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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Hi Mike,     The Bay Area is an absolute nightmare to obtain hanger space.  Most of the airports have LONG waiting lists (like three years).  I think you really only have two options while you wait for a hanger to become available. 1) Settle for a tie-down instead of a hanger (much more available) 2) Hanger your planes much farther away at an outlying bay-area community though they can be just as bad. Even here in the Sacramento valley hangers are at a premium.  I wish I could afford moving to one of the communities where you can taxi your plane into your house-hanger. Good luck, Jeff Wiens N19480

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here.

I met someone the other day who lives in San Jose and said he had just gotten a hangar in Concord.  That’s a drive I would get tired of very fast, but it might be the best you can do. Walter

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Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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I used to live in Novato and I can tell you that I have frequently flown the approach to Gnoss (and Petaluma) and reached minimums before reaching the TOP of the clouds.   I usually fly there in the summer to go fishing in Tomales Bay, so I need to get in early..  I would not want to be based there. Mike MU-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework.

"Facts, schmacts. Anyone can prove anything even remotely true with facts." -Homer Simpson — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. Paul

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap.

I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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I was a fast learner.

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

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I was a fast learner.

I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ?

My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record. — Ken Fortenberry

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I figured that’s what you meant Paul

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him.

As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record.

I know it’s Public, and the fact you have it book marked  is mind boggling. Ken Fortenberry

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

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As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

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… The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98…

LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

 I’m sorry, I had not realized how deep the mutual animosity was here. Harry Mason www.troutflies.com How much is  Lexis-Nexis ? …think of the fun we could all have…..

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I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

in other words " expose the man for what he really is……" is that it ?  Never mind ,I ‘m sorry  I got into this. I expect that kind vitriolic ranting of George, that is what he does. I was disappointed in Kens rather obsessed Crusade to Purge us of The George.   Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Maxx, I’ve looked into this NG on and off for a few years, and in that time any number of people have responded to George in endless variations of each of your two options.  I don’t know why folks, if they’re really bothered, don’t just filter out his posts (and replies with his name in them) and get on with life. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere.

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Ah, Mad (if I may call you by your first name ;^) it is a dilemma indeed. The buffoon clearly loves to see his name in print – no matter the context. If a vat of vomit were to pour from the sky with his name embedded within, he’d take that as a sign of acceptance. Over the past winter, when he was the recipient of the first – and so far, only – mass-killfile effort, this place was truly blessed with his absence. Thus we can only hope that another good non-violent shunning will accomplish the same goal. If not, well, there’s always that classic tome, "The Original Book of Gink" to invoke once again to help any newbies see what a twisted freak he is. He can never escape his own words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere. … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… ~2 LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A WEE FLY There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure.  Since it had been hours since her last meal and she was feeling terrible hunger pangs, she flew down to the irresistible delicacy and began to munch out. She ate . . . And ate . . . And then . . . she ate some more! Finally, she decided she’d had plenty.  She washed her face with her tiny front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas . . . she had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground! She looked around, wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation, when she spotted a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall.  She’d found a solution!  For she believed that if she could just become airborne, she’d be able to fly again. And so . . . she slowly made her way up to the top of the handle.  Once there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leapt confidently into the air . . . and then dropped like a rock, and splattered all over the floor . . . The moral of this sad story? Never fly off the handle when you know you’re full of shit. -Anonymous- Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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from Mr G, Ken is a different story. So Harry, You question a post that reflects negatively on George and he calls you an idiot. Sounds about right.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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 Yes Sir I very much do ,thanks for reminding me. Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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For sake of good order, a few misconceptions have been raised regarding what we’ve been able to do when approaching our first year of Production Line Manufacturing of Bamboo Fly Rods.  This Bastard Project started back in January of 2000.  That was TEN MONTHS ago. The fact is, it took the Gehrke’s Gink Company FIVE – SIX MONTHS of production line construction just building the plant and equipment. This alone was a Herculean effort and required a filthy amount of financial investment just to fulfill a dare.  Simple logic and reason reveals that we have been able to produce nearly 75 fly rods in only FIVE Months, not one year.  With zero production in the first half year, this is an amazing achievement.  Yet, if anyone wishes to ‘include’ the hundreds and hundreds of hours it took inventing a new production line, then producing this number of fly rods over a years time is no big deal, we suppose? Well, guess what?  The production line has been down for two months due to me going through some serious operations at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota.  So everyone can now understand that we produced nearly 75 fly rods in not FIVE Months but actually in only THREE MONTHS with only one production line. Building bamboo fly rods requires attention to details and a high degree of quality control.  Presently, we are construction more production lines to service the demands made upon our product.  We expect to manufacture a thousand various units a year starting within this first year.  This will begin BEFORE the year 2001.  We will start our 2001 Bastard Bamboo Series before this year’s end.  I regard this as a remarkable adventure.  Those that wish to continue to debase a sincere effort for the world of fly fishing, so be it.  The promise we are keeping is to produce bamboo fly rods at prices the common working man can afford.  I think we are doing that, even though we should increase our prices, we are doing everything in our power to keep these beautiful fly rods affordable for everyone, if possible, and even DECREASE prices for them. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [dribble snipped] — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours.

_____  You’re full of shit. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues

_____ The humor regarding #12 eludes you. Secondly, your callous nature and bitching is a waste of time and you’re nothing but a trolley. Thirdly, I do not post here often anymore but said I would, now and then. Wash your ears out or get reading glasses. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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The spew continues

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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… The spew continues

It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dear Mr Gink, As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework. On YOUR website (http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastard_monthly_archives.html) you have a monthly update starting in January of 1999. In the july 99 update there is a picture (dated 11-july-99) of you signing the first Bastard bamboo. In the Aug 99 update there is mention of Doug casting #20 The nov99 update marks the introduction of the black raven "The events began in January of this year and six months of the effort involved just constructing the Bamboo Production Line.  The final six months began with two months just learning how to make a bamboo fly rod.  In four months of actual serious rod making we have produced a little less than 50 fly rods in four months. " So according to your website youve been at this for nearly 2 years. You make more "mis-statements" than Reagan and Quayle combined. First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. _____  You’re full of shit.

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Just got back a few days ago from a trip to Montana, where the fishing was so good it is almost embarrassing.  Just recounting the straight facts is going to sound like shameless bragging. I met up with my dad, who lives in Butte, MT, and from there we went to the Missouri River below Holter Dam, about halfway between Helena and Great Falls.  Everything was dry, dry, dry.  They are into the second year of drought in that area, and it shows.  The valley, which should be as green as a golf course in May, is brown and parched like you would expect in late August.  The river was running at about 4000 cfs, which is about half of the normal flow for this time of year.  The air was so dry it sucked the moisture right out of you — we were drinking water constantly, and still felt dehydrated, and we were using hand lotion by the quart, and it didn’t seem to help. Day 1 — We pulled into the campground in mid-afternoon, the Wed. before Memorial Day.   Set up camp, got our gear together, made dinner.  Got onto the water close to sundown.  We took advantage of the low water and waded across to an island out in front of the campground, that would have been totally inaccessible in a normal year.  There were caddises, baetis, PMDs, and midges in the air, and there were sporadic splashy rises, but I never got anything on dries.  I had much better luck with soft-hackle nymphs, cast across or quartering downstream, and the takes usually came at the bottom of the swing.  Just a few minutes after we started, I saw something moving in ankle-deep water, flicked my nymph at it, and it was charged by an 18 inch brown.  Ten minutes into the new season, and I have the best trout I’ve caught in several years. Not bad.  I end up catching four more fish, all rainbows, on nymphs. These are big solid muscular fish, with small heads and broad flanks.  They hit the fly aggressively and jump repeatedly.  They are a challenge to land on my St. Croix Legend Ultra 7′6" 3 wt. rod (every good outdoor writer has to include the brand names of their gear, eh?) Day 2 — Up at 4am to meet up with Doug Garcia from Helena.  This is the front half of a trade-a-trip arrangement:  he takes me floating on the Missouri in exchange some pike fishing here in North Dakota.  Doug’s thing is getting up really early to beat the crowds (and he is right – we see hardly anybody out fishing before noon the whole time we are there) and fishing with streamers.  Now I am fishing with a Powell 7 wt and a fast sinking line, and chucking (I can’t really call it casting) big conehead woolly buggers and the like up against the bank, and stripping them back as fast as possible.  When the light is just right, you can see fish chasing after the streamer.  When you can see the fish’s mouth open and close it takes a huge amount of willpower to not set the hook too soon.  Today, the sun is just too bright, and the fish aren’t too cooperative, but I catch 1 brown and 3 rainbows, all about 14-16 inches long, and my dad does about the same. There had never been any talk of a second day on the drift boat, but halfway throught the float, Doug starts making plans for tomorrow’s fishing.  I take this as meaning we have passed the test, are decent guys who know how to fish.  I feel pretty flattered by this. In the evening, we walk back to the island.  The wind is blowing, so there isn’t any hatch that we can see, but we still do well on nymphs, each taking about a half a dozen nice rainbows, all between 12 and 16 inches. Day 3 — Up at 4am again, back on the boat.  Today the skies are overcast, with a bit of drizzle occasionally.  The weather helps make the fish more cooperative. I end up catching 4 rainbows, all about 15 inches or so, a 13 inch brown, and finish the day with a 20 inch brown (this is actually measured in front of witnesses.   If had been just guessing, I would have probably said it was a lot bigger.)  My dad also catches about a half a dozen fish, all nice size, and Doug catches a few too when I spell him at the oars.  This is exhausting fishing — after two straight days of it, we are whipped.  No evening fishing for us. Day 4 — Wake up at 6am, see that it is getting light out, think about going fishing. Close my eyes until the feeling goes away.  We go out fishing in the afternoon. It is the Saturday of the holiday weekend, and there are fishermen everywhere. It’s hard to find a spot to fish.  I only catch one fish, but it’s a beauty of a rainbow. I lay my rod down next to it and it is just a bit longer than the distance from the end of the grip to the stripping guide, which I later measure to be 19 inches. Back to our island in the evening, and I catch 8 rainbows, most of them around 15-16 inches long, all fat and strong.  I have to kick myself mentally when I catch myself thinking of a 12 inch ‘bow as being just a little fish.   Dad does just as well. Day 5 — Get up at 5, float the river on some borrowed kickboats (or catarafts, or whatever you call them.)  Decide that they are an enormous amount of fun — like fishing from a floating Barcalounger.  I also find that I am not nearly coordinated enough to fish and steer at the same time in any kind of a current, so we mostly use them to island-hop our way down the river.  Only catch a few fish, including a big fat whitefish, the only one of the trip.  I have to leave the next day, so I spend the evening packing up our stuff, but Dad heads back out to our island, stays out late, and comes back with a big smile on his face. The next day we drive home to ND mostly without incident.  We do blow a tire on the camper, and later walk into a fairly respectable restaurant in Williston, caked with dirt from head to toe from changing the damn tire, but otherwise all is well. The Missouri river valley is heart-breakingly beautiful, and the wildflowers are in full bloom, and we have seen lots of wildlife and birds while we are there.  I heartily recommend it to anyone.  Just get up early if you want to fish without a crowd. Doug Garcia was a generous host, a great guide, and if you’re reading this, Doug, I can’t wait to fish with you again sometime. Kevin

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Sounds like you had a really nice trip. Thanks for the report. TL MC — "Humour is a great comfort in adversity" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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fly aggressively and jump repeatedly.  They are a challenge to land on my St. Croix Legend Ultra 7′6" 3 wt. rod (every good outdoor writer has to include the brand names of their gear, eh?)

You aren’t implying that it’s a poor fish fighting tool, right? 5 days of fishing with your dad.  Hmmmm….. Mu

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fly aggressively and jump repeatedly.  They are a challenge to land on my St. Croix Legend Ultra 7′6" 3 wt. rod (every good outdoor writer has to include the brand names of their gear, eh?) You aren’t implying that it’s a poor fish fighting tool, right?

I gotta admit, a 3 wt. isn’t the most efficient fighting tool.  Fortunately the water wasn’t very fast.  If there had been a swifter current, I probably would have gone to a bigger rod.  You can get the job done though. My home waters are pike lakes in North Dakota, and after flinging big streamers with the heavy rod, when I finally get to a trout river it’s so much fun to use the 3 wt. that it’s about the only rod I use. 5 days of fishing with your dad.  Hmmmm….

No problem there.  After all these years, he’s still my favorite fishing partner, and the only close contenders are my own kids, who are still a bit young for serious fishing.  And since he is 60 and I am pushing 40, though I hope we have a lot of good years left, we clearly don’t have forever. Father’s Day is coming up.  Take your dad fishing.  Or if that won’t work, take your kids fishing, so you will have somebody who wants to fish with you when you are an old fart. Kevin

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make any difference what I write about.  They will always be there.  The idea is to learn how to nymph fish with words so as to avoid them.  I suppose I will have to nymph fish with just a bare hook from now on? LOL! Actually, WINTER is like fly fishing.  It is a contemplative man’s sport.  It is a good season and the time to get those flies tied and to clean out all the beat up flies and give them to our children.  (Or to those who don’t tie but still like to fly fish).   While the eastern sea board of this country enjoy the blanket of snow that has been so long overdue so that they can have a fresh water supply later into the year then of the recent past, I can visualize Walt Winter, Tom Brown, Wayne Harrison, Jeff Miller, and other gentlemen of the realm, sipping a libation and tying those diminutive little creations that fool very big fish. Fly-Maker’s Wax could/should be mentioned here because since Mike Overton’s untimely death, this is the improved product that originally was Wonder Wax.  What is amazing about having a nice wax on the fly tying bench is that these tubes last for over ten or more years for the majority of fly tiers.  For the commercial tier, they don’t last as long.  Maybe a year or a little more. What I want to talk about is fly tying wax at the vise site.  With the choice we use, there are some interesting features regarding the old and new formulas that cannot be found in any other waxes in the world.   When dubbing, the idea is to understand that "The Smaller the Fly, The Greater the Need" when it comes to using wax or not.  This is because greater control is required to lay the small amount of dubbing on a size #22 hook in such a manner as to form the body shape that is defined, not guessed at.   With the tube of wax right at hand, I have two basic choices on how to apply the wax and/or dubbing.  The first way is to simply stroke a little wax down the dubbing section of the thread to be used.  The second way is to take the shooting finger of your hand and simply rubbing it across the wax and then take a little dubbing and apply it to the thread, spinning in only one direction.   After one uses the latter method, a secret few know is if one has a little cloth on their lap, it is a simple matter to use just PRESSURE and the wax comes off the finger tips.  This wax grabs or releases depending upon the amount of pressure applied.  It is the only wax in the industry that will do this. I like perfectly formed flies.  They should almost look like the real thing.  The personality of fly tying materials are as varied as one could hope for.  Some of it needs to be forced into behaving correctly. A good Fly-Tying Wax will do that. A good wax will also help preserve the threads used that bind a fly for well over a hundred years.  The wax must have as near a neutral bouyance as possible.  In the water, it should not try to float the fly nor sink it.  That feature should be left up to other means. What about scents used in some brands of waxes is a personal choice, I suppose.  We don’t do that as our product has its own distinctive wax oder.  It comes from the base bee’s wax that is found in only one part of the United States and is a guarded secret.  To be perfectly frank, we suspect trout have no objection to ours on a sensory level.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose. If you wish to know more about fly tying waxes, visit the url below. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html http://www.gink.com/

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

______  If and when we do, I’ll let you know.  I’d appreciate it if you would stick to fly fishing Plado.   Thank you, Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html

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I made a three day trip of the Halloween weekend and went up to Northern California to fish Hat Creek and the Sacramento River.  I got away at 4:30 am Friday and was on Hat Creek at the Power House Riffle by 10.  I actually had it to myself for the first half hour or so.  There were a few BWO’s hatching, but not much surface action.  I fished very small soft hackles, 18’s and 20’s and took a few small fish.  Then all was quiet until late afternoon.  Several people came and fished the riffles, setting up homestead sites in prime locations, swinging their weighted, indicatored nymphs hour after hour.  The motion reminded me of nothing so much as one of those oilfield grasshopper pumps. I didn’t see them catch much, and I don’t have the patience to stand in one spot that long, so I didn’t indulge. Then about 4:30 the fish turned it on.  There had been sporadic BWO’s all day long, but the fish finally got interested.  I fished "under the hatch" swinging a small green bodied soft hackle in the water just below the riffle.  At one stage I was getting at least a bump on every cast.  I brought a number of good fish to hand, and several other strong pullers got loose.  I didn’t break any of them off.  I have taken a hint from Sylvester Nemes’ books on soft hackles and use quite strong tippets with even the smallest flies–4x with #20’s.  The notoriously picky fish of Hat Creek don’t seem to be leader shy to flies presented this way.  The only concession I made to size was to tie the fly on inside a surgeon’s loop for a bit freer action. The action continued until it got too dark to fish.  I had arranged to stay at a place I had just recently heard of–Pit River Lodge.  It’s only a couple of miles east of where Hat Creek crosses state route 299.  It was originally the work camp for the construction of the Pit River #1 Power House in the 20’s.  It became an executive retreat for Pacific Gas and Electric until they sold it a couple of years ago.  It’s a fine piece of craftsman gothic wooden architecture.  They have a restaurant on the premises but no liquour license yet–you’re welcome to byo.  A bottle of Bowmore’s Islay single malt in my luggage was a comfort.  The folks that run it are still learning the business and parts of it could be improved, but it’s nice and quiet, no TV’s, and the rates are quite reasonable.  Check it out if you are fishing the area.  There’s a web site http://www.pitriverlodge.com The next day, Saturday, on Hat Creek was pretty much a repeat of the first. Sunday I drove route 89 over to the upper Sacramento near the town of Mt. Shasta.  It was a beautiful hour drive over there with fall color being about as good as it gets for California. Take note though, the red stuff is mostly poison oak.  The weather was clear and the 14000 foot volcano of Mt.   Shasta had a dusting of snow.  I got on the river near the Cantara loop, site of the notorious herbicide spill in 1991.  October caddis were quite in evidence, but in three hours fishing I got only one fish.  But this was tourist fishing intended as a timekiller befor the main event which was to get on the lower Sacramento near Redding in the afternoon. I had been there three weeks ago for the first time and fished there all day.  Nothing but nothing happened until late afternoon that time so I didn’t see much point in being there in the morning.  Even then except for a couple of bumps I got skunked.  Those who caught fish got them on caddis pupa imitations which I didn’t have.  Going to the pattern books, I didn’t find anything that quite appealed to me, but I got some inspiration for a soft hackle.  It was pretty simple–orange thread, a body of tannish brown ostrich herl twisted into a chenille with a dubbing loop, gold crystal flash rib and partridge hackle.  The herl chenille has the appearance but not the effect of bulk. I got on the lower Sac at Cascade Park in Redding about 2:30.  It was very quiet until about 4.  The Redding Fly Shop suggested BWO and caddis imitations.  I went with my little green soft hackle that worked so well on Hat Creek.  I hooked up with an small but suprisingly strong fish on that fly.  By this time there were getting to be a lot noisy rises around me, but I stuck with that fly.  A bit later I got into a good fish, about a 15 inch rainbow.  This started the Pfleuger music–a couple of good runs and some minutes of bulldogging to bring him to hand.  He was actually snagged in the lower jaw, but soundly enough to be brought in.  By this time the snapping rises were going on all around me and the air was full of caddises fluttering about.  I decided it was now or never to try my new fly.  The first cast and swing got a real hard hit but no hookup.  It was hard enough that I retrieved to see that I still had a fly, even with the stout tippet I favor.  It was ok.   I cast again–nothing.  Third cast…a couple of mends…the fly is about to turn the corner and swing across…bang!  Rrrrrrrrrr–that beautiful sound, and that was all the testing that fly got.  By the time I got that fish in, revived and released, it was too dark to fish.  I got multiple runs with that lovely music including the last one when I got her in the net the first time and she jumped out.  She taped 24" of prime lower Sac Rainbow, biggest fish I’ve caught yet.  I plan more testing of this fly… Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Good trip Mike,    The last time I was at Hat Creek during the day and things were quiet, I took a nice Rainbow just below the bridge to the power house by casting a Western Coachman across the stream and swimming it slowly back along the edge of the rocks. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 I made a three day trip of the Halloween weekend and went up to Northern California to fish Hat Creek and the Sacramento River.  I got away at 4:30 am Friday and was on Hat Creek at the Power House Riffle by 10.  I actually

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

I think they are always in the lower Umpqua.  Denny Hannah used to guide for them when he wasn’t guiding for salmon, steelhead and smallmouth bass.  That river also has a good shad run.  Great fishery – long way off. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

Oh…I thought the post was about strippers in Oregon.

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

Hell, as Ken Hanely would say, " Go get ‘em." Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The 3wt is a SAGE 389-3LL, 8ft9inch for a 3wt 3piece. I can’t recommend this rod highly enough as well as the 7ft9 for a 3wt line (you can cast beautifully only the leader as well as the whole line). If you need a shorter rod look at the Scott Power Ply, a 6ft10inch for a 3wt (very short but roll cast like a dream, Thomas Urbig

I agree with Thomas, but my small stream rods are the Sage LL 279, a 7"9" 2 wt, and a Powell SS  6′6" 2/3.  Both are sweetheart rods, that are great under cover.  Although I’m not sure you havve to spend as much as we did to get good performance with light gear.  I have used a St Croix 7′6" 3wt Legend (cost about $170USD) and I understand that the Cabela’s FT and PT series are also fine rods ($200 and $140USD respectively) jg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

Keith, a 3wt is my standard trout rod here in New England and late summer and fall I stick with a 1wt when stalking finicky trout and fishing very small streams. The 3wt handles almost anything you ask from a trout rod (small to medium streams), the 1wt restricts you to some degree. Although you can cast quite some distance and will be able to throw a small streamer it won’t look beautiful and isn’t really a domain of a 1wt. On the positive side you have a rod which protects even a 1 pound tippet and enables you to trick a 5 pound trout on a #28 midge/1 lbs tippet without troubles. As far as dry fly fishing goes you are OK with flies #12 and smaller, but midge fishing with a 1wt is the domain of this rod. Also nymphing shallow water (you can cast up to a 0.4 g tin shot without much trouble) is great. Drawback, the 1wt line has not enough mass to lift the split shot off the water when doing a roll cast. I build my own 1wt from an Orvis blank. The 3wt is a SAGE 389-3LL, 8ft9inch for a 3wt 3piece. I can’t recommend this rod highly enough as well as the 7ft9 for a 3wt line (you can cast beautifully only the leader as well as the whole line). If you need a shorter rod look at the Scott Power Ply, a 6ft10inch for a 3wt (very short but roll cast like a dream, the SAGE analogs (356, 366) are to stiff for my feelings (although I like very fast rods). Hope that helps, if not mail back. Thomas — Thomas Urbig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

This might not be the help you are looking for.  For myself, I just get by with a 4wt in a moderate wind.  That’s only on the days it isn’t really windy around here.  At any rate, Orvis sells 1wt and 2 wt rods and lines. Buy and try…  It’s the surest way to find out if it’s what you’re after, and if you don’t like it you have added to your rod collection.  Something for the grandkids.  "Yep, sonny, this is what I used to catch the big ones on when I was your age."

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Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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Hi, thanks for the response.  Is there any flats fishing in Costa Rica? I’m interested in a trip in 1997 .  Please e mail if possible. — Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

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Hi, thanks for the response.  Is there any flats fishing in Costa Rica? I’m interested in a trip in 1997 .  Please e mail if possible. — Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

Hi Tim, I believe that the east side is jungle rivers running to the ocean with tarpon and snook and the west coast is blue water with bill fish, dorado and wahoo. Lots of flats in other eastern Central American coasts. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. Thanks in advance,         EMM — Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building                                           Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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I do not recall a fly shop in town.  However, I would call Scott Fly Rods, who are now located in that town and ask them for either guides or info. They may have a B&B destination place in the area.  I thought I recalled seeing a flyer for that. Hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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edwin- she can go to Olympic Sports (which in 91-92 timeframe sold Orvis equip.). typically at this time of year the run off is still pretty high in the San Miguel River (which runs through town and down valley). The river also experiences a huge impact thbluegrass weekend due to a 1000% increase in the population fo telluride during the festival. the fishing in the san miguel is a lot of fun, and olympic sports should be able to give her a good fly selection (and a guide if necessary). she could also check out alta, trout, or priest lakes which are in the area. -ted

: My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for : the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is : there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help : with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies : can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. : Thanks in advance, :       EMM : — : Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering : phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories : fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building :                                         Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 : Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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: I’m thinking about a first trip to the San Juan this fall or next spring. : When’s the best dry fly fishing? Chris, Absolutely the best dry fly fishing I ever had on the San Juan was in mid-September a few years back over a Pale Morning Dun hatch.  I have been back a few years at the same time but have never caught it that way again. Baetis and midges hatch pretty much anytime conditions are right (overcast) regardless of time of year. Plan to fish some nymphs. Chuck

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I’m thinking about a first trip to the San Juan this fall or next spring. When’s the best dry fly fishing? Chris Long Long Island, New York

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