.  I *know* he wouldn’t show up without any Sleeman’s, but whether or not I can make it to the fall ball with it is quite another thing.  Oh, yeah, I forgot.  I found *three* of the little devils in the fridge today.  Musta forgot about ‘em. There be only one left.  Come on August 6th……. You want I should bring some Dundee’s HBs to NC in October? Dave LaCourse

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Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

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Not so bad in my book, snagger.  Those bass can be outstanding on a fly rod, and the bluegills and perch are tasty indeed. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

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<<Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Welcome aboard, DeepSnag.  I retired from  Mother Nav in 1975.  There are other retirees in ROFF, and Tom Brown, a regular ROFF poster, has a son on USS Nicholas FFG47.  You’re with family.  ’Course, we got lots of no-account lawyers and folks with "edu" in their address, but as a whole, they’re pretty neat. They’re worth going fishing with, anyway.  Let’s hear more from you. Dave LaCourse, USN (Ret)

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Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

Congratulations DeepSnag for sticking it out with the USN. I still remember the anticipation of counting down the years, months and days till retirement. Nothing like it. Best decision I ever made. Don’t know about you but my 20 yrs went by really fast. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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Welcome aboard, DeepSnag.  I retired from  Mother Nav in 1975.  There are other retirees in ROFF, and Tom Brown, a regular ROFF poster, has a son on USS Nicholas FFG47.  You’re with family.  ’Course, we got lots of no-account lawyers and folks with "edu" in their address, but as a whole, they’re pretty neat. They’re worth going fishing with, anyway.  Let’s hear more from you. Dave LaCourse, USN (Ret)

I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E.

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Frank Church writes:

<<I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Hey, congratulations, Frank.  I can imagine how  very proud you are of him.  The Rainier is an oiler (AOE), so I bet he is at sea a lot.  Does he also FF? Dave LaCourse

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Frank Church writes: <<I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Hey, congratulations, Frank.  I can imagine how  very proud you are of him.  The Rainier is an oiler (AOE), so I bet he is at sea a lot.  Does he also FF? Dave LaCourse

his third or 4th one. The assignment he liked best was being attached to the USMC as unit chaplain at Camp Lejuene..he got out there and humped on the marches and hikes with the grunts. On his way (with family) to Naples (?) for 3 yrs in Jan.  His job will be to travel all over Europe, sort of a military circuit rider. Man, am I jealous! Afraid he doesn’t FF…his avocation and vocation take up all his time and right now he has no interest in fishing of any kind. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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[deleted] So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do…

[deleted] Honey in beer ! Egads man…have you no taste ?!?!?! Honey belongs on peanut butter sandwiches, not in beer. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do… Honey in beer ! Egads man…have you no taste ?!?!?! Honey belongs on peanut butter sandwiches, not in beer.

Ah, if you only had a clue, Tim… /daytripper (tonite, it’s Concord Pale Ale, fresh from the brewery. Yummy!)

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Hello Ihave the starter Orvis kit that I bought about 9 years ago for sale. It is a 4pc. 6wt. grafite rod with a orvis reel with floating line and a extra spool with sink tip line on it. also a aluminum tub for the rod . reply if interested 125.00 Bye Randy W. Oh ya forgot it’s the green mountain series

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That’s EZ ! www.ezflyfish.com ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Oh Lord – now he’s on commission. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s EZ ! www.ezflyfish.com ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

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I bought my wife an outfit from Cabellas…..for my money they have the best combo kits on the market in all price ranges..john

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Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing.

The advice to get Cabela’s catalog to buy an inexpensive outfit is good. They have a wider selection than anybody in the lower price points. From what you say, look for an outfit that is 4 or 5 wt., and 8′6"  to 9′ long.  For a "balanced outfit", you’ll need a reel and fly line to match. If you’re used to K-Mart prices on spinning tackle, you’re in for a bit of sticker-shock.  Is the $75 for a rod only, or a rod/reel/line combination? If the latter you’re really pushing the bottom limits of the market, and are likely to replace it fairly soon if you get serious about the sport.  You may wish to hold on to your existing K-Mart special, and save up about $200 for an outfit that will give you a real performance improvement over what you’ve got now. Michael

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

  No doubt you’ve already read the advice on Cabelas, They are right. Give a good look at the 3 forks 3wt. 7.5′ 3piece rod combo. It casts easily to 30′ and beyond if you power it. It’ll be really fun on the size you specified yet has enough backbone for those 4+ pounders if finessed (I’ve done it) but it is more closely related to work than relaxation at that size.Comes complete but I would add a loop (orvis makes the best), the reel is on the large size for the rod but light and usable. It comes kit form so you can learn to attach the leader to line and reel(if you goof just cut it and try again), the line is not of the greatest quality but it’ll get you on the water AND the price is right.                                                       John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

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<< I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing.

My advice would be to invest a little more money, dump the ideas about buying a kit,  and get a nice Pro Graphite St Croix rod and put a few extra bucks into the line. This is the setup I started flyfishing with 6 years ago now. I wanted to buy a cheap kit, and see if "I liked it", but a wise person told me to put in a little more money. You’ve already tried flyfishing with the cheap stuff. You will very probably develop into a fanatic. I own many flyrods now, but that old St. Croix 5 wt is still a rod I love and use frequently. Tor Larsen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

Hi All, Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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Hi,   Sage now owns Lamson. Give them a call at 1-800-533-3004 and ask for Lamson Repairs and they will take care of you. Tight Lines, Jim, NV Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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Sage took over Lamson and your reel is warranteed for life by sage.   Contact them. cheers gp

: I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on : the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple : affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that : clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I : cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions : but I would like to produce sound as it was made. : Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might : get this repaired? — gp

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

Actually, the good name Lamson is alive and well but now a part of through them, a suitable dealer/repair facility referral seems very likely. Regards,          Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

Sage now owns Lamson, and are still producing the LP series of reels. David B.

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We are planning a warm weather bonefishing vacation for mid February.  My son and I want to try flyfishing for this great saltwater fish for the first time in a location that will provide good, relaxing beach time for my wife. I  know nothing about the possible seasonable impact on the quality of the fishing.  I am looking for help on where we should plan to go in February (Florida Keys, Bahamas, Carribean, Mexico?).  Please advise.

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You could try any of those locales,but at that time of year, the farther south you go the better your chances for good weather. I’d put my money on Belize, and again the farther south the better. Look into going to Placentia. Even if you have bad weather, you can always go up into the monkey river to fish and there are lots of diversions for non fishing people. The Bones are small but plentiful,and there are Tarpon and you can expect to see LOTS of Permit. If the weather is VERY good you can go out to the reef and catch just about anything. Phil

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

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The North Umpqua River in Oregon is has stretches that are closed to boating between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m.  This seems to leave a reasonable amount of prime fishing time for the flyfisherpeople.  Despite this arrangement, I’ve had a fisherman demand that I tell him (at 5:30) whether there were any other boaters coming down the river after me as it I had some way of knowing.

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

As both a paddler and flyfisher in the smaller New Mexican Streams I prefer the following courses of action if possible.  Many times you see the fisher standing knee to hip deep in the water casting forward.  This leaves enough room to go behind them but make sure first they see you or you could get caught on the back cast.  If the fisher is standing on shore and you see they cannot make the cast all the way across stream then follow the opposite shoreline.  If they are on shore and they can cast across stream then follow the path as close to the fisher as possible.  Sometimes fisherman will get spooked by this course of action but if you wisper on the way by that you didn’t want to spook the fish they were casting to then then are usually appreciative.  I say wisper because even normal talk is enough to spook fish.  So if normal talk can then unnecessary paddle noise can too, so try to be stealthy when possible and don’t scream out "how’s the fishing" on the way by.  If the fisher feels you are trying to be sensitive to their needs through the 50 feet of water you are passing through then it usually avoids problems.  This is how I approach it but would like to here comments on how others do it short of haul your boat out and walk around because I don’t think I would do this as a kayaker – it’s my river too. -Allen Sansano

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The North Umpqua River in Oregon is has stretches that are closed to boating between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m.  This seems to leave a reasonable amount of prime fishing time for the flyfisherpeople.  

This might not seem so reasonable if the pale evening dun hatch started around 5:00.  Prime fishing time is when the fish are feeding. Despite this arrangement, I’ve had a fisherman demand that I tell him (at 5:30) whether there were any other boaters coming down the river after me as it I had some way of knowing.

Remember, kayakers on the river are much more maneuverable then a flyfisher that has waded out to a spot and is sight casting to a spooky brown trout sitting just behind a rock.  Most decent flyfishers just don’t flail away at the water in front of them but have a specific target in mind.   The best advice is to make sure that the person sees you.  When I encounter someone floating down the river while I’m flyfishing I’ll usually just stop casting and then motion them behind me and then say thanks as they pass for begin considerate. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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RE: Fly Fishermen & Paddlers—-         Here in the NY/NJ area, it’s been our habit to try to pass behind the fisherman if possible, or at the very least not to cut him off from shore.         We do try to be quiet, as part of the fishing experience is the solitude.  I often ask how things are, though, and maybe pass on what we’d seen upstream.         I am no longer concerned about disturbing their fishing opportunities, since I’ve had 3 fishermen get a trout from under my canoe!  If we talk with fishermen, we often find that their catching improves after we arrive or pass through.  Evidently we stir up enough bottom food to liven things up.         In short, stay polite, respect their privacy, & pass through as soon as you can.         –Joe P.

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  (?)

Best is if they are in the same boat.  Nothing is better than an experienced paddler to tend a canoe while you fish, to keep you "in the bucket" above steelhead holes or move the canoe at the same rate as your line and fly for a perfect drift. But, that’s not what you’re fishing for. When I am fishing and canoes approach, I always like it if the paddler holds out of my casting range until I graciously stop my cast and motion for them to move through. I direct them behind or close to me so there is no chance for them to upset fish I am working. If the current is such that they cannot stop, it is in my best interest to understand where they’re headed and allow for this.  In general I have a lot more control mf myself and my line than most canoeists of their boats. I would not expect a canoeist to alter their course in a difficult river to avoid the water I am fishing anymore than I expect privacy in a popular destination.  My experience is that fish spooked by canoes usually resume feeding in minutes. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

Richard,        Intresting question, but I flyfish out of my canoe and enjoy the best of both worlds.                         Steve

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Many moons ago, on the AuSable in Michigan, there was a massive canoe hatch during the day.  All of my buddies cast deprecating remarks and retreated to there various campsites to commune with Jim or Jack (Beam or Daniels).  As an innocent just learning to fish for trout, I didn’t know that this was bad for fishing, so I just waved at the people as they went past and cast behind them. I found that this was the ONLY time I was able to catch fish.  Apparently the paddlers stirred up the nymphs which stirred up the fish which saw my fly and made me look good.   I probably caught more fish than the rest of the group combined on that trip. However, by the time I would get back to camp, Jim & Jack had their effects on my buddies, so I kept my little technique to myself.   I still don’t mind canoe hatches.  I have only had one incident where the paddlers tried unsuccessfully to avoid me due to lack of paddling ability and too much beer (mainly the latter).  I simply grabbed the gunwale of the canoe to steer them past me.  Unfortunately I grabbed it too hard and pushed the wrong way and the unfortunate drunks had a cold wet sobering up party.  I also decided that was an excellent time to leave the river and hunt another spot to fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best advice is to make sure that the person sees you.  When I encounter someone floating down the river while I’m flyfishing I’ll usually just stop casting and then motion them behind me and then say thanks as they pass for begin considerate. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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I just ran the Big Hole in Montana and spent another day wading while fly fishing so I got a chance to see both sides.  As you might expect, one technique doesn’t fit all situations.  Always stay quiet and aviod splashing.  When possible and you can tell which way they are casting, go behind the person fishing.  Obviously this only works if they are far enough from the bank to leave room to navagate.  I don’t know if going right next to them works too well.  Most casters who aren’t experts can’t cast that far any you run the risk of interfering with their line or worse, hitting them with the boat or an oar.  Best to simply try to avoid going right owver their hole and stay away from them.  Better yet, this sounds like a good opportunity to strike up a conversation with a real fisherman (or woman) on the river.  For the record, approximatly 10 boats passed me (most professionally guided) and all went quietly and courteously behind me.   JDDRio (Dan Dunlap)                                                       "…the recklessness of water…"   REM

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