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seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home page up Rob sig always 99p bargains going here nike , next , m+s , leather jacket 99p http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=…

EBay’s PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments Mon Oct 11, 8:30 PM ET   Technology – Internet Report By Lisa Baertlein

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041012/wr_nm/tech_ebay_… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – EBay Inc.’s online payment service PayPal has suffered intermittent glitches since late last week, locking some users out of their accounts for long stretches and making it difficult for some online sellers to complete deals, the company and users said on Monday. The online payment problem came at the start of eBay’s (Nasdaq:EBAY – news) seasonally biggest quarter for revenues and roughly four months after the company apologized for a run of billing and search snafus that disrupted some of the auction site’s most dedicated sellers. EBay on Monday said it was working to fix the recent PayPal problems, which have affected payments, log-ins and account creation. "We are working furiously. … We have all resources dedicated to getting it fixed as soon as possible," PayPal spokeswoman Amanda Pires told Reuters. "We haven’t found the ultimate cause," said Pires, who added that the problem appeared to be related to a coding update late on Thursday. It was not immediately clear how widespread the problems were, although eBay’s message boards were filled with postings about the PayPal glitches. Michael Bokan, of West Charlton, New York, told Reuters PayPal usually processes 5 to 10 payments a day on orders from his fly-fishing equipment Web site FlyShack.com. Bokan, who said he can see payment requests being sent to PayPal, said no payments came through on Friday, less than half than normal were processed over the weekend and just one was processed on Monday. "It’s messing things up," said one San Francisco-based PayPal user who spoke on condition he not be named. He said payments were "trickling in" to his account, although confirmation e-mails from PayPal were not. Users also complained they were unable to withdraw money from their PayPal accounts or to use their PayPal debit cards. "I can’t get paid, can’t ship and can’t get to my own money," a PayPal user wrote in a posting on eBay’s message boards. EBay has been integrating PayPal tightly into its site since it purchased the company in 2002. For example, the company added a feature to its popular "Buy It Now" function that allows sellers to accept immediate payment only through PayPal. PayPal boasted 50.4 million accounts at the end of the second quarter, during which it processed $4.4 billion in payments. Shares in eBay closed $1.14 higher at $93.73 on Monday on the Nasdaq stock exchange.

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

In all fairness, I would love to know of any programmer out there that could make even the slightest change to a system the size of eBay’s or PayPal’s, serving over 100 million pages per day, without some glitches. My hat is off to both eBay and PayPal. They did a fantastic job. SB

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW probably got some bodger in with a pirate copy of dreamweaver.

Of course not a PIRATE copy. A HONG KONG copy…bought on eBay of course =)

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead?

KY Jelly? –Steve

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Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman

Kissass…… –waldo

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LO fucking L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink. — Citizen Fisherman

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Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink.

Eh, what the hell… Better check with the manufacturer of your Inflato-sheep, Sybil…I hear it eats through that kind of cheap vinyl… …and if the owner(s) of the name "Inflato-sheep" wanna sue me, I have something else they can wrap their lips around and attempt to inflate…

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fine by me. I’ll just keep buying and using Gink. Eh, what the hell… Better check with the manufacturer of your Inflato-sheep, Sybil…I hear it eats through that kind of cheap vinyl… …and if the owner(s) of the name "Inflato-sheep" wanna sue me, I have something else they can wrap their lips around and attempt to inflate…

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Any Loon product would be worth the investment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead?

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in…

Yup, as I suspected – <yawn…OK…try eBay… Come on, Sybil, I KNOW you got it in ya – you can be a veritable gold mine…

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Any Loon product would be worth the investment.

Um, well, wouldn’t that be the same…oh, you mean the OTHER Loon product…oh, geez, another innocent victim is gonna hear from the team of "Bert, Ernie, and Oscar, LLP"….frankly, and this isn’t a legal opinion, he just might a have a case there, first use and all… TC, R

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I’m completely in the dark here. You don’t use floatant with bass bugs. Can somebody overcome their repulsion long enough to give me the scoop. I DO NOT want to show up at any trout stream with this Gink shit. (smooch)… — Citizen Fisherman I’m starting to grow on you, admit it. Don’t worry. The Doctor can prescribe an ointment… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any Loon product would be worth the investment. Um, well, wouldn’t that be the same…oh, you mean the OTHER Loon product…oh, geez, another innocent victim is gonna hear from the team of "Bert, Ernie, and Oscar, LLP"….frankly, and this isn’t a legal opinion, he just might a have a case there, first use and all… TC, R

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Inflato-sheep? I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that product. Perhaps you could fill us in… Yup, as I suspected – <yawn…OK…try eBay… Come on, Sybil, I KNOW you got it in ya – you can be a veritable gold mine…

See, that’s the thing about high expectations. Wolfgang who knows that tetherballs really DO rule the universe

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To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

        post of the fucking month. who loves ya, waldo! (how’s that for kissass, you lying scumbag?)

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Wolfgang who knows that tetherballs really DO rule the universe

Sad, oh so sad, but true. MC

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Right before my innocent eyes, I saw this perfectly sane, highly intelligent man go banana!  He was last seen with a spade in hand, digging this big hole. After a few hours, he climbed out, pulling the ladder out after himself, picked up his fly fishing vest and threw it into the hole.  Two hours later, it was all filled back end. Satisfied, he picked up a little bottle of Gink and one of Xink, put them into his shirt pocket and smiling in great satisfaction, returned the spade to his pal, Harrison. Observing his beaming face, "Mr. Harrison, esq." asked, "How’d it go?" "I learned him!" he smiled. Wayne Harrison could see the tears welling up in Waldo’s eyes so he took him in his arms to comfort him as he sobbed these deep, throbbing sobs of relief. "Don’t you feel better now that you buried that bottle of World Excellent Product Gink & Xink?" Waldo stiffens and backs off with this blank, far away look.  His lower lip begins to quiver and his right hand shoots to his mouth for self control.  He bites down on his shooting finger and then, suddenly he lets out this horrifying, Arrrrgggguuuhhhhhhhhh! The last we saw of this scene as the reporter peaked over the back fence was Wayne Harrison handing the spade back to Waldo and walking away, slowly shaking his head. Waldo collaped where he stood until Winter’s White Wagon fetched him up to deliver him home to the new mound, still fresh . . . and somewhere, there, deep down in the earth,  a vest full of flies waited for the return of what he still had in his shirt pocket. We love you Walt.  Hang tough man.  You’re going to make it yet! Your Pal in the Great N.W. State of Washington, George Gehrke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right before my innocent eyes, I saw this perfectly sane, highly intelligent man go banana!  He was last seen with a spade in hand, digging this big hole. After a few hours, he climbed out, pulling the ladder out after himself, picked up his fly fishing vest and threw it into the hole.  Two hours later, it was all filled back end. (in?)  Could it be "IN?"  Heads yes, Tails no. Satisfied, he picked up a little bottle of Gink and one of Xink, put them into his shirt pocket and smiling in great satisfaction, returned the spade to his pal, Harrison. Observing his beaming face, "Mr. Harrison, esq." asked, "How’d it go?" "I learned him!" he smiled. Wayne Harrison could see the tears welling up in Waldo’s eyes so he took him in his arms to comfort him as he sobbed these deep, throbbing sobs of relief. "Don’t you feel better now that you buried that bottle of World Excellent Product Gink & Xink?" Waldo stiffens and backs off with this blank, far away look.  His lower lip begins to quiver and his right hand shoots to his mouth for self control.  He bites down on his shooting finger and then, suddenly he lets out this horrifying, Arrrrgggguuuhhhhhhhhh! The last we saw of this scene as the reporter peaked over the back fence was Wayne Harrison handing the spade back to Waldo and walking away, slowly shaking his head. Waldo collaped where he stood until Winter’s White Wagon fetched him up to deliver him home to the new mound, still fresh . . . and somewhere, there, deep down in the earth,  a vest full of flies waited for the return of what he still had in his shirt pocket. We love you Walt.  Hang tough man.  You’re going to make it yet! Your Pal in the Great N.W. State of Washington, George Gehrke To my horror, I just checked my fly vest and found a bottle of each. I will seal them and bury them to a safe depth. What should I use instead? — Citizen Fisherman Kissass…… –waldo

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Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman

And here I thought you were a real man!

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I’m not real… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I’ve got plenty of that… — Citizen Fisherman And here I thought you were a real man!

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I recommend potassium cyanide mixed 50-50 with DMSO. It only works, though, if you apply it with bare hands.

Now,  _that’s_ funny!!

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Right before my innocent eyes, <sumthin snipped yer just green cuz i got nominated fer "post of the month"…. –waldo

yah, I know . . . but did the final vote come in  yet?  Its hard for a dang yankee like myself fighting that N.C. political coalition.  You have the edge on me pal.  I’ll settle for "Honorable Mention"

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Right before my innocent eyes, <sumthin snipped

yer just green cuz i got nominated fer "post of the month"…. –waldo

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This is a public service announcement, by a concerned private individual. The author of the above post,  has lied, cheated, and stolen from members of this newsgroup. He is also known for his tendency to vitriolic abuse of a severe and personal nature, barely intelligible ranting of an insulting nature, completely ridiculous and self aggrandising stories also invariably of an insulting nature, and for spamming his products incessantly. Past experience has clearly demonstrated that it is best to avoid any contact with him, if one wishes to avoid trouble. This announcement is not an opinion on his products, or an opinion on the person concerned, it is simply a statement of fact, and a well meant warning. Various methods have been tried to rid the group of this person, but due to the nature of usenet, and as he apparently possesses neither shame, nor morals, to any discernible degree, and has a wide range of ISP

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….Describe how to get non-blocking routing through a toriodal interconnect fabric of any dimension.

Phhht!  Too easy.  Get a bigger hammer.      :) Wolfgang no charge for this one

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*snip patent info*    Is the toxicity something we should be concerned with?

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*snip patent info*    Is the toxicity something we should be concerned with?

Anything with mineral oil in it is toxic.  If you drink mineral oil for instance, you will die, probably quite horribly.  Chucking even small amounts of mineral oil into the environment is a very bad thing to do. You may remember fairly recent scandals, especially in Italy, where Olive oil was "stretched" with mineral oil. Many people died horribly, others lost their sight, and had various other nasty things happen to them. Mineral oil is also a contact poison, and may cause dermatitis and other allergic reactions. Some products produced by the ethoxylation of Nonyl Phenol, Glycerine, and various other substances are used among other things as very high grade surgical soap. Eating this will cause severe and uncontrollable vomiting, will damage the stomach, throat, etc, and depending on the other ingredients may also be toxic. Chemical analyses are available for all the substances listed in the patent. Some are toxic, some are not. Quite a few are environmental pollutants ( Long chain, non bio-degradable molecules). Ethoxylated substances change their characteristics and properties quite radically as a result of polymerisation.  Phenol for instance is an extremely dangerous and potent poison in its raw state.  It would be necessary to read all the chemical  and property analyses of the substances concerned in order to determine the toxicity of any mixture based on them. If silica is added to the stuff, this implies that it is finely ground. When dry, ground silica dust is extremely dangerous, and is number one on the list of carcinogens.  In a wet mixture it is probably relatively harmless. Not to put to fine a point on it, I would not use the stuff. TL MC

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This is Ethene ( Common name Ethylene)  C2H4 The symbol above is the most common way of writing an ethylene molecule, known as a "monomer".  When polymerised this gives Polythene ( Poly Etyhlene)  which is a common thermoplastic. When combined with oxygen, it gives EO2  which is Ethylene Oxide, a highly reactive substance, which is a primary ingredient in the processes used to produce the ingredients of the stuff you sell, Gink and Xink.

On a lighter note, one of my favorite "vanity plates" to date was a simple sedan with the license plate C2H5OH (or something close to that, I can’t remember now).   It took me a while, but I eventually surmised the owner’s name was Ethel. Joe F.

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On a lighter note, one of my favorite "vanity plates" to date was a simple sedan with the license plate C2H5OH (or something close to that, I can’t remember now).   It took me a while, but I eventually surmised the owner’s name was Ethel.

That would be just C2H5. — Charlie…

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I would ask you all to refrain from answering this until Mr Gehrke does so. I have my reasons.

Might be too late now though.

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—- It’s quite interesting how G alludes that Mike C’s posts are derogatory

towards US citizens.  I assume that this is supposed to drum up support for his "case". —- our envy of Mike Connor’s reputation and his considerable contribution to the world of flyfishing is obvious. —- Padishar Creel — George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later.

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 George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later.

Diagnosis, Doctor?

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 George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later. Diagnosis, Doctor?

—– Hmmm, as I stroke my Jungian beard, I would say the diagnosis would include a complex combination of personality and co-morbid Axis I disorders and for you laymen, please forgive the highly technical jargon, but the correct taxonomical nomenclature would be "Shit For Brains" <G. Padishar Creel — Mental health Expert of the Major Roffian Character Disorders

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Hmmm, as I stroke my Jungian beard, I would say the diagnosis would include a complex combination of personality and co-morbid Axis I disorders and for you laymen, please forgive the highly technical jargon, but the correct taxonomical nomenclature would be "Shit For Brains" <G.

—— As to an interesting link that may be of some relevance! http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html —— Padishar Creel "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft…and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." –  Wernher von Braun

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assume we are talking about fly fishermen.  Think we have two major groups. very rich with their float boat guides and trips to Chili  and the rural low income folks  who just have always fished because it is a way of life. The folks who amaze me are the governmental workers and the educators who seem to spend half their time fishing, and half their time posting on the internet.    Relative to income –some of us thought we were in the higher bracket, but due to recent stock market now find ourselves   trying to catch and eat. Indian Joe

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OK. Since you decline to answer.  For a number of years I worked for ICI ( Imperial Chemical Industries ) in England. I possess a City and Guilds of London Certificate in chemical plant operation, ( With distinction ). and I was, among other things,  chief operator of the ethoxylation facility. I am not a chemist as such, but have a good basic knowledge of chemistry.( OK perhaps a little more than just "basic"), it was essential for my job at the time. I manufactured thousands of tons of the stuff which you are mixing and selling as your own invention.    H    H     I      I    C=C     I     I    H   H Usually written    H    H     I      I    C=C    —–    Addition polymerisation.     I     I    H   H This is Ethene ( Common name Ethylene)  C2H4 The symbol above is the most common way of writing an ethylene molecule, known as a "monomer".  When polymerised this gives Polythene ( Poly Etyhlene)  which is a common thermoplastic. When combined with oxygen, it gives EO2  which is Ethylene Oxide, a highly reactive substance, which is a primary ingredient in the processes used to produce the ingredients of the stuff you sell, Gink and Xink. Any chemist, or anybody with even a faint knowledge of chemistry would recognise it immediately. How remarkably strange that the "inventor" of a substance has no idea what is in it. Just to be absolutely certain I researched the US patent office.  Here is the extract. —- United States Patent  4,184,889 Gehrke  January 22, 1980 —- Fly, line and leader sinker composition Abstract A composition for application to fishing flies, lines and leaders to cause them to sink when placed in water. —- Inventors:  Gehrke; George E. (Drawer 1204, Salida, CO 81201) Appl. No.:  909667 Filed:  May 25, 1978 Current U.S. Class: 106/267; 43/4; 516/204; 516/DIG1 Intern’l Class:  C08L 091/00 Field of Search:  106/266,267,243 —- References Cited [Referenced By] —- U.S. Patent Documents 3526596 Sep., 1970 Kress et al. 252/52. 3872048 Mar., 1975 Brown 252/52. Foreign Patent Documents 995085 Jun., 1965 GB. Primary Examiner: Morris; Theodore Attorney, Agent or Firm: Wymore; Max L. —- Claims —- What is claimed is: 1. A composition of the matter to be applied to a fly, line or leader to cause same to sink below the surface of the water when cast by a fisherman which comprises about four parts by volume of a surface active agent consisting of the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol, about one part by volume of sorbitan monolaurate and about ten parts by weight of a medium grade mineral oil blended together. 2. The composition of matter of claim 1 wherein the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenyl has a molar ratio of ethylene oxide in the adduct, of four. 3. The composition of matter of claim 1 including a small amount of cod liver oil and a silica thickener. 4. A method of treating a line or fly to promote sinking when cast in water which comprises applying a composition thereto of about four parts by volume of a surface active agent consisting of the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol and mixing about one part therewith of sorbitan monolaurate to prevent the formation of an immersible gell between the reaction products and the water. —- Description —- One of the problems confronting the avid fly fisherman is the ability of having a fly sink fast after it is cast into the water. One solution has been to use split shot on the leader or by the use of weighted flies; however, the weighted flies do not move in a natural manner and the use of split shot on the leader makes for difficult, inaccurate and sometimes, unsafe casting. While some fly fishermen have used a sinking liquid applied to the leader, this liquid will not stay on the leader and needs to be reapplied practically for each and every cast. The benefits and advantages of the present invention are achieved by the use of a composition of matter formulated to provide ease of application and a composition that will stay on a fly and cause it to sink rapidly for many, many successive casts and wherein the fly sinks down low to where the fish are. The sinker compound works so well and lasts such a very long time that in most instances, there is no need to use split shot or weighted flies. The composition is also an excellent leader sink and makes sinking lines sink even faster. It is a primary object of this invention to provide a fly, line and leader sinker composition that is easy to use, wipes off fingers easily, provides rapid sinking to lines, leaders and flies and is retained thereon for a multitude of successive casts. Another object of the invention is to provide a sinking composition that does not interfere with the natural movement of flies and will permit safe and accurate casting. A still further object of the present invention is to provide a sinking composition many times better than previously available compositions and avoids the use of a streamer or nymph to achieve sink characteristics. Additional benefits and advantages of the present invention become apparent upon the reading of the description of the preferred embodiment. The fly, line and leader sinker composition according to this invention consists of about four parts by volume of Surfonic N-40 surface active agent, about one part by volume of Span 20 and about ten parts by weight of a mineral oil. The composition may also contain a small amount of cod liver oil for scent purposes, a small amount of mineral oil and a small amount of Aerosil 200 as a thickening agent. These ingredients are mixed together to form a highly viscous liquid product. The Surfonic N-40 is manufactured by Jefferson Chemical Company, Inc. and is available from VanWaters & Rogers, division of Univar, 4300 Holly St., Denver, Col. 80216. Surfonic N-40 surface active agent is a non-ionic reaction product of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol. The products are designated by a number following the letter "N". The number is a ten-fold multiple of the molar ratio of ethylene oxide in the adduct. The surface active properties result from the combination of the hydrophilic polyoxyethylene chain and the hydrophobic nonyl phenol. These groups combine to form a molecule which "crosses" the oil-water interface and breaks down the surface tension so as to promote a dispersion. Surfonic N-40 is water-insoluble, oil-soluble. When the Surfonic N-40 alone contacts water, the water acts with the Surfonic N-40 to produce an immiscible gel. A surfactant Span 20 is added to the Surfonic N-40 and when mixed therewith, prevents hydration of the Surfonic N-40 from producing an immiscible gel. Span 20 is a trademark of ICI Americas, Inc., Specialty Chemicals Division, Wilmington, Del. 19897 and is used to identify a non-ionic surfactant of sorbitan monolaurate. The composition may also include about ten parts by weight of a medium grade mineral oil and a small amount of a thickness such as silica known by the trade name Aerosil 200 a product of Degussa Corp., Route 46 at Hollister Rd., P.O. Box 2004, Teterboro, N.J. 07608. The resulting composition is a thick amber liquid that can be placed on the figures and rubbed into a fly, line or leader. When a fly, line or leader treated with the composition of this invention is cast into water, the fly, line and/or leader will sink immediately and will avoid any tendency of floating on top of the water. The line, fly and/or leader so treated can be cast and re-cast numerous times without the necessity of renewing the sinker composition. The present invention may be embodied in other specific forms without departing from the spirit or essential characteristics thereof. The presently disclosed embodiment is, therefore, to be considered in all respects as illustrative and not restrictive, the scope of the invention being indicated by the appended claims rather than by the foregoing description, and all changes which come within the meaning and range of equivalency of the claims are, therefore, intended to be embraced therein. * * * * * —- END OF COPY. What this basically means is, you managed to "bamboo"zle and bullshit the US Patent Office into granting you a patent on a soap mixture.  With Silica, mineral oil, etc ( see above) added.  You have been filling this mixture into little bottles, and selling it to the unsuspecting angling public for years. Do you actually add "scent" ?  Most unsporting. Whatever, a drop of any reasonable detergent works better, and has no mineral oil or other crap in it. Any chemist would be laughing himself sick at all this. If you are a chemist, then I am the Archangel Michael. Would you like an independent analysis of Gink as well?  No trouble I assure you. MC

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Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you get all this crap from ? Snipped a ton of ignorant guessing about many things you know NOTHING of. .  Americans were the boys in W.W.II that would take abandoned German Tanks, and get them running with a pair of pliers and bailing wire.  Then they would turn that 80 MM cannon around and pepper those Nazi’s asses.

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H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun.

It’s quite interesting how G alludes that Mike C’s posts are derogatory towards US citizens.  I assume that this is supposed to drum up support for his "case".

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You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance So don’t tell us we don’t know anything about engines, wrist pin.

ROFF Backyard Wrestling !  It’s a hoot ! I’m waiting for Chyna to come out and beat both of you over the head with a folding metal chair ! Your pal, — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Don Thompson writes: Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun.

Uh, Don, uh, you will confuse him with facts.  This is the guy that flew F-100s in Korea and shot down MiG-19s a year before they came out, and a year after the war ended.  Besides, by his own words, he tells us he has been tying flies for "four score years".  The sucker is over 100 years old, apparently. BTW, I have seen and fished with Mike Connor tied flies.  They are superb examples of the art, and he gave them freely without me asking, without me supporting him, without me endorsing anything.  Of course he hasn’t been tying for 80 something years like George……. I’ve also cast a rod designed and built by Mike.  I own (moment of insanity, I know) a rod built by Gehrke.  There is no comparison to the way Mike’s rod casts to the tomato stake that George made.  If only I had pulled a Vern at the The Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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I think it’s nothing This is something     H   H      l     l H-C=C-H      l     l     H   H This is something else which is supposed to destroy cells in some part of your body.  I forget which part. This is something better.     H   H      l     l H-C=C-OH      l     l     H   H The chemistry may explain why english beer is bad. %^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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I would ask you all to refrain from answering this until Mr Gehrke does so. I have my reasons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s nothing This is something

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That ain’t shit, look at this:                 S                     S                         S                             S                                 S                                 S                             S                         S                     S                 S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s nothing This is something     H   H      l     l H-C=C-H      l     l     H   H This is something else which is supposed to destroy cells in some part of your body.  I forget which part. This is something better.     H   H      l     l H-C=C-OH      l     l     H   H The chemistry may explain why english beer is bad. %^) H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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Now that’s a post for the ages, if I ever saw one.  Thanks for warmin’ my heart this morn Mike.  I am headed out to Wilson Creek in an hour to fish with another fine ROFFian, Wally Boy.  Mike you deserve a beer basket for this one.  If only I were so damned articulate! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you get all this crap from ?   Do you hear voices or something? Did some nutcase of your acquaintance and similar persuasion, mistake you for a tree, and hammer a nail in your head?   Just what the hell is the matter with you? To date we have been treated to various spectacle as a direct result of your general ignorance and incompetence. You are a chemist who does not know the first thing about even elementary chemistry, you are a pilot who has flown non-existent planes, you are an engineer who knows nothing of the by-products of internal combustion engines, an environmentalist who uses the most wasteful possible modes of transport,  you are an expert at fly-tying, although apparently unaware of how, or even if, many materials may be obtained and used, playwriting, poetry, hunting, casting and rod-building, we wont go into that, etc etc etc . And of course you are a genius ! Even the thought of somebody like you flying around in something as complex as an aeroplane gives me the shudders, even if you were only a passenger. You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. Absolutely amazing. Is there not at least some faint feeble aspect of your character which is not mean, ignorant, and nasty? Your proclamations, as far as they are decipherable, invariably bear incontrovertible witness to your ignorance. Just for your information, my phone bill is in excess of 250$ per month. Even though I have reduced my internet activities considerably. I only have a small business which I now operate completely single-handed.  It is successful, as my products and work are beyond reproach, I have not had a single customer return in all the years I have been self-employed. Not even the stuff I send  per UPS is faulted. A fact that I am extremely proud of. Doubtless UPS as well.  I work long hours at difficult and physically and mentally demanding work, and then I come on here for a bit of enjoyment and have to listen to loonies like you, who have probably never done a decent days work in their entire lives, have no discernible morals, and earn their money selling a load of awful shit, most of which they do not even understand, making various statements as if they had been handed down on tablets of stone. Perhaps I should start building rods or manufacturing floatant?   If some of the competition is indeed as lousy as its reputation suggests, then I ought to make a mint. Before you start spouting bullshit, at least make an attempt, no matter how feeble, to get some information on the subject first. What I earn is none of your business. But rest assured, I earn it. MC "The gaga continues".

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… You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. …

Priceless. A tad harsh on pigs and alley cats not to mention downright insulting to bricks but a ROFF Hall of Fame post nonetheless. — Ken Fortenberry

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Where do you get all this crap from ?  

Snipped a ton of ignorant guessing about many things you know NOTHING of. Look Connor, you old, wrong opinionated fool.  My rates for my Internet Service is $199.00 for a full year.  The DEDICATED phone line is $25.95 a month.  This is only $322.40 for a full year.  Amount of hours I use each month regarding Internet business exceeds 80 hours a month, which equates to about .32 Cents AN HOUR!  So what is your problem, moron? Don’t you believe these rates, you bullshit artist? Next, do you want me to send you a video tape of me flying my airplane? How about a grand tour of my chemistry lab?  Who gives a shit what YOU think?  Incidentally, there is nothing I don’t know about an internal combustion engine.  American kids, cut their teeth on them since puberty.  Americans were the boys in W.W.II that would take abandoned German Tanks, and get them running with a pair of pliers and bailing wire.  Then they would turn that 80 MM cannon around and pepper those Nazi’s asses. So don’t tell us we don’t know anything about engines, wrist pin. I bet if I said belly button, you would write a poem or essay on it for Roff? Okay, "Billy Button!" Connor, I know more about fly tying in my little finger then what you will know in the next fifty years.  I will say (for the record) you have a NICE signature as a fly tier, but what does the rest of your concerns amount too?  A waste of our valuable time because it proves nothing regarding what you know about us in America. I never, in all my life, saw anyone like you.  You jump on every subject,  you offer up endless amounts of crap we all already know about and you always seem to be looking for a pat on the head. Okay.  I can do that.   Nice Connor.  Nice Connor.  Good boy, Connor. Look?  Let me put it this way.  Pick one subject you don’t know anything about or ask me one question you don’t know the answer too, and I’ll teach you, okay? Or don’t you get the point?

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Look?  Let me put it this way.  Pick one subject you don’t know anything about or ask me one question you don’t know the answer too, and I’ll teach you, okay? Or don’t you get the point?

Here’s a topic for you George. It should be easy for you since you seem to know so much about the internet. Describe how to get non-blocking routing through a toriodal interconnect fabric of any dimension. Paul

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Exceeds $50,000 a year.  So what is the problem with paying $300 a year or

less for all the Internet Phone Time one would care to use, again, FOR A FULL YEAR without limits on amount of time. How cheap can you get? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

Where do you get all this crap from ?   Do you hear voices or something? Did some nutcase of your acquaintance and similar persuasion, mistake you for a tree, and hammer a nail in your head?   Just what the hell is the matter with you? To date we have been treated to various spectacle as a direct result of your general ignorance and incompetence. You are a chemist who does not know the first thing about even elementary chemistry, you are a pilot who has flown non-existent planes, you are an engineer who knows nothing of the by-products of internal combustion engines, an environmentalist who uses the most wasteful possible modes of transport,  you are an expert at fly-tying, although apparently unaware of how, or even if, many materials may be obtained and used, playwriting, poetry, hunting, casting and rod-building, we wont go into that, etc etc etc . And of course you are a genius ! Even the thought of somebody like you flying around in something as complex as an aeroplane gives me the shudders, even if you were only a passenger. You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. Absolutely amazing. Is there not at least some faint feeble aspect of your character which is not mean, ignorant, and nasty? Your proclamations, as far as they are decipherable, invariably bear incontrovertible witness to your ignorance. Just for your information, my phone bill is in excess of 250$ per month. Even though I have reduced my internet activities considerably. I only have a small business which I now operate completely single-handed.  It is successful, as my products and work are beyond reproach, I have not had a single customer return in all the years I have been self-employed. Not even the stuff I send  per UPS is faulted. A fact that I am extremely proud of. Doubtless UPS as well.  I work long hours at difficult and physically and mentally demanding work, and then I come on here for a bit of enjoyment and have to listen to loonies like you, who have probably never done a decent days work in their entire lives, have no discernible morals, and earn their money selling a load of awful shit, most of which they do not even understand, making various statements as if they had been handed down on tablets of stone. Perhaps I should start building rods or manufacturing floatant?   If some of the competition is indeed as lousy as its reputation suggests, then I ought to make a mint. Before you start spouting bullshit, at least make an attempt, no matter how feeble, to get some information on the subject first. What I earn is none of your business. But rest assured, I earn it. MC "The gaga continues".

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the sport and new to this board.  Is there somewhere I am supposed to look before asking basic newbie questions?  Or just ask away? Thanks, Ray

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I am new to the sport and new to this board.  Is there somewhere I am supposed to look before asking basic newbie questions?  Or just ask away? Thanks, Ray

You’ve already shown far more courtesy than the majority of newbies that come here for flyfishing advice. Thanks. We do have a FAQ http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ Other than that, read the rantings for a week or so to get the gist of the ongoing conversations and a feel for the "group dynamics", then wade right on in. It’s a nice enough place, and we even talk about flyfishing every now and then. Welcome to flyfishing & welcome to ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry

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I am new to the sport and new to this board.  Is there somewhere I am supposed to look before asking basic newbie questions?  Or just ask away?

There is not much of a FAQ, unfortunately.  Ask, and if you get flamed either flame back or ignore them.  Repeat.  Enjoy. Regards, Jeff

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I am new to the sport and new to this board.  Is there somewhere I am supposed to look before asking basic newbie questions?  Or just ask away?

Isn’t it a little late for that, erk? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I am new to the sport and new to this board.  Is there somewhere I am supposed to look before asking basic newbie questions?  Or just ask away? Thanks, Ray

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attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale

how the hell did wayno get on to yer machine bd? waldo

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attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt

Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale

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Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale

And Big Dale being the consumate Southern Gentleman that he is will be sure Marie does not lack in frozen alcoholic concoctions with paper umbrellas and all manor of Cajun inspired culinary contrivances. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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1.  Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance.

Just me and the dates you suggest, I will be there. 2.  Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.)

I would love both fresh and salt water, but I have not salt water gear….ummm honey, Richard wants to talk with you…Would it be possible to rent salt water fly equipment or would my 7 weight and old Pflueger work OK? I could get the maid to rinse it out each night for me. 3.  If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with).

My closest airport is Portland, Oregon PDX… 4.  Contact information.

If I die, send my ashes to my current spouse of 26 years at: (360) 944-7601 5.  Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area.

A dirt cheap hotel/motel would be great, but not rented by the hour if you know what I mean… As to where we all go, I think you should decide, Oh Clavemaster.  Besides I don’t speak the local language anyway, I will need an interpretor.  How do you say "No Budweiser, por favor" in the local tongue. I would love a budget suggestion for motel, car rental (do I need one?), licenses, equipment rental (if applicable), stuff like that… Chris Fanning

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The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast My suggestions for the name: Mardi Clave Clavi gra

The Fat Clave?  Er, is that in Kilobrandos?  <G  I suspect some atttendees might not like that…. Clave Slogan: "Show us your tips!"

Now that is good!  I like it…. Clave Mission Statement: "Sure, we could have chosen any number of world-renowned fly fishing venues, but getting smashed in the Quarter is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

Or I could just rewrite "Tubthumper"… "We’ll be drinkin’ And some fishin’ But mainly drinkin’ We’ll fall down, but we’ll get up again, Ain’t no one gonna keep us down…" Wayne Harrison has kindy offered to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," This does not suprise me.

It so unnerved me I said yes…<G.  Seriously, as I had no experience and limited time, his help is appreciated.  Plus, it gives me a scapegoat…<G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve    2025

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Richard, Upon reflection, sadly, thar ain’t no way in hades that I can attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As it appears this is developing into a shore ’nuff clave, here are some further details.  I will be gathering further info, such as specifics on hotels, fishing and general info websites, etc. this week and will keep y’all informed. The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast but suggestions are welcome…<G. The dates will be from basically Dec. 1, 2000 until December 8, 2000. The locations will be New Orleans, LA and Biloxi/Gulfport, MS.  Wayne Harrison has kindy offred to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," and we are asking all interest parties who have not yet done so to email me with the following infomation: 1.  Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance. 2.  Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.) 3.  If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with). 4.  Contact information. 5.  Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area.  Those wishing to camp on our land may do so, but there will likely be no plumbed water or electric hookups – more on this later – if you wish to camp, PLEASE let me know ASAP.  Of course, there are many public campgrounds available, and if we have campers interested and need help here, let me know.  Also, if you have budgetary concerns, let me know, and I’ll keep that in mind with recommendations. I had originally thought about half the time in the NO area, and half on the MS coast, with a possible side trip to AL, but the distances are such that it is possible for one to stay in either location and participate (about 1.5 hr. from NO to Gulf Coast) in many of the activities. There are several charter airline companies that offer discount packages to the MS Coast, and several casinos offer them as well, with the Grand Biloxi – Grand Gulfport and Beau Rivage likely offering the most.  I will have more info on this as well. Another welcome addition is the participation of the Mississippi Coast Fly Fishers.  I have talked to their President, and we will work together to plan at least some group activities.  This would allow a larger circle of potential new friends, and attendees to have access to local guides and boats. These are the people I am aware of currently expressing an interest.  If you are interested and missing, or added in error, please email me. Walt Winter Wayne Harrison Jeff Miller Tom Brown John Lever (LEEver) Charlie Choc Chris Fanning Frank Reid ? Big Dale ? Those with question marks have expressed an interest via post, but I have not received an email.  Please let me know… TC, R

– Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast

My suggestions for the name: Mardi Clave Clavi gra Clave Slogan: "Show us your rods!!" or "Show us your tips!" Clave Mission Statement: "Sure, we could have chosen any number of world-renowned fly fishing venues, but getting smashed in the Quarter is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity." Wayne Harrison has kindy offered to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister,"

This does not suprise me. –Steve    2025

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As it appears this is developing into a shore ’nuff clave, here are some further details.  I will be gathering further info, such as specifics on hotels, fishing and general info websites, etc. this week and will keep y’all informed. The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast but suggestions are welcome…<G. The dates will be from basically Dec. 1, 2000 until December 8, 2000. The locations will be New Orleans, LA and Biloxi/Gulfport, MS.  Wayne Harrison has kindy offred to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," and we are asking all interest parties who have not yet done so to email me with the following infomation: 1.  Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance. 2.  Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.) 3.  If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with). 4.  Contact information. 5.  Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area.  Those wishing to camp on our land may do so, but there will likely be no plumbed water or electric hookups – more on this later – if you wish to camp, PLEASE let me know ASAP.  Of course, there are many public campgrounds available, and if we have campers interested and need help here, let me know.  Also, if you have budgetary concerns, let me know, and I’ll keep that in mind with recommendations. I had originally thought about half the time in the NO area, and half on the MS coast, with a possible side trip to AL, but the distances are such that it is possible for one to stay in either location and participate (about 1.5 hr. from NO to Gulf Coast) in many of the activities. There are several charter airline companies that offer discount packages to the MS Coast, and several casinos offer them as well, with the Grand Biloxi – Grand Gulfport and Beau Rivage likely offering the most.  I will have more info on this as well. Another welcome addition is the participation of the Mississippi Coast Fly Fishers.  I have talked to their President, and we will work together to plan at least some group activities.  This would allow a larger circle of potential new friends, and attendees to have access to local guides and boats. These are the people I am aware of currently expressing an interest.  If you are interested and missing, or added in error, please email me. Walt Winter Wayne Harrison Jeff Miller Tom Brown John Lever (LEEver) Charlie Choc Chris Fanning Frank Reid ? Big Dale ? Those with question marks have expressed an interest via post, but I have not received an email.  Please let me know… TC, R

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Take a look at my website, then link to "Freshwater Fishing" – then scroll down to "Northwest Fishing Guides" – that is if you are interested in huge Steelhead… There are also listings for other outfitters, guides, packages etc. there. Mo —  For Free BC & Western Canada Information, visit http://www.cow-net.com/modrew/index – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

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Geez, the possibilities are endless, there’s tons of places here in BC wirh Car access, not too many people (during the week anyway) where you can get, in this order: 1.  Lots of rainbows and other trout in general, if size is not important. 2.  A few big trout 3.  Many big trout. And the catch is that each choice requires an increasing number of miles on logging roads and costs for lodges and or flying in.  Check out some of the fishing websites like www.anglingbc.com which have links to other areas. Lakes or rivers depending on the timing can be spectacular – just after ice-off in May up in rhe Kamloops/Merritt area can be a good time, late June/July long weekend on some of the interior rivers like the Clearwater, Mahood, Horsefly etc when the big sedges come off, Rainbow Alley on the Babine, Stuart, Blackwater…the Adams, Little, Shuswap when the sockeye fry are coming out…Timing is everything, you will need to define a specific time of visit, then plan what destinations are best at that secific time. Nothing, noplace is spectacular for more than a week or so depending on time of year and environmental factors.  Cheers, G.McD.

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well as far as few people is concerned I dont know about that the secret is out about the Bow River and south of us the Crowsnest pass but if you type in on your computer bow river you will find some experienced guides and stores here .. Bow River troutfitters.. Fish Tales and Jim Mclenans is co owner of Country Pleasures and has writtten several books on fishing in Alberta and the southern part of the province.. I would say contact any one of these shops here in the Calgary area when you come by and you will not be disappointed! Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

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I have fished the Stellako for the past 7 years. Some of the best catch and release rainbow I have ever had. Compares favourably to the San Juan just below the dam. Use stimulators and then caddis in the late evening. Stay at Stellako River Lodge on the bank. Best time, depending on weather ( read hatch) is usually June 15 to July 15. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Try Lake Diefinbaker in Saskatchwan, Big fish Big lake  Trout, Pike, Walleye, all on flys I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

Gerry Hudson remove "big country" for no spam

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Marty, Have a look here…http://www.douglaslake.com/index.html                                               Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

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If you want to fish for large, fat Redside rainbows in Mid-Late July, the try the Deschutes River in central Oregon.  There are about 25 small mountain streams, lakes and rivers in a 75 mile or so radius from this.  You could spend easily a week going to several places.  Main fishing on the Deschutes would be during the large stonefly (2"-3" pteronacys (sp) Californica), fish run 2-3 lbs average.  Lots of places to go, as well as lots of guides to take you to sweet spots.  Just MTCW. RRW

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The San Juan in New Mexico holds a special place in this angler’s heart. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

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I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty

        oh, hell, that’s easy:  just contact rick flet…NO! RICK! DON!T SHOO…(BANG!!!…thud!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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 CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER  BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Just a few inexpensive parts from Radio Shack and a little time and you can descramble every cable channel. See all your favorite movie channels,pay per view etc To recieve detail instructions and diagrams on how to construct your own Cable Box Descrambler Mail $5.00 CASH  MONEY ORDER  CHECK S&G Enterprise 12145 Augusta Woods Cir Suite 3 Orlando FL. 32824 Please be sure to include your full name & address Allow 10 days to recieve Thank You Seth Garner

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Attention, folks, this is illegal, and the cable suppliers have ways of finding your "black box". They can come a destroy it for you, too, and then prosecute you through the courts for theft of signal. Just thought you should be warned.  CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER  BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Just a few inexpensive parts from Radio Shack and a little time and you

can descramble every cable channel. See all your favorite movie channels,pay per view etc To recieve detail instructions and diagrams on how to construct your own

Cable Box Descrambler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mail $5.00 CASH  MONEY ORDER  CHECK S&G Enterprise 12145 Augusta Woods Cir Suite 3 Orlando FL. 32824 Please be sure to include your full name & address Allow 10 days to recieve Thank You Seth Garner

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        I reported the original of this article to both the postmaster originated from aol.  The assistant postmaster thanked me for letting her know about the post, told me it was a forgery, and said she had pulled it from usenet feeds.  The post had hit usenet and listservs before the postmaster could do anything.         If you see spam on the net, try to direct a copy of the post to the postmaster at the domaine listed.  This can help to stem the tide.         BTW, I saw the same post on the fly fishing and opera groups. I wonder … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Attention, folks, this is illegal, and the cable suppliers have ways of finding your "black box". They can come a destroy it for you, too, and then prosecute you through the courts for theft of signal. Just thought you should be warned.  CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER  BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Just a few inexpensive parts from Radio Shack and a little time and you can descramble every cable channel. See all your favorite movie channels,pay per view etc To recieve detail instructions and diagrams on how to construct your own Cable Box Descrambler Mail $5.00 CASH  MONEY ORDER  CHECK S&G Enterprise 12145 Augusta Woods Cir Suite 3 Orlando FL. 32824 Please be sure to include your full name & address Allow 10 days to recieve Thank You Seth Garner

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   BTW, I saw the same post on the fly fishing and opera groups. I wonder …

It was posted to every group I subscribe to. (alt.aquaria, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.wolves, rec.pets)         Denna Lasik         "Never take life seriously; it isn’t permanent."         DEATH TO SPAM

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Greetings fellow fur floggers, I have sent the controls to create this newsgroup.  If I have done it right, this should start appearing on newsservers shortly.  Please post a fishing image to help legitimize the ng.   We decided on .fishing, so that it will allow us to grow it to .fishing.fly, .salt, .naked or whatever.   Pray for the new group…(Or as they say in The Ghosts in the Darkness) Prey for the new group. TimW

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Greetings fellow fur floggers, We decided on .fishing, so that it will allow us to grow it to .fishing.fly, .salt, .naked or whatever.  

Given the sex-site spammers that have overrun all the .bin groups I bet you’re not far off with that.  The group appeared here today, so I’ll be looking for posts. — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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just a reminder of this groups existence and a call for posts there…it is starting to get some quality images in it. Tks. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Can’t get the group.  My ISP swears I have access to all the groups. Anyone have any ideas? — Mark N. Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297

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just a reminder of this groups existence and a call for posts there…it is starting to get some quality images in it. Tks. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent.

Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather.

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

July Issue

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather. It’s not that bad.  The Conejos has lots of fishable water, and there are better fishing spots in the higher streams, anyway.  I doubt that people will flock to Conejos County anyway, as it is not on the way to anywhere, and pretty far from a major metropolitan area.

Like the  uh, San Juan ? or the uh, Green ? or the uh, North Platte ? or the uh, Bighorn ? I think your favorite secret is safe for the time being.

No it’s not. It is under attack. TimW

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Sure.  I did it last month and had a blast! You can read a more extended description at the following URL:

I enjoyed reading your story.  We used to stay at Magote Meadows too. Grandpa had a travel trailer and we stayed in the RV park there.  My grandfather fished that river every summer from the early 70s until he died 2 years ago, and he was preparing to go back even then.  I have some of the best memories of my life up there. Bruce Wedding

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Mark: for the latest fishing conditions on the Conejos check www.thereellife.com/reellife/ Manuel Monasterio The Reel Life

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                                 Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                             Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

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I need to wash my Simms waders.  There are no fly shops where I live in Texas.  What is a good safe detergent to use on waders?                                 Chuck

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I need to wash my Simms waders.  There are no fly shops where I live in Texas.  What is a good safe detergent to use on waders?                            Chuck

Hi Chuck I always use the same liquid soap I have for washing dishes, not the powder stuff for the dish washing maching.  Be sure to get the inside rinsed thoroughly or you can get a real bad rash when you wear them if the soap residue is not removed. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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