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So George, you’ve found yet a new way to assert your commercial presence here…by creating new subject lines…make that HEADLINES several times a day? Don’t you have your own chatroom to manipulate? Bastards All & Lovin Them! Gehrke Fly Rods Best Buy in Nation Chat Site Alive and Well! Since February I have tried to see you as an unfairly treated person here. I find no reason to continue trying. Enough is enough. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

this.  That you feel relieved is another question regarding you being able to think for yourself is in question with me.  You could have inspected the qualities of a fine fly rod first hand.  That you seem to have ‘a need’ to post such a remark in public, I regard as disappointing as it does not hurt me as much as it does you. A fair man wouldn’t have done this. Why did you do this?  We never did anything to you but work our hearts out for you. christ. Mr. G.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison Keep Livestock Away From Our Rivers and Streams. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison

______  Harrison, you’re very bit of what Doug Knight says you are. None of it good.  This style of post of yours again proves what kind of person you really are and always have been in ROFF. Mr. G.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me. Mr. G.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

As much as it hurts to say it, I have to agree with George on this one. I have no problem if someone wants to cancel their order but your public statements only point out your preference for bolting with the herd rather than thinking for yourself or just checking it out first hand. Let’s face it. When George started this whole thing it was painfully clear that it was a risk to order a rod from someone that was taking on a fairly demanding technical task for the first time, regardless of what he said. If you didn’t think it was a risk (and the posts at that time made it pretty clear it was) then you were painfully naive. That risk has not changed since the beginning yet you have gotten nervous and bolted at the end. This is still OK by me but what is the purpose of publicly venting your "relief" at this juncture since you have absolutely nothing concrete to add to the debate except to proclaim this herd behavior? I would be embarrassed to publicly advertise that behavior if I were in your position. There have certainly been problems and George has been George. I have read nothing here that is any different than what George has posted since he first appeared on ROFF, so what else is new?! You guys act as if this is all a big surprise. Get real. If you were misled about what it might be like to deal with George on this, I would suggest it was in part done by yourselves and a lust for a new bamboo rod at what was initially hoped to be bargain basement prices. Maybe its time for a reality check and to get over it. As a disclaimer, this post is certainly not a defense of George. Some of the things that have gone on seem reprehensible to me and George is far from pure. Too much said. Jon "sucked into this thread" McAnulty

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself … SNIPPED

Exactly my thoughts!  At this point I don’t care how great they might be- I’m willing to skip ever finding out, just so I don’t have to deal with this guy and run the risk of being publicly demeaned. What a freakin’ nutcase. Before you buy.

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…I wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me.

And THIS is a serious problem because you don’t do any of it for yourself either.

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Nice to see the Mrs. has the same accumen. Tom

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

It seems to me that the very essence of a public forum such as this newsgroup is to provide an opportunity for anyone to express an opinion; any opinion.  That someone chooses to express an opinion which has a bearing on the central issues covered in this particular newsgroup should not be lamented.  Consider also that the negative reports on Mr. Gerhke’s products undoubtedly do him a lot less damage than does his own behavior in this forum.  Moreover, his incessant peddling of his products here opens the door for responses pertaining to those products even when, as is the case here, those responses are overwhelmingly negative.  ROFF is a community in a truer sense of the word than are most of the cities, towns, and villages in which most of us live.  One of the things which makes this a true community is that the residents, by common if tacit consent, watch out for one another.  This is by and large true despite the vigor with which we sometimes attack one another’s sacred cows.  I am confident that most of the regulars here would warn other members of the community about actual or potential problems with any commercial product regardless of who produces that product.  That one particular purveyor of fly fishing related products chooses to use this forum as his personal marketing outlet should not , and does not, exempt him from the same scrutiny and criticism which any other manufacturer is subject to.  And if his products and his character bring out in public reviews which hurt his business well, what can one say but Tough Shit?!

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Was it Gatlinburg in mid-July, had you just it town and your throat was dry, and did think you’d stop and have yourself a brew?

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Right on John. I first went there in 1931 at age 6. A straw mattress and kerosene lamp. Jack in Nashville.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself or if they truly are the low end of the market. With the defensive, insulting, condescending, aloof and generally surly attitude you take, your business is doomed to fail. If I bought something off of you and decided to return it, and you sent me a nasty-gram along with my refund check, you would regret it for the rest of your business life. Tom.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

______ You’re full of it, insect brain.  Along with the other turkeys in Roff just like you. Mr.G.

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out. —-snip—-

Gatlinburg! A place I remember with wood sidewalks where I bought one of the finest pair of moccasins I ever owned, real sqaw chewed Cherokee mocs. On the Illinois plains I could fly with them but in rocky terrain were less than ideal. That was 50yrs ago, before all the super interstates and a trip there from Dwight Ill. was an occasion and adventure. Most folks of the area went to Wisconsin or Michigan for pike or musky not to Tenn. for trout. It’s now probably a huge city full of crap and corruption like most of the other places that were peacfull and friendly in my long ago youth.                                                         John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

  george, oh i mean gladys (yeah, right), i tried being tactful with your patient, i mean husband. and look where it got me. he comes on here and dumps shit on ANYONE who says ANYTHING that isn’t totally in agreement with his delusions about his rods. the guy is unstable, megalomaniacal,egocentric and a pathalogical liar. i fear for your safety "gladys". if he hasn’t sucked you into his Frostcukoo land beyond all hopes of escape, then RUN Gladys RUN before it’s too late.       bob smith, former weel wisher till i got slammed for trying to tell GG the truth. Before you buy.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

_______  You don’t know what you’re missing.   Gladys Gehrke

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I live in Boise and was wondering if there are any clubs or whatever to get me started in fly fishing.  I have fly fished  twice so I do not want to hinder/go with Pros.  Need a start as to where to go (spots), what equipment to get and so on.  Any help would be appreciated. Jeff

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Hi Jeff, I don’t live in Idaho but have been a member of the Long Island(NY) Chapter of Trout Unlimited for 10 years & I have learned how to fish but more importantly I have learned about conservation .I did a search at  WWW.TU.ORG & found a chapter in Boise You can give their president a call & find out when they meet. Good Luck Sol Harz       Ted Trueblood Chapter — Andy Brunelle – President       PO Box 1971       Boise ID 83702       208-343-1510 (h)       www.idfishnhunt.com/tutedt.htm

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whatever to get me started in fly fishing.  

Go to www.fedflyfishers.org to hook up with their closest fly fishing club.I am sure they have one in Boise.Our local club has rod making classes, fly tying classes,casting lessons, monthly outings etc.Go on one of their outings and play with their toys.Most flyfishers have some toys for sale so they can upgrade.Also most clubs have an a club auction at least once a year for fundraising which is another place to get equipment at very reasonable cost.Have fun! Big Dale

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Jeff, Talk to John at Angler’s Fly Shop.  He has some great beginners classes in both fly fishing and fly tying.  He is also very willing to help a person new to the sport get started.  There are some great spots near Boise, I live in Meridian. Once the Boise River drops for Fall and Winter there are some great spots close to home.  You can also attend the Boise Valley Fly Fishermen or Fly Fishermen of Idaho, I’m not sure of their meeting times or anything else.  But, it takes a while to get to know the people there.  I went a few years ago to the BVFF and not a single person talked to me.  Let me know how things go, I can give you some of my spots for Fall and Winter.   Tight Lines, Clint

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Best way to learn and get involved is to come to the next joint meeting of the Ted Trueblood Chapter of Trout Unlimited and the Boise Valley Fly Fishermen. We  will continue our joint member meetings at 600 N. Curtis (Odd Fellows Hall),  across from West Junior High School.  Fly tying begins at 6:30 p.m., and the  meeting at 7:30 p.m. SEPTEMBER 14 MEETING PROGRAM by Rick Prange         Monte McClendon is going to do a program on two conservation projects that BVFF  and Trout Unlimited has been involved with.  He will be giving us an update on  the excellent stream recovery that has occurred at Long Tom Creek since we  first built fence there in 1996.  We followed up with a willow plant in 1997.  Over the last several seasons, Monte has been monitoring the riparian  vegetation restoration and has some slides that vividly show how the  stream/trout habitat has improved.  Regional IDFG Fishery Manager, Dale Allen,  will also provide results of electrofishing Long Tom Creek for trout in the  project area.  Blackstone Reservoir is the second project that Monte and Dale  will be discussing with us.  Blackstone has been stocked by IDFG with 5,000  6-inch sterile rainbow trout to help establish a potential quality fishery.  Dale has recommended that limited harvest/gear restrictions at Blackstone be  approved by the IDFG Commission for the next 2-year fishing regulation period.  We have a club project/outing scheduled at Blackstone in early October.  Monte  will be filling us in on that.  Fly tying demos start at 6:30.

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

Whassat? Hey, Walt, Did you get Marie an AOL account? — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC Nine words never seen on a tombstone: " I wish I’d spent more time at the office."                                                                 …author unknown

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works! Whassat?

That’s a post from someone who doesn’t know ezflyfishing’s URL. – Mu

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spam magnet B D Hatten wrote with lots of heart, almost a whine: heart felt and male bonding "I love you MAN! can  have your BUD,"shit snipped There is a key on your keyboard usually called "DELETE". You did get one with your computer? Whiners on my screen usually get this key. Saves lots of energy and frustration following circular threads. Who said anything about liking ya? Tolerate maybe! Speaking of Kisses! February 14, Yes, the perfume and pubic hair hatch! I’ll be buried in about to my ears! ‘Hafta try my new goretex wader on. Yes, it would be nice to seem some newer bugs that the ones I’m use to seeing in my own. Hope their not ugly, the wild ones just love those pretty ones. Bug address went on the side. Hairy Trout One happy camper shaving his palms tonight!

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Right the Rod company has moved, however Press Powell has a Fly Fishing Shop in Chico where the old rod company was. I was there over Thanksgiving and chatted with Press for a couple of days as he was putting things back together from moving the shop. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H. Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will." The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce

Gentlemen, may I suggest you check where Croweley plagiarized that phrase.

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And so it goes, that one must endure the ‘pulp’- to get at the seeds. I am relatively new here.  I’ve  had my run ins w/ Mr. G.  and I got over it.  And he got over it.  If you can’t get over it-  you need to get a life and NOT READ ON. (Thanks) This is my plan-  YOU BASTARDS are gonna do the right thing. Yer gonna hit this thread and yer gonna say "come back where you belong G.  We miss you". …We miss spitting yer way,  we miss throwing rocks at you.  We miss your stupid drivelings about yer overbloated, over hyped, over rated product line,  and we miss turning off the computer w/ contempt for your capitalist PIG tendencies,  but most of all-  we miss the many and multi faceted jewels you unselfishly share w/ us. I don’t care who you are, or how cool you think you are and think he isn’t;  (or for that matter,  what you think you think of me.)  George belongs here.  That is the plain truth.  Put me on your kill list if you disagree-  I don’t give a shit.  But I will say you are making a huge mistake.  And that,  of course is your right. (even if its wrong) ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" That does NOT mean I embrace shotgun spamming- and/ or random useless postings.  But clearly-  G  does not do that.  He is here w/ more intent than "just"  any one thing. He is good for us.  We are good for him.  Let us all benefit in kind. (Besides who ever that Aaron person attempting to mimic him is making me sick.) You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing. I thank you for your cooperation-  and your intent.             Doldrums nourish no bees,-  produce no honey.                                    Bruce Douglas Hatten Post:  you write stupid moronic bullshit in MY  thread and we will have a serious problem.  Lets not ok?  Just pass me by- please… Thanks fer that;  really.

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<snip ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten

Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

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You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing.

How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! "

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

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<snip ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing. How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

Another clever boy-  I’m impressed.  And you have posted what of any significance lately?  I am not a fan bud, but you know  I’m bright enough to see…  You have reading problems aside from the obvious lack of understandings?   enjoy the darkness friend-

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

at the rate that BD Hatten is going it won’t be long before he might be the new t-bone. I’ll watch from a distance. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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<< ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce Bruce, that was priceless.  LOL.   DUH!   Dave LaCourse

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. LOL.  And yet another phrase is born.  Thanks Charlie. Dave LaCourse

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Come on back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing.

I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce

You have got to do something about your image here. Might be the beer? Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12. I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me. — Doug Knight                           metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Come on back! Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net

You get a gold fucking star and a big fat "THANK YOU!"  from me bud. No bullsit.  If you werent so dawg ass ugly I’d kiss ya smack on the mouth.   Snap man, G is a resource people-  only ugly fucking americans piss away their resources so blindly… Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce  

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce You have got to do something about your image here.

Image is nada to me-  I could giva shit. Might be the beer?

Count on it. (And the unexpected, occasionally no doubt.) Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s.

4 4 packs to just get rolling. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome.

Old Mill/mud aint exactly sweet-  if I were a rich man I’d suck the Grouses down like there’s no tomorrow..  thanks fer the sip bro- I needed that. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12.

(I likes the blue ones a lots better.  heh heh  ie Val. I am I am…) E-mail me an address.  I build bugs.  You sure you want Stimulators? I can do better than that.  No jive-  send a po box # er what ever… I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs.

Indeed.   You speak the truth.  You have my vote Doug. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me.

Spam Maggots are us-  Just send an e-mail and you’ll see!  arf arf. Funny you say that-  I have a huge Pink Floyd poster over my tying desk and upon it is inscribed (by yers truly of  course)  "Flies are Us-  {don’t mind the maggots}"   A sick ref to the Rolling Stones. This header was obviously a bad idea.  I feel sorry fer that.  G is a good man.  G has treated myself w/ dignity and undertsanding-  even where either of us might have been at  fault.  He ought (yes in strict Kantian style) to be appreciated for who he is.  Not what mind you, but who.   I could go on and on about sissy fucking whiners-  People who post pure shit and people who post nothing a’tall.  I am vocal.  I say considerably too much more often than not.  I guess G’s the same  in a lot of ways.  But his intent is what counts.  I wish him only perfection on the rod line-  as that is not just what he seeks, but what he deserves.   I have goods to sell also and my approach is utterly different-  (not better,  not worse)  but he and I are the same too-  in that we want our patron’s expectations to be realized. You aint gotta love the maker fer his product.  You gotta love the product.  The ‘maker’ is just another one of us…                               Brain Salad Surgery Making Itself Clear,                                                        Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doug Knight                           metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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We’re going to be on the North Carolina Outer Banks in January and I’m wondering if I should take my 8 & 9 weight rods and try for Blues in the surf. Any tips or opinions on equipment, patterns and technique would be much appreciated. Thanks and Happy Holidays!

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We’re going to be on the North Carolina Outer Banks in January and I’m wondering if I should take my 8 & 9 weight rods and try for Blues in the surf. Any tips or opinions on equipment, patterns and technique would be much appreciated. Thanks and Happy Holidays!

        by all means, take your mess, and just check the local phone books.  you will find a friendly tar heel willing to advise or guide anywhere up or down the coast.  and, if you *really* use your head, you’ll forget the fishing, and grab a seaside cottage where you and your darllin’ can hole up with your favorite poison for a week or so of fun and games in the eastern half of the prettiest place on earth.         wayno the geocentric. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Does anyone have any information on the actual fishing conditions (hatch, water temp. water level…) for the rivers in the northern part of New York state (Chateauguay, Salmon Marbel, Ausable, Saranac, Chasy…..). Or better phone numbers where I could get these information on a daily basis.

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Does anyone have any information on the actual fishing conditions (hatch, water temp. water level…) for the rivers in the northern part of New York state (Chateauguay, Salmon Marbel, Ausable, Saranac, Chasy…..). Or better phone numbers where I could get these information on a daily basis.

Check out Francis Betters’ site… I think it’s called the Adirondack Fisherman, or something like that.  Do a search with his name and fly fishing.  I believe he posts a hatch report for the Ausable, and will give really up-to-date info by phone. Bob Scott

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In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980414223331.5121C- writes The cost is $36 bucks

A simple but effective, and adjustable, strap can be made from a strip of suitable material and some Velcro.  This will cost a lot less that $36. Just a few pence in our money (U.K.)  The strap is not vital for novice casters, who should learn the basics of casting without a strap. However some older, arthritic, or otherwise weak-wristed person will gain some benefit from the use of a strap. I apologise for entering the thread so late in the day, because some of the above has already been suggested. Regards from Wales — Bill

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Has anyone one used a product called ‘Easy Cast’? It’s a type of wrist band that wraps around the base of the fly rod and your wrist. The add claims "Casts will feel 50% lighter and 100% more comfortable and be more effective." The cost is $36 bucks (at least in the catalog I’ve seen them in). If anything, it looks like it’s make an expensive ’sissy strap’, but then again, if it does what it claims… Thanks in advanced!

Hi Robert, This sounds al lot like the "Wrist Lock" that Joan and Lee Wulff sold for years.  From time to time I use one in my schools for people who have extreme problems with their wrist.  They usually have no idea how much wrist movement they’re using. You can also wear a long sleeve shirt and tuck the butt of the rod into your sleeve to accomplish the same thing.  This limits the amount of movement your wrist can make and brings it to your attention.   It is a poor substitute for good technique and not a permanent or a good solution.   After a student sees how much he was using his wrist and and feels how much easier it is to cast by limiting their wrist movement, they can take it off and do as well without it.   If you rely on it to make your casting better, it will help in the short term, but you’ll soon compensate for it and your wrist problems will get worse instead of better.   The only way it can make the rod feel lighter is by making you use your forearm instead of so much wrist.  Less pressure on your wrist would make the rod feel lighter.  Better technique accomplishes the same thing.  If you leave your crutch behind, your fishing is ruined.  If you learn how to cast efficiently you don’t need it, plus you always know where your arm is (hard to lose).                        Hope this helps,                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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These wrist bands have been around for years. I first saw one in 1968. All they do is prevent you from moving your wrist while casting. This is an absolute necessity for the beginning caster. When you bend your wrist the rod tip goes in a circle. the line follows creating a wide loop or even hitting the ground in back and in front of you. Preventing the circular wrist motion avoids these beginners problems. Any strap that holds the rod butt against your forearm will provide the benefits claimed by the product. However,  36 bucks seems a little high when a piece of tape will accomplish the same thing. Two Points: 1) It would be better to learn how to cast correctly without the use of a crutch. Try strapping the rod butt to your forearm just to see how it improves your casting and then produce the same results without the crutch. 2) One advanced distance casting technique is to apply a greater amount of line speed by bending the wrist at the appropriate time late in the cast. This cannot be accomplished if you are dependent on a strap to keep you from bending the wrist at the wrong time. There really is only one way to learn how to cast well. It’s called Practice, Practice, and more Practice. Good Luck, — William Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone one used a product called ‘Easy Cast’? It’s a type of wrist band that wraps around the base of the fly rod and your wrist. The add claims "Casts will feel 50% lighter and 100% more comfortable and be more effective." The cost is $36 bucks (at least in the catalog I’ve seen them in). If anything, it looks like it’s make an expensive ’sissy strap’, but then again, if it does what it claims… Thanks in advanced! -Robert | Robert Cid | | Department of Applied Science | University of California, Davis | -!Andale Aggies!- |

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This is one of those things that has been around for years.  It falls in the category with all of the other little gadgets that people buy.  If you buy one I have some swamp land I would like to talk to you about buying. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone one used a product called ‘Easy Cast’? It’s a type of wrist band that wraps around the base of the fly rod and your wrist. The add claims "Casts will feel 50% lighter and 100% more comfortable and be more effective." The cost is $36 bucks (at least in the catalog I’ve seen them in). If anything, it looks like it’s make an expensive ’sissy strap’, but then again, if it does what it claims… Thanks in advanced! -Robert | Robert Cid | | Department of Applied Science | University of California, Davis | -!Andale Aggies!- |

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Has anyone one used a product called ‘Easy Cast’? It’s a type of wrist band that wraps around the base of the fly rod and your wrist. The add claims "Casts will feel 50% lighter and 100% more comfortable and be more effective." The cost is $36 bucks (at least in the catalog I’ve seen them in). If anything, it looks like it’s make an expensive ’sissy strap’, but then again, if it does what it claims… Thanks in advanced! -Robert | Robert Cid | | Department of Applied Science | University of California, Davis | -!Andale Aggies!- |

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You can get much the same effect by wearing an elasticated wrist band and hooking it over the end of the rod handle. If nothing else, it’s worth trying first as it is MUCH cheaper! — Regards Peter Kay (Remove "nospam" to email)

: :Has anyone one used a product called ‘Easy Cast’? It’s a type of wrist :band that wraps around the base of the fly rod and your wrist. The add :claims "Casts will feel 50% lighter and 100% more comfortable and be more :effective." The cost is $36 bucks (at least in the catalog I’ve seen them :in). If anything, it looks like it’s make an expensive ’sissy strap’, but :then again, if it does what it claims… : :Thanks in advanced! : :-Robert : Robert Cid Department of Applied Science University of California, Davis -!Andale Aggies!- : :

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On the stream: * What is your normal procedure once you hit the stream? * How long does it take you to get a fly on the water? (ignoring the amount   of time you take to study the water) Leaders: * Do you usually store a leader on your reel with the line? * With knotless leaders, is the the tippet considered part of the leader?   (I presume that it is but have never seen it stated.) * If so, (or with finished knotted leaders) how many flies will you   change (how many inches of tippet clipped) before you add more tippet? Casting: * When is the "proper" time to let line out when false casting (to extend   the line to the distance you wish to cast to)?  I do it instinctively now   but none of the books I’ve read, nor the few videos I’ve watched, have   brought up the subject at all.   _Rich_

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Good questions. I generally hike into the stream wiht my rod assebeled but not strung. Streamside, this forces me to go slow and take some time to watch the water.  My rod/reel choice is often dictated by the wind conditions. Once, I determine what fly to fish, I’ll string the rod, replace the tippet (I use Braided Leaders), tie on a start.  My braided leaders generally stay on the reel. The process takes about 10 minutes if I go slowly enough. My tippets for dry fly action is generally 5x 30" to 36" long, 24" of 5x for wets,  and 18" of 4 or 3x for streamers.  I get good turnover with these legnths on Orvis braided 5x or 6x leaders of 9 or 12 ft. I’ll fish a tippet down to about half of the original legnth if I can get the drift I need. What’s proper is probably what works.  I feed line for an initial cast on both the backcast and forward false casts, hopefully leaving enough line to shoot if I’m fishing more than 40 feet away. I’m looking forward to other responses. jg

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On the stream: * What is your normal procedure once you hit the stream? * How long does it take you to get a fly on the water? (ignoring the amount   of time you take to study the water)

My procedure depends somewhat on the type of water.  For Spring Creeks / Mountain Streams (my favorite) I will string up at the car and then take my time hiking to the stream when I am within 50 yards or so.  As a rule I try never to step in the water if at all possible and move as silently in the shadows as possible.  Wild Trout require this stealth.  If there are few trees or other cover, then I will crawl.  Once at the water, I almost always look for opportunities before casting.  Exceptions would be when I know that I will be fishing blind with nymphs/streamers or when the water is extremely off color. Leaders: * Do you usually store a leader on your reel with the line?  

I generally roll the leader/tippet right around the reel in as large a loop as possible.  I’ve tried leader wallets, etc.  and I think they’re too much hassle.  I tend to hit at least a bass impoundment 3 to 4 times per week and like to whip out the old 7 wt quickly and not have to unravel my leader.  Also, if you’re fishing for bass/saltwater species etc., then you’ll be using 2x-0x leaders/tippet and it takes punishment really well.  Smaller leader requires more care.  I do cover up to protect from sunlight with a neoprene cover. * With knotless leaders, is the the tippet considered part of the leader?  Yes.  The latter 2 ft or so is the tippet. * If so, (or with finished knotted leaders) how many flies will you   change (how many inches of tippet clipped) before you add more tippet?

I will add more tippet material after about 18 in (of 24 in) is used up.  This is really loose though.  If the quarry is not leader shy…then I’ll wait longer.  If you wait too long to add the proper tippet, however, then you won’t match up well with the leader material and the fly won’t turn over smoothly.   Casting: * When is the "proper" time to let line out when false casting (to extend   the line to the distance you wish to cast to)?  I do it instinctively now   but none of the books I’ve read, nor the few videos I’ve watched, have   brought up the subject at all.

If false casting is REALLY required then get the line out any way you feel comfortable with.  Forward or backward both is my preference, but I prefer shooting forward. K – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Is there a fly fishing mail list?? — Bob Bowdey La Mer Majik http://www.wizard.net/~majik Will Rogers never met a lawyer!

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Is there a fly fishing mail list?? — Bob Bowdey La Mer Majik http://www.wizard.net/~majik Will Rogers never met a lawyer!

– Brad "Country" Hancock LT                 USN Don’t squat with your spurs on!

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

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If you are going out tothe deerfield you better find out how the water level is water has been running real high this year makes for real hard fishing.

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

From all reports that I’ve heard, the Deerfield is basically not even fishable yet, due to high fast water conditions. — David T. Blizard CGI Animator Post Perfect inc. 220E 42nd St New York NY 10017 (W) 212 972 3400 X5394 http://www.users.interport.net/~daveb "Pork, the other white meat!"

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Claude

I am going to the deerfield also this weekend. I lived in a little town called Sunderland which, is a couple of miles from south deerfield (where Yankee Candle is). I fished quite a bit there from the route 91 bridge downstream for a couple miles. The water is a little slower moving but, you can find some great runs. Try right at the rt 91 bridge. There are a few likely spots. Hopefully the water will be down this weekend. I was there a couple of weeks ago and it was chocolate milk ! good luck.

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