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Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa
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says… Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari
Ari, You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago? I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob
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Did he? I’ll look but I probably missed it. Ari You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago? I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob
Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa
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<2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry
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Sorry buddy, my email was linked to my newsreader. It should be sorted out now. Apologies once again. Ari <2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry
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Ari Bert wrote Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari It is best to buy a "ready-made" machine. It is very dangerous to experiment. They can be harmful to fish, and a lot of other things, including humans. In most places, it is illeagl to use them without a licence. TL MC
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You will find some info here. Take particuar note of the safety instructions; http://water.usgs.gov/nawqa/protocols/OFR-93-104/fishp11.html TL MC
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<< Ari: Does anyone know how to build one? Yes. With a certainty that you won’t stun yourself and drown? No. And are they harmful to fish? Frequently. …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Unless said waters are your personal property, probably not legal. Checking with my town’s lakes biological services provider, not legal in NJ without a permit from DEP. GKT
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I recall one landowner I worked with who spoke of his bass pond. They had overpopulated, and were stunted as a result. He got the idea to plug in his battery charger and throw the jumper cables into the pond, to sort of thin the population out. "That," he said. "Did the trick probably a little too well." Pete Collin
Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari
* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa
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Hand cranked generator from an old telephone. Two ten ft lengths of wire. Works in small creeks and fish ponds don’t know about bigger lakes and rivers.
Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari
* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa
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I saw a crew electrofishing in Yellowstone last August. It looked really interesting. I’d pay money to try it. 
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Hello RBPers! I read this post just the other day, especially the part regarding Old Towns being heavier than announced, and decided to check for myself. So I weighed my 17′ Penobscot, advertised at 65 lbs, and whaddaya know? It weighed 65 pounds! So, at least in this particular instance (and assuming the scale was accurate, etc.) Old Town’s number appears to be correct. Of course, as they say, your mileage may vary, but I’ve been very happy with the Penobscot. It is my family’s first canoe, and we have had a lot of fun with it. And that, to me, is what it is all about.
Well, Our 16 ft Penobscot is a heavy dog. I weighed it and it came to almost 75 lbs. It’s advertised at 63 lbs. The only additions are flotation and knee pads. I’m still trying figure out why its such a lump of lead! Eric L. Nilson Remove {Remove-to-mail} for email
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Thanks for your reply and comments, Andrew! I just didn’t want new folks (not unlike myself) to dismiss a manufacturer out-of-hand based upon one model or experience. I used RBP as one of my sources in selecting the Penobscot, so I truly believe people’s experiences here are valuable. Regarding materials, I think I would have liked to have been able to justify the Kevlar, but two to three times the price was just too much. I don’t know much about Kevlar’s real-life durability, but the weight reduction would have been nice. Maybe one of these days… Anyway, thanks again and let’s hope for an early spring! Carl Seals – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello RBPers! I read this post just the other day, especially the part regarding Old Towns being heavier than announced, and decided to check for myself. So I weighed my 17′ Penobscot, advertised at 65 lbs, and whaddaya know? It weighed 65 pounds! So, at least in this particular instance (and assuming the scale was accurate, etc.) Old Town’s number appears to be correct. Of course, as they say, your mileage may vary, but I’ve been very happy with the Penobscot. It is my family’s first canoe, and we have had a lot of fun with it. And that, to me, is what it is all about. Happy paddline! Carl Seals Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. When I said that, I meant specifically Old Town’s Discovery (polyethylene) boats. The Penobscot is Royalex, so their weights for those boats may be accurate. I’ve picked up Penobscots, and 65 lbs seems a reasonable amount (nicely designed boats too). The 15-8 Discovery’s I’ve picked up are as difficult to lift as my friends wood-canvas boat (that is 80 lbs plus). Old Town puts the weight of their Discovery’s much lower, about the same as their Royalex boats, even though the polyethylene is a much heavier material. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers
Hi Gene; One thing I outta say as long as we are talking about opinions, is; Like an old guide told me once, learn to cast sitting down, don’t argue, just do it. He was right of course. Casting while kneeling is not such a big task and makes flyfishing from a canoe a lot safer and more enjoyable. That said, of the boats you mentioned, the only one I have first hand experience with is the Old Town. I notice that it is the longest. Superficially at least, this indicates that it may be the fastest, and you can always learn to turn a fast boat, but you can never make a slow boat fast. This quality is important for dealing with wind, attainments in current and such. This is also a truism and therefore not always the case. I note that all the boats you mention are within a few pounds of the Old Town, which to me, knowing only what you have presented, makes it my choice. Anyway, there are some opinions for you. Have fun :wq
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Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs
I bought an OldTown Pathfinder for much the same purpose (it’s a shorter version of the Camper) and it was fine until I got hooked on canoeing and less interested in fishing. I still flyfish from my Mad River Explorer. Stability has never been a problem, but switching between the fly rod and the paddle can be a nuisance…
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Hello RBPers! I read this post just the other day, especially the part regarding Old Towns being heavier than announced, and decided to check for myself. So I weighed my 17′ Penobscot, advertised at 65 lbs, and whaddaya know? It weighed 65 pounds! So, at least in this particular instance (and assuming the scale was accurate, etc.) Old Town’s number appears to be correct. Of course, as they say, your mileage may vary, but I’ve been very happy with the Penobscot. It is my family’s first canoe, and we have had a lot of fun with it. And that, to me, is what it is all about. Happy paddline! Carl Seals I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape like a good fiberglass boat, like the Wenonah. They’re only good for dropping off buildings, running into with your SUV, or paddling whitewater. A good fiberglass boat will last for years. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello RBPers! I read this post just the other day, especially the part regarding Old Towns being heavier than announced, and decided to check for myself. So I weighed my 17′ Penobscot, advertised at 65 lbs, and whaddaya know? It weighed 65 pounds! So, at least in this particular instance (and assuming the scale was accurate, etc.) Old Town’s number appears to be correct. Of course, as they say, your mileage may vary, but I’ve been very happy with the Penobscot. It is my family’s first canoe, and we have had a lot of fun with it. And that, to me, is what it is all about. Happy paddline! Carl Seals
Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced.
When I said that, I meant specifically Old Town’s Discovery (polyethylene) boats. The Penobscot is Royalex, so their weights for those boats may be accurate. I’ve picked up Penobscots, and 65 lbs seems a reasonable amount (nicely designed boats too). The 15-8 Discovery’s I’ve picked up are as difficult to lift as my friends wood-canvas boat (that is 80 lbs plus). Old Town puts the weight of their Discovery’s much lower, about the same as their Royalex boats, even though the polyethylene is a much heavier material. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape ^^^^^^^ That’s not true, is it???
Yes, plastic, especially Old Town’s polyethylene as used in the Discovery series is the heaviest widely used canoe material. Royalex is less so, but still heavy. I’d try lifting the boats in question. The 15-8 Discovery is listed at 72 lbs, but weighs closer to 85. A Grumman 17′ is significantly lighter. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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I’m not sure I understand the context here but David asks if it is true that royalex canoes will be less abrasion resistant than glass boats. Well, I am one abrasion producing mojo and, having both a glass WW boat (an Edge) and a royalite Rival, I am here to tell you that the Rival takes abuse that would put the Edge back on the sawhorses for a serious session of patch and curse. I wish that weren’t true because I love the Edge (even though it is much less forgiving) but theroyalex/royalite will take the beating much better. I agree that your Old Town plastic boat might weigh more than they say. I also think that glasas takes hits better than many , dare I say it, New Schoolers, might think. But, for the big whap, like after the boof where there turns out to be one inch rather than one foot of landing water, plastic is better. For flat water though, no question, go with glass or kevlar.. Chris Kelly
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape like a good fiberglass boat, like the Wenonah. They’re only good for dropping off buildings, running into with your SUV, or paddling whitewater. A good fiberglass boat will last for years. I feel that’s a little extreme. He feels that weight is a problem. Being that most canoes are tandem and will be portaged and shuttled that way, an 85 pound canoe would be little problem to most folks. Weight is more of a consideration to individual kayakers. Plastic or Royalex are good, sound choices; fiberglass is too breakable.
He’s not doing whitewater, he is using the canoe solo (I hope with a 14′ boat). Usually one person gets the boat off the car, so heavy canoe are a problem. Good fiberglass cloth layups (not chopper gun cheapies) are plenty strong. A friend has been using his in whitewater for 10 years. To say they’re too "breakable" menas either you have little expereince with good fiberglass, or you are assuming the boat should be completely idiot proof, which I am not claiming. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape like a good fiberglass boat, like the Wenonah. They’re only good for dropping off buildings, running into with your SUV, or paddling whitewater. A good fiberglass boat will last for years.
I feel that’s a little extreme. He feels that weight is a problem. Being that most canoes are tandem and will be portaged and shuttled that way, an 85 pound canoe would be little problem to most folks. Weight is more of a consideration to individual kayakers. Plastic or Royalex are good, sound choices; fiberglass is too breakable.
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I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers
Gene, My opinion kind of originates from the perspective of *do you want to be seated or kneeling?*… With the comfortable knee_pads sold today, I would find the kneeling position much more stable a platform in which to throw line out of…IMHO…particularly in dealing with casting itself…much more comfortable too, thus ..IMHO..I’d stay away from the flat barges…and go with a well designed kevlar. A well designed hull with rock-solid secondary stablility gives me infinitely more security than sitting in a Camper… where I had to stay as still as I could when sitting…staying still while sitting?…trying to throw line..???? It just never worked for me…With the sensitive area being your top-heavy sitting position…your arm/shoulder area becomes a focal point of solidity…..?? when trying to set a #22 baetis emerger with a tight arm..??? good luck… $.02, steve drossel
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I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers Home Page URL: http://members.tripod.com/caddis1
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Gene, I own a Wenonah Spirit II in their Tuff-Weave material, basically reinforced fiberglass. It is a very fine boat, and I would recommend Wenonah highly – though you didn’t say what material you were considering for the Fisherman. I also like the OldTown Camper – in fact, I’m thinking of selling my Wenonah to buy a Camper, for both the added durability of Royalex, and because I can get the Camper in olive drab with stained seats and thwarts, which will be an advantage when duck hunting from it. One thing to watch out for – with the shorter, wider boats, you get more stability at the expense of paddling efficiency. Personally, I wouldn’t go any wider than the 36 inch Camper, nor shorter than 16 feet, but then again, I’d give up some stability for paddling efficiency. Good Luck! Lou – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers Home Page URL: http://members.tripod.com/caddis1
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hi Eugene , i would also look at the Swift Algonquin series,probably the i6 ft. it will weigh less then these even in their swift tech and stronger. Check out www.swiftcanoe.com Note that prices will be in canadian dollars. Bo Sinanan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers Home Page URL: http://members.tripod.com/caddis1
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Which one felt best when you tried it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am about to buy a new canoe and am looking at the following four canoes: Mad River- Tahoe 14 37 inch beam wt 55lbs OldTown- Camper 16 36 inch beam wt 59lbs Novacraft-Angler 15 37 inch beam wt 54 lbs Wenonah-Fisherman 14 39 inch beam wt 62lbs I am a fly fisherman so with these canoes am looking for stability and ease of lifting and carrying. I would very much appreciate any input anyone has on these canoes to assist me in making my choice. Regards Gene Rogers Home Page URL: http://members.tripod.com/caddis1
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I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape like a good fiberglass boat, like the Wenonah. They’re only good for dropping off buildings, running into with your SUV, or paddling whitewater. A good fiberglass boat will last for years. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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I’d get the boat in fiberglass, the Fisherman is, not sure about the NovaCraft. Don’t take Old Town’s weights seriosly, it will be heavier than announced. Plastic, whether polyethylene or Royalex, will be less abrasion resistant, heavier, less repairable and will not hold its shape
^^^^^^^ That’s not true, is it??? like a good fiberglass boat, like the Wenonah. They’re only good for dropping off buildings, running into with your SUV, or paddling whitewater. A good fiberglass boat will last for years. — Delete all the occurences of the letter q to reply. — Andrew (no q) Gooding
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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or. At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain. Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good? Please e-mail me and let me know. Thanks in advance!
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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.
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Closest would be Lava Island Falls area. About a mile upstream is Dillon Falls. Fishing anywhere in this area is good and from the Inn you can walk to them all. Just try using a large olive hare’s ear, bead head prince nymph, or tan elk hair caddis. Check with The Patient Angler in Bend off of Colorado Ave., they will be able to give you any further advice on recent hatches.
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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.
I hear that the black bullhead can really put up a dogged fight when hooked on a #4 corn fly. -John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or. At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain. Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good? Please e-mail me and let me know. Thanks in advance!
Hi Bryan, I would fish streams early and late in the day at that time of year. There are fly shops in Sister’s, Bend, Sun River and Camp Sherman. They can tell you about the fishing, what flies to use and can supply you with a guide. The lakes, like Crane Prairie, can be very good at that time, also. You have the Deschutes, Metolius, Crooked and Fall Rivers to choose from. The Deschutes river also has steelhead in July through October. I would try to find a copy of ‘Harry Teel’s No Nonsense Guide To Fly Fishing Central & Southeastern Oregon’, published by David Marketing Communications in Sisters, Oregon. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
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Sorry, got always an error message from the server, thats why I tried to send it several times! Thomas
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: <snip I had a 7′ 3 wgt. T&T Paralite that : was the most beautiful rod I ever owned…. But it was useless… You : couldn’t shoot a #14 humpy with it… I couldn’t disagree more. The paralite (my favorite rod) has a different action than most are used to, but it is perfectly capable of handling any sized dry (for trout, that is) and quite a few wieghted nymphs. I use it often, even in slightly windy conditions. It won’t, however, deliver larger flies into a stiff breeze- but then again, that’s not really what it was designed for. And you’re absolutely correct about the beauty of the rod… best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon." -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom" delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in purchasing a new rod for fishing very tight, small, brushy streams with obstructions on sides and overhead. I already own 3 rods ranging from 8′-9′ but these are all too long and heavy. I would like to buy a rod between a 2 and 4 weight in a 6-1/2′ to 7-1/2′ length. After having broken the tip twice on my Sage LL rod, a definite must for this rod is a lifetime warranty or 25 year warranty that Orvis offers. I have looked at the Reddington 4wt 7-1/2′ which has a lifetime warranty but I know 20 years from now Orvis will still be here and they may not. After reviewing all of the Orvis rods in these sizes it appears that the HLS One Ounce which is a 4wt. 7′ one ounce rod would be best although I am not sure I will like the cork-and-ring reel seat. Has anyone had any experience with the HLS One Ounce? Or should I consider the Orvis Superfine 2wt. 6′6" One Ounce, 3wt 7′6" Tippet, or the 4wt 7′6" Brook Trout? Any other rod lines I should look at that have a 25 year or more warranty? Will I create much more water disturbance by going from a 2-3 weight line to a 4 weight where I will be approaching fish that are very wary? Is there much difference in throwing a 3wt compared to a 4wt line into the wind on under 20-30′ casts? Thanks for your help in making the best decision possible.
I wouldn’t be afraid of the cork-and-ring reel seat, I have one on my Patridge rod and I have never had problems with it, it’s simpl= y more lightweigth. To the Orvis rods: Personally i wouldn’t consider the 2weight, the rod is to swippy and has no backbone to cast a weighted nymph or= cast in windy conds. The 3weight made from HLS graphite is nearly as good as the SAGE LL rod. Anyway: you don’t really feel a diffe= rence between a #3 and a #4 rod, except that the 3weight cast a little bit worse with more wind resistant or heavier flies or in win= dy conditions. I use a short 5weight (!) for nearly all my fishing and I don’t have the feeling to spook trout by serving a 5weight = line more than with the 3weight. The difference is that with that rod it is possible to cast even a very heavy weighted stonefly nym= ph on a heavy leader with lots of split shot without trouble, in contrast to a 3weight. You don’t have to worry about water disturba= nce, if you do, learn to serve the fly better, as I am trying (it works! I learned to serve a fly with a 5weight with nearly as litt= le disturbance as with a #3, it was worth it). Only in very shallow (about 1ft) and very slow and clear water I change to the 3weigh= t, where you don’t need heavy weigthed flys or leaders and the flies are tiny. Anyway: I don’t know how you wade, but most of the flyfishers I spoke to and which were worried about spooking a trout with a #5 lin= e spook the trout before they start to fish (with their 2 or 3weight rod) by incareful wading (so there was no problem to spook the = trout with a heavier line, they spooked them already! Most of these guys make more waterhiking and trout-spooking than flyfishing in= stead standing at one pool and fishing it carefully.). I don’t say, that you do it that way, but cosider the disadvantages of a too = light rod. Something can be evened out by a different (more careful) presentation and approach to a fish! A last point to consider: You can fight a fish faster with a rod with more backbone, which means that you increase the survival rate= of a released trout (Don’t go under a 3weight! With kindest regards: The Trout). Hope that helps tight lines Thomas
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I am going to offer a dissenting opinion to most of the feedback you will likely get on your question. I would not hit a dead dog in the butt with anything lighter that a 4 wgt. for small, tight stream work. I believe a 5 wgt to be even better. I have seen very few light (less than 4 wgt….) rods that are capable of punching a fly through brush and under a hemlock bough that is only 18" off the water. I had a 7′ 3 wgt. T&T Paralite that was the most beautiful rod I ever owned…. But it was useless… You couldn’t shoot a #14 humpy with it… I fish an Orvis Small Stream Special (7′ 5wgt) for this work… But I have also used the Orvis Rocky Mtn. Flea (6 1/2′ #4) and it is OK. I like the 5 wgt better. Eithr of these would be a good choice in my view…
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I am interested in purchasing a new rod for fishing very tight, small, brushy streams with obstructions on sides and overhead. I already own 3 rods ranging from 8′-9′ but these are all too long and heavy. I would like to buy a rod between a 2 and 4 weight in a 6-1/2′ to 7-1/2′ length. After having broken the tip twice on my Sage LL rod, a definite must for this rod is a lifetime warranty or 25 year warranty that Orvis offers. I have looked at the Reddington 4wt 7-1/2′ which has a lifetime warranty but I know 20 years from now Orvis will still be here and they may not. After reviewing all of the Orvis rods in these sizes it appears that the HLS One Ounce which is a 4wt. 7′ one ounce rod would be best although I am not sure I will like the cork-and-ring reel seat. Has anyone had any experience with the HLS One Ounce? Or should I consider the Orvis Superfine 2wt. 6′6" One Ounce, 3wt 7′6" Tippet, or the 4wt 7′6" Brook Trout? Any other rod lines I should look at that have a 25 year or more warranty? Will I create much more water disturbance by going from a 2-3 weight line to a 4 weight where I will be approaching fish that are very wary? Is there much difference in throwing a 3wt compared to a 4wt line into the wind on under 20-30′ casts? Thanks for your help in making the best decision possible.
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