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I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat.  I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  

Yup.  I use it mostly on small lakes, and fairly sheltered bays on big lakes, in calm weather.  When I take it out on open water on a large lake, I keep a weather eye out, and beat it back to land if it starts to blow even a little bit.   The next boat I buy will probably be about 17-18 feet V-hull with a 40-50 hp motor, which will give us a little more elbow room when the whole family is out, and will let us stay out longer when the wind blows (which, of course, is when the fishing is best.) Or I could go smaller, and buy a couple of canoes.  The kids are at that age when they can’t really contribute much to paddling yet, but we can’t squeeze all four of us into one canoe anymore.  Maybe in a couple of years… Kevin (Oh, who the hell am I kidding?  I’ll be getting the big boat AND the canoes eventually…)

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Hi Chris, I actually just love boats. Your 26′ Almar is extremely sexy. Catching Sea Runs sounds like fun too. Thanks for the fun info. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene 26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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Hi Joe, What is a South Fork skiff?  I am curious. Milton is better now sense they dredged it out some years back. Montana sounds pretty cool. How did you pull that off? Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi Larry, I might have to try that maple leaf deal. Sounds good. Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 12`  olive drab John boat. The bottom was camouflaged by laying maple leaves oak leaves on it and spray painting around them with black rustoleum 16/6 pontoon boat equipped with twin minn kota Neptune motors (For when wife is along) — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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Hi David, Wooden boats are beautiful. Thanks Bill Kiene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

I use a Wilderness Systems ‘Ride’ SOT kayak for river and inshore saltwater fly fishing. I have a couple of Scotty fly rod holders mounted to the rear of the seat on both sides and use a float tube anchor off the bow rigged with a couple of eyelets to guide the line and a jam cleat to hold it. Works great. — Charlie…

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I have a 12 ft. Oldtown canoe. It weighs all of 34 pounds. The only special equipment I use is a modified over the shoulder bag that I can clip onto the center thwart and a bow placed pulley for an anchor rope. I can place my rod in the canoe while I carry it into ponds or rivers. It is stable enough for anything short of white water. I have been known to stand in it under extremely calm conditions, but I wouldn’t recommend it. -RTW What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them?

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"Bill Kiene" asked What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Bill, I use a 10ft Livingston fiberglass boat with only one add’l piece of equipment.  I have added some high back seats for the aging back.  It is a bit too heavy, these days, to haul around as a car top (can only use it as a two person boat, but 20 years ago, I launched it by myself).  I have had it for over 20 years+ and it shows all its age.  However, if I were to go out and buy a single person, non-pontoon, non-float tube, I might consider this: http://www.tribalance.com/ Chris Fanning

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′.

I always tell people that, contrary to what your local boat dealer will try to tell you, the smallest boat that will safely take you where you want to go is the best boat.  A solo canoe that a kid can pick up and carry to the water will get a hundred times more use than a big boat that takes an hour just to get rigged up and underway.  A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity. I have a 12 foot Lund with a 9.9 hp Spirit (made by Suzuki and sold by Arctic Cat) ob. and I use the hell out of it.  Though I must admit, now that the kids are getting bigger, the boat is feeling awfully crowded, and I am keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat. Kevin

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" A typical 40-50 foot motoryacht or sailing yacht spends the whole summer tied up in its slip and never, ever leaves the marina, which I think is just the height of absurdity." true- but, We took a weekend and went over to Lake Coeur d’ Alene  a few years back- At the marina I was astounded at the number of big boats – the attendant at the marina said that the land and property taxes were so high that it was more economical to slip a big yacht and weekend on it that it was to own recreational property on the lake.

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 I gather you use it on reasonably benign water.  A good  argument for something bigger is the added margin of  safety that it gives you.  Peter and I watched a boat that  was similar to yours struggling up the upper Niagara  yesterday on a stretch that I would tackle with a minimum  length of 16-17 feet and at least 25 inches of freeboard,  and considerably more horsepower.

When I was but a wee lad, my dad bought a 12′ aluminum rowboat & 3.5 hp outboard from Monkey Wards.   The five of us would load ourselves into it & head out from Crisfield into the Chesapeake for a day of fishing.   In that respect, Kevin is right.   We were able to actually get out on the water by buying something, anything we could afford at the time.   From a safety standpoint, however, we were probably nuts.   I remember one particular day we’d been well out (a 3-hr. motor with that setup) into Tangier Sound fishing while the wind built slowly.   By the time we prudently headed back in, the 12-footer was surfing down some pretty good swells, throwing spray, & occasionally digging the bow into the bottom of a trough as we slowly made our back to protected waters.   As a kid, it was great fun, but now that I’m the dad, I gotta think he was worried we were all going to drown.  :-) Joe F.

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Hi Frank, I have had lots of fun in small boats from 8′ to 14′. Bill K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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I use a 14′ lapstrake canoe,  nice and light.  ’course I built it myself…… David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where the rapids aren’t too scary. See a picture at: http://www.davescaddenpontooncraft.com/escaladed.html I like being able to paddle it with a kayak paddle, and also being able to stand up through the hole in the front.  I haven’t worked out a good anchor system yet, and it’s not very fast (my max speed is 2.5 mph as measured with my GPS) I’ve used the boat to drift the Skykomish, the Hoh, and the Skagit rivers. For bigger lakes, I use my canoe, but at 18′4" it’s not really small. Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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…..Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state.

Hey!  I got their bug!  I mean, I got 36 of their bug…..gonna catch me lotsa fish on Penn,s too! Wolfgang hey wayno, you want ‘em gift wrapped?

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I think it was $600 at REI last year.  I got a 25% discount as one of their one item promotions, bringing it down to $450. If you do a google search, you can find a few dealers selling it.   Unlike other boats, it’s not too expensive to ship at 18 pounds in a 16 inch cude. Chas If you get one, remember not to open the side zipper and take the liner bag out to dry.  It’s almost impossible to get it back in the right place so the boat doesn’t show any wrinkles.  They’ve put some sort of powder, probably talc in there, so the bag will slide inside the hypalon outer shell.  I made the mistake of rinsing that off. How much do those go for?  They look pretty interesting… I use a Davbe Scadden Escalade boat for small lakes and rivers where

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Bill, It just so happens that I am in search of a good used 14′ Jon boat to use in the back bays and shallow areas around the DE shoreline. Seems like this is the best approach (for me), as most of my boat owner-type salt buddies are using much bigger craft and can only access bigger waters. Trailering and launching these vessels can be somewhat problematic at times, as I have witnessed. Maintenance is a whole other issue. So, I have no interest in locking myself into a bigger hole in the water in which money is poured…  I’ll stick to a smaller hole. BTW, wanna sell your Lowes?  ;-) — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…"

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

My main bass boat is a 12′ Bass Tracker, actually is is just a shrunk down version of the big bass boats. (this is my big river boat) It has everything they do, ie: bow mount electric motor, live well, rod storage, pedestal seats, nav lites and bilge pump, and powered by a dependable Mercury 6. I love it as it is easy to launch for one little old fart, and very stable, which keeps the old fart in the boat. Then there is the 6′ inflateable pontoon boat with oars, and last but certainly not least is my TU "belly boat", which is not round but has a pointy end. This is my serious floating for smallies boat, and works wonderfully well in small rivers. Last 2 years it has floated me over some moderately tame rapids in the Rappahannock river. Frank (popeye the sailorman) Church

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12`  olive drab John boat. The bottom was camouflaged by laying maple leaves oak leaves on it and spray painting around them with black rustoleum 16/6 pontoon boat equipped with twin minn kota Neptune motors (For when wife is along) — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Hi.  I have a 10ft OUTCAST PAC-1000 pontoon boat (for sale).  But prefer my Don Hill 10ft mini-drift boat.  I can do most things with it I can with the pontoon boat, more stable,  stay drier, and easier to just throw the gear in the boat and shove off.  Main fishing hole is PASS LAKE in WA state. GL Greg

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Hi Bill I have a Coleman Caddis for still waters and a south fork skiff for drifting.  I fish mostly around my home in sw montana, but I lived in Truckee, Ca for many years.  Used the caddis mostly on Martis and Milton reservoirs.  BTW how is Milton these days? Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

Mad River 16′ Explorer canoe rigged with bow and stern anchors. Would like to get one of those little pontoon kickboats one of these days. They look like they’d be a gas. G.Cleveland

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Hi All, What kind of small boats do you fly fish out of and tell me about how they are equipped. Where do you use them? I am using a 10′ Valco pram and a 14′ Lowe Jon boat myself. Bill Kiene

26′ Almar Sounder, 225 Mercury Optimax, 25 Mercury 4-stroke kicker… electronic goodies such as radar, gps, 2 sounders, vhs).  use it for fishing offshore salmon, bottomfish and halibut. www.fly-fishing-neahbay.com/boatequipment.html 18′ Valco Bayrunner set up with oarlocks…. use it for fishing hood canal for sea-run cutthroat. oh crap, you said small boats <G chris

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like a good time was had by all…… –walt

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like a good time was had by all……

It was a great trip. A great Winter fishing fix. Lots of greasy food, liquor, short restless nights etc. that make a man my age regret his age the next morning. Lots of assorted grumblings about various bodily ailments throughout the group. Aging, ain’t it wonderful! There were quite a few people there on the weekend but on Monday and Tuesday, we essentially had the river to ourselves. Fishing was alittle slower with more smaller, 14 to 16 inch, fish than last year probably because of the murky water. Everybody did get into some good ones though. We did get some good dry fly action the last two days. That was a kick. I pointed out what I thought was a sweet young thing to Warren but he thought she was too chubby and passed on her, but I guess all those young things look good to a man my age. She even caught more fish than Warren. I did my best to hook him up by volunteering Warren to be a netting gilly for her when she landed her fish, but to no avail. Willi

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It was a great trip. A great Winter fishing fix. Lots of greasy food, liquor, short restless nights etc. that make a man my age regret his age the next morning. Lots of assorted grumblings about various bodily ailments throughout the group. Aging, ain’t it wonderful!

  Your age?  I thought Warren was older than you.  He certainly looked it in the mornings:)  I was a bit less "creaky" than normal.  The Ketoprofen 200 mg seemed to do the trick for my Osteoarthritis affected toes.  And, I felt great the next morning due to doctor mandated cutback in beer consumption.  Heck, I even brought beer back.  Hey, speaking of beer, I’m always getting crap about my "ol Mil but noticed that, after hiking up the hill, several of you guys drank it! Now that I’m back home, it’s back to water and diet Pepsi.  Bummer. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Can anyone suggest a good web site for info/maps/reviews on fly fishing within a short drive of the Northern VA area? Thanks. Phil Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Can anyone suggest a good web site for info/maps/reviews on fly fishing within a short drive of the Northern VA area? Thanks. Phil

www.murraysflyshop.com — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Phil asks: Can anyone suggest a good web site for info/maps/reviews on fly

fishing within a short drive of the Northern VA area?< http://www.murraysflyshop.com/

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You should get a copy of the January issue of Virginia Wildlife, which contains a comprehensive list (and maps) of wild and stocked trout streams throughout Virginia.  Much of this information, including stocking schedules, is also available at:  http://www.dgif.state.va.us Accotink creek, near Springfield/Burke (accessible from Wakefield Park off Braddock Road–very close to the Braddock Rd S/W exit from 495) is a delayed harvest stream in the Northern Virginia area, but aside from a large pool near the south end of the park, there isn’t much action here, and the water is usually pretty low (though I’ve rarely fished this and would defer to other peoples’ experiences). Your best bet is to head west, towards Shenandoah National Park.  From the beltway, you can be in the Rose or the Hughes in a little over an hour, though this time of year the stocked sections of the stream are pretty well fished out and you’ll have to hike up into the park for the natives.  You may also want to descend from Skyline drive on the top–the Hughes river near Corbin Cabin can be a particularly fine spot.  But be warned–fishing in Virginia during the summer months can be rough going.  That’s not to say that you won’t enjoy some beautiful wilderness, and may wade miles of stream without seeing another fisherman (even on a weekend), but the water is often quite low in the summer, and although you’ll find large groups of native locked into pools at various points, you have to be at the top of your game to hook one in July or August. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone suggest a good web site for info/maps/reviews on fly fishing within a short drive of the Northern VA area? Thanks. Phil Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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 but the water is often quite low in the summer, and although you’ll find large groups of native locked into pools at various points, you have to be at the top of your game to hook one in July or August.

Be careful fishing pools like that during low water, you can kill a lot of fish that took years to grow. Better slide on down to the South Fork (of the Shenandoah) and fish for smallmouth. Lotsa smallies and they bite good. The commute is not any longer, so it is worth a try. Just my two cents worth. John still in the Shenandoah Valley

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I will be in the Pocatello, Idaho area in the next couple of weeks, and was wondering if someone could point me to some fly fishing streams. I won’t have a lot of time, so the closer the better.

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Try Portneuf River near Bancroft (just below Chesterfield Reservoir – in fact, try the reservoir) – 1 hour east, Fort Hall Bottoms spring creeks- 40 min north, South Fork Snake River – 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 hours north, Henry’s Fork – 2 hours north, Silver Creek – 2 hours northwest, or a horde of reservoirs within an hour and a half south and east. Stop in at Jimmy’s All Seasons Angler in Pocatello for the latest info. Lance Hankins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the Pocatello, Idaho area in the next couple of weeks, and was wondering if someone could point me to some fly fishing streams. I won’t have a lot of time, so the closer the better.

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Kits are usually very bad.  Just buy a vise and some thread and material. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

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I thought the ‘el cheapo I got from Cabella’s was fine…   However, your local shop may have one just as good, with some advice on where to enter some classes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the ‘el cheapo I got from Cabella’s was fine…   However, your local shop may have one just as good, with some advice on where to enter some classes. I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

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I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

Hi Curt, before you buy have a look at www.flyanglersonline.com Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Kits are usually very bad.  Just buy a vise and some thread and

material. World without end, Amen.  When I was in FF retail, I steered everybody away from the kits, explaining they could get a decent start on materials,etc. and actually get stuff they will use by buying compnents selectively and individually for about the same amount of $..   I still have some claret saddles from my first kit, purchased from GL Herter in 1963.  If you want memories and materials you will never use, get a kit. Otherwise, just buy as much stuff as you can afford and build from there.

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Curt, DO NOT BUY ANY KIT! Do yourself a favor and go to a reputable flyfishing shop (not a general fishing store) and get the name of a fly tyer in your area that you can contact. Get in touch with that person and see if he or she will give you 10 minutes of his/her time. If yes, describe your situation and ask for advise. Most tyers I know are happy to help a beginner get started in tying with advise that will point you in the right direction. Good luck and if you want, you can e-mail me. Allan

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Don’t buy a kit, Here is my basic selection for a beginner tying trout flies.  Add items as you learn more about tying and know what you want..   1 Thompson A Vise 1 pair of scissors 1 Bobbin 1 Hackle pliers 1 Hair stacker 1 Box Mustad Hooks 94840 size 12 (dry) 1 Box Mustad Hooks 3906 size 12 (wet) 1 Spool thread (black) 1 Spool thread (brown) 1 Spool thread (red) 1 Spool floss (yellow) 1 Spool floss (red) 1 Spool gold tinsel 1 Spool silver tinsel 1 Neck (grizzly) 1 Neck (brown) 1 bunch peacock herl 1 patch deer hair 1 rabbit face 1 card Chennile (black) 1 card Chennile (brown) 1 card Chennile (red) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

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i totally agree with allan…….tying kits are a waste,

SNIP Depends where you get the kit.  Buy one from a small, conscientious, family business and you will be well served.  May I recommend www.wwdoak.com Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

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I’m new to fly fishing.  I would like to buy a fly tying kit (vise,ect…). It does not have to be new.  Does anyone have one to sell or know of anyplace that has good deals on complete kits? Curtis remove the nospam for email reply.

Curt, When I started tying I bought a Thompson Pro vice for $32.00 and only the tools and materials I needed to tie one type of fly. This way you don’t waste money on a kit which may contain cheap materials or materials that you’ll never use. I buy materials from a fly shop where you can examine the materials and get help. I have purchsed materials from Cabela’s and have been disappointed. Ron

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Harry, I would agree you don’t have a hobby, yours is an addiction.  Perhaps you should start going to Fly Tier’s Anonymous meetings. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hobby ? now that’s an interesting way to think of this "tying" thing. I have one complete room and most of a two car garage involved in this "hobby." I have more tyed up in hooks than my first car cost. In feathers, well lets say one year of tuition  at Cal Berkeley would be an equal and fair trade. I know, I have tried too trade   Harry < snip By the way, dyeing things is a neat hobby also…..

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Harry, I would agree you don’t have a hobby, yours is an addiction.  Perhaps you should start going to Fly Tier’s Anonymous meetings.

  Been there , done that  :-)   Harry (everyone there wanted flies)

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Harry, I would agree you don’t have a hobby, yours is an addiction.  Perhaps you should start going to Fly Tier’s Anonymous meetings.  Been there , done that  :-)  Harry (everyone there wanted flies)

Harry,  you went to the wrong lodge ! Where I was they all wanted pattern recipes for using up the most outlandish materials you ever heard of ! Like how to tie up ten thousand hoppers using the hair from the nether parts of white rhinoceroseesseess

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Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

Go to Chinatown in San Francisco.  You can get anything there. Tiger bones, bear gall bladders, wolf snouts, gorilla hands, jungle cock feathers — you name it, they’ll get it, if you have the do-re-mi. Just try not to look like a Fish and Game dude.         Steve Barnard

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Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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You should be able to find artificial jungle cock from some of the mail order houses. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L. Go to Chinatown in San Francisco.  You can get anything there. Tiger bones, bear gall bladders, wolf snouts, gorilla hands, jungle cock feathers — you name it, they’ll get it, if you have the do-re-mi. Just try not to look like a Fish and Game dude.    Steve Barnard

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Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

Hi S.R.L. We carry them in small packages in sizes and in whole necks from time to time. The necks are from domestically raised birds. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Two words – ill  legal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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Two words ill eagle – sick bird. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two words – ill  legal. Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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Two words – ill  legal.

I don’t believe that’s true anymore, as they are being raised domestically, as Bill Kiene pointed out.  Fly Fishing Only in Fairfield, Maine carries them.

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Hardly.  Domestically raised Jungle Cock is available from a variety of sources. Two words – ill  legal. Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Hi there,is it true in some states in USA jungle cock is ill legal?Here in ICELAND jungle cock it

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink — MZ

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!

Oh yeah ?!?!?!? Well…may you get the same thing, and break it when you drop your "Tickle Me Elmo" on it, which breaks as well… TimW

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer    May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!    Mr. Gink AND, that you live in a climate where you can’t use it for growing tomatoes! cheers,         -tgades

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Greetings, I’m moving to southeastern S. Dakota in a couple of weeks.  Any good suggestionsfor flyfishing opportunities to start with?  I’m not much into big water walleye spin fishing that I hear so much of in that part of the country.  Any trout? thanks,        curt Curt Anderson Dept. of Biological Sciences Northern Arizona University Flagstaff, AZ  86011

I think that there are some nice small streams in the Black Hills. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Curt, you’re along way from any trout.  Best try to find a good farm pond or small lake for some bluegills and bass.

How about trying Northeastern Nebraska. The State of Nebraska  has a page on fishing and hunting in the state. http:/adm-server.ngpc.state.ne.us/ I took a peek about six months ago and noticed that they stock streams in the northeastern part of Nebraska. Maybe South Dakota does somthing similar in tributaries to the Missouri?

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Greetings, I’m moving to southeastern S. Dakota in a couple of weeks.  Any good suggestionsfor flyfishing opportunities to start with?  I’m not much into big water walleye spin fishing that I hear so much of in that part of the country.  Any trout? thanks,         curt Curt Anderson Dept. of Biological Sciences Northern Arizona University Flagstaff, AZ  86011

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Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any business or profession can take for business-related expenses and available to just about anyone in any profession or business who qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of.

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: Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions : of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, : materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other : legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any : business or profession can take for business-related expenses and : available to just about anyone in any profession or business who : qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of. Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible.   (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible. (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. –Rick

I agree with you regarding the posting of this sort of commercial add.   Regarding travel and accomodations:  these expenses are deductable only if the primary purpose for which they were incurred relates to the educational seminar.  In other words, one cannot take a one day seminar in Montana, followed by 4 days of fly fishing and then write off the all of the travel and expenses.  I believe most of this topic is covered in 26 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Sec. 1.162-5 Expenses for education. A few examples from 26 CFR Sec 1.162-5 are set forth below, enjoy:     "Example (1). A, a self-employed tax practitioner, decides to take     a 1-week course in new developments in taxation, which is offered     in City X, 500 miles away from his home.  His primary purpose in     going to X is to take the course, but he also takes a side trip to     City Y (50 miles from X) for 1 day, takes a sightseeing trip while     in X, and entertains some personal friends.  A’s transportation     expenses to City X and return to his home are deductible but his     transportation expenses to City Y are not deductible.  A’s expenses     for meals and lodging while away from home will be allocated     between his educational pursuits and his personal activities.     Those expenses which are entirely personal, such as sightseeing and     entertaining friends, are not deductible to any extent.       Example (2). The facts are the same as in example (1) except that     A’s primary purpose in going to City X is to take a vacation.  This     purpose is indicated by several factors, one of which is the fact     that he spends only 1 week attending the tax course and devotes 5     weeks entirely to personal activities.  None of A’s transportation     expenses are deductible and his expenses for meals and lodging     while away from home are not deductible to the extent attributable     to personal activities.  His expenses for meals and lodging     allocable to the week attending the tax course are, however,     deductible.       Example (3). B, a high school mathematics teacher in New York     City, in the summertime travels to a university in California in     order to take a mathematics course the expense of which is     deductible under this section.  B pursues only one-fourth of a full     course of study and the remainder of her time is devoted to     personal activities the expense of which is not deductible.  Absent     a showing by B of a substantial nonpersonal reason for taking the     course in the university in California, the trip is considered     taken primarily for personal reasons and the cost of traveling from     New York City to California and return would not be deductible.     However, one-fourth of the cost of B’s meals and lodging while     attending the university in California may be considered properly     allocable to deductible educational pursuits and, therefore, is     deductible." If you realy want to see the rest of this code section, let me know. Andy

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Andy What if you "attend" a meeting for 30 minutes each day and have the rest of the day off? Each day would be a training day! DB

Caveat;  I’m no tax attorney, but I’ll give my two cents. The regs require that the primary purpose of the travel, lodging, etc. be for the educational seminar before the costs can be deducted.  Were I the IRS agent (not an enviable position), I would have to conclude that the primary purpose of a trip composed of 30 mins of educational seminar per day, followed by as many hours as one can fit in the rest of the day for fishing, would be fishing not professional education. Accordingly, travel, lodging, etc. expenses would not be deductible.  Maybe you would be allowed to prorate the expense, however.  That is, deduct expense in proportion to time spent on legit pursuits.  Well, legit according to the IRS, anyway. Exactly how much time you must spend in seminars per dya to make all expenses deductible, I don’t know.  I imagine that would be evalauted on a case-by-case basis. Andy

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Todd,     Visit Kaufmanns in Tigard try some parking lot casting and get a catalog. You might consider one of their schools.  The Anglers Club of Portland meets at the East Bank Saloon on the 2nd thursday of every month…not a bad place to start meeting people.  Members include many local and some national fishing luminaries.  I think Jim Shollmeyer, local guide, much published photographer and author will be speaker.                             Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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FWIW, on the Portland aspect of this thread there are lots of f.f. videos in the Multnomah County Library system; my college roommate learned to cast from the ones he checked out at the brach near us (I can’t remember the name, how sad…  Capitol Hill?  near PCC-Sylvania).  I expect the main library would have a listing of titles.  There are even fish in Johnson Creek in Milwaukie if you have a free evening– don’t know if I’d keep them to eat, but fun to chase if you don’t have time to leave town.   Also lots of toxic bass/panfish in the Columbia slough and some of the little lakes on Sauvie’s Island. Enjoy- — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University        Dept. of History                 "Nothing interesting occurred today…"         -Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806

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Fujinaka) writes: Do I take a class?

The short answer is yes.  It will save you years of trial and error and frustration.  It will also save you from spending lots of time correcting bad habits that you developed on your own.  I would recommend that you get instruction from a FFF Certified Fly Casting Instructor, or get references from from former students of a non-certified instructor.  Fly fishing clubs can be a good source for instruction though quality of instruction can be erratic. Do I watch a video?

 I would recommend a few:  "The Essence of Fly Casting (vol.1)"  by Mel Krieger. IMHO the best casting video so far.  Has little fishing info in it but a great treatise on casting.  "Skills of Fly Fishing" by Gary Borger. Gives lots of great info on equipment, knots, fishing a dry, nymph and streamer fly, all about water types, etc.   The weak point in this video is the casting, get the Krieger video for that.  Another good one that has been around for quite a while is "Anatomy of a Trout Stream" by Rick Haefle.  Even though he squints into the sun while he’s talking to you, the info is very good. Do I go to the expensive store in downtown Portland and let them have their way with me?

Depends on how they treat newbies.  If they realize your value to them as a long term customer, they will get you the best bang for your buck.  If not, they will try to sell you the moon.  Ask around about the reputation of the shop.  There are plenty in your area if the downtown one doesn’t work out.  It’s been about 8 years since I lived in your area, but I used to do business with "Stewart’s Custom Tackle" on Halsey out by Wood Village and "The Fly Shop" in Welches (near the junction of the Salmon River and the Sandy).  Both were reputable and helpful shops.  Ask around.   Mail order from Kaufmann’s in Tigard is safe as they will take back anything you order but don’t like when it arrives.                                                       Hope this helps,                                                                    Dan

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Sounds like a candidate for the most up to date fly fishing instruction you can own, Fly Fishing the McCloud River, the computer game sold at Orvis SF and other fine fly shops.  I think it is great. Right Dan!

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I’d like to know how to get started, and I can’t find a FAQ. I’ve WATCHED a lot of people fish, especially in Japan and I’ve always wanted to learn how to fly fish. Do I take a class? Do I watch a video? Do I go to the expensive store in downtown Portland and let them have their way with me? Even more regionally, I’m in NW Portland, away from the East County stores. Maybe I should mail order? Help! So far I’ve read two short stories by Hemmingway and half of _The Orvis Fly-Fishing Guide_. Oh, and _A River Runs Through It_. And I spent several hours standing in a the John Day near Monument, OR watching a friend fish the John Day (I caught a watch, but that’s another story). Thanks for any help! — Home is where you wear your hat.

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