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I am looking for some new leader formulas for dry fly fishing. I want a 16-18 ft overall leader with tippit ( I use a long tippet, about 31/2 to 4 ft). I am fishing a 3 wt and 4 wt line at the present. Any suggestions? George
http://globalflyfisher.com/fishbetter/leadercalc/index.html It might take awhile to digest, but there is an interesting leader formula program in there. Regards, Jeff
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » potential 9.9 problems
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a ‘94 short-shart Gamefisher (Force?) that’s been running great since I picked it up at the beginning of tge year. However, the last time I was out,I get a "clack, clack, clack" as I was pulling on the starter rope. I pushed the trans lever back and forth a couple of times, and it started right up with no"clack" at all. I motored to my fishing spot, cut the motor, making sure I was in neutral, then fished. When I was ready to pull up, I once again went to start the motor and got the "clack" again. I was once again able to get rid of the clack by moving the trans lever in and out of gear. Does anyone recognize my problem? Do I have a problem? Will I soon have a problem. Thanks…
There is a safety device system to prevent starting the motor in gear located on the flywheel. As the motor gets older parts get worn and these devices don’t quite work as they use to. The clack clack is a little plastic lever thats connected to the gear shift thats half connecting with the fly wheel. Moving the gear lever as you do helps to put it in the right position. I sugest that you take the cover off the engine and observe how this mechnisium works. Its located on the top of the motor at the back (spark plug end) work the gear lever and you will see the lever and how it works. There is another reason you should know about this is because sometimes the mechinisum jams and you can not pull the cord. If this occurs you take the cover off and manually move the lever out from the flywheel. These safety devices usually fail after a few years (regardless of make). If you are really keen you could set about adjusting it. You will find however that there is a spot on he gear lever where the lever is in the out position. Once you know the spot its just a matter of remembering to put it there before starting the motor. Best of luck Silver fox
I have a ‘94 short-shart Gamefisher (Force?) that’s been running great since I picked it up at the beginning of tge year. However, the last time I was out,I get a "clack, clack, clack" as I was pulling on the starter rope. I pushed the trans lever back and forth a couple of times, and it started right up with no"clack" at all. I motored to my fishing spot, cut the motor, making sure I was in neutral, then fished. When I was ready to pull up, I once again went to start the motor and got the "clack" again. I was once again able to get rid of the clack by moving the trans lever in and out of gear. Does anyone recognize my problem? Do I have a problem? Will I soon have a problem. Thanks…
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » Gierach's Defense
#but hes like the Senator from my state Jesse #Helms. You may not always agree with him but you always know where #he stands, #he doesn’t teeter or waiver from his beliefs. somebody said back there a bit–if it’s true, why isn’t Jesse insisting that the coons stay in their own part of town as he did back in the good old days? Helms changes, like everybody whose standards are flexible and who considers himself to be a man of principle but returns to the senate voluntarily. (and many thinking folks hope he comes to his senses.) As for Gierach, he’s an excellent stylist with an ironic wit, and it’s all fiction mind you, which appellation our BB seems to aspire to much more recently. "Strait-laced" as Shakespeare (or should I say the Earl of Oxford?) had it–the pompous Malvolio of Twelfth Night made a fool of himself by coming around in the opposite look, the dandified and contrived "cross-gartered" style. . .in other words, he went out as what he wasn’t, and was laughed off the creek for it. Went insane, if I remember correctly. And Shakespeare wrote about what he wasn’t for a buck, collected "such rascal counters" happily; he would have signed his name for more if he’d had the chance, I reckon. Dave
I actually met John Gierach in Lyons, Colorado at Mike Clarks shop this last fall. We stopped by the shop on our way to the Frying Pan. John G. was actually very pleasant and eventhough he didn’t have to stay and talk, he did. I haven’t read all the posts about him, but wanted to put in me 2 cents worth about my brief contact with him and how he seemed like a pretty decent guy, besides being a great writer!
I met John Gierach in Lyons, Colorado at Mike Clarks shop… John was
actually very pleasant and even though he didn’t have to stay and talk, he did. … he seemed like a pretty decent guy,besides being a great writer! Hey Skilch, you’re right about Gierach. I live "up the road" from John, and bump into him, Mike, and the clan on the high country streams occasionally. I’ve also yakked with him at Mike’s rod shop, and been to John’s fly tying clinics. I don’t know Gierach very well, but I like the guy – and I certainly admire what he’s been able to accomplish in his career. Anybody who can win the Robert Traver Award for excellence in outdoor writing, author thousands of magazine articles, newspapers columns, and ten of the best selling fly fishing books in recent history is bound to invite some criticism from those who wish to hell they had his gift – and his success. Too bad. Regards, Dennis
[deleted] and ten of the best selling fly fishing books in recent history is bound to invite some criticism from those who wish to hell they had his gift – and his success.
Please. Noone (at least not me) is being critical of either: 1) the fact that john is a nice guy or 2) that they envy his gifts. If you read past the subject line in these posts, you would have had no need to defend him on those scores. In my critical estimation, as a consumer of flyfishing books, John Gierach is a good writer, but not a great writer. He got someone to publish him, in my opinion, and the rest is history. Steve Spinolio is a better writer, in my book, than John Gierach, or Russell Chatham. I enjoy John Geirach at least as much or more than E. Donnel Thomas, "Whitefish Can’t Jump", but they are very much on the same, simple, short story format that does not define great writers. I like Ted Lesson’s writing better than Gierach. Again, it has nothing to do with John being a good guy or a clever successful hard-working man. I am certain that he is all that. You don’t buy a flyrod or a car for that matter just because the builder is a ‘nice guy’. I liked James Bashline, who was not a writer, really…but offered me something of value in "Nightfishing for Trout". A sad truth is, IMO, the sale of books often has as much to do with the publishers backing them and the level of gloss on the dust jacket as it does quality of content. The best thing you could do as a writer is get Nick Lyon’s in your court. That is power there. The number of sales define the number of awards and some of us are simply critical of the writing itself and are not star struck, nor do we have penis envy. In Johns case, he has moments of really good stuff, but overall the stuff is repetitive, monotonous, politically correct and often boring. To me, life offers more exciting fishing trips than John Gierach does in his writing. So sue me. — TimW Halfordian Golfer
: In my critical estimation, as a consumer of flyfishing books, John Gierach : is a good writer, but not a great writer. He got someone to publish him, in : my opinion, and the rest is history. Steve Spinolio is a better writer, in : my book, than John Gierach, or Russell Chatham. I didn’t know Spinolio had written anything beyond a post or two, one of which I have on my office wall. Where can I find his writing? To be a writer, one must write. I battle with this everyday. I suspect most do. At the very least, Gierach writes in large amount. That’s something to be proud of. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Does Gierach still live in Lyons? I spent summers there (I’m an East Coast boy) in the early ’70’s and fished the St. Vrain top to bottom–my grandfather owned the trailer park in the big bend just outside of Lyons (next box up from the park.) I think I trespassed on his property a few times. Dave
:I enjoy John Geirach at :least as much or more than E. Donnel Thomas, "Whitefish Can’t Jump", but :they are very much on the same, simple, short story format that does not :define great writers. You were doing just fine Moe until you said the above which caused me to laugh out loud. You can’t take those darn short stories seriously, you slay me sometimes… TC
they are very much on the same, simple, short story format that does not define great writers.
I gotta wonder what Ernest Hemmingway woulda said about that. Big Two Hearted River for example, is far from simple. Ben
: In my critical estimation, as a consumer of flyfishing books, John Gierach : is a good writer, but not a great writer. He got someone to publish him, in : my opinion, and the rest is history. Steve Spinolio is a better writer, in : my book, than John Gierach, or Russell Chatham. I didn’t know Spinolio had written anything beyond a post or two, one of which I have on my office wall. Where can I find his writing?
Any idea when he is to return? Or if he will? Kiyu
I actually met John Gierach in Lyons, Colorado at Mike Clarks shop this last fall. We stopped by the shop on our way to the Frying Pan. John G. was actually very pleasant and eventhough he didn’t have to stay and talk, he did. I haven’t read all the posts about him, but wanted to put in me 2 cents worth about my brief contact with him and how he seemed like a pretty decent guy, besides being a great writer!
If Geirach is really the guy he says he is in his writing, then he reallly doesn’t give a rat’s ass about all these postings about him, pro and con. If he logs on to defend himself, you may be assured he is a fraud. I predict with the former. One problem I see here is that many insist on judging him as a flyfisherman, based on his writings. The only way you can judge him as a flyfisher, is to fly fish with him. As a reader, you must judge him as an outdoor writer, an entertainer, if you will. On that basis I find him well worth an evening in the easy chair. Since I haven’t fished with him, I can’t comment on the other. DAO DAO
If Geirach is really the guy he says he is in his writing, then he reallly
doesn’t give a rat’s ass about all these postings about him, pro and con. If he logs on to defend himself, you may be assured he is a fraud. Funny you should bring that up, Dale. I was with John for an hour or so last week, and asked him if he was aware of the dialog about him on the internet. He just chuckled and said, "Yeah, the guys told me about it. Sounds like those people are pissing away some good fishing time wrangling over nothing." … or words to that effect. He won’t be logging on. He doesn’t own a computer. As a reader, you must judge him as an outdoor writer, an entertainer, if you
will. On that basis I find him, well worth an evening in the easy chair.< Precisely.
If you read past the subject line in these posts, you would have had no needto
defend him on those scores. Your right Moe, I was arguing apples and oranges here. My apologies. He got someone to publish him, in
my opinion, and the rest is history. Right again, but he didn’t get just "anyone" to publish him. Pruett, Lyons, Simon & Shuster and Stackpole are hardly the kind of publishing houses to invest in ho-hum writers. < Steve Spinolio is a better writer, inmy book, than John Gierach, or Russell Chatham … or E. Donnel Thomas I’m not familiar with Spinolio. Is he someone I should be reading. Know where I can find any of his stuff?, but they are very much on the same, simple, short story format that does not
define great writers. I suspect you may open a real can of worms with that judgement, Moe. A sad truth is, IMO, the sale of books often has as much to do with the
publishers backing them and the level of gloss on the dust jacket as it does quality of content. Maybe, but again, big publishing houses aren’t likely to invest in writers whose work doesn’t sell. As for" quality of content", that’s a pretty subjective matter. The number of sales define the number of awards… I’m not so sure that’s an accurate statement. Lyons didn’t publish Trout Bum, nor much of Gierach’s other works. And if I’m not mistaken, John won the Traver Award for a fictional piece that appeared in FR & R. nor do we have penis envy.
????Where’d that come from? In Johns case, he has moments of really good stuff, but overall the stuff is repetitive, monotonous, politically correct and often boring. To me, life offers more exciting fishing trips than John Gierach does in his writing. So sue me. Actually, I’d rather go fishing with you, but If I were to sue- and win – how much could I get? later DES
To be a writer, one must write. I battle with this everyday. I suspect most
do. Amen to that. At the very least, Gierach writes in large amount. That’s something to be
proud of. And to that one, as well. DES
Much of Shakepeare’s work was "formulaic" and "Typical" yet in retrospect his work is viewed as "ground breaking". Perhaps Gierach’s stuff needs the appreciation that only time and distance can impart to the nonappreciative and overly cautious segments of his audience.
I find it humerous that all these straight laced flyfisherman find the time to criticize one of their own. I pose a question to any of you who find it within your right to criticize John at a personal or professional level:Have you ever had a conversation with the man? Do you know him and how he lives and his quality of life? I think that most critics would say NO to these questions. John is a very simple man. He’s a very acute journalist who has developed a style both in and out of the newspapers of his own. He is a fine flyfisherman and a generally nice guy to know. Most people who know him feel the same way. If one thing you can say of John, and I hope not to insult him with this comparison, but hes like the Senator from my state Jesse Helms. You may not always agree with him but you always know where he stands, he doesn’t teeter or waiver from his beliefs. A quality I believe to be a goal for most men. The other point is I believe that most flyfisherman, a strangely stoic bunch as it goes, are somewhat jealous of a man who can do what most of us want to do ALL the time instead of just some of the time, like most of us. So don’t wander down a road that you’re not familiar with, you may hit a tree or a parked car or Butch, the local dog who everybody in town knows would be sleeping in the road at 2:00pm on a tuesday. It might be hazardous. Jim Brady
I was with you until you last paragraph. Literature, great and small, is open game to critics and it is wonderful for an author to have a defender. But, to think that people offer an descenting opinion because they are jealous of a guy who fishes for a living is absurd. By in large, my fly fishers are smarter and better read than that. It’s an opinion. Agree. Disagree. Who cares. I can speak to the issue with a decent amount of authority. I have been in the communications industry for 27-plus years and have only fly fished for half that time. Gierach is a fine writer. I have most of his books. But, I think we all can agree that he is not producing groundbreaking work here. His stuff is Day Berry In Waders, whihc is fine. Hell, Dave Berry won a Pulitzer. As much as I like Gierach, he gets, like anyone else who writes for pay alot, myself included, formulaic, and hence some of his stuff becomes "typical". Knowing where someone stands is not necessarily the greatest commendation one can make about literature. Read Mein Kampf and you know where that guy stood too! My view is simple, stuff like Gierach’s should entertain and inform. Period. I do not expect it to change my life or create a new vision for my life. I leave that to far better writers with something to say on the topic. But, as for whiling away an evening after slaving over a hot word processor all day, I’ll take Gierach any day of the week. Ask the man and I am sure he will tell you he is not out to change the world. He’;s a writer and damn few of us are good enough to change the world. But, if we any good at what we do, we can inform and entertain for a while, even a moment. So, lighten up! Besides, I think Gierach is a big boy and can defend himself nicely. Hollis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I find it humerous that all these straight laced flyfisherman find the time to criticize one of their own. I pose a question to any of you who find it within your right to criticize John at a personal or professional level:Have you ever had a conversation with the man? Do you know him and how he lives and his quality of life? I think that most critics would say NO to these questions. John is a very simple man. He’s a very acute journalist who has developed a style both in and out of the newspapers of his own. He is a fine flyfisherman and a generally nice guy to know. Most people who know him feel the same way. If one thing you can say of John, and I hope not to insult him with this comparison, but hes like the Senator from my state Jesse Helms. You may not always agree with him but you always know where he stands, he doesn’t teeter or waiver from his beliefs. A quality I believe to be a goal for most men. The other point is I believe that most flyfisherman, a strangely stoic bunch as it goes, are somewhat jealous of a man who can do what most of us want to do ALL the time instead of just some of the time, like most of us. So don’t wander down a road that you’re not familiar with, you may hit a tree or a parked car or Butch, the local dog who everybody in town knows would be sleeping in the road at 2:00pm on a tuesday. It might be hazardous. Jim Brady
Another follow-up on this thread… Just don’t read or buy the books he has written if you don’t like his writing. As for me, I like a lot of what John has written. Most of his writing is non-technical, and therefore fine pleasure reading, if I’m into it. While Christmas cleaning btw, I perused through a lot of old Fly Fisherman and Rod and Reel Mags in my collection dating all the way back to the early eighties. The writer in question (John) has been around for a long time, has "paid his dues," and in a professional sense is worthy of respect even if many people don’t like his work. No need for debate or slander of the individual on a ng forum. Wayne Fenior Midland, MI – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was with you until you last paragraph. Literature, great and small, is open game to critics and it is wonderful for an author to have a defender. But, to think that people offer an descenting opinion because they are jealous of a guy who fishes for a living is absurd. By in large, my fly fishers are smarter and better read than that. It’s an opinion. Agree. Disagree. Who cares. I can speak to the issue with a decent amount of authority. I have been in the communications industry for 27-plus years and have only fly fished for half that time. Gierach is a fine writer. I have most of his books. But, I think we all can agree that he is not producing groundbreaking work here. His stuff is Day Berry In Waders, whihc is fine. Hell, Dave Berry won a Pulitzer. As much as I like Gierach, he gets, like anyone else who writes for pay alot, myself included, formulaic, and hence some of his stuff becomes "typical". Knowing where someone stands is not necessarily the greatest commendation one can make about literature. Read Mein Kampf and you know where that guy stood too! My view is simple, stuff like Gierach’s should entertain and inform. Period. I do not expect it to change my life or create a new vision for my life. I leave that to far better writers with something to say on the topic. But, as for whiling away an evening after slaving over a hot word processor all day, I’ll take Gierach any day of the week. Ask the man and I am sure he will tell you he is not out to change the world. He’;s a writer and damn few of us are good enough to change the world. But, if we any good at what we do, we can inform and entertain for a while, even a moment. So, lighten up! Besides, I think Gierach is a big boy and can defend himself nicely. Hollis
Tim, I think if I could paraphrase your response–if you’re gonna set up shop as an icon (or let others set you up), you better expect some iconoclasts will come along. It goes with the job. I have to agree…good, not great. Trouble is, good writers don’t usually stay in print 50 years later. And in 100 years, no one remembers who the good writers were. That’s a tribute for great writers, and I don’t think we should start throwing that appelation around lightly. BTW–do you know where these straight-laced, stoic fishermen are. They’re not around here, that’s for damned sure! I don’t think I last an afternoon fishing with one of ‘em! Roger
I find it humerous that all these straight laced flyfisherman find the time to criticize one of their own.
(lots of stuff snipped) , but hes like the Senator from my state Jesse Helms. You may not always agree with him but you always know where he stands, he doesn’t teeter or waiver from his beliefs. A quality I believe to be a goal for most men.
let me tell you, jack, that he is also my senior senator, a fact that renders me nauseous, but is presently unavoidable. and if you think ol jesse wouldn’t sell every goddam inch of hazel creek to the highest bidder in the tree cuttin industry, then you are blind as a bat. and having read gierach, i can’t believe he would accept such a comparison. The other point is I believe that most flyfisherman, a strangely stoic bunch as it goes, are somewhat jealous of a man who can do what most of us want to do ALL the time instead of just some of the time,
how much the guy fishes has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of his prose. which, imho, is very high. but your apology for him, in the face of timbo’s protestations, is lamentable. a. wayne harrison
Much of Shakepeare’s work was "formulaic" and "Typical" yet in retrospect his work is viewed as "ground breaking". Perhaps Gierach’s stuff needs the appreciation that only time and distance can impart to the nonappreciative and overly cautious segments of his audience.
Is it really you ? I thought you were dead ? Comparing Gierach to Shakespeare ? Like the guy that painted a happy face on a dairy cows underside. Udderly Silly. — TimW Halfordian Golfer
I find it humerous that all these straight laced flyfisherman
I’ve spent enough time around this group the past couple of years to know that most of the laces don’t get any crookeder than the ones you’ll find round here. Nope…not a straight lace in the bunch (I say that with pride, so don’t anyone get offended). Roger
Much of Shakepeare’s work was "formulaic" and "Typical" yet in retrospect his work is viewed as "ground breaking". Perhaps Gierach’s stuff needs the appreciation that only time and distance can impart to the nonappreciative and overly cautious segments of his audience.
I would have to disagree on calling much of Shakespeare formulaic or typical. Sure, he may have used some common conventions and story lines adopted from other sources, but if you compare Shakespeare’s King Lear, for example, with contemporary version’s like Nahum Tate’s, Big Bill the Bard’s on a whole new plane. As for Geirach I don’t think the same can be said. I have read and enjoyed his work as light reading over my lunch hour. Or on a camping trip. Groundbreaking? Unconventional? Original? I don’t think so. There is very little that hasn’t been done before by others, and won’t be done again. It’s not even a terribly distinctive voice. This doesn’t make it unpleasant or without value. But I don’t think it’s the kind of stuff posterity is going to elevate into the canon of great works. If you went back 100-200 years and looked at the best selling books…other than the bible, you probably wouldn’t recogize many of them. The reason they were so popular was not that they were original, but rather that they perfectly mimicked the conventions of their day. They appealed to contemporary tastes. That…I think…is what Geirach does. He ain’t writing for the ages. Roger
Seems to me that how nice a guy a person is, how authentic or otherwise attractive his lifestyle might ain’t got a lot to do with the quality of his writing, and thus the orig. poster just misses the point of some of Gierach’s detractors entirely. Hemmingway, for instance, does not seem to be the kind of guy one would enjoy spending lots of time with, and while through happy circumstances I can afford to fish as much as Gierach (or maybe even more), that don’t make me a writer. That said, I think that most if not all of Gierach’s detractors miss a point too, and that is that almost no author I know of who has turned out more than just a book or two is able to maintain the same quality of prose over and over and over again. But even then, there are authors who write one great great work and then are either silent or write crap, and others who simply maintain a fairly high level consistently throughout their careers. For my money I suspect some of Gierach’s stuff
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Puerto Escondido/Huatulco Flyfishing?
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message! Thanks in advance, Scott
Sorry to confuse people, i meant Huatulco/Puerto Escondido of the Oaxaca, Mexico area.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message! Thanks in advance, Scott
at:<http://www.geocities/thetropics/4888 They specialize in Baja Fishing only !!!
Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message! Thanks in advance, Scott
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » Oregon Fly Club Meting
NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997. The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis. We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend. This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley
Gee, too bad I didn’t see this yesterday. I’ve been playing catchup. -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997. The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis. We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend. This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Italy
Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike
In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks :-( or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. 
) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz
says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen
All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike
In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks :-( or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz
Of course I’m refering to the fishing – this is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly NOT italy.as.a.country.sucks Mike
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Missouri…Current River?
I’ve heard Montauk State Park is located on the headwaters of the Current River and has access to trout flyfishing area. Looking for more info from someone who knows this area. I’m thinking of going there in May. Regards to all, Robert
Try: http://www.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing/ John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS
You’re right. Montauk is the head of the current river, and offers considerable amount of trout water. But it’s going to be fairly crowded, even on the stretch of flies-only water. –
I’ve heard Montauk State Park is located on the headwaters of the Current River and has access to trout flyfishing area. Looking for more info from someone who knows this area. I’m thinking of going there in May. Regards to all, Robert
Go! The fishing in the park is mostly corn etc, yet there are some sections for flies only. Good if you want to go fishmarket fishing. Nice place. Great place for kids. The park has a couple of places for catch and release fishing, a small stream and a lake. Current river itself is beautiful. There are a couple of access points just downstream of the park. (get a map and a sturdy vehicle) "Baptist Camp" is the one I usually go to and fish up and down stream. I have had some great days upstream under the canopy of trees. Generally it’s best to find a guide and float the river (canoe) if you want to get the most out of it due to somewhat limited access due to purposeful design. The canoe is used mainly for transportation to wade spots, although I have caught a few from the boat. I have never caught any really large fish on the Current, but normally catch quite a few in the 14 to 25 category. I used a guy by the name of Tom Shipley. Don’t know his wherebouts these days. Maybe you will get some names on this posting. Kevin Williams
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » Salt Water Fly Fishing in O.C./California
Does anyone go fly fishing in Orance County at any of the local beaches? (*particularly Huntington Beach) I’d much rather drive 10 minutes to the beach rather than an hour to the nearest fresh water for trout. Jae
The best salt water fly fishing nearest you, in my opinion, would be in Redondo Beach; King Harbour. Go to Daves Rocky Point at 6:30 am, rent a skiff ($40 for half day) and fish your brains out for Bonita in the harbour. Be sure to have a reel with a drag system and at least an 8-9 rod. Sinking line is considered best, but I have outfished my buddies with a floating line. A 10 lb tippet will do and the Bonita is considered the "Jack Dempsey" of the tuna family. Bonita on the fly is an amazing thing!! Up in the Ventura Co., there is also some great salt water fly fishing from shore. Be sure to have a line tray! the Spy on the Fly
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Any quick clip swivils out there for #14 Flies?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Misha, Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all. From personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). How ’bout pre-tying on the tippet, with a loop at the end, for a loop-to-loop -type of connection? — Matt Meola NRA Life, Libertarian, Militiaman Gun control means using two hands. Live free or die!
Matt, A loop-to-loop connection between the tippet and the next section of the leader might not allow the fly to turn over as easily (compared with, say a surgeons or barrel knot). Also, it would seem to be a little too bulky for my taste, which could possibly put down some fish. Also, I have my doubts concerning the practicality of carrying around a hundred or so flys with tippets already attached (I’m implying that this was what you were getting at previously. I apologize in advance if I misinterpreted your posting.). Best Regards, Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University
It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing..
Clips or swivels are too heavy and are not made in sizes small enough for the flies needed sometimes by trout. The simplest solution is to learn the turle knot, which is easy (can almost be tied blindfold or at night) and does not mash hackles. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad | | Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734 | | "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from | | authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Misha, Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all. From personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). How ’bout pre-tying on the tippet, with a loop at the end, for a loop-to-loop -type of connection? — Matt Meola NRA Life, Libertarian, Militiaman Gun control means using two hands. Live free or die!
It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing.. Misha
It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing.. Misha
Misha, Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all. From personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). Best Regards, Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Flyfishing Through Mid-Life Crisis
Re: Raines’s Midlife Crisis book..I read it just after publication. was not all that impressed with most of it. However, got a copy of a tape where he reads his own stuff and enjoyed that!! Maybe it was his deep southern drawl that sold me or just hearing his stories spoken rather than on cold paper. Heck, even Jimmy Carter refered to "threading the fly line though the ferrels" of the rod. I fish wyoming and montana during my vacations and realized that the Gallatin is in Wyoming, so he was right to small degree. Hell, every one becomes a preacher once he has "found the light" of catch and release!!
Well, OK, so this guy Howell Raines isn’t a genius in geography. (I have fished the Gallatin inside the Park and in Wyoming, and it ain’t bad.) It’s always easier to visualize when someone writes about rivers or areas you’ve fished, so his many stories about the rivers of Virginia or Pennsylvania did require some persistence for a Westerner to get through. However, I benefitted greatly from the book, as even though I started flyfishing back when I was 13, I’ve also had the "20 crappie on a stringer" mindset that Raines abandons. I would think there would be countless other flyfisherman who have gone through a similar metamorphosis, and the world’s a better place for it. His descriptions of guide Dick Blaylock, who was bigger than life itself, were so vivid I felt I knew him. The way I look at it, reading this book at 40, and keeping up my flyfishing, I’ll avoid a midlife crisis…Bill Uyeki
I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three questions that I would like answered: Raines says that the three most famous rivers of *Wyoming* are the Madison, the Gallatin, and the Yellowstone. He also says that the Snake "becomes even better when it crosses into Idaho and becomes the Henry’sFork." My questions are: (1) Does anyone think of the Madison, Yellowstone and Gallatin as great rivers of WYOMING? Not to my knowledge. Montana maybe, but not Wyoming (even though the Madison and Yellostone form in the park which is, of course, federal land within the boundaries of Wyoming). Can anyone even find the Gallatin in Wyoming? Its a nice river, but is not located in Wyoming! (2) Has anyone ever heard of the Wyoming Snake "becoming" the Henry’s Fork? Give me a break! (3) Has Hal Raines ever been west of the beltway? (I think I know the answer to this one.) When I wrote and asked Raines about the first two questions (I didn’t think he’d like the third one), he sent me a snippy letter suggesting I consult some book that he (may have) read. I could not find it in any library. Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX Dallas, TX Ennis, MT
Raines says that the three most famous rivers of *Wyoming* are the Madison, the Gallatin, and the Yellowstone. (1) Does anyone think of the Madison, Yellowstone and Gallatin as great rivers of WYOMING? Not to my knowledge. Montana maybe, but not Wyoming (even though the Madison and Yellostone form in the park which is, of course, federal land within the boundaries of Wyoming). Can anyone even find the Gallatin in Wyoming? Its a nice river, but is not located in Wyoming! (2) Has anyone ever heard of the Wyoming Snake "becoming" the Henry’s Fork? Give me a break! Well, technically speaking, he’s partially correct. The headwaters of the Gallatin are found in the Gallatin
Range in the NW corner of Yellowstone Park, which technically is in the state of Wyoming. Also, the South Fork of the Snake leaves Wyoming and joins the Henrys Fork in Idaho. But, for the most part, you are correct. I have read his book too, and I gather that Mr. Raines doesn’t have a clue as to life in the West. Gary W. Godden "They call it Paradise……I don’t know why. Denver, Colorado - The Eagles
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX I agree with you, Lyman. Raines spends the whole book claiming he is not elitist at the beginning of each chapter, then goes on to prove himself wrong again and again. I came away from his book with the idea that Raines considers anyone who does not embrace his politics (in-your-face liberalism) or does not have a college degree is a raving barbarian, useful only as an amusing diversion to the intelligensia (ie him and his colleagues). All the psychobabble about the men’s movement and his so-called "Redneck Way" put me off as well. Someone out there posted that he/she enjoyed this book more than Nick Lyons’ writing; how on earth can this be?! Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler
I wasn’t the poster mentioned, but I enjoyed the book for the reasons you didn’t… Besides, in your heart you know Raines is right. Hap — <<<<< OMNIA EXTARES
I read this book and generally did not enjoy it, but I have a three Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX
I agree with you, Lyman. Raines spends the whole book claiming he is not elitist at the beginning of each chapter, then goes on to prove himself wrong again and again. I came away from his book with the idea that Raines considers anyone who does not embrace his politics (in-your-face liberalism) or does not have a college degree is a raving barbarian, useful only as an amusing diversion to the intelligensia (ie him and his colleagues). All the psychobabble about the men’s movement and his so-called "Redneck Way" put me off as well. Someone out there posted that he/she enjoyed this book more than Nick Lyons’ writing; how on earth can this be?! Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler
Is it perhaps that fly fishing is elitist and Westerners more so than most. If you’ve ever seen Steinberg’s New Yorker’s view of America, you can understand Raines’ pitiful ignorance of Western geography. Give the guy a break! His book extols what’s good about flyfishing and conservation, and explains the maturation from killer to sportsman. Where certain rivers are in Wyo/Mont are immaterial to this story. Maybe he’s doing you a favor. Just think of all the other Eastern elitists getting lost trying to find them. Lighten up– Crashjibe
Re: Raines’s Midlife Crisis book..I read it just after publication. was not all that impressed with most of it. However, got a copy of a tape
I just finished this book and enjoyed it throughly. It’s well written, good Southern story telling. It is not so much about fishing as it is about growing up. Some sensitive, thoughtful, 90s sort of guy stuff. Some good stories about President’s and fishing. George Bush was kind of pathetic. John Dobbs
WOW!! I have read your repy to Flyfishing Through MIid – Fife Crisis!! The Fish will not know they have reached Mid- Life before you put them FISHING FLY FISHING IS FOR LIFE111111111 OR LIFE IS FOR FLYFISHING111 BBlewett