"Upon reviewing A Modern Dry-Fly Code for this new edition I am struck by the remarkable intensity of the narrative, which seems a little strange to me now. For me fly-fishing was never a contemplative man’s recreation. I could never achieve the placidity or the detachment expressed in Izaak Walton’s Compleat Angler; since Walton practiced and wrote abut a blood sport, he and his book will remain forever anomalies in fishing literature. If anything, fly-fishing was and is for me a constant state of excitement, and my attitude is best likened to that of a hound dog joyously baying in full, hot pursuit of its quarry. True, there are many sections in the "Code" that seem to have philosophical flavor; but this is only because they represent some attempt to rationalize the behavior of trout and the imitations in the form of dry flies. The excitement that I mention was and is generated as much by the preliminary moves as by the ultimate capture of a trout. The mysteries of fly-fishing and the inscrutable ways of trout will forever fascinate me." Vincent C. Marinaro "A Modern Dry-Fly Code" Second Edition: My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of rivers and streams and I’m sure his beloved LeTort is still haunted by memories of many who have seen him fish it. I am struck by the words, as often said in "A River Runs Through It," "They are under the rocks of time . . . ," and never has anyone expressed my feelings about the ways of the trout better than what Vincent has portrayed in his masterful volume, "A Modern Dry-Fly Code". The older I get the more I seem to like to visit old friends through their literary works. It remember often sitting with these gentlemen, perhaps enjoying a libation after a nice meal and waxing about the world of fly fishing, the people involved in it at that time, and the many hours of pleasant conversations and pleasant thoughts. Vincent, as a fly tier, was more like a paint artist who was more of an impressionist then anything else. He was a man mindful of form and silhouette rather then a mechanical perfectionist. The deadliest fly creation Vincent has ever created from the world of terrestrials is his Jassid Series in my opinion. I doubt if many Roffians use this fly much at all because Vincent’s work is now considered "old hat" when in fact the man’s work is still light years ahead of the modern generation. I wouldn’t be caught naked without a tray full of Marinaro Jassid flies or beetles. It’s a shame so many modern fishermen are hypnotized by only aquatic insects in lieu of terra ferma crawlies, save the multi colored ants and hoppers? Ants can be found with most fly fishermen but when it comes to paying attention to the millions of tons of terrestrials that fall into America’s rivers, that is just about it. This is a sound premise to consider a fly exchange that deals only with terrestrials. Anyone who does fish a favorite terrestrial should submit it to me for entry into "Flies of the World" web site so it may be shared it around the world. Nothing is more fun than rereading this great work by Vincent which is well worth anyone’s time during this fly tying season. George Gehrke "A Look Backward"
"George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of
bliuztfrugmfjpk…… Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence." The older I get the more I seem to like to visit old friends through their literary works.
Which is the most amount of interaction you ever had with any of flyfishing’s great ones. Every time another great one dies and is unable to deny knowing you, he becomes your "dear old friend". What a lying sack of shit you are.
"George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of bliuztfrugmfjpk…… Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence."
Me and Ike and Julie had a big row about this sort of thing one time. They’d gotten in the habit of telling everybody we knew that we were like, REALLY close chums. Never could make them understand that it’s unseemly for students to presume that sort of familiarity with their mentor. Kids! Whattya gonna do with ‘em? 
Wolfgang
"a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously. Eugene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "George Gehrke" My old friend Vincent now fishes the most heavenly of bliuztfrugmfjpk…… Translation for those who don’t speak Schizophrenese- "I was sitting in my lonely little booth at a trade show one year and Vince walked by. I tried to offer him a free bottle of Fink but he ignored me. At least I was in his presence." Me and Ike and Julie had a big row about this sort of thing one time. They’d gotten in the habit of telling everybody we knew that we were like, REALLY close chums. Never could make them understand that it’s unseemly for students to presume that sort of familiarity with their mentor. Kids! Whattya gonna do with ‘em? Wolfgang
"a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously.
Uh huh…. But what did you think of the book itself? JR
its not one of my favorites, though sure its interesting. Eugene
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "a modern dry fly code" is one imposing title…like marinaro was some sort of existentialist fly fisherman or something…i think he and his posse took themselves pretty damn seriously. Uh huh…. But what did you think of the book itself? JR
Mr. Gehrke! Though I know of Mr. Marinaros
Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right? Thanks for your always very helpful answer guys! Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
There’s three more than a zillion to be found…….john
Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right? Thanks for your always very helpful answer guys! Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right?
Robert, try <http://www.mwflytying.com/patterns/fly_patterns_page.html Its a real nice site out of the US Midwest but has patterns and tips that are pretty global. I go there often. I’m currently tying up a bunch of the hellgrammite flies for "Rappin’ on the Rappahanock." Its an awesome pattern and easy to tie. The tip on tying in the rubber legs is great. Cheers, Frank Reid Before you buy.
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George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can! Cane if for when you discover that hertage and presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that the maker has spent some time on and not his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment. I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap. Terry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line. The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges. First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path. That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is. Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said: Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute: "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas: This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast! Jesus says: "You know ma? Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that.
Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador. Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’. We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"
<< I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that. George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts. They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics. Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you. You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you. However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off. We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go? There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars. Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA
Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line. The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges. First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path. That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is. Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said: Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute: "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas: This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast! Jesus says: "You know ma? Sometimes you really can piss me off."
The only saga that continues – your irrationality. There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone. So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter
Why don’t you just let ROFF go? There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars. Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA
__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing. It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area. Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too. You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany. They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with. What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough. Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon. Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving. There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side. The challenge still stands. — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients. http://www.gink.com/ Just talk fly fishing!
Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry
Talk fly fishing Harry. Talk fly fishing. Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing. It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.
Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."
. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line. The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.
Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.
Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line. The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges. First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path. That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is. Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said: Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute: "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas: This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast! Jesus says: "You know ma? Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing. Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line. The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges. First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path. That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is. Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said: Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute: "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas: This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast! Jesus says: "You know ma? Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
I am new to fly fishing, and can only cast about 20 Feet. I want to cast a fly tied on a 1/0 hook. Basic tips on casting welcome.
from One newbie to another?? Take a couple of casting lessons from the local fly shop and then work on catching the fish that only SIT 20 feet away.. I have caught more 20 feet from shore than wading out into the middle of the damn river or stream!. Be patient and listen to the wise ones that write and lurk here<G they have helped me out a ton and patience grasshopper is the name of the game Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly fishing, and can only cast about 20 Feet. I want to cast a fly tied on a 1/0 hook. Basic tips on casting welcome.
I always tell beginning casters to watch their backcast (among other things). Let the line straighten behind you before beginning your forward cast. This seems to be a big help in getting a feel for the rhythm. Kevin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Now if I could just make a pair of waders out of Hefty Garbage Sacks and bungee cords, I’d be set…. [deleted] Well…not bungee cords, but you can use those tall trash sacks with the handle ties for hippers. Make yourself a pair of duct tape booties and you’ll fishing in high style. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Reminds of something I saw on the Chilliwack River a few years back: there was a nice backwater full of coho on the other side of the river but the water was low enough to ford. I saw a guy waring rain pants duck taped to rubber boots fishing the backwater. I wrinkled my brow and wondered how well that worked. I was skeptical it could keep much water from finding its way into his boots. About an hour later he confirmed my skepticism by peeling off the tape and emptying a guart or more water from each boot. OTH I’ve heard tell that some winter steelheaders modify neoprene waders by cutting the worn boots off and gluing them to a pair of water proof snowmobiling boots with aquaseal or goop: the trick is to fit the neoprene leg over an empty coffee can to widen it then slip the can into the boot and pull the neoprene over the boot and apply copious amounts of glue. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
[deleted] Now if I could just make a pair of waders out of Hefty Garbage Sacks and bungee cords, I’d be set….
[deleted] Well…not bungee cords, but you can use those tall trash sacks with the handle ties for hippers. Make yourself a pair of duct tape booties and you’ll fishing in high style. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Although I know how to finish a fly with a hand whip finish, I use the Matarelli tool for this purpose. Why? Because it’s neater, the thread is less apt to fray or break, I can place the wraps where I want anywhere along the shank and it might be faster. It’s a small investment for a tool that will last a lifetime(unless you lose it as I did). Agree completely – get a Matarelli – I’ve had mine close to 20 years. Looks and works just like new. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
Agree completely with Ralph H., Matarelli makes the best whip finisher – and there instructions enclosed. Its real advantage for us with rough hands.
Didn’t we have this thread about a year ago? Guys spaming each other on" to use or not to use" a whip finisher? Is this dream? Joel Axelrad
Thanks for the neat idea, Bob — I just made myself one of these and tried it out tonight. It worked great! Now if I could just make a pair of waders out of Hefty Garbage Sacks and bungee cords, I’d be set…. Thanks again! R.S. Heaton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Try making yourself the World’s Cheapest Hackle Guard (remainder of cool idea snipped)
I have a Griffin and would not think of tying without it. They are cheap enough. I suggest just buying one and trying it. You’re not out much if you decide that it does not suit your style.
I prefer to whip finish by hand. Try both the tools are not that expensive and see what you prefer.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Try making yourself the World’s Cheapest Hackle Guard. Take a soda straw, cut yourself off a piece about half an inch long or so, and slit it lengthwise. When you need to use it just slide it on the fly and over the hackle. The thread from the bobbin just gets passed along the slit and is thus free to tie with after the guard is in place. Then, with the hackle safely bound down, you can whip-finish and cement your fly and be very proud of your results. I’ve bought several sets of hackle guards of various shapes, sizes, and styles over the years and find that the simple "slit soda straw" works better than any of them. I hope this helps. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Neat idea, I’ll give it a whirl. Peter Peter Merry Christmas
0] : … : Does anyone : here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? : … : Pierre I am not going to disagree with either camp on using or not using a tool here. I’ll just add something I have lately discovered that applies to either for small flies and fine thread. If you rub some beeswax (or I suppose parafin) on the part of the thread that’s going to be in the finish, the friction of drawing it up melts the wax and lubricates as it snaps into place, and then sets so you don’t need to use head cement. I find that I don’t break 8/0 thread at this step nearly as much when I do this, and I don’t end up with cement clogged eyes. Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories (remove x’s from email if not Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971 a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491
Peter, a hackle guard may help – you can make these fairly easily.
I tried hackle guards but I don’t have enough hands to manage thread, whip finisher and hackle guard at the same time. No talent, I guess. Also ballpoint pen shafts make good half-hitch tools. With a bit of ferreting through some desk drawers you can find a few sizes; "BIC" style pens are a big tool (better for packing spun deer hair) while the old Paper mate style will service the smallest flies you tie.
Great cheap solution, though mine were given to me when a fellow ff’er cleaned out his junk. I wouldn’t want to pay some of those prices now. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
Peter Merry Christmas
Pierre, I was taught to do a one hand whip finish many years ago. I have tried to use a whip finish tool and never felt that I had the same control of the thread. I can place each wrap exactly where I want it with my hand and keep the thread taught. Never felt I had the same control with the whip finish tools I’ve tried. Of course, I never gave them a lot of use. I will say that with the technique I use it helps to have good vision (the only body equipment that still works as originally designed) but this is probably true for any fly head finishing. Good luck. I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
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with my eyes I could whip without a toll… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
My half hitch tool has a dubbing pick on one end which I use to clean hook eyes and the other end has a half hitch tool which I use for compressing spun deer hair. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Make your own Tapered Leaders, Wading Boots, Fly Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh
(Peter Charles) says: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pierre The half-hitch tool enables you to position the loop exactly where you want it as well as push back those stray hackle barbs that always end up pointing forward. With a whip, you usually end up tying over the strays and having to clip them afterward. I suppose, If I wound hackle better, I wouldn’t have this problem but that’s another thread. Peter, a hackle guard may help – you can make these fairly easily. Also ballpoint pen shafts make good half-hitch tools. With a bit of ferreting through some desk drawers you can find a few sizes; "BIC" style pens are a big tool (better for packing spun deer hair) while the old Paper mate style will service the smallest flies you tie. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
I am not a precise fly tier and have found that the more beat up a fly gets, the better the trout like it. A whip finishing tool is just an additional step in the tying process and an additional tool on my workspace. The trout don’t seem to mind if I overlay a wrap or two when tying off the head. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Make your own Tapered Leaders, Wading Boots, Fly Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Although I know how to finish a fly with a hand whip finish, I use the Matarelli tool for this purpose. Why? Because it’s neater, the thread is less apt to fray or break, I can place the wraps where I want anywhere along the shank and it might be faster. It’s a small investment for a tool that will last a lifetime(unless you lose it as I did). Agree completely – get a Matarelli – I’ve had mine close to 20 years. Looks and works just like new. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice!
I’ve got a Griffin whip-finisher and consider it essential. I *can* do a hand whip-finish but I find the tool helps me position the thread better which is very important on small dries with hackle near the eye. I figured out how to use mine from the directions which came with it, and it only took a minute to get it right. I suggest that you practice on a bare hook – that way you can figure out how everything is supposed to work without the pressure of having to get it right Or Else..! :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
With a whip, you usually end up tying over the strays and having to clip them afterward. I suppose, If I wound hackle better, I wouldn’t have this problem but that’s another thread.
Try making yourself the World’s Cheapest Hackle Guard. Take a soda straw, cut yourself off a piece about half an inch long or so, and slit it lengthwise. When you need to use it just slide it on the fly and over the hackle. The thread from the bobbin just gets passed along the slit and is thus free to tie with after the guard is in place. Then, with the hackle safely bound down, you can whip-finish and cement your fly and be very proud of your results. I’ve bought several sets of hackle guards of various shapes, sizes, and styles over the years and find that the simple "slit soda straw" works better than any of them. I hope this helps. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Pierre
The half-hitch tool enables you to position the loop exactly where you want it as well as push back those stray hackle barbs that always end up pointing forward. With a whip, you usually end up tying over the strays and having to clip them afterward. I suppose, If I wound hackle better, I wouldn’t have this problem but that’s another thread.
Peter, a hackle guard may help – you can make these fairly easily. Also ballpoint pen shafts make good half-hitch tools. With a bit of ferreting through some desk drawers you can find a few sizes; "BIC" style pens are a big tool (better for packing spun deer hair) while the old Paper mate style will service the smallest flies you tie. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
Never use ‘em on standard hackled dry flies anymore, almost always use a half hitch tool these days. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
Although I know how to finish a fly with a hand whip finish, I use the Matarelli tool for this purpose. Why? Because it’s neater, the thread is less apt to fray or break, I can place the wraps where I want anywhere along the shank and it might be faster. It’s a small investment for a tool that will last a lifetime(unless you lose it as I did).
Agree completely – get a Matarelli – I’ve had mine close to 20 years. Looks and works just like new. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet
Hi Pierre, a whip finishing tool is great for finishing off flies. I know many people are proud of the fact that they dont use one, but I find the tool of immense value. You can place your whips exactly without fear of trapping hackle etc, and the resulting knot is very reliable. Have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com Beginning Fly-tying by Al.Campbell, both types of whip finisher the English style, and the rotary style are described there.
I recommend http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/flytying/index.htm for an excellent illustrated description of how to use a whip finish tool, along with other helpful advice for beginners (like me). — something bogus to avoid spam)
I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
Pierre I use it on some flies, a half-hitch tool on others and just my fingers on some. It really depends on the size of the fly. I find half-hitch tools better for small dries, whip finishers better for salmon, spey etc. But that’s just my preference. The half-hitch tool enables you to position the loop exactly where you want it as well as push back those stray hackle barbs that always end up pointing forward. With a whip, you usually end up tying over the strays and having to clip them afterward. I suppose, If I wound hackle better, I wouldn’t have this problem but that’s another thread. Take the time to learn it but get a set of half-hitch tools too. Peter Peter Merry Christmas
Although I know how to finish a fly with a hand whip finish, I use the Matarelli tool for this purpose. Why? Because it’s neater, the thread is less apt to fray or break, I can place the wraps where I want anywhere along the shank and it might be faster. It’s a small investment for a tool that will last a lifetime(unless you lose it as I did).
I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
Hi Pierre, a whip finishing tool is great for finishing off flies. I know many people are proud of the fact that they dont use one, but I find the tool of immense value. You can place your whips exactly without fear of trapping hackle etc, and the resulting knot is very reliable. Have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com Beginning Fly-tying by Al.Campbell, both types of whip finisher the English style, and the rotary style are described there. Tight lines ! Mike Connor
I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
Pierre; I can’t imagine finishing a fly without one. Get one, you will never look back. john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been taking some fly tying classes and am really enjoying the lessons and seeing the quality of work that I am able to produce under the guidance of an experienced tyer! One of the questions I have for this group that has yet to fail me bye the way<G is this… Does anyone here use a whip finishing tool to tie the ends of their flies?? I have been wondering if this is worth mastering because I work in a hospital and have no problem doing the whip procedure it is used in closing stitches and such but at the end of some of the flies when you are close to the eye I find it very difficult to get the line to stay on the hook! Would tying to master this tool help me in my predicament there?? Thanks in advance for the words of advice! Pierre
Let’s Get Us a Real River! The Red Cedar is the second biggest feature of our local natural heritage (first being farmland). But the river is vastly under-maintained, even though it’s vital to us. We impact it a lot and have great expectations of it. Why not see if there might be a way to improve the situation and start reaping the benefits that a quality river can give? What’s the river like now? A muddy ditch with a mucky bottom that floods when it doesn
Flyfishing has without question introduced me to some of my best friends. People whom, without the glue of our gentle sport, would most likely never have gotten the opportunity to know one another. I think this, more than most else, is what I am most grateful for as I think back on the countless seasons spent on lake, stream and river; the thousands of hours on the road chasing our fishes; the many many campfires that always seem to end up too large. This quality of flyfishing, it’s universal appeal to those so inclined – to bring us to a point where sharing opinions on any topic becomes as easy and comfortable as discussing what fly to use, this I feel is my
I’d have to agree with you on what flyfishing can do for a soul, and I’ll throw in another: those other fishermen I have met and helped, or met and been helped by, never to be seen again. Sharing moments never to be shared again, but never to be forgotten. There are a lot of GOOD people out there and its nice to meet them in some of the finest places on earth.
Anyone know how to calculate the age of the moon for a given date, lat and lon? Don Wise
Anyone know how to calculate the age of the moon for a given date, lat and lon? Don Wise
There is a shareware (i believe) progran called ‘earthwatch’ (ew.com). It is a dos program that displays the a map of the earth, time zones, positions of the sun and moon. you can specify a point on the earth (lat, lon) and the day and time, and the screen will display the positions of the sun and moon, phase, etc. If you would like a copy, email me, and i will forward (assuming your email supports binary transfers.) Brent copyright Brent Borg 1996. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part, without license. License to distribute this work is available to Microsoft at $500. Transmission without permission constitutes an agreement to these terms.
Anyone know how to calculate the age of the moon for a given date, lat and lon?
The Fish ‘N Time Watch by Casio is excellent. TimW
Anyone know how to calculate the age of the moon for a given date, lat and lon? Don Wise
You might want to try the news group "sci.astro.amateur" I’m sure they can help. Jerry
Anyone know how to calculate the age of the moon for a given date, lat and lon? Don Wise
The Old Farmer’s Almanac also has information about many weather/atmosphere related topics including moon information. They can be reached at http://www.almanac.com Check their menu listing "heavenly bodies". Best Regards, Trent Roberson Rx F Fish For Your Good Health, Fly Fish URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish
Any recommendations for best time of year for Cuba and best camp for bonefish please Many thanks — Charles Reaves
Hi Charles, May is prime time in the Caribbean for this type of flats fishing. Take a look at this article: http://flyfishing.about.com/library/ffm/cuba/aacuba.htm There is only one operation in the cays south of Cuba and it is an Italian company, Jardinas. It is compared to the Florida Keys 50 years ago. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations for best time of year for Cuba and best camp for bonefish please Many thanks — Charles Reaves
I am looking for information – guides, places, tips… for a fall trip to Cuba. Any thoughts or help will be much appreciated. Capt. Joe Evans, Annapolis, Md.
I am always looking for items with "trout" on them. Notecards, art, household items, novelties, etc. If anyone knows any interesting websites, stores, etc., with "trout" gifts for sale, please email me. Thanx.
I used to fish Cuba until the U.S. Customs Department shut us down. You had better check with them before trying a trip. Dealing with Cuba and spending money in their country can be thought of as a traitorist act in their eyes. Ace
try ORvis
James Prosek, Trout, an illustrated histroy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – try ORvis
To whom it may concern: I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup. Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.
The "formula" for slinkies is something like the following (sometimes I make them; sometimes I buy them – I’m an amature at this): You start with hollow nylon cord. Strong cord is called parachute cord, but you can also find this in any hardware/Kmart/etc. as drapery cord. I also got some from the camping section. It is a woven nylon cord with another nylon string/cord inside. You start by cutting it somewhere and extracting the inside cord, leaving a hollow core. You need a small butane lihgter for the next steps. the cord is cut into small lengths, ranging from 2 to 4" in length. Take the butane lighter, heat one end of a strip to the melting point and close it. You can use a piece of paper or cardboard to do this and prevent small burns and nylon sticking to your fingers. Then you fill the tube with split shot, using size 6’s or 8’s. The little tubes will take about 4, and the big tubes will take up to 8 or so. In this manner, you will be able to adjust the weight you use, depending on the current where you are fishing. The next step, of course, is to close the tube. You push the spli shots down close to each other, against the closed end, and then you heat the other end. Repeat the process for closing it up. You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind. I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your leader?
writes: You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind. I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your
leader? I find it interesting what people will do just to say they are flyfishing. There is a perfect rig for this outfit, it is called spinning. Ernie Harrison
To whom it may concern: I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup. Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.
If you’re not losing hooks and lead on the bottom, you are not trying hard enough. A simple way to go deep is to double a short length of nylon over your leader (with one shot to hold it in place) and add as many shots as you need to get the depth. When they hang, with luck they will slide off the end and you’ll get most of your terminal tackle back. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
To whom it may concern: I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup. Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these. I was told parachute cord and buckshot. I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials.
Unless you’re into S&M, slinkys and flycasting don’t mix. A better bet is to make small "mini heads" out of lead core trolling line. Cut the leadcore into several six and twelve inch segments. Whip a loop onto each end of these segments. You can now loop these to the end of your leader in any combination you please. To make an thirty inch head loop two twelve’s and six incher together and so on. Tie the tippet directly to the terminal loop of your head. The result is a relatively easy mess to cast that will get you *down* and doesn’t tend to hang up. Excellent system when fishing surf on rocky coast lines where every cast gets wrapped in crud. Tight lines and open loops, Ralph
You can buy "Quick Kits" that include the cord, pre-stuffed with shot. Contact: Scott Eno, P.O. Box 373, N. Syracuse, NY 13212. In some tackle shops, his one ounce kit sells for $6.95. If you should decide to buy the shot and cord separately, I urge you NOT to cut the cord to length before stuffing the shot into them. Do what Scott Eno has done: stuff the entire cord with shot (one end sealed with a lighter/candle) then just cut and singe to the size you desire. Cutting the cord first leads to wasted cord as it readily unravels when you stuff the shot in.
To whom it may concern: I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup. Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these. I was told parachute cord and buckshot. I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons
Bob, in CA we take green paracute cord and singe the end with a match. Then stuff with BBs or other shot to desired weight and singe the remaining end. Clip this onto a snap swivel to place on your line ahead of the lure or bait. I never heard of this for fly fishing but it is popular with bait fisherman in salmon and steelhead water. To whom it may concern: I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup. Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these. I was told parachute cord and buckshot. I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons
– Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"