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The biggest news is no news.   Expected ROFF population is presently four, with at least one maybe.   There’s still one bed available Thurs-Sat & one Fri-Sat.   Friday night is still arbitrarily selected as the BS/drinking/cigar/tying get-together at Malinda’s in Altmar.   Sorry, no raffle. I’m planning to have an FRS radio on me when I’m not at Malinda’s, so if you’re driving up or you’re near the river, try shouting for me on FRS ch.9 if you have one yourself.   Friday, I’m likely to be around the FFO stretch at Altmar or down at the Trestle Pool; but it’s way too soon to say. I’m getting together w/ fishing buddy on Thursday for lunch to compare fly boxes in time to fill perceived shortages.   If (big IF) I can get my shit together, I want to photograph one of every fly we have between us & post the photos on the website.   http://home.att.net/~fleischman/SalmonRiver.htm My present fly inventory includes: chenille egg patterns (various colors) on #10’s sparkle chenille eggs (various colors) on #8 3906 Purple Flash nymph version on 3906 #8  (awesome last year) Altmar Sunrise, #8 Comets, pink & orange on 3906B, #8 Lazer eggs (orange, pink, chartr.) A comet variety I’ve been messing with but looks great.   It’s an unweighted comet on a 3906 w/ short marabou tail, oval tinsel body, bucktail wing (w/ a few strands of krystal flash), & collar hackle.   I’ve tied ‘em in purple, pink, & chartreuse so far & I’m expecting great things (gotta do some orange, but don’t have the bucktail).   If they work & it hasn’t been done before, I’ll give it a name; but it’s too similar to a comet to be anything but a variety thereof. I think I’m forgetting something.   I’ll have to get my fly box out & see what else is in there.  I have heard at least one early report that black wooly buggers were slayin’ ‘em.   Is there any fish that doesn’t work for? A reminder of the dates in case anyone’s interested: October 17-20, Altmar, NY Joe F.

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Expected ROFF population is presently four, with at least one maybe.

Upgrade that ‘maybe’ to ‘probable’.

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I second that. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now!  <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her.  It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Tell us Vern, is he wearing a one piece or a bikini ???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason.   I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there.   She said, "tell me about this tourney"   I told her about you and this group, etc.  She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy!   I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney.   hehe   I just thought you would like to know.  I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern … What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Thanks!!!  Now that I know who she is… I wish I didn’t!!!   Makes me sick to my ____ing stomach!!!  Here I fight everyday for a child’s life and she…     I have no words for it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forget about her… Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason.   I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there.   She said, "tell me about this tourney"   I told her about you and this group, etc.  She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy!   I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney.   hehe   I just thought you would like to know.  I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Your suggestion to BassPro is a good one… take a duffle bag or something with essentials.  My ex-mother-in-law once took a flight… packed all her insulin and Delta (notice it wasn’t Continental!) lost her bags!!  We had to find a 24hour pharmacy, call her doctor back home and all that jazz.  Made our trip absolutely miserable! Just curious… who do you work for?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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Hey Charles, Flying is way cool!   Jumping out of planes is even cooler!!  <grin I grew up around the airlines so I would almost always rather fly than drive anywhere that’s more than three hours from home.  Unfortunately it doesn’t always work out that way, but nonetheless I just went over one and a half million air miles this past March.  If it won’t get me in trouble I’ll see what I can arrange for your first ticket.  Just don’t tell anyone.  <grin Here are some baggage guidelines from MY FAVORITE AIRLINE… Continental (you figure out why they are my favorite <grin).   I hope you find them helpful. … Vern … CARRY-ON BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Baggage that is carried on board must easily fit within the sizing boxes (L x W x H dimensions 22" x 14" x 9" or 56 cm x 36 cm x 23 cm) which are located at Continental’s ticket counters and departure gates. The maximum combined weight of all carry-on baggage is 40 lbs (18 kg). The maximum combined linear measurement (L + W + H) of all carry-on baggage is 45 inches (114 cm). In addition to the maximum carry-on baggage allowance the following articles may be carried on board the aircraft:     One briefcase     One handbag     One small personal computer (notebook style), camera or walkman/disc player     Personal aid devices, such as crutches or cane Additional carry-on Baggage restrictions may apply on certain flights. CHECKED BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Travel Within the U.S.A., including Alaska and Hawaii Maximum number of 3 checked pieces per ticketed customer that adhere to the following size (measured in linear inches or centimeters, total length + width + height) and weight dimensions: 1st bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 62 linear inches (157 cm) 2nd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 55 linear inches (140 cm) 3rd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) 45 linear inches (114 cm) A BusinessFirst customer may check a fourth piece of baggage not to exceed 70 pounds (31 kilograms) or 45 linear inches (114 cm). Boxes are accepted on a voluntary separation and limited liability basis only.    Boxes travel "standby". All oversize or overweight baggage, all boxes and any extra pieces are carried on a space available basis, and may not arrive at customer’s destination for up to five days. Excess baggage is accepted on limited release. CABIN-SEAT BAGGAGE Continental Airlines will allow a customer to purchase a ticket for an item, approved by a Continental agent, which is too fragile or bulky to be handled as checked baggage. The following restrictions apply: Must not exceed 165 lbs (75 kg). Must be packaged or covered in a manner to avoid injury to other customers. Must be secured in a seat adjacent to the owner. Must be properly secured by a seat belt to avoid shifting during flight. Must not restrict access to, or use of, any regular or emergency exit or aisle of the cabin. Must not obscure any customer’s view of "seat belt," "no smoking" or "exit" signage. Must not contain dangerous goods. Must be reserved in advance and applicable charges paid. Please check with a Continental agent for pricing information. EXCESS BAGGAGE All charges are calculated on a one-way basis and are collected at the airport ticket counter. Additional Baggage Checked baggage in excess of the free baggage allowance will be charged as follows: $75 per piece for the first three additional pieces $100 per piece for the fourth, fifth, and sixth additional pieces $175 per piece for the seventh and any additional pieces Overweight Baggage Checked baggage exceeding 70 lbs/32 kgs will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or oversized baggage. Baggage weighing more than 100 lbs/45 kgs will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. Oversized Baggage Checked baggage which is larger than Continental’s stated size limits will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or overweight baggage. Baggage measuring more than 80 in/203 cm (total outside dimensions; length + width + height) will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

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All right Gill !     Now  you are beginning to make me have second thoughts about flying. I’m not much for the scenic route, and kinda prefer the security of the interstates when I get mis-placed somewhere in Oregon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my mountaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts!

Why’s that Warren?  Are you worried that after fishing in a ProCraft, you won’t be happy with what you’ve got?  Besides, if you draw me in the tourney, you’ll HAVE to….  :) — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

        Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious.         I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way….         B3– Robert E. Longshore

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts! Warren2;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Clap, Clap, Clap !!!! Another extra step taken by you Steve, and I applaud you. This was a great job on your part. Thank you . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest?

First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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That’s VERY doable I would suspect.  Didn’t even think of that possibility

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248 — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him

snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates?

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Forget about her…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now!  <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her.  It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one?  Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sure wish that I was closer, Charles, we’d be hittin’ them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!!  Kris, you joining me? You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!!  Kris, you joining me?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one?  Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

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What is fishing like in the Basque country? What are the rivers, the flies etc? You are located in the Basque region of Spain, no?  Que parte?  Are you a guide? Que es el pescado mas typical del region? Qual estam los metodos de los pescadores mas importante? Usan las "moscas" francesas o unos desde Espana? Yo conozco los "patterns" de B. Martinez de Austurias se llaman " Rio Eo," "Rio Esva," y "Martinez Special."  . . . para el Salmon Atlantico.  Son otros para trutas? I think lots of folks on this NG would be interested in your observations. gracias David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

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From what I heared from a friend of mine, who spent six months in Spain, it was near to impossible to fish troutrivers over there. He stayed in the Sevilla region, and the licenses for the different rivers for the entire year were given out in very early spring. Only local fisherman were able to obtain them. No license, no fishing, so he could only fish the reservoirs for black bass. No offense to the bass fans! I wonder how things are in Euskadi? I visited the place once on a motorbike holiday, without flyrod (;-(( ) but saw some stunning rivers, especially near the Pyrennees. Hasta la vista, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is fishing like in the Basque country? What are the rivers, the flies etc? You are located in the Basque region of Spain, no?  Que parte?  Are you a guide? Que es el pescado mas typical del region? Qual estam los metodos de los pescadores mas importante? Usan las "moscas" francesas o unos desde Espana? Yo conozco los "patterns" de B. Martinez de Austurias se llaman " Rio Eo," "Rio Esva," y "Martinez Special."  . . . para el Salmon Atlantico.  Son otros para trutas? I think lots of folks on this NG would be interested in your observations. gracias David Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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The fishing in Spain exists mainly in the north .In  Regions in the south, as Seville is impossible. In Leon, you can fish sea trout and pike and in Asturias which is a wonderful area you can fish mainly pike and trout. In Euskadi which is a small region in the north there is not any important  fishing. Navarra (near the Pyrenness is also a good place . Fly fishing is a new sport in Spain although fortunately is increasing in followers  each passing day. Y. (fly fishing translator) David Snedeker escribi

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The Ranch has been sold to a private party who will be closing it up to ANY access by non-rich, non-friends-of -his. They will be open through June and the fishing is terrific.  You might even consider a guide for a half day to accellerate your success on stream.  I would recommend Kevin who books out of the Trout Fly in Mammoth. Have a great time. Bob

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The Ranch has been sold to a private party who will be closing it up to ANY access by non-rich, non-friends-of -his.

I just spoke to the Ranch, and it is NOT sold.  It is, however, in escrow. It may or may not close escrow…  The Ranch will honor ALL reservations that have made a deposit through the entire 1998 season. Regards, Wes

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Great News.  I hope it falls through and the Nature Conservancy picks it up.  I did not intend to pass along a false rumor. Bob

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Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

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Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the

Sierras?  I am curious as to what flies may be effective.

I have caught huge browns on olive matukas and hornburgs. Talk to Bill Nichols, he’s the ranch manager at 760 648-7807.  He’s always willing to talk fishing and will tell you the straight scoop. Wes

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The is a good article on fishing in the Owens river in Americal Angler magazine May/June 1998.         Nate Liskov – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

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(Rkru) writes: Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

Sure,  taught schools there for about 6 or 7 years including 3 schools there last August. The ranch is an amazing place to fish.  Small alpine (7200 ft. elevation) spring creek with a meandering course, mostly wide open meadow.  Water is slow to medium speed throughout and supports ridiculously large numbers of fish.  It is very dry there, drink lots of water and don’t forget the sunblock. Recently saw an article claiming the Upper Owens had 11,000 fish per mile. That number came from an electro-shock survey in 1985 on the Arcularius Ranch and *does not apply* to the rest of the Upper Owens,  just the ranch section. This huge number includes fingerlings as well as monsters. The public access section of the Upper Owens fishes best in spring during the Rainbow’s spawning run out of Lake Crowley, and again in the fall when the Browns make their run upriver.  June, July and August are tough, although there does seem to be an increase in the resident population in the lower section over the last few years. Just because there are large numbers of fish at the Arc doesn’t mean they’re easy to catch.  Fish are spooky, there is almost no cover throughout most of the river, and you better get an absolute dead drift if you want to catch fish.  Walk softly, be sneaky, and carry a long rod. Many times people fishing at the ranch will tell you that you that "this is the only fly that works".   Not so.  the river is full of insects: #18 – #20 baetis all season, #10 Green Drakes in June and sometimes July, Caddis all season (size 14 to 18), little yellow stones june through September, midges all season, sporadic PMD’s May – July, ants – all season, hoppers sometimes as early as mid-July (more commomly mid-August), scuds – all season (#12 and #16 green and also gray),  crane flys oviposit in late August through mid-September.  The list goes on, but those are most of the important ones.  I had three students, catch 5 fish on five different flys one day there.  They used: #18 PT nymph, #12 olive flashback scud, #20 midge pupa,  #16 olive elk hair caddis, and a #10 Hopper. The crane flys in September are a real kick.  They drag their legs behind them as they oviposit on the water and the trout really bust them.  The trout don’t successfully catch many of them, but not for lack of trying.  Fun to see a fish bust the surface three or four times trying to catch one of them.   You need to skate your imitation across the surface to imitate them and this is about the only time you can catch fish without a dead drift.  Last couple of hours of light is usually the best time for this. Some of the largest fish each year are also taken in low light conditions (early morning, late evening, or just overcast all day) with large streamers. Won’t catch as many fish with streamers, but there are some monsters and many of the really big browns don’t even become active until just before dark. There was huge amount of water that blasted through the Arc a couple of years ago and it scoured the river bottom out and changed a number of the holes.  The Bedsprings Hole which used to be 6 feet deep is now gravelled over.  I think the river is in better shape because of it. Usually the big trout are well hidden and you have to fish the right water to get them. Last year In August there were a lot of very large fish in pretty shallow water.  Found a number of 18 to 20" bows and browns in bathtub or washtub sized depressions near shore last year.  Unusual to find the big trout exposed like that.  Still tough to catch and easily spooked, but you could sight-fish to them. Although Dotty and Ken are no longer hosting the ranch, Bill Nichols, who is now the manager, is extremely knowledgable and helpful.  Don’t hesitate to ask him for tips and pointers if what you’re doing doesn’t work.  He’ll give it to you straight. Enjoy your trip, it’s a great (though challenging) place to fish.                                            Hope this helps,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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I am planning a trip to the Cranberry River in WV, sometime in mid-May.  I would appreciate any recommendation on patterns, hatches, etc.  I would be grateful for any help. Kevin

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My husband has a 60 acre farm in Webster County, near the Cranberry river.  He is very familiar with the fly fishing on that river and says the yellow Stone flies will be hatching.  Good fly patterns are Light Cahill and Yellow Drake Spinner.  Also,  a Gray Fox or Adams.  If no hatches occuring, the Royal Wulff. If you have anymore questions about the area, feel free to contact me. Also, if you are interested in a place to stay, we can give you more info.

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Don’t know for sure about the Cranberry … but just north of there, the March Browns come off starting about May 1 …. probably on the Cranberry as well …. large #12 … much fun …. Bob

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Been thinking of heading down to the Kenai/Russian for trout and dollies and maybe lakers near Skilak.  Anybody interested in sharing any recent reports of the area?  I thought I’d go down Thursday and give it a try. —                  GEORGE SCHERRER                   ANCHORAGE, ALASKA             "I’d rather be flyfishing"             http://www.alaska.net/~gjs/

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Been thinking of heading down to the Kenai/Russian for trout and dollies and maybe lakers near Skilak.  Anybody interested in sharing any recent reports of the area?  I thought I’d go down Thursday and give it a try. —                 GEORGE SCHERRER                  ANCHORAGE, ALASKA            "I’d rather be flyfishing"            http://www.alaska.net/~gjs/

Hi George:   I lived in Kenai until 1992 and at that time the Kenai and Russian was closed to fishing until June 15. Has that changed? Jim

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW <g <seriously ….big <g <no kidding….it’s a joke, see… <I said laundry, not dinner… <g

So are you bringing a couple home for dinner? -burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW <g <seriously ….big <g <no kidding….it’s a joke, see… <I said laundry, not dinner… <g

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW

Hi Tim Your name is changing a lot and if you treat your wife as mentioned above you could end up ‘minus’ something special. My friend, do what I did, give her the hug she deserves. By the way, my valentine, Gretchen, say hello. Take care and … — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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<< So if anyone is willing to share a little expertise, I’d appreciate it – as in, any advantages of an open U boat syle vs. a closed tube, any features that are really useful to look for, is one fin as good as another, etc? Cabela’s carries several types of Caddis tubes including the Stalker series, a Creek Company U Boat, and their own Yellowstone tube. Spending other peoples’ money is fun… Sam Sam, here is what I like to look for in a float tube.  It must be at least triple stitched (I fish 40+ days a year in my tube so durability is a big issue for me.), able to support my weight and have a several safety chambers incorporated into the tube for safety.   U-boats are much easier to get in and out of and many feel that they are more stable in rough water.  The Caddis Stalker series is more of a triangle shape and appear to be a decent tube if you are not a large person.  I weigh 240 pounds so am not as comfortable with them as others may be.  The Creek Company offers some great buys on tubes and their quality is good.  Their 97 models included a U-boat that was triple and quad stitched, held up to 300 pounds and was priced under $130.  Definetly a good buy.  Not sure about their 98/99 catalog. Hope this helps. Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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For my fishing, the Caddis Premier, a U style has been perfect. I fish mostly lakes. I had two other donut tubes and a pontoon boat. The pontoon might be ok if you are going to concentrate your fishing on rivers, but for hands free sneaking around ponds and lakes, with some relaxed trolling in between the rises, the U shaped tube has done it all for me. I tried several different fins and I end up usng the Caddis as they are the easiest and most comfortale for water entry and for all day fishing. Bigger fins place more strain, not less on my calves. If you choose a float tube, get the bladder style…not the inner tube. inner tubes are under pressure and if holed, leak rapidly. The bladder which is low pressure slowly gets softer and lets you keep on fishing. I put a salmon fly into mine (a long story) and after twenty minutes noticed that the tube was soft, I grabbed the inflation tube and with a few breaths restored the bladder. Fished nearly all night and only had to inflate the bladder every 20 minutes with a few breaths. Any other style and I would have been through for the day. I called he factory the next day and immediately I had a new bladder on my doorstep.  I’m going to grow old with this Caddis tube as it deflates easily and inflates in just a few minutes (5-6) even without the little 12 volt that operates off the car battery. I back pack with it regularly. The Pontoon advantage was greater height above the water, oars for long distance and a dry seat. What it gave up was you had to stay further away from the fish. Wth a tube you can get within 15-20 feet. The oars always seem to make it easy to abandone one place to try another. Now that I float tube only..I catch more fish in more parts of the lakes. More big fish also. I often wondered how many fish I missed as I rowed from one stop to another. With a float tube, the rod is always in your hand and not in the holder. Little strikes from big fish are not longer missed. With todays quality waders, my seat is always dry now anyway. Dollar for dollar, fish fo fish, for my lowland lakes, alpine lakes and everything from beaver ponds to plunge pools, from resevoirs to pot holes, the U shape tube has been the better choice for this fisherman. Only when I am fishing salt water would the extra height seem an advantage, but even there the fish are only 30 feet of the beach and a float tube can fish the same weather as a pontoon boat..under 12 knots of winds. Actually I can stay in the rips better than the higher more windage pontoons. they do stay a little dryer.. ccb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi again all – after the good advice I got about 3 weight rods last week (my rod is on the way), here’s another question: I just recieved a birthday gift certificate from Cabela’s, and want to buy a float tube. The problem is, I know nothing about tubes and don’t really know what to look for. So if anyone is willing to share a little expertise, I’d appreciate it – as in, any advantages of an open U boat syle vs. a closed tube, any features that are really useful to look for, is one fin as good as another, etc? Cabela’s carries several types of Caddis tubes including the Stalker series, a Creek Company U Boat, and their own Yellowstone tube. Spending other peoples’ money is fun… Sam

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Mike and Charlie, thanks for the replies. After your advice and that of a friend, I’ve ordered the Creek Company’s U Boat – it seems to fit the specs everyone recommended.  –Sam

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Hi again all – after the good advice I got about 3 weight rods last week (my rod is on the way), here’s another question: I just recieved a birthday gift certificate from Cabela’s, and want to buy a float tube. The problem is, I know nothing about tubes and don’t really know what to look for. So if anyone is willing to share a little expertise, I’d appreciate it – as in, any advantages of an open U boat syle vs. a closed tube, any features that are really useful to look for, is one fin as good as another, etc? Cabela’s carries several types of Caddis tubes including the Stalker series, a Creek Company U Boat, and their own Yellowstone tube. Spending other peoples’ money is fun… Sam

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I looking for a float tube! I’d would like to have anyone’s oppinion on which is the best out there in the 100-250 $ range.  Round as opposed to Open (v) float tubes..etc..

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DIA.CA (GHERI CELIN) writes:

: :I looking for a float tube! I’d would like to have anyone’s oppinion on :which is the best out there in the 100-250 $ range.  Round as opposed to :Open (v) float tubes..etc.. : : Any of the Bucks float tubes are fine and fairly reasonable in price, your going to waste money if you spend over $150 and can get very good Bucks for around a $100.  Only the ‘v’s and the pontoons run over $150 from a reasonable source.  Sports Authority, Sport Mart or mail order from Cabellas for example. Jerry Shepherd

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I’m trying to buy a float tube (V tube?) from the wastes of Norway. Since it is a subject that I know nothing about I need some help. I can get a Fenwick V tube locally for ~$290 is this a reasonable tube? and just for fun what is the price in the states? any answers greatfully received thanks, Ian

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I’m trying to buy a float tube (V tube?) from the wastes of Norway. Since it is a subject that I know nothing about I need some help. I can get a Fenwick V tube locally for ~$290 is this a reasonable tube? and just for fun what is the price in the states? any answers greatfully received thanks, Ian

Ian, I don’t know about the Fenwick V tube but prices in the States range from about $50.00 for an inexpensive tube to around $400.00 for the so-called "U-boat" style.  Generally, a good quality tube with features like an adjustable seat, rod holders, storage, etc. is around $100.00 to $150.00.  Products from a company like Orvis are generally more expensive than local companies in America like Cabela’s or Bass Pro Shops.

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs

I’m driving a U shaped tube. I guess the V shaped might cut through the water a little faster, maybe say 0.05 knots. I’d look at the overall package, rather than just the U vs V. I’ve got a Buck’s Bag Mustang that I like a lot. Well made, and though you’ve got a few pounds on me (I would describe myself as "portly"), my elbows stay dry. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs

At 260#, I would use both.

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U-boats and V-boats are very safe and comfortable, but for large flyfishers like you and I a larger craft is desirable. There is a new tube by Outcast called the "Fat Cat" that should be considered.  It is right between the U/V boats and the small pontoon boats in size,performance, and price ($239.00).  I personally use a pontoon boat called the "Supercat 60" ($539.00).  A more expensive boat but it is the most versatile craft on the market. If you desire more information check out http://www.flyfish.com

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I’m 6′4" and weigh 265 lbs.  I’ve been a float tube fisherman for many years.  In fact, my wife and I have six float tubes at the present time. My dad (who is as large as I am) and I began working with Pete Ross, owner of the WoodRiver Co. that makes, among other things, "U" boats and, more recently, "V" boats.  We tried them all and found them to be a bit on the small side.  So…we agreed to be testers for Pete and began working with him on a prototype tube for big anglers.  The "Bull Rider" tube was born. It’s an oversized "V" tube that is made for guys that are bigger than the norm.  It’s the absolute best float tube I have found…bar none!!!  My dad and I have spent many hours fishing in them and have nothing but praise. I’d suggest contacting Pete Ross at Wood River (Chico CA) and talking to him.  Tell him that you talked to Barry Brown from Eureka CA about his tubes and that you’d like to buy one for a "big guy".  You can’t go wrong and Pete is a great guy to work with. Barry Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs At 260#, I would use both.

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs Thanks for any info supplied !!!!

   Barryb.

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs

If I weighed 260 lbs, I would stay away from the donuts Pete

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs

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Which is better donut shaped tube or U,V shaped tube also who makes the best tubes ??? and what tube would be good for a person that weighs 260LBs Thanks for any info supplied !!!!    Barryb.

Funny how here in the Usenet you can get responses without info. Personally I prefer to be up out of the water and use a pontoon boat. One main benefit is easy in and out and directional speed stability, so a U boat or V boat are good too. Wood River makes a large UBoat that is big enough for that size. I do not know weight ratings on pontoon boats but the advantages with them are higher position for easier casting, warmer comfort up out of the water, and less water resistance and underwater profile for better trolling (offensive to some that people could flyfish without knowing how to cast but hell, it works). Mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Advice to the new fisherman, don’t ‘glerk’ off the fish…(trim)

Sound advice, Tim.  But for a minute there I thought you were going to resurrect the rather steamy trout tickling thread that sort of grew on everyone a while back.  Good word, glerk.  Sounds vaguely like what you’d get by crossing a goof with a jerk.  And we certainly have an abundance of both casting their wits into this particular cyberpond. John

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Go to Wal Mart and buy a fly pole, reel, line and flys. Then go to your local river and do it. The rest comes with practice and experience. That’s how most of us do it.

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: Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is : scared to death. : …this is a wild animal who is always frightened. : Fish live in a perpetual state of being "always frightened" and : "scared to death"! Yet, they have "a pea size brain". : What absolute trash! Where do you get this anthropomorphic : hogwash? Come on, Jim.  Tim said you would be a better fly angler if you learned to empathize with the animal.  Have you ever seen a wild trout?  They behave exactly as if they were always threatened (except for the occassional frenzy when hoppers blow into the water, perhaps).   They prefer to feed close to cover, they are VERY sensative to movement from above, they spook easilly if you make much noise. I agree completely with Tim: think of fish as frightened wild animals and you’ll understand them better and catch more…even if they aren’t frightened in a human way. I’d also add: think of them as very, very lazy.  They don’t like to feed on tiny things in fast water: it’s too tiring.  They don’t like swimming up through six feet of water when food is available in three feet.  They like the cushy pillow of current behind a rock on the bottom.  etc. etc. PS-Their brains really ARE pea sized. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is scared to death. …this is a wild animal who is always frightened.

 Obviously you’ve never encountered native browns, ordinarily very wary…during a heavy sulphur, hendrickson, x_drake or salmonfly hatch. …I feel sorry for you…You’ve been missing some of nature’s unique events. tight_lines,             Steve D.

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: I know A little but not much,Any tips on casting or anything would help : me. I don’t know where you live, but if you’re near a university or community college, be sure to check out their catalogues and any possible community enrichment programs.  Here at UI we have fly tying classes in the PhysEd Curriculum.  At nearby Washington State University they have flyfishing classes in PhysEd, taught by no less than Dave Engerbretson.  I learned to cast from Dave at a community enrichment summer program here (and from a friend with whom I fish).   — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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snippage Catch some bugs.

Yes.  If you can’t find the bugs, this should be a clue. It amazes me how few people get this part.

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Fish live in a perpetual state of being "always frightened" and "scared to death"! Yet, they have "a pea size brain". What absolute trash! Where do you get this anthropomorphic hogwash? No wait, let me guess….

Gosh Jim, You’re right, I’m wrong.  I do *not* know what a fish thinks when it heads for the big mossy on sight of an osprey a flyline or your masculane visage. I did, wrongly, associate fear with this behavior.  Let’s call this running and hiding ‘glerk’ just so there is no anthropromorphism, ok ?  I mean, it would be wrong to say ’spook the fish’, too…right ? Advice to the new fisherman, don’t ‘glerk’ off the fish, they’re tough to catch with their snoot under a rock. Thanks Jim, for pointing this out. Tim Walker

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It’s hard to say but I suggest that you go to the library or a bookstore and get a few books. That has been very helpful for me

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Go to a local shop and see if they offer a casting clinic.  Will save you years of trial and error and lots of wasted time untying knots.  Would recommend the Essence of Flycasting (Vol. I) by mel Krieger for a concise intro to flycasting.  If CA is an option, e-mail me and I will send you a schedule of classes.

Hi Dan, I certainly agree with your suggestion. I advise people (like you) to get training from a person who knows – a flyshop person, a club member, or a school instructor. Good Tying & Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Go to a local shop and see if they offer a casting clinic.  Will save you years of trial and error and lots of wasted time untying knots.  [SNIP]

With all due respect, This casting business is highly overrated.  Casting should be the *last* thing taught in flyfishing, not the first. (IMHO).   Take out two rod lengths of line…no more, and work on stealth and line control.  If you can’t cast a rod length or two after a couple of minutes, take up carving gnomes in wood. Learn some simple knots…hell use overhand knots, the fish won’t care. Tie ‘em on man and go fishin’ ! This is not rocket science. Fish bait for a few seasons and lures and stuff.  Learn to read the water. Catch some bugs.   Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is scared to death.  Try to put food in front of its face just like you imagine it would look if it were real.   Don’t be a dork wading like an elephant in a white shirt…this is a wild animal who is always frightened.  Respect that…and you will catch fish. TimW "Graduated Line Method of Flyfishing Learning"

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I know A little but not much,Any tips on casting or anything would help me.                                           Thanks                                                                   Brent

Sorry Brent But that question is just too broad to try and answer in a message. I just started out last year and this is what I can suggest 1) Scientific Anglers, LL Bean, Lefty Kreh all have videos to help you get started, as well as there are many books out there to get you started. 2)Go out to a local flyfishing shop and see if they offer course, believe me it is much easier if you start out right, then starting with the wrong techniqwue and trying to correct it later. 3) Grab a cheap-o rod and start practising… Tyson

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I know A little but not much,Any tips on casting or anything would help me.                                            Thanks                                                                          Brent

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I’m new to the Washington State area and would like to try my luck on some of the rivers and streams in the western half of the state.  Would any body mind dirrecting me to some decent rivers in this area, mind you, I don’t want to know your secret spot but maybe the location of some productive streams/rivers. Thank you in advance for any information you all might render.

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I am going to Cancun in mid april with my company, and I would like to know if there is any fly-fishing in the immediate area around Cancun.   If you know of anything or anyone please let me know.  Thank You.

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