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Hi folks, Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida.  Combination of use will be both bay & off-shore fishing, off-shore diving, and short-medium range cruising with at least two couples. I’m a long-time fan of Mercruiser I/Os, having owned several and had very little trouble with them.  A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct? 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain? 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O? 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays? 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example? All thoughts appreciated.  Thanks. Patrick

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Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida. A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct?

That is correct, especially with the 4 stroke motors. 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain?

Probably even or cheaper. 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O?

Net is higher since you have a higher power to weight ratio. 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays?

I don’t see any clear advantages, all the manufacturers have their thing that only they do.  Personnally my best experiences for reliability have been with Yamaha and performance wih Mercury, thou Honda has some interesting cam technology and Suzuki has the best Warrantee.  Never been an OMC fan myself but that doesn’t really mean much. 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example?

Can’t help you there, but I’m sure there will be someone to tell you what not to buy. http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/

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Hi Patrick, With a boat that size I guess that the outboard choices would be the new Yamaha and Honda 200-225hp 4 strokes? In a Mercruiser they use mostly GM V8s now for 200hp+? I know that fisherman like the outboards because there is more room in the rear of the boat for fishing? The ultimate power is a diesel in a boat that size, but it is $$$$. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, Just wondered if someone can comment on the choice of an outboard engine vs. an I/O on a 23-25′ boat, to be used in the coastal waters of west central Florida.  Combination of use will be both bay & off-shore fishing, off-shore diving, and short-medium range cruising with at least two couples. I’m a long-time fan of Mercruiser I/Os, having owned several and had very little trouble with them.  A few questions about outboards: 1) I’ve heard that outboard technology has come a long way, and the newer engines are quieter and more fuel effecient, correct? 2) Are the outboards more expensive to maintain? 3) Is the net-net performance about the same given the same hosepower on an outboard and I/O? 4 Is there a clear advantage with any particular brand of outboard nowadays? 5) Should we look for any specific year models, i.e. 1997 or newer for example? All thoughts appreciated.  Thanks. Patrick

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

Oh palms thankyou for a great laugh. Jeanne

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

Helen me too. LOL Jeanne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio.

  Nonsense – they’re much classier in Ashtabula. Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy

You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. Marley

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.

BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.

BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap.

BTDT And I’m from NY.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. BTDT And I’m from NY.

Gasp!  Your last name’s not "Clinton", is it? P2P

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen.

Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy

Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area.  One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<snip I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked.

*They* must have invented THONGS!!!! LOL Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. You mean…Aunt Bea?  OH NOOOOOoooo…  I thought that was homemade jam…

I don’t remember any Aunt Bea’s but there were some whacked out locals. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) I actually did that once myself.  Just once.  I got into it without entirely understanding the situation, and I got tired of it really quickly.

I was working on a capital murder retrial.  We won but the real killer walked anyway.  He was supposedly the bastard son of one of the local chiefs of police and a snitch. when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked. Nancy

Oh, please . It’s very late here. I spent a few hours on a train  once with some Estonian women in sweaters adorned with gold lame tigers. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program.

Uh-Oh!! 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Double Uh-Oh!! Becky Young ….Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower, We will grieve not; rather find strength in what remains behind — William Wordsworth

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

snip 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement.

  This one struck me as really funny for some reason – ROR! Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.

I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley

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Ernie, I assume you are in eastern PA? I am new to flyfishing, but do know where you can do some awesome striper fishing if you aren’t too far east. Raystown Lake has great landlocked striper fishing. 20-30 pounders are the norm and 40+ pounders are caught every year. They do have a website, not sure of the url. Try a search. good luck, Matt

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Hey Guys, Been Fishing the Salt with a fly rod and other tackle for a while now.  Always looking for people to go with.  Would be interested in hearing from any body close. I am in NW Montgomery county.  Any body interested shoot me an email. Ernie, I would suggest a 10WT for most of your fishing, and an intermediate shooting setup for most of your fishing in the surf.  Seems like you are doing battle with the wind most of the time.  Faster sinking lines are great from jetties and intlets.  Get a stipping basket.  Fishing the surf with a fly rod can be very productive for several species in NJ and north coast waters and sometimes it will out produce conventional and spin tackle. Experiment… Damian Damian NuWave Tackle Innovative products designed by fishermen for fishermen Fly Tying equip and matls., Tackle and more. http://www.nuwavetackle.com/

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Thanks Paul              Ernie

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Hello Ernie, Like any "species specific" fishing, you first have to know your quarry and then you must understand your quarry’s quarry.  Check out http://www.fishbelly.com , it’s a new web site that is loaded with great information on fishing for all species of fish.  However, to meet your needs, check out the article by Lefty Kreh on fishing his deceiver fly http://www.fishbelly.com/articles/lk110399.htm Bookmark the site because there’s a new article coming soon by Lou Tabory that deals with how to present your flies for best results.  We will also be highlighting the many different prey items that all species of game fish love.  We will include underwater images that will help you "match the hatch" so to speak, in salt water. I hope this info helps.  If you have any other questions, hop on the fishbelly message forum and I’ll be happy to try and answer them. Finally, if you’re looking for "in depth" — no pun intended — information on stripers, check out the selection of videos at Fishbelly.  As an underwater videographer who has spent over 40 years in the striper’s domain, I can promise you any of the Laptew Production videos will make you a better striper angler. Seize the day!  Go fishing. Mike

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

For equipment you’ll want a 9wt, a sinking line and a reel that’s doesn’t say freshwater only. You can use a 7wt but if it’s really windy or you catch a really big fish you’ll appreciate the 9wt. A few clouser and a a few decievers are all you’ll need for flies. The early season in MA chartruse is a good color. I can’t help with NJ. Check with a local shop for what colors are good. If you buy the flies at the same shop you’re likely to get better advice. Paul

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Is there any chance you could post your web page on the actual web? This is the Usenet. Sheesh! : <HTML : <head : <titleConsumer Outdoors</title : <meta name=3D"author" content=3D"Garrie McDonald" <snipped a bunch of html crap —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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     I have been fishing for about fourteen years now, since I was about three.  However, the fishing I have done has been either spinning or baitcasting for various types of fish in mostly still bodies of water, or small rivers.  I recently had the opportunity to try my hand at flyfishing for trout, something which had been somewhat frightened of due to its seemingly immense complexity. Since then, it has occured to me that there was a lot that I was limiting myself from flyfishing.  The result, I am interested in starting a.s.a.p.  I realize that there is a lot to learn, and that it may take a very long time to master, but i have plenty of time ahead of me and am quite eager to learn.      First, though, it seems to me that I should first purchase a rod and a reel.  This is where my first discrepancy arises.  Being that I am new to the sport, I am unsure as to what I should purchase.  i would be using the setup mainly for bass and trout, though primarily for bass due to the limited amount of good long-term trout waters in my area.  For reference, that would be Cleveland, OH.  What weight setup should I get?  I was wondering if there is a good medium which would work well on smaller ohio bass (around two pounds, give or take) and trout, perhaps even small steelhead.  It seemed that a seven weight might be adequate.      Anyhow, I am looking to spend around 200 dollars for a decent setup.  Now for my second question.  How should I set up my line?  From what I have gathered, it seems that it would be best to use either a weight forward or bass bug taper.  However, I am unsure as far as a leader and tippet goes.  It seems as if it might be best to get a couple of sizes, depending on the situation. What are your suggestions?      To sum up a rather lengthy post, I need to know what sort of setup to purchase, and what sort of leaders and tippets to employ.  All suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance Ron. By the way, please mail responses directly to my.

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i would be using the setup mainly for bass and trout, though primarily for bass due to the limited amount of good long-term trout waters in my area.  For reference, that would be Cleveland, OH.  What weight setup should I get?

I would suggest a seven weight rod, with a double taper  flyline. A weight forward line would be fine as well. Anyhow, I am looking to spend around 200 dollars for a decent setup.

At that price, you’ll find a great flyfishing setup. Don’t spend too much more yet; you need practice, not fancy equipment. However, I am unsure as far as a leader and tippet goes.  It seems as if it might be best to get a couple of sizes, depending on the situation. What are your suggestions?

Stroll down to your local FFing shop and ask them what they’d suggest. They’ll have the skinny on the local conditions, and if you’re lucky, someone will take you under his wing. However, I am unsure as far as a leader and tippet goes. It seems situation. Best of luck! Frank Longtine                             the Second Amendment was not, and is not, about 1984 Ford F-150                                  hunting rights. It was, and is, about 1997 Rokon Trail Breaker                       tyrranical governments.

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Selling my tools and materials. Mostly trout stuff, but some salt as well. Very little use, cannot tell Metz necks or Hoffman saddle from new. Some obscure stuff like Jackdaw scalp (for small wets) and Starling skin. Selling for less than half of new cost. Also have two Sage rods FS. Email for complete list and prices.

Well, what are you waiting for, season is ending at states, but here in chile its just the beginning, so mail-me your price list! Simon Zlachevsky http://www.scc.puc.cl/~szlachev/ Trata a los demas como te gustaria que te trataran a ti!                 /)                       O      /(                       |     /                       |   /                      /                 /             **                         ‘ () ‘                    ” /”                               UuUuUuUuUuU  Fly fishing, enjoy the outdoors, release the fish

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Selling my tools and materials. Mostly trout stuff, but some salt as well. Very little use, cannot tell Metz necks or Hoffman saddle from new. Some obscure stuff like Jackdaw scalp (for small wets) and Starling skin. Selling for less than half of new cost. Also have two Sage rods FS. Email for complete list and prices.

Send me a list and some prices

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Selling my tools and materials. Mostly trout stuff, but some salt as well. Very little use, cannot tell Metz necks or Hoffman saddle from new. Some obscure stuff like Jackdaw scalp (for small wets) and Starling skin. Selling for less than half of new cost. Also have two Sage rods FS. Email for complete list and prices.

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Selling my tools and materials. Mostly trout stuff, but some salt as well. Very little use, cannot tell Metz necks or Hoffman saddle from new. Some obscure stuff like Jackdaw scalp (for small wets) and Starling skin. Selling for less than half of new cost. Also have cconnect  

Am interested. Let me know what you have and what you want. thanks.  Al Lasher    

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Looking for a fly shop or resource for current fishing information about the St. Mary’s River, particularly information regarding Fall steelhead. Twice now, I have been to the river and both times the gates were wide open making the river unfishable.  Thanks in advance.

Local guides and clubs are identified in:  Linsenman, Bob, and Steve Nevala  Great Lakes Steelhead: a Guided Tour for Fly Anglers  Backcountry Pubs., Woodstock Vt. 1995 This information will not help you when the dam gates are open. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Looking for a fly shop or resource for current fishing information about the St. Mary’s River, particularly information regarding Fall steelhead. Twice now, I have been to the river and both times the gates were wide open making the river unfishable.  Thanks in advance. Jim Francois Stillwater, MN

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Just to ephasizewhat was allreay stated. 1. Mix the FlexCoat EXACTLY 50/50. 2. Make sure resin and hardener are mixed thouroughly.

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I just bought the book The Art of Building a Graphite Fly Rod by L.A. Garcia, and he too stresses an accurate mix and LIGHT stirring (so not to introduce bubbles) for the count of 120.  Every 10 strokes, reverse the direction of your stirring.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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<sni In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough.

 <snip This problem was addressed in a series of posts some time back. The solution to your problem is as follows: i) be accurate in mixing 50/50 portions of the resin and hardener and even more important ii) mix thourougly, meaning for at least 2 minutes (or more).

<snip In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.   I have used flex cote for years and have no problem. I particularly like the flexcote thin mixture.

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In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.  

I am not sure I’d recommend this.  The pot life of the Flex Coat seems to be fairly short.  The manufacturer recommends spreading out the mixed solution on aluminum foil to increase the life, but I find that even doing this only results in a pot life only slightly longer than the 5 minutes you suggest waiting.   I have never had the slightest problem measuring 50/50 (with syringes) and mixing for about 1-2minutes, then applying immediately (regular or "high build" versions).  Results in a tough, smooth finish that cures in about 24 hours. -tgades

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -M. Gades) writes: In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.   I am not sure I’d recommend this.  The pot life of the Flex Coat seems to be fairly short.  The manufacturer recommends spreading out the mixed solution on aluminum foil to increase the life, but I find that even doing this only results in a pot life only slightly longer than the 5 minutes you suggest waiting.   I have never had the slightest problem measuring 50/50 (with syringes) and mixing for about 1-2minutes, then applying immediately (regular or "high build" versions).  Results in a tough, smooth finish that cures in about 24 hours. -tgades

I have not had any problem with the pot life on flex coat.  I use the flex coat lite, and generally take about 15 to 20 minutes to get the finish on.  Don’t know what the difference is, but there you be…  You can tell when it is going off when the container gets warm.

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I always make sure my working room temp is above 65 degrees.  A desk lamp left on over your rod turner will suffice.  A fish tank thermometer helps too. Ross Wilson

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                             Paul Grabek

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.

I am assuming that you are getting the two-part mixture precisely 50/50? If not, use 2 syringes and mix exactly 50/50.   My experience is that after 12-24 hrs, a thick coat of Flex Coat has totally cured for me. good luck,         -tgades — Tony Gades                         You Flex           / University of Washington             your rod,       / GEOPHYSICS                                     /    / fish takes

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I agree with the other response that I saw to your message.  My rods dry hard in 12-24 hours and are not subject to abrasion.  Check your mixture ratios and be sure to mix *very well* (at least 100 stirs). Of course, varnish can be used, as can a couple of other finishes, but they all take multiple coats and are ultimately subject to cracking.   I suggest you stay with the flex coat. Good Luck                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                             Paul Grabek

George E. Hoskin The flex-coat is what I have used mostly ("lite" for fly  rods and fresh water rods, "high build" for salt water or larger fresh water rods.  Either should set up in 24 hours.  Make sure you are mixing well (minimum of two minutes) before applying to rod.  If you need any Blanks, hardware or finishes give me a call (1-800-244-7744). I operate a small retail shop here in Maine.   Will be happy to ship you stuff that you need with a visa/mc  number over the phone. I’m always happy to shoot the breeze about flyfishing, tying flies or rod building, etc. Feel free to call 1-800-244-7744 ANYTIME it rings into house and shop both and I usually stau up late.

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Grabek) writes: In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                            Paul Grabek

This problem was addressed in a series of posts some time back. The solution to your problem is as follows: i) be accurate in mixing 50/50 portions of the resin and hardener and even more important ii) mix thourougly, meaning for at least 2 minutes (or more). I’ve had the same problem in the past, but after following the suggestions of this pub, I’ve had no more problems. Changing to a different brand of epoxy probably won’t help….the principles remain the same. Good luck! Inge Solberg Houston, TX

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line! Have I yeilded to temptation, but writing this and saying that NO…..I’m

I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

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<snip I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

Don’t the manufacturers still back the blank?  Even for a reduced amount of time? Brian

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I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

Go to http://www.virtualflyshop.com   there is a rod building group there. TL MC

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Try this http://www.rodguild.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?forum=chat

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year. Go to http://www.virtualflyshop.com   there is a rod building group there. TL MC

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

There are several areas of interest for rod builders. Have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com  there is a complete course on ( graphite ) rod-building also try http://www.virtualflyshop.com  lots of info there as well. TL MC

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

Have I yeilded to temptation, but writing this and saying that NO…..I’m

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fishndad, Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

Not that I know of.  But I’ve seen several posts in this NG on that topic and have a hunch that, if you ask questions on the topic, you’ll get answers here. I’ve built a few rods — with gratifying results right from the first. Here are some misc. opinions, tips, whatever… 1) It ain’t difficult.  The lion’s share of what’s involved is being willing to work deliberately and pay attention to details. 2) You can build  EXCELLENT rods for a fraction of the "store bought" price. 3) If you do nothing else, get the Clemens catalog: Clemens 444 Schantz Road Allentown, PA  18104 The first few pages of the catalog are devoted to the essentials of rod building and the discussion is complete enough to see you through your first project.  As a bonus, it’s a pretty good source of blanks and components. 4) If you’re at all hesitant about building your first rod on a $200 blank, practice on a section of busted rod and/or start with a cheap blank. Wes Peterson LexCraft Data Services

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        Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

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In article    Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

Fly rods and large ocean rods have the guides opposite the spline. Others on the spline. Two great rod builder catalogs: Dale Clemens – (610) 395-5119   FAX 398-2580   —  Allentown, PA Angler’s Workshop – (360) 225-9445  FAX 225-8641  –  Woodland, WA Don Burns

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       Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

For a more thoughtful perspective on this subject, check out the web site for Manhattan Custom Tackle at www.fishdoc.com.  Phil Koenig, the proprietor, suggests a formula based on which way the blank curves, which makes sense.

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For rod building equipement try Cabella’s.  they have lots of stuff and good books too. Brian

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Try: Blue Ridge Rod Company 410-224-4072 FAX 410-224-4072 They deal solely with components for rod building. They do not sell finished rods etc.  They handle most of the name brand blanks (Sage etc.), Pacific Bay guides etc, Strubble, and so forth. You cannot go wrong.  Call or Fax them and they’ll send you a catalogue.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe For a more thoughtful perspective on this subject, check out the web site for Manhattan Custom Tackle at www.fishdoc.com.  Phil Koenig, the proprietor, suggests a formula based on which way the blank curves, which makes sense.

You might also want to check out the new web site of the Angler’s Workshop located in the graphite rod builder’s paradise of Woodland, Washington (home of G.Loomis, Talon and Lamiglass). Their URL is http://www.anglersworkshop.com Dave Weitl Seattle, WA http://www.halcyon.com/dweitl

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Try Custom Tackle Supply     2559 Hwy 41A S.     Shelbyville, TN 37160     (615) 684-6164 They have all the components, ship quickly, and are great guys who are very helpful.   A good book for rodbuilding:    The Custom Graphite Rod    by Skip Morris In it he gives advice on location of guides relative to spine — for fly rods on the side opposite the spine. The advice on Manhattan Tackle is also very good.  They respond quickly also and offer on-line and phone help. I just recently completed my first rod – a 3wt 7′6" and managed to catch some fish with it.  It didn’t fall apart and it looks great. Keep your fly dry, David

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I was just talking to someone else about these little buggers.  In my local the most popular pattern is the bastardized Wooley B, the Egg Sucking Leach.  Outside of it’s outstanding name, and the fact no one has ever seen a leach with an egg in it’s maw, it has caught on and works fabulously for salmon, big char and rainbows in sizes 8 to 2 tied on streamer hooks.  During a long winter of giving tying classes and tying too many flys, I tied one on a 96840 #12.  It looked so good I tied a coulple of dozen before all the ice was off the first lake I was wondering why I never though to do it before.  Give this a try.

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The strangest pattern I’ve seen imitated pellet fish food.  Great on stocked streams on opening day. -Bob

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.

        Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

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When I was a kid,my fishing buddy inherited his grandfather’s fly rods and flies.  In one of the fly boxes were 4 quarter inch long eigth inch dowels tied on a #12.  They were labelled as opening day and post stocking "flies".  Apparently they looked just like the hatchery pellets the stockies were fed.  Maybe that’s what the cigarette butts look like too. Crashjibe

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.         Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

Nibblets seems to be the favorite on the Clinch in TN too! (what an exciting topic of conversation  :*D)   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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The most insane pattern I’ve come accross is a cigarette butt imitation.  A friend of mine tied one after occasionally comming accross them in trout stomachs.  I’m not sure if trout take this as a caddis case or whether they are nicotine junkies, but i’ve seen him catch a few fish on it too.   Cheers Olaf

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I need to go fishing! I think I am going out of my mind. I have been tying flys for the past month now, but I think I started to early with it. Tying is starting to make things worse because now I want to go out and use them. I live in CA and river trout season doesn’t start until the saturday before may. Also there has been a lot of snow in the mountains here and it isn’t going to clear up for a long time. Does anyone know how to overcome the insanity? Because of all the time I have had tying I played around with some different patterens and I invented my own. It is a cross between a stonefly Nymph and a damselfly Nymph. It is tyed on a size 8 hook with black thread and has a gold bead head. Tail: bunch of black hackle tips. Body: olive dubing. Rib: thin red copper wire. Thorax: bronze peacock herls tyed larger than the bead. Hackle: before the peacock put three or four turns of black cock hackle behind the bead. Trim the hackle so they point down, then tie in the peacock. I call this pattern the bead head green thing. I had no particular bug in mind when I tyed it but I think it might work. Please give me some input on it. If you can go fishing now, tie one up and give it a try, then  tell me how it worked. TimFLYFISH P.S. If you have any Patterns of your own I would like to give them a try.

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regarding insane patterns. Iwas in a fly shop in Asheville, NC called Hunter Banks one day last year shooting the breeze, and the subject of ridiculous patterns came up. The owner, with a twinkle in his eye, pulled out his latest pattern: The Corn Fly. It is tied with yellow poly and looks just like a kernal of Libby’s finest. Back in the blue ridge mountains, even on well known FF only waters, I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand. The fly, incidentally, was tied as a joke. They don’t sell them.  People think egg flies, san juan worms, etc are flies, so what the hell, its not much of a stretch, I guess. Dale Owens

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I like to use spoons for Northern fishing, I have good luck with little Cleo spoons ( silver ). Johnson weedless spoons are nice for getting into the weeds. Another choice are the rattling raps. Do not fish for the Walleyes my self ( I am a transplant ). Good luck

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| I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish | for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. | I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on | the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs | that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or | anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on | what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several | crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to | deep running cranks I use for bass work?   | | Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 | UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 | X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644   Rapalas (floating, count-down, shad-raps) in silver/black and gold/black.  A few daredevles in red/w and 5 of diamonds.  Some jigs and rigs for use with live bait like minnows and leeches.  A few plastic mr twisters or fuzzie grubs to go on the jigs.  If there are smallmouth, throw in a couple of tiny torpedos. — Del Cecchi  

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{14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow?

Nothing beats a leech. — G.

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I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a 14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. Stephen

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{ { {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow? -GF-

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| { | { | {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The | {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net | {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you | {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain | {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the | {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a | {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. | { | {Stephen | | In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies | other than a live minnow? | | -GF- In the summer, leeches are better than minnows and they don’t die as fast.  They can even be mail ordered I think.  They also work great for smallmouth bass. — Del Cecchi  

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but is plastic, some with flavor enhancements…not sure on the flavor though…….Also, smaller plastic worms like super-do’s….get the pearl color or silver/black……caught a 5 lb walleye on the silver/black one. Good luck… — Digiboard 6400 Flying Cloud Drive Eden Prairie, MN  55344        

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?  

I recently went on a trip similar to the one you are planning.  My father, brother and I spent Memorial Day weekend on Lake Esnagi, Ontario.  This is a large lake north of Wawa, Ontario and is accessable only by plane.  I had never been walleye/northern pike fishing in Canada so I bought crankbaits, daredevils, steel leaders; the works.  It was a waste of $40.   The only thing you will need to catch walleye, or at least the only thing anyone at our lodge used, is 1/4 ounce jigs with a Mister Twister body and a live minnow hooked through the lips.  We caught over 100 walleye on this rig (all released).  Our guide landed an 8.5 lb. walleye on 4 lb. test line with this combo the week before we arrived.  You just work the jig along the rocks until you feel a slight tug, wait a few seconds for the fish to take the contraption into its mouth and set the hook.  Most of the fish we caught schooled up during the afternoon and started feeding around 5:00 pm.  They were all off of rocky points and in 20-40 ft. of water. As for the pike, we caught a few of them mixed in with the walleye.  The guys at the lodge claim that the smaller pike (24 – 30 in.) travel and feed with the schools of walleye.  The best way to go after the larger fish was to work shallower coves that had plenty of cover (large rocks, fallen timber) with large daredevils in red & white or five of diamonds (yellow with five red diamonds).  The weedbeds hadn’t come in when we were there, but working these areas would be productive also, according to our guide.  The other method people used to catch larger pike was to bait a large hook with smelt or perch (frozen) and use about 6 ft. of line under a bobber.  They would drift past points and in the coves with this rig and wait for the bobber to slowly move under water.  I was told that larger fish "cruise" the coves and points for baitfish and will only take bait.  This paid off for a couple guys, one of them caught a 12 pounder!  I never tried it. Enjoy your trip and good luck.

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I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?   Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644

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