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I was running a board, njflyfishing.com and took it down recently to make it a bit more attractive to users passing through.  It’s now back up and I’m using the best (well what I think is the best) Bulletin board software (VBulletin).  Anyone care to give it a try?  I’d like to know what is missing and what I need to make it a more likeable place to visit.  There are no advertisements or popups, I’m not into this to make money, I’m into it because I enjoy flyfishing and computers. Thanks for your help www.njflyfishing.com —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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Ok, I know it was ugly..  I’ve done some work to it over the weekend. I’ll be adding photo’s, river conditions, hatch information, and other stuff.  anyone feel like contributing ?   I could use a board moderator or two although at the time being, there is not much to moderate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was running a board, njflyfishing.com and took it down recently to make it a bit more attractive to users passing through.  It’s now back up and I’m using the best (well what I think is the best) Bulletin board software (VBulletin).  Anyone care to give it a try?  I’d like to know what is missing and what I need to make it a more likeable place to visit.  There are no advertisements or popups, I’m not into this to make money, I’m into it because I enjoy flyfishing and computers. Thanks for your help www.njflyfishing.com —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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Further, the waters recounted in the TR?article are not unique to that area, there is fishing like that all over this country.

Clark, just watched a FF program on OLN (tv station) in New Zealand with a kiwi guide called Dick Frasier. Have you heard of his lodge? Said it was 3 hours north of Queenstown. It look sort of rain foresty, so I figure it was near the west coast. Some amazing browns and bows. I was serendipitously reading your post at the same time. Tell ya, I gotta get back there and soon before the missus tell me it is time to   start to replicate ourselves (time to turn off those old Hawkwind records) …. Best, Gary PS Do you know your stuff is on Morpheus, the MP3 sharing program?

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As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible.

Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue." I am pleased to announce that by this logic I am fully booked for the season as an Italian-English translator, an AK-47 pilot, a brain surgeon, and a double naught spy. Wolfgang wanna buy some red-hots?

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As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow. I can quite honestly state to anyone here who wishes to retain me as a guide that I cannot take the booking. Further, if anyone here wishes to book at Poronui they should do so through appropriate channels, but I would recommend that they should be looking, at peak times, a good deal of time away as the lodge space is at a premium. If they cannot get in there then there are a number of great lodges happy to look after them. My recounting of fishing in the area was only because I thought it was of interest. As I have stated previously I am happy to provide information to anyone coming to areas I know who do not use a guide or lodge. Further I would add, Poronui is without doubt the leading lodge in New Zealand, many say, the world. Space is at a premium, it is difficult to get space there for any angler. They certainly do not need me to run infomercials for them and I do not. If you wish to book there you would not do so through me. My bookings with them, as an employee are done and I am solidly booked until the end of the season. These things aren’t up for debate, but your desire to do so makes me question your motives.. do you fish or just try to piss people off who do? Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue." I am pleased to announce that by this logic I am fully booked for the season as an Italian-English translator, an AK-47 pilot, a brain surgeon, and a double naught spy. Wolfgang wanna buy some red-hots?

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As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow.

That makes complete sense. At first, I actually thought you were going to quit fishing to resurrect your professional singing career. Fishing seems like the way to go if you ask me. –Steve

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The singing career is going great, I just missed fishing. I am fortunate that I can record my new album in winter, perform at some festivals, maybe even do a small tour during the winter months. If my time away from fishing told me anything it was how much I enjoyed helping others enjoy their ‘trip of a lifetime". There is no greater joy for me. To be paid for it is a bonus. Since I was small I have been consumed by catching trout. I still am, but having experienced near all of it’s thrills in this country my best way to enjoy the passion is to help others experience those things as well. Some here try to bring me down for that passion, I make no apology for it. That said, I have similar passion for my music, Country music, no matter how much I love it, and no matter how much recognition I have got for it just doesn’t pay the bills.  I don’t know you Steve, but I am assuming your post was an attempt at a dig at my singing career. If not, I got you wrong. I approach my singing career pretty simply. I do it for those who enjoy it. Those who don’t aren’t in the picture. I bear you no ill and hope all your fishing adventures are good ones. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow. That makes complete sense. At first, I actually thought you were going to quit fishing to resurrect your professional singing career. Fishing seems like the way to go if you ask me. –Steve

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As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue."

I thought that was interesting too. <g — Charlie…

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. Since I was small I have been consumed by catching trout. Some here try to bring me down for that passion, I make no apology for it.

        i have tried to follow your posting pattern, and those posts that you must be referring to, above; i can find no evidence that would support your conclusion.         i just think you walked into a barroom brawl and made a hasty decision concerning who you punch first. wayno

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Nonetheless, the way I see it, and that is what truly matters to me; if Mike’s ISP had cut him off, then they would have believe they had seen wrong doing on his part–according to their policies, if Mike decides to leave ROFF and return again, a million times, for whatever the reasons, that is his prerogative.

Certainly he does, but just as a few get all worked up over Ginkles, and some just a little miffed, the same applies to Mike and his constant, overly-dramatic Sarah Bernhardt exits and returns, and on more than one NG/board – he’s pulled this same crap on several of them.  It tends to be a pattern for Mike, and as far as I’m concerned, just as he has the prerogative to do that, others have the prerogative to call his tantrums as they see them.  IOW, basically, if he’s going to make his leaving a topic, he should expect it.  Why, assuming completely pure motives, should he always feel the need to make "an exit" and not simply quit reading, posting, of whatever, for such time?  If he didn’t do it for the attention, craving and wanting the "oh, no, please don’t leave!" nonsense, he wouldn’t do it. Mike and all you Euros, enjoy your ‘clave!

Absolutely!  And the non-Europeans who may attend, as well. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Op

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About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? Clark

About the lying and duping….  can you show me one instance of it?

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About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it?

If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

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As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

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Further, the waters recounted in the TR?article are not unique to that area, there is fishing like that all over this country. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Clark About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

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About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike didn’t lose his ISP, he closed his accvount. The ISP posted here saying they weren’t shutting him down. You have been duped by Connor’s lies and please for sympathy. Clark Well Mr.  I don

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   I wonder if the ironing bit is just precaution  or from experience in dealing with some  customers.

Probably experience unfortunately. . . .<g — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi

I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post.  I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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SunPatch has worked great for me, almost instant set in the sun. Unfortunately, last Monday night camping in the backcountry, I poked a hole in my Thermarest pad with a feed through needle knot tool tying on a new leader set up for a friend.  It was 38 degrees, not good for sleeping directly on cold ground after a hard day.  SunPatch may have worked great but will not set/cure ever until put in sun light.  In the future I am carrying both, SunPatch and Aquaseal. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post. I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester.

I’ll have to try that.  I usually just use Shout, but I don’t know if that helps protect water repellancy.  BTW, you are correct about the Gore-Tex just being a membrane.  It is sandwiched between a few layers of fabric because the actual Gore-Tex layer is very thin and is kind of like working with a piece of saran wrap. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester. — RalphH

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—– Original Message —– I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product?

Two things that might be of interest here Willi.  Some people were asking about cleaning waders so here is that info.  I tried getting it the other day, but Simms website was down.  If you want to check out the website, just click on the technologies menu and then Gore-Tex fabric.  At the bottom of that page are a bunch of questions.  Click on them to get the answers. "For your Simms/Gore-Tex Waders: Use a pre-wash treatment, such as Shout. Clean waders, either in the bathtub or in the machine on gentle (in cold water). Allow to dry completely. Some stains, such as fly dressings or sap, may be untreatable, but will not affect the breathability of the product. For Gore-Tex Rainwear: Use a pre-wash treatment (such as Shout

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Hi Folks, I made the long trip from Oz to Orlando for a conference and on Saturday 5th of May got out to Titusville for a fish. I wanted to stop in at The Flyfisherman store, but they didn’t open until 10am, so I sniffed out a likely spot on Mosquito Lagoon about 8am and got started. It was a windy as hell which limited my options and the water was pretty dirty. I put on a white and pink clouser and nervous of crocs, oops, gators, started wading. After 45 min of nothing, I hooked up solid to a decent sized fish in knee deep water that turned out to be a spotted sea trout about 3lb. Soon after I got another about 4lb or so. I really wanted to catch a red so I packed up and went into the Flyfisherman for help. The guys there were really friendly and Chris there drew me a map to one of his favourite secret spots (he doesn’t mind showing them to visitors from a far ). I went forth to spot X on the Indian R with some prefered local flies, being told to shuffle out to a knee deep grass bank and wait patiently for something to happen. After about 20 min, 3 or 4 big red tails popped up through the wind chop about 40 feet to my right. The wind was at that nasty level where flyline comes out of the rod tip sideways. I took 2 or 3 tries to get the fly to them and I ended up slamming it down right over where I thought they were. To cut a sad story short, I don’t know if I spooked them or if they just doddled along their way invisible under the choppy surface – but I didn’t get a touch off them and lost track of them. I stayed out there another 2 hours and didn’t see another thing! In calmer conditions, this kind of fishing would be fantastic, alas, I had my chances and dudded out completely on the reds. I will return!!!!! Thanks to Anis Popp and R Dean for their advice and putting me onto The Flyfisherman. Cheers John K Sydney Flyrodders — John Knight ALEMITE LUBREQUIP PTY LTD mobile 0407 959100 office 61-2-99382999 fax 61-2-99053631

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I stayed out there another 2 hours and didn’t see another thing! In calmer conditions, this kind of fishing would be fantastic, alas, I had my chances and dudded out completely on the reds. I will return!!!!!

Nice report.  I’ve only fished FL once since leaving Gainesville in the early 90s.  Your story brought back pleasant memories. At least you dudded out on the reds and not on the redds.  ;-)  Better luck next time. JR

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I’m glad you enjoyed yourself. I assume you were told Redds are quite moody and what spooks them one minute drives them to mall a fly the next. When the shrimp are running at haul over they’ll nail just about anything. Possibly the fish were cognizant of the shock to your nervous system that would have occurred if you had tied into one of the biggie redds of the area. When you consider most of them caught are too BIG to keep you can see why this is a popular fishing spot. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks, I made the long trip from Oz to Orlando for a conference and on Saturday 5th of May got out to Titusville for a fish. I wanted to stop in at The Flyfisherman store, but they didn’t open until 10am, so I sniffed out a likely spot on Mosquito Lagoon about 8am and got started. It was a windy as hell which limited my options and the water was pretty dirty. I put on a white and pink clouser and nervous of crocs, oops, gators, started wading. After 45 min of nothing, I hooked up solid to a decent sized fish in knee deep water that turned out to be a spotted sea trout about 3lb. Soon after I got another about 4lb or so. I really wanted to catch a red so I packed up and went into the Flyfisherman for help. The guys there were really friendly and Chris there drew me a map to one of his favourite secret spots (he doesn’t mind showing them to visitors from a far ). I went forth to spot X on the Indian R with some prefered local flies, being told to shuffle out to a knee deep grass bank and wait patiently for something to happen. After about 20 min, 3 or 4 big red tails popped up through the wind chop about 40 feet to my right. The wind was at that nasty level where flyline comes out of the rod tip sideways. I took 2 or 3 tries to get the fly to them and I ended up slamming it down right over where I thought they were. To cut a sad story short, I don’t know if I spooked them or if they just doddled along their way invisible under the choppy surface – but I didn’t get a touch off them and lost track of them. I stayed out there another 2 hours and didn’t see another thing! In calmer conditions, this kind of fishing would be fantastic, alas, I had my chances and dudded out completely on the reds. I will return!!!!! Thanks to Anis Popp and R Dean for their advice and putting me onto The Flyfisherman. Cheers John K Sydney Flyrodders — John Knight ALEMITE LUBREQUIP PTY LTD mobile 0407 959100 office 61-2-99382999 fax 61-2-99053631

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The ones I saw I guessed at 10-15lb. I was just above knee deep and they had big fat tails sticking up 4"-5" from the chop. It was good fun – Chris at The Flyfisherman said he has seen them tailing in 3 feet of water so I know what you mean about maximum sizes. When they are close by can you hear or feel them? About the time I saw them I sensed croaking or popping sounds coming up my spine and at the back of my neck – was that them or something else (like shrimps) they  were feeding on? Sorry about the name John, I went from memory yesterday. Regards John K Sydney Flyrodders

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Thanks to Anis Popp and R Dean for their advice and putting me onto The Flyfisherman.

You’re more than welcome. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cheers John K Sydney Flyrodders

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– John Popp in Sanford Fl.

The ones I saw I guessed at 10-15lb. I was just above knee deep and they had big fat tails sticking up 4"-5" from the chop. It was good fun – Chris at The Flyfisherman said he has seen them tailing in 3 feet of water so I know what you mean about maximum sizes. When they are close by can you hear or feel them? About the time I saw them I sensed croaking or popping sounds coming up my spine and at the back of my neck – was that them or something else (like shrimps) they  were feeding on?

They do croak, like a croaker. Most people miss that as they fish from boats. They must have been on a young oyster bed, they make a popimg sound as the fish crush the shells. they will often also leave a cloud like discoloration in the water. It’s not bottom but the crushed up shell fish remains they emit. As for gators, they do frequent the intercoastal occasionally but prefer fresh water right now folks who have pools close to open water better look before they leap. by the way you were just a bit early due to the weather, but then a good spot kinda beats a brookie. And I was hopeing for you. John Popp in Sanford Fl. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry about the name John, I went from memory yesterday. Regards John K Sydney Flyrodders

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Hey Dean;     While you were in G-ville did you ever get over to St.Augestine Beach to fish flounder with a fly? I tied into a winter flounder over there about 20 yrs ago that measured exactly 3′. Did it on a 6wt fiberglass, it took about 45 min. to get it out of the water. It spit the fly when on the beach. Man we hustled to keep it from being a catch and return. My wife grabbed the rod and pinned it and I belly flopped on it. It was delicious. I think that was a once in a lifetime experience for a po boy. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to Anis Popp and R Dean for their advice and putting me onto The Flyfisherman. You’re more than welcome. TC, R Cheers John K Sydney Flyrodders

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I thought the popping sound was them – damn I’m cranky I never got one. I saw a big gator on the Mosquito Lagoon side – about 8′ – laying on the fresh water side of the roadway. A kid picnicking with his parents pointed it out to me, he was throwing bait at it. Dopey things – Believe me, there is no way I would have been that close to an Aussie croc without a .44! Cheers John K

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Excellent advice

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At first I thought this was a good suggestion, but after thinking about it, I’m not too sure.  You will need a bit more 3 weight line in the air to load it the same as the 5 weight, but this is OK since for delicate presentation it wouldn’t hurt to be 10 feet farther away anyway – presumably those trout are spooky?

When I want to use a light outfit, I’m usually fishing with small flies using long leaders and trying to achieve a delicate presentation and a drag free drift. Usually casts are in the short range in order to control drag. It’s generally much more effective to carefully stalk a feeding fish than to make a long cast that’s difficult to control. Likewise, you lose a bit off the top end of the casting distance range if you cast a 6 or 7 weight.  But if you can cast 60 feet with a 5 line, you should be able to get at least 50 out of the heavier ones, give or take a couple feet.

When I fish a heavy outfit, I usually looking for distance and power. I also don’t know how many rods could deal with a haul being overlined by two weights. Willi

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At first I thought this was a good suggestion, but after thinking about it, I’m not too sure.

I’ve been doing this to some degree or another for many years, sometimes on purpose, other times through ignorance. As Jeff puts it, ’tis a compromise, but isn’t most of flyfishing anyway? Seldom have I had such ideal conditions in my fishing that I could pick ONE perfect outfit, even if there was an infinite assortment of equipment waiting for me at the bank from which to choose! Anyway, FWIW, this idea does work to a point. And as for rod damage from overlining, doesn’t fighting a good fish put at least as much or more strain on the rod than a temporary overlining situation? (Legitimate question–not a troll.) Cheers, Rick

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When I want to use a light outfit, I’m usually fishing with small flies using long leaders and trying to achieve a delicate presentation and a drag free drift. Usually casts are in the short range in order to control drag.

I didn’t explicitly state it, but don’t you expect a range of 0 to xx feet from an outfit?  In other words, do you sometimes cast a few feet of line and the leader?  If so, the cast would remain virtually the same with 2 lines less. When I fish a heavy outfit, I usually looking for distance and power. I also don’t know how many rods could deal with a haul being overlined by two weights.

I agree this would be a bad time to use my suggestion.  But as I said, it doesn’t solve all problems, just some. Regards, Jeff

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Anyway, FWIW, this idea does work to a point. And as for rod damage from overlining, doesn’t fighting a good fish put at least as much or more strain on the rod than a temporary overlining situation?

I would certainly think so, except for the backward direction  I don’t know if the "2 way" bending vs 1 way bending means anything at all.  Something to do with the spine perhaps??? Regards, Jeff

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I would certainly think so, except for the backward direction  I don’t know if the "2 way" bending vs 1 way bending means anything at all.  Something to do with the spine perhaps??? Regards, Jeff

With all of the debate on where to place the guides relative to the spine, could that matter much? Cheers, Josh Haag

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If you fish sinking tips and full sink lines a lot, you want the spine to lift them out of the water.  If you’re interested in distance casting, then you know the spine has to be so the power is all delivered on the forward stroke.  Almost sounds like sex. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would certainly think so, except for the backward direction  I don’t know if the "2 way" bending vs 1 way bending means anything at all.  Something to do with the spine perhaps??? Regards, Jeff With all of the debate on where to place the guides relative to the spine, could that matter much? Cheers, Josh Haag

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I did the casting class yesterday at the local flyfishing shop. It was pretty cool. I tried 4 different rod weights with different lines. I seem to do best with a 6wt rod. I even managed a fair imitation of a roll cast. I bought a Reddington 5/6wt rod, a Concept 2 reel and extra spools with some cheapie #5, #6, and #7 lines to practice with. The rod acts so differently with the different lines and lengths. The rod is  a little stiff with the #5 line, until I get a lot of line out, better with the #6 on moderate lengths. #7 does load up the rod fast, but I think it’ll work best for shorter ~very~ accurate casts.

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To anyone who’s past the beginner stage, it’s obvious that different rigs are best for different situations.  A 2 or 3 weight for most delicate presentation, a heavier line for longer casts with more air resistant flies, a shorter rod for brush, a longer rod for nymphing pocket water, etc.etc.  While we would all like about a dozen rods in the gear hound tradition, here is a suggestion for reducing the number of rods you feel you need to buy (at least for those of us who didn’t make $10 million in stocks and forgot to get out by now I think most of us take the rod/line matching too literally.  A line is classified by its weight, and that weight is measured for the first 30 feet of the line only.  Related to this is the fact that a rod’s weight classification is determined by how it casts with exactly that 30 feet of line.  Normally the builder is supposed to *optimize* a given rod weight for 30 feet of a given line wieght.  Stop to think about it for a second and you’ll realize that this doesn’t happen in the real world too often.  In fact a mathmetician would tell you that technically it NEVER happens. Practically speaking, we are in effect constantly changing the fly line weight we are casting, but not the rod weight.  The fact that this works fine proves that rods can handle a number of different line weights at different casting distances. For example, let’s say you have a 6 wgt rod.  When casting 30 feet of 6 wgt line, or about 26 feet of 7 weight line, or about 23 feet of 8 weight line, or about 34 feet of 5 weight line, or about 39 feet of 4 weight line – it’s all the same in terms of line weight loading the rod!  Put another way, casting a 4 line on a 4 rod with a casting range of 10-50 feet is about the same as casting a 6 line on a 4 rod with a casting range of 7-40 feet, roughly. You can use this information to tailor the rod/line combo to match the situation.  And you can do this by changing your line instead of changing your rod in many instances.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we can all do with 1 rod.  But perhaps you can get by with 1 rod instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3, or 4 instead of 6.  Buy multiple lines, spool them up on spare spools for your reel, and in effect you’ve bought a different outfit for $30 or $40 instead of $200 or $400. Another advantage of this approach is that you would never (or very rarely) take a second or third rod on a hike or upstream with you.  On the other hand, it’s very easy to toss a couple extra spools with different line in your vest. All those extra rods you bought don’t as much good if you can only use 1 per trip or "session".  Switching reel spools midstream is a piece of cake. Switching rods midstream ain’t happenin’.  (yes, technically you could drag a tube with you or stash an 8-piece rod in your vest…) So if you feel you need a 3 weight for delicate presentation, a 5 weight for all around use, and a 6 or 7 weight for throwing bigger woolly buggers or smallmouth patterns, git yerself a 5 weight rod and 3 different lines to go with it.  You will need a bit more 3 weight line in the air to load it the same as the 5 weight, but this is OK since for delicate presentation it wouldn’t hurt to be 10 feet farther away anyway – presumably those trout are spooky? Likewise, you lose a bit off the top end of the casting distance range if you cast a 6 or 7 weight.  But if you can cast 60 feet with a 5 line, you should be able to get at least 50 out of the heavier ones, give or take a couple feet. On the other hand, if you are making shorter casts  (for example in pocket water or tighter brush), the 6 or 7 will be a better match with the 5 wgt rod. Bottom line – just changing line weights can’t solve all your problems, but it can be as good or a better solution in a lot of cases, and it’s sure a hell of a lot cheaper than buying that many more rods. Regards, Jeff

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Yes, Mu did do a nice job.  But Fortenberry?? <sad result of mixing medications snipped Casting pearls before swine … sigh. — Ken Fortenberry

Tell me sir, what hatch would you be matching? Peter

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Great post, Mu.   Thanks George Adams

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Spat!! Dam zooplancton fiends. Dave Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An oyster hatch, of course…

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.9911152326420.7203- <Reluctantly Removed Nicely done… My I have your permission to dress it up in pretty HTML and post on my site? Full credit to the author of course! Cheers! — Michael Era

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Nice job, Joe!  You said exactly what I’ve been thinking. The pettyness and personal attacks have gone on too long. IMO, both Ken and George have, in the past, posted many worthwhile comments.  Lately, I’ve been skipping anything by either of them because I’m sick of the off-topic rants. Too bad for me because I’ve probably missed some grains of wisdom. Dave Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. clipped! Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder.

I’d share a bottle of Laphroig with George anytime. Just my $.02

Worth at least 3 or 4, in my book. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter

No Peter, You’ve fallen behind a little now!  "The Famous Grouse" is the tipple these days. — Bill

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I don’t listen to anyone whose opinion I don’t respect Bill and that is something that has to be earned. It doesn’t come with a smart mouthed repost on a newsgroup! — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well.

 Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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 On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one"

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter

because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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It is amazing  how some of you are so two faced and cowardly that lurk among us.  The latest bullshit is going to stop and its going to stop right here.  All of you can either watch or join in.    I am going to do this systematically and point out by time and date the two-faced, lying hypercritical rag-mouth that Fortenberry really is. This will be short and sweet.  The we will move onto the latest news in my and your lives. I will begin by answering K.F’s post about GRAND AMERICAN DEAL OF THE YEAR and then onto one more or two.  It went like this, what he posted. Technically, Spam is unsolicited commercial email. We call Gehrke’s repeated commercial postings to ROFF Spam, but technically it’s Usenet abuse. Spam is illegal in Virginia, other states are considering similar laws. Spam is criminal. What Gehrke does to ROFF is not an actual crime, but a cybercrime. He has Spammed us, of course, and through poor mailing list management allowed others to Spam us. I doubt he’ll do it again. There’s really nothing we can do about ROFF abuse other terminate his account if enough of us bitched about him. I don’t know that it would deter Gehrke in the long run. He’s lost accounts at least once before and he shows no signs of having learned anything from the experience. In my opinion he’s just shooting himself in the foot by advertising here. He makes far more enemies than potential customers by abusing ROFF and in the long run that will be our best defense. Just don’t buy anything from anyone that advertises in ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry Go to this one to see retort.

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correct K.F. about anything.  He knows what he is doing and so does everyone else here.   I just want to make the following points and the subject is closed. 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again. End of discussion. Mr. G. Now then, on to new and more exciting things.  Let’s have some fun!

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Mr. G wrote 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

My opinion is that the level of commercialism you engage in on ROFF is not tactful.  You step over the line.  But I admit, that’s just one person’s opinion.  Thing is, I believe that many agree with me. Would you consider not advertising your products here if it were clear to you that most people find that many of your posts are too commercial? Like you, I am absolutely against any kind of control of this newsgroup aside from self control.  I just wish that you would exercise the latter. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again.

You are not a cybercriminal.  But you are a spammer according to what I consider to be spam.  If I’m the only one who thinks this, then hey…ignore me.  But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify your commercial posts as spam. —                                                       -dnc-

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But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify

your commercial posts as spam.< True, but it’s *our* spam.  I for one have no problem with a group regular "spamming" the group.  For the most part, I consider that to be information, not spam.  Outsiders are a different thing, of course, but I find George’s posts to be of considerable interest.  And when I don’t, I just go to the next post.  No big deal.  Sure, it takes up some bandwidth, but to me, that’s no problem, ‘tho I realize it has been for others: I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

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(snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants.   Dave LaCourse

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants. Dave LaCourse

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Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  

The email problems were after he left, I think. People were emailing him for advice and asking him to write poems (he never did name names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back.

Excuse the intrusion, but I would appreciate it if the subject header did not include my name. HOT DAMN, Illini 32 Ohio State 27 at the half. If the men in Orange & Blue pull this one off I may just have to drive up to Chicago and watch tomorrow’s game in person. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter "There is a Demon within us  whose soul belongs to hell  Won’t someone save us sinners" "The sun goes down"

<snip  names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

No, nothing that sinister, just George. He has irritated some people and been irritated by some people. Words and spam have been exchanged. Unfortunately, some good folks have decided to forgo roff as part of their daily diet. ‘Business’ as usual on roff<g. — Charlie…

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 If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

That’s one option, and the one most often recommended. Unfortunately one cannot go to rec.crafts.dollhouses and discuss fly fishing. If you want to dicsuss fly fishing on Usenet, this is the place. If you see malfeasance here you either speak up or accept it. I choose the former. — Ken Fortenberry

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Naw — they drink Macallan Scotch and smoke pipes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

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Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. Firstly George, I’ll state up front that I generally like you and find your informational posts helpful.   Your willingness to share your knowledge and opinions are a positive contribution to this newsgroup.   However: 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

This is quite true.   The is no point to "rules" because there is no practical way to enforce them.   When we see behavior we object to, our best alternative is to publicly inform the offender.   If enough people join in the objection, we can hope that the offending party will realize that he/she has stepped over the line of commonly accepted behavior.   If no one else objects, we must consider that our personal standards may not be congruent with those of the ng as a whole. Now George, I think it has been clear that while your abundant commercial posts were also informational and  accepted without comment by many, a significant portion of the ng had a problem with them.   I think that the number of posts (no, I didn’t count them) complaining or otherwise commenting on your "over-commercialism" and even using the "S" word should have been an indication to you that you had stepped over the line into a kind of tactful commercialism that the group didn’t tolerate.   Even I nearly put you in my kill file, and I like you.   For ROFF to be able to police itself, people must be occasionally willing to back off and look at what the ng is really telling them. George and Ken F. –  I have been somewhat amazed that many of your posts have been extremely thoughtful and intelligent, yet some of your personal attacks on each other were so far over the line as to defy logic.   Many here cannot espouse a rational opinion without personal invective and name-calling, yet you both seem simultaneously capable and irrational at times.   From my observations (more time lurking than posting), nasty personal attacks are neither acceptable to nor appreciated by the ng members.   Sometimes turning the other cheek or taking the high road can do a lot of good toward solving a problem; and you’ve both tried it on occasion.   My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format.

We are who we are. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again

I guess all I can say is that you need to trust us more.   Most of us are intelligent folks.  We know what spam is and we know what criminals are. We consider the source.   An extreme example was the dear, departed D-Version.   Who gave a shit what he said?   I think you sometimes defend yourself more vociferously than necessary against irrational posts.   To those who respect you, no defense is necessary.   To those who dislike you, any defense is pointless. On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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I want to get into fly fishing in the surf off of Southern California. Plan to use an 8 wt…..what is a good line to use? I was thinking something like the Teeny T-300….any advice? Thanks in advance.

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I want to get into fly fishing in the surf off of Southern California. Plan to use an 8 wt…..what is a good line to use? I was thinking something like the Teeny T-300….any advice? Thanks in advance.

The T-300 is a great line.  I have a HiD "big game" Triangle Taper that I like alot.  The biggest issue is that as a beginner you will probably fish better with a sinktip, as controlling a full sinking line in the surf is not exactly easy.  It gets under your boots and around your legs much more frequently, and until you learn to handle it you are out of touch with your flies alot of the time.  If you already own the T-300 just learn to use it.  But if you also own a 13 to 20 foot high speed sinktip, you might want to use that until you get better at line handling. Phil

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I want to get into fly fishing in the surf off of Southern California. Plan to use an 8 wt…..what is a good line to use? I was thinking something like the Teeny T-300….any advice? Thanks in advance.

YOU WILL DO WELL with shooting heads.  In fact, better. Mr. G.

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that is what I call an excellent response. Thank you for being specific about lines and how to. bill

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that is what I call an excellent response. Thank you for being specific about lines and how to. bill

thorough indeed, but it is just one side of a very complex story.  If we are talking short (30 to 45 foot) casts PARALLEL to shore, which is what most beginners and many old timers will be doing in California (North and South), I would still contend that a beginner would be better served with a sinktip than a full sinking line or shooting taper.  As I stated earlier, I rely on full sinking lines, preferring them to Shooting Tapers, since changing line density isn’t important (fastest sink you have is all you need), and that and distance are the only advantages of the shooting taper over a full sinking line.  Line handling problems, the inability to make aerial mends, and finger cuts are all good arguments for avoiding shooting heads whenever possible.  By the way I do use shooting heads extensively for lakes, steelhead, shad, Jetties, rare occasions when I’m casting straight out, and rocky coastal shoreline so I don’t have a problem with them, I just restrict them to where they really shine.  I especially stand by my recommendation to stick with what you already own, rather than run out and buy the new rage thing. Phil

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Perhaps I should explain myself a little better: thorough indeed, but it is just one side of a very complex story.  If we are talking short (30 to 45 foot) casts PARALLEL to shore, which is what most beginners and many old timers will be doing in California (North and South), I would still contend that a beginner would be better served with a sinktip than a full sinking line or shooting taper.

The biggest reason for using a lead head is precisely because so much of the casting is PARALLEL to shore.  When casting parallel to shore you are putting the greatest amount of line against the wave action of the surf.  This is like casting directly across a current.  The current (wave action in the surf) exihibits the greatest influence on the line pushing it sideways and causing a belly in the line.  And of course the waves not only go in, they also ebb back out.  Little time is spent without motion in the surf. Floating line is the fattest and most susceptible to this action.  The good news is you can mend it, the bad news is you can’t mend it fast enough or well enough to compensate satisfactorily for the action unless there is a lot of time between waves.  The sink-tip is only slightly better because at least part of it sinks into the strike zone (sometimes as shallow as 1 1/2 ft, sometimes as deep as 6 to 8 feet or more).  The full sinking line sinks along the entire line which prohibits mending but gets the fly down better than the other two.  The fastest sinking line you have will work the best.   It will be the thinnest and least susceptible to the movement of the surf and you have to remember that salt water is more bouyant than freshwater.  Sinking lines don’t sink as fast in the salt.   The lead head allows you to use 300+ grains of weight in 24 ft of line (as opposed to ~210 grains for 30 feet an 8 wt.) and is much thinner than any sinking line.  More weight and less surface area allows the line to get down quicker and stay in the zone longer especially when casting PARALLEL to shore.  Again, a casting basket makes a world of difference in the frustration factor. Now the news about the expense of one of these lines is that you can make your own for less than $10 or buy one for $12 to $14.  Amnesia for a shooting line will set you back around $3.50.  If you opt for the flat beam running line, it will cost you $7. No more than $21 at the most.   If you don’t want to invest in an extra spool and backing, just remove your floating line from your current 8 or 9 wt. rig and tie on the running line and shooting head.   Probably won’t break the bank and will save you the frustration I went through using all of the lines I have mentioned. As I stated earlier, I rely on full sinking lines, preferring them to Shooting Tapers, since changing line density isn’t important (fastest sink you have is all you need), and that and distance are the only advantages of the shooting taper over a full sinking line.

Even forgetting about the distance, the comparison is not even close.  Even the fastest sinking full line won’t sink or track as well as the lead head.  Their diameter is too large and their weight too little. Bear in mind that the first 30 feet of an 8 wt. floating line weighs exactly the same as the first 30 feet of an 8 wt. type V sinking line.  Higher density lines just have the same weight in less space.  That’s what *density* is all about. Line handling problems,

Casting basket eases the tangle problem and will still keep your fly in the zone longer than full sinking lines even with the occaisional tangle. the inability to make aerial mends, and finger cuts are all good arguments for avoiding shooting heads whenever possible.

Type of line has *nothing* to do with aerial mends.  How and where you move the tip of the rod *after* you make the stop on the forward cast determines where the aerial mend goes, not whether or not it is a full sinking line or a shooting head.  "Aerial mend" means repositioning the the line *while* it is in the air. Finger cuts can be avoided by using saltwater tape or stripping guards on your stripping fingers.  White adhesive tape works OK if you can’t find the specific saltwater stuff.  I also use tape or stripping guards when using a floating line for bonefish.  Part of the problem with line cuts comes from the abrasive nature of the salt in the water.  The thinner running line does aggravate it, but the greater fishing success helps compensate for this. *SNIP* I especially stand by my recommendation to stick with what you already own, rather than run out and buy the new rage thing.

Using whatever you can absolutely beats not fishing, but using the right tool for the job makes a big difference.   Lead core lines have been around longer than modern fly lines, so I wouldn’t call them the "new rage thing".  Casting is the biggest problem most people have with lead heads and if you like I will give some suggestions in another post because this one is already way too long. I don’t mean to sound rude, but I see no reason why someone should go through all the hoops I did to arrive at this solution.  Nonetheless, do whatever you like to do, because you are the only one you have to please to enjoy this sport and you may like to use a different method.  I just think you should give this a try.                                        Hope this clarifies my statements a bit,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I want to get into fly fishing in the surf off of Southern California. Plan to use an 8 wt…..what is a good line to use? I was thinking something like the Teeny T-300….any advice? Thanks in advance.

Up in N. Cal one of the most popular lines for surf fishing is a lead head. This sounds scary, but actually works really well.  You can make your own or buy one from Orvis for $14.  I snagged one of the Orvis heads and then cut it back from 30 ft. to 24 ft. and put a loop on the end I cut off.  Works well on my 8 wt.  I use amnesia for the running line, but am going to try the flat beam running line ($7) that we just got in at the Orvis SF store.  Casting basket is a big help to control the running line.   The reason this works so well is that the lead core tracks far better than anything else in the surf.  Floating lines are real tough because the floating section gets whipped back and forth by the wave action so badly.  Same thing with sink tips.  Sometimes the full sinking lines work ok, but usually their cross-section is too big and gets pushed around by the waves too.  The thin lead core (I believe this is the 13gr. per foot version) sinks quickly in the more bouyant saltwater and stays in the trough or channel longer than other lines.  More time in the target area means more fish.  Not the most fun to cast, but not bad with some practice and very effective.                       Hope this helps,                               Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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The shad run here in the Annapolis River of Nova Scotia is now at or near its peak peak.  The annual Shad Fishing tournament was just completed and for the second year in a row, the prize for the flyfishing catagory was determined by lot – i.e no shad were caught on the fly. Does anyone have any general advice re catching those darned things on a fly?  Sure would appreciate any help re patterns, method etc. Les

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The shad run here in the Annapolis River of Nova Scotia is now at or near its peak peak.  The annual Shad Fishing tournament was just completed and for the second year in a row, the prize for the flyfishing catagory was determined by lot – i.e no shad were caught on the fly. Does anyone have any general advice re catching those darned things on a fly?  Sure would appreciate any help re patterns, method etc. Les

These shad drove me nuts on the Merrimac for years. I always fished them quartering down, expecting a hit on the drift, like most salmonid type fish. Finally started hooking them by using a Hi-D head with a weighted fly on the bottom with very slow strips. Lose a lot of flies that way, but it’s the only way I could get them to hit. They fight great, but it’s almost like bait fishing :-

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It’s possible that our western experiences in flyfishing for Shad might be of some assistance.  We usually fish them in heavy water (8,000 cfs or better), and the key is finding their depth in the particular channel you are casting to.  I usually start with a Hi-D, extra fast sink shooting head, then work up.  Shad seem to travel at very specific depths on their upstream movements, and I have found they will not move very much to look at a fly.  The casting we use is a quarter upstream, then mend to give the fly a dead drift. ANY drag on the fly, and you might as well shoot again. Some strikes are very soft, so keep your index finger lightly under the shooting line to detect.  Other strikes (usually near the end of the drift) are like freight trains.  To summarize: look for proper depth, and MEND. If you’ll E-Mail me, I’ll send you by regular mail, two patterns that work very well out here.  They are bright (flourescent yellow is good) and beady-eyed.  The common crappie fly, available anywhere, works very well.

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I live in CO., and I’m planning on doing some fly fishing for lake trout this year.  I know several places to go, but I don’t know what flies or techniques to use.  Please post any suggestions on fly patterns and methods to use for lake trout.

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planning on doing some fly fishing for lake trout this year.  I know several places to go, but I don’t know what flies or techniques to use.  Please post any suggestions on fly patterns and methods to use for lake trout."     I’ve never ffed in CO, but in CA I’ve had some success with calebaetis sparkle duns, fished in shallow water near weed beds, during the mid-day hatch.  Fish were taking size16, but that was last Sept–maybe larger in spring.  Some swear by nymphs, like a PT, but I find drys easier & more fun when fish will take them.  By the way, the lake I’m talking about has a water temp around 47 deg F, even in warm weather, and I fish from a boat.  

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I live in CO., and I’m planning on doing some fly fishing for lake trout this year….

I go for lakers in NH on a regular basis.  Almost always trolling large (2,4 6X-10X) streamers, especially early in the year.  Gray ghost, red ghost, Lake St. John are some good patterns.  See American Angler on tying New England streamers from this winter.  Have fun. Martin

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